"How is this possible? Gamespot reports that 'Oblivion will make extensive use of the PS3's hard drive by caching multiple gigabytes of data, which seemed to help with load times from what we saw.'"
Ummm... Why the hell would I want to load up my Hard Drive with install data? They are compensating for Blu-Ray having poor read speeds.
I haven't tried that, but I would imagine the difference in polys alone would still be noticeable.
It just isn't. If you have the capability of using a PS3 or a 360 on a 480i system, try it.
The difference in polys, textures, lighting, etc.. should all still be apparent to a degree even at lower resolutions.
They get blurred and obscured. Progressive scan can clean up a lot of that, but we're talking 480i SD-TV and and the truth of the matter is the extra detail is lost.
No, go rent (or buy) Ninja Gaiden Black and hook your Xbox up with component cables. Game looks as good or better than any next gen game i've seen (I haven't seen gears in action yet:P)
Or RE-Make (Resident Evil 1) or RE4 for Gamecube (With component cables of course). I agree with the 'next gen' statement. With the Exception of Gears of War, none of these 'Next Gen games' couldn't be accomplished (maybe not exact, but for the most part) on current gen (including Resistance). Personally I think it's temporary however and we're just in a state of transition. In about 2 years every game will have 'The next-gen sparkle' but for now, Gears of War Sits alone....
If you don't have an HDTV there really is no benefit to buying BR over DVD.
Then why would these people be early adopters of the PS3? I do agree with your statement however, and I'll go you one further.
"If you don't have an HDTV there really is no benefit (Graphically) to buying a PS3 (or a 360) over an Original X-Box."
Try it sometime. Take a game like Call of Duty 3 (which is on pretty much everything) and run it on a PS3 in 480i with the low-def composite cables it came with. Now run the Call of Duty 3 for the original X-box (you could get for $100) in 480i and see how that looks.
Can someone please name ONE game that the Wii has that is worth playing?
Just one? Rayman Raving Rabbits, WiiSports (it even comes with it), WarioWare, ExciteTruck (it's fun and better with an all Offspring custom soundtrack.) Madden is hella fun as well. The motion controls really add to it. Also if it tickles your fancy there are around 50 VC games available (including Zelda: a Link to the Past, Contra III, Gunstar Heroes, Mario Kart 64...).
I just don't see why the Wii is any better than the gamecube.
I have been trying to postulate that the average consumer is not in the position that you are.
To that I'll agree.
I believe the PS3 will sell less because it will have fewer consumers looking for a game system at that price point.
To that I'll agree whole heartedly.
I'll agree with the average consumer isn't even in the market for the PS3, however I would like to add that those who can afford the PS3 are also buying in fewer numbers as it is a poor value.
Value is only a factor when two more more products are considered and then compared.
Exactly! If price was the issue then for the price of a Wii, A consumer could also (reasonably) be in the market to buy a core X-Box 360 for only $50 more, OR they could buy the PS2, GameCube, Original X-Box, Nintendo DS, GBA or PSP. In fact for the price of the Wii, they could have a few of the afore mentioned.
So perceived Value is vitaly important.
In this instance, the consumer is likely (IMHO) barely willing to pay what the cheaper Xbox 360 is being offered at, and so the PS3 isn't even considered. Now, if we're talking about gamers who have saved up to buy the next big thing and have a grand to blow, they may consider the PS3. Then, and only then, they will compare the value of the two products.
I'm certain we are debating semantics now.
Probably. But let's flip the argument to the high end. Value is an issue since anyone considering buying a PS3 would naturally have enough money to buy any of the alternatives, and in this instance some (including myself) chose the 360 over the PS3 as it is a better value.
But, getting back to your statement, I would say that the average consumer has a lower price point than what the PS3 is being offered at, or their requirements are already being met by lower-priced products. Thus, value isn't even a factor yet.
Value IS an issue. The fact that "their requirements are already being met by lower-priced products" means the "lower priced products" are (to the average consumer) a better value.
I don't think features has anything to do with it, except that consumers aren't looking for features or even good value, they are looking for a low priced item that meets their minimum requirements.
I disagree. Consumers are looking for a Good value. Unfortunately the PS3 isn't one. It does not do enough of value to the average consumer to justify spending $600.
If high price and over-featured are the causes of falling PS3 sales, can we predict a similar result for Apple's iPhone?
If all users bought phones like me then yes. The iPhone wouldn't make back the R&D costs. I want a phone that has a battery for a week of talk time on a charge, and be useable around the world. I couldn't care less if it takes pictures or plays music I have better devices for that. I want a phone to be "the ultimate phone" not a "multimedia convergence device". However I'm probably in the minority. People seem to be buying phones based on color these days...
Actually, selling the PS3s hurts the bottom line less than not selling them, since they are already producing them.
WTF? How does that make any sence? Not selling them hurts more as it is a TOTAL loss rather than a PARTIAL loss. Keep in mind the reason they sell it at a loss to begin with is to encourage adoption, as it is a gateway to their other products and services. The PS3 is not the product. The product is everything else that goes with it (games, movies, controllers, cables, etc...) and they have a considerably higher markup.
Maybe it's a distribution problem then. Maybe some regions have a glut, and other are just over stocked.
NorthEast PA has plenty. I can go into several EB / Gamestops, Targets, Wal-marts... you name it they have it, at least a few of each model. They've been in stock and readily available since the week before Christmas.
actually, no..it can't. this feature was taken out shortly before release
Yes it can play movies. It cannot play DVD's , but it can play motion Jpeg (a Quicktime format) which I have used (My Nikon CoolPix records in that format) in the Photo Channel.
Barring one of the above three purposes, the PS3 is a horrible deal.
Exactly. I put the PS3's worth at around $300 USD. That's the going rate of a first Gen HD-DVD player, which is what the PS3 is (a first gen Blu-Ray player). If they charge $300 and throw in a movie worth watching in HD (Taladega Nights doesn't count. I mean a movie that is sold on it's visual appeal) they might have another sale.
And the 'core system' can have a Hard drive snapped into it; takes about as much time as changing the battery pack on the 360 controller (seconds). Since the drive is trivially replaceable, it's no big deal to swap disks, or to offer a bigger replacement drive.
I understand how quick it is to replace the HDD on the 360, however I don't want to do it for a larger drive. I have plenty of space on my Home pc and would rather a solution that lets me utilize the vacant space there.
It was my impression that the Xbox 360 Media Download Center was only for media I already had on my PC that is in the approved formats. Does it allow me to say 'Rent a movie' from Live marketplace, store it on my computer and stream it from there when I want to watch it? or download a game demo and store it there? (The functionality of having it natively on the x-box hard drive.)
Simplicity at it's finest. "120 GB is ridiculously big! Why do you need it?" HD shows which you can now download are peaking over 4GB each for 30-45min. Now that you can download HD content right to your box AND use your xbox as a soon to be DVR you will be filling up that XBOX's meager HD in no time.
Ok, I will admit that once you add in HD video that free space magically disappears off the Drive. Hell Superman Returns is 7 gigs by itself in 720p. My Issue though is that for most things the 20 gig HDD is more than enough space. However, for those who do need more space why not throw a bone to the 360 owners (Even Core System owners) and let us stream it from our PC?
If MS added a free download that lets a user's home PC (XP, or Vista) work as a NAS (even if it required the Windows Genuine Annoyance check) many users (including myself) would applaud them. It would allow me to increase my available capacity at no extra charge.
No fucking way I'm going to pay for a game when you shitcan the developer so fast. I'm about halfway through the game now, and it's worth the money hands down, but no, Capcom can go blow themselves now for all I care.
I would gladly buy this game if I didn't have to also buy a 500 bucks console for the privilege, but alas...
Actually it isn't in their store yet either, so it's a moot point. I just figured I'd mention how the store is set up currently (they have a handful of games up Crash being most noteable), and how it fails at life.
I also can't use that PS1 hack since my firmware is too new. I guess I'll just have to go back and finish Portrait of Ruin for the time being:-)
Good Call, Good call. Also if you get the itch and haven't played through the GBA games they are extremely good as well.
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Ummm... Why the hell would I want to load up my Hard Drive with install data? They are compensating for Blu-Ray having poor read speeds.
Same. Also, was I the only one to get a 'Ghostbuster's vibe' from using the gravity gun?
It just isn't. If you have the capability of using a PS3 or a 360 on a 480i system, try it.
The difference in polys, textures, lighting, etc.. should all still be apparent to a degree even at lower resolutions.
They get blurred and obscured. Progressive scan can clean up a lot of that, but we're talking 480i SD-TV and and the truth of the matter is the extra detail is lost.
Or RE-Make (Resident Evil 1) or RE4 for Gamecube (With component cables of course). I agree with the 'next gen' statement. With the Exception of Gears of War, none of these 'Next Gen games' couldn't be accomplished (maybe not exact, but for the most part) on current gen (including Resistance). Personally I think it's temporary however and we're just in a state of transition. In about 2 years every game will have 'The next-gen sparkle' but for now, Gears of War Sits alone....
Then why would these people be early adopters of the PS3? I do agree with your statement however, and I'll go you one further.
"If you don't have an HDTV there really is no benefit (Graphically) to buying a PS3 (or a 360) over an Original X-Box."
Try it sometime. Take a game like Call of Duty 3 (which is on pretty much everything) and run it on a PS3 in 480i with the low-def composite cables it came with. Now run the Call of Duty 3 for the original X-box (you could get for $100) in 480i and see how that looks.
Just one? Rayman Raving Rabbits, WiiSports (it even comes with it), WarioWare, ExciteTruck (it's fun and better with an all Offspring custom soundtrack.) Madden is hella fun as well. The motion controls really add to it. Also if it tickles your fancy there are around 50 VC games available (including Zelda: a Link to the Past, Contra III, Gunstar Heroes, Mario Kart 64...).
I just don't see why the Wii is any better than the gamecube.
Um... Have you tried a Wii?
That still seems low. If the player's already there, why wouldn't you want to pick up a at least few Blu-Ray disks? Even as a novelty.
the US PS3 came with a free copy of Talladega Nights.
Ah, that explains it.
To that I'll agree.
I believe the PS3 will sell less because it will have fewer consumers looking for a game system at that price point.
To that I'll agree whole heartedly.
I'll agree with the average consumer isn't even in the market for the PS3, however I would like to add that those who can afford the PS3 are also buying in fewer numbers as it is a poor value.
Exactly! If price was the issue then for the price of a Wii, A consumer could also (reasonably) be in the market to buy a core X-Box 360 for only $50 more, OR they could buy the PS2, GameCube, Original X-Box, Nintendo DS, GBA or PSP. In fact for the price of the Wii, they could have a few of the afore mentioned.
So perceived Value is vitaly important.
In this instance, the consumer is likely (IMHO) barely willing to pay what the cheaper Xbox 360 is being offered at, and so the PS3 isn't even considered. Now, if we're talking about gamers who have saved up to buy the next big thing and have a grand to blow, they may consider the PS3. Then, and only then, they will compare the value of the two products.
I'm certain we are debating semantics now.
Probably. But let's flip the argument to the high end. Value is an issue since anyone considering buying a PS3 would naturally have enough money to buy any of the alternatives, and in this instance some (including myself) chose the 360 over the PS3 as it is a better value.
Value IS an issue. The fact that "their requirements are already being met by lower-priced products" means the "lower priced products" are (to the average consumer) a better value.
Nope. I'll take the additional System RAM, and the faster read speed of the DVD drive over the Blu-Ray and HDMI out for the same money.
Where most of us just wouldn't buy a $600 console (or a $500 one for that matter).
That's a free second controller and a game....
Damn, you sound like my mom. A sale doesn't mean you save any money, it simply means you can (and will) buy more...
I disagree. Consumers are looking for a Good value. Unfortunately the PS3 isn't one. It does not do enough of value to the average consumer to justify spending $600.
If all users bought phones like me then yes. The iPhone wouldn't make back the R&D costs. I want a phone that has a battery for a week of talk time on a charge, and be useable around the world. I couldn't care less if it takes pictures or plays music I have better devices for that. I want a phone to be "the ultimate phone" not a "multimedia convergence device". However I'm probably in the minority. People seem to be buying phones based on color these days...
WTF? How does that make any sence? Not selling them hurts more as it is a TOTAL loss rather than a PARTIAL loss. Keep in mind the reason they sell it at a loss to begin with is to encourage adoption, as it is a gateway to their other products and services. The PS3 is not the product. The product is everything else that goes with it (games, movies, controllers, cables, etc...) and they have a considerably higher markup.
NorthEast PA has plenty. I can go into several EB / Gamestops, Targets, Wal-marts... you name it they have it, at least a few of each model. They've been in stock and readily available since the week before Christmas.
Yes it can play movies. It cannot play DVD's , but it can play motion Jpeg (a Quicktime format) which I have used (My Nikon CoolPix records in that format) in the Photo Channel.
Exactly. I put the PS3's worth at around $300 USD. That's the going rate of a first Gen HD-DVD player, which is what the PS3 is (a first gen Blu-Ray player). If they charge $300 and throw in a movie worth watching in HD (Taladega Nights doesn't count. I mean a movie that is sold on it's visual appeal) they might have another sale.
Too late.
I understand how quick it is to replace the HDD on the 360, however I don't want to do it for a larger drive. I have plenty of space on my Home pc and would rather a solution that lets me utilize the vacant space there.
It was my impression that the Xbox 360 Media Download Center was only for media I already had on my PC that is in the approved formats. Does it allow me to say 'Rent a movie' from Live marketplace, store it on my computer and stream it from there when I want to watch it? or download a game demo and store it there? (The functionality of having it natively on the x-box hard drive.)
Ok, I will admit that once you add in HD video that free space magically disappears off the Drive. Hell Superman Returns is 7 gigs by itself in 720p. My Issue though is that for most things the 20 gig HDD is more than enough space. However, for those who do need more space why not throw a bone to the 360 owners (Even Core System owners) and let us stream it from our PC?
If MS added a free download that lets a user's home PC (XP, or Vista) work as a NAS (even if it required the Windows Genuine Annoyance check) many users (including myself) would applaud them. It would allow me to increase my available capacity at no extra charge.
The files are DRM'ed anyway, so why not?
Are you borrowing it?
Kinda gives you a warm fuzzy feeling deep down when they get their ass handed to them doesn't it?
Actually it isn't in their store yet either, so it's a moot point. I just figured I'd mention how the store is set up currently (they have a handful of games up Crash being most noteable), and how it fails at life.
I also can't use that PS1 hack since my firmware is too new. I guess I'll just have to go back and finish Portrait of Ruin for the time being :-)
Good Call, Good call. Also if you get the itch and haven't played through the GBA games they are extremely good as well.
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