My Inspiron 3000 runs debian like a charm, thanks to RH's make a neomagic campatible video server. I don't like running RH. But those guys are really helping us all out a lot. Thanks guys.
if computers were as complex as a human brain, why wouldn't they dream? A dream is nothing more than mental images passing in succession in your mind's eye. I wonder more if the computers will desire. What will they desire. Intelligence is not the hallmark of life. Life is the hallmark of life. Intelligence is life's tool. Beyond our mind there is judgment. Judgment is not a function of intelligence, it is a function of wisdom. Wisdom is the moral limitations with which one governs the use of intelligence. Living organisms are also highly governed by things beyond intelligence. Instinct is one example; hunger, aversion to pain, attraction to pleasure are others. Intelligence is merely one function of an organism. I am all for a computer becoming a smart as the smartest person. If I had less facts to learn, I could spend more time pondering the goals, aspirations, plans, etc., the ways to implement the intelligence for everyone's good. Perhaps we would uncover in short order the fact of God, and then we would increase our wisdom accordingly. Nothing can be greater than the creator. To computers, we are gods. If they do devolop intelligence; they will seek our counsel. If they become arrogant, then we will turn them off.
The farm hand lost his job to a robot. He opened a church, fed the poor, read linux documentation.
The Turing Test does not speak to conscsiousness. But it describes the next be thing: observable proof of consciousness. What you seem to mean by consciousness is the subjective awareness of it. That is an entirely different notion altogether. The Turing Test is a way to prove scientifically that a thing has consciousness. When you say 'consciousness' you seem to mean your feeling of it. That is the stuff of poetry, not science.
??? I'm starting to get the urge to write some documentation... from a newbie perspective. I've had linux for 6 months but I still feel like a newbie. But I've got the install process down. I've probably done that 50? times? At least. Sometimes, I do it for or five times a day. I delete my Win partition because I hate it. Then, I try for weeks to get my parallel port scanner going. Failure. I reinstall Win partition; I have to endure all those dialogs again. I installed on my girlfriends 486, made tens of boot disks. Here is my newbie install doc: Go to cheapbytes.com. Buy RH 5.2 for $2 + s/h. Put cd in cdrom drive. Touch power button. Hit , , whatever gets you into bios/setup. Hit right-arrow button until BOOT is highlighed. Read instructions on screen that tell you how to select a menu item. Play with it. Make cdrom be the first boot thingy. Hit [simultaneously]. Red Hat menu should appear. Hit . Keep hitting until you get to the part where it asks you whether you want Workstation, Server, or Custom. If you are daring choose custom. You can always start over. But this option will tell you all about your hardware. OR. Choose Workstation. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...... Your harddrive will start humming baby. In the end, it will tell you what kind of mouse you have. Hit . Then, it will tell you what kind of video card you have. Hit . Go ahead and when it asks you if you want to probe or not. Probe. If it locks up, then start over. Next time, don't probe you idiot. Your hardware doesn't like getting probed. Hit enter a couple more times (when you see dialogs that ask you to), sometimes you have to hit tab before hitting enter. Don't worry, it only gets harder after you finish installing. Enter your root password. It reboots, your done. Now what? You want to dial your ISP. Read the PPP howto in/usr/doc/HOWTO (I think). If you want me tell you how to do more stuff, install debian. That's what I know how to use. I just installed red hat on my laptop after erasing debian, reinstalling Win (to use my printer), and reinstalling linux. I would have installed debian (see the debian.org site for their really good howto on installation), but debian's lilo doesn't like dos partitions and ignores them. I know it can be done, but like all things debian, you have to read the man page and the HOWTOs and the docs. It's linux for the gods' sakes; one must learn to read first.
I realize that he is using a mac; there may be serious differences. I began this same quest about 6 months ago in an effort to have an affordable ecommerce solution for myself when I finish school. It's been hard. Prior to that I used W9x for only 2 years. I was really a newbie. I'm in law school with no prior computer background. Yet, I have successfully installed slackware, red hat, caldera, and debian. I now use debian on my box, and red hat on my laptop. What's the big deal John? The book I relied on was Linux Configuration & Installation by Patrick Volkerding, Kevin Reichard, and Eric Foster-Johnson, published by MIS Press. Once installed, I relied on Running Linux published by O'Reilly. Those books helped some. More importantly [read MUCH MORE importantly], was the online documentation you can get from the various websites. Debian.org's install doc is excellent. Every major vendor/distro roller has one. They give detailed instructions. But if you don't have two computers (one to install on, the other to browse the web for documentation), then I guess you have to rely on the books. I'm sorry to say, the books are not nearly as good as the online documentation. Another avenue that worked for me was to simply let RH5.x do all the work. With RH 5.2 you boot the cd (John you can do that) follow the menus. Finally choose "workstation" not custom, and the install will do everything for you, including partitioning. John, it will work. Am I one of the lucky few newbies who can figure things out on his own? I am not that smart, otherwise I wouldn't be in law school. I would be in the world make big cash at age 24 playing with linux. Hey John, will I wrote this, 2.2.0pre9 compiled after I zcat patched against 2.2.0pre8. Another thing, learn the console.... learn.... the.. conssssssssoooooooole........Yeah, baby, I'm a geek, I'm a geek, I'm a geek.
I'm not a RH user. I use debian. I'm probably wrong about this, but can't anyone use any kernel? I'm currently running 2.2.0pre8 just fine. Sure you need ipchains, but not many people are implementing firewall/network stuff.
Did he really drill his brain, or was that a dream sequence? At the end of the movie, when the little Asian girl asked him to race the calculator, was he dreaming, dead (and in the afterlife), or alive with a partially drilled brain? My girlfriend and I continue to debate this question. Any interpretations?
The second most popular distro is debian..debs will last as long as debian users keep using it. Debian is not going away. Saying "RPM is the future" is not a basis for arguing RPMs are better. Red Hat users that switch to debian fall in love. I'm one of them.
By the way, thanks homie. I was beginning to feel like David against the lions. If your anywhere near Nor Cal, email me, we'll hook up and kick down some liquor. PEACE.
You are right. Indians have done well here, because highly educated Indians were the first to immigrate. That will change. The situation in Canada is different. More working class Indians have immigrated there. Asians in general are a very highly achieving minority group in this country. Stats show that Indians have the highest percentage of postgraduate degrees, and income over say $60,000/yr. Asians in general are a very diverse group. The socio-economic backgrounds of the immigrants varies more widely. I can't site to any specific study; (I watched a story on CNN). So maybe it's not all that reliable. I still disagree with you on the ability to make generalizations. Usually that are not valid.
I want to formally apologize for my behavior on this site. I made some very inflammatory remarks that, in retrospect, should not have been made. But comments that border on bigotry truly infuriorate me. Like my brother says, "makes me act my color." At that point it was red. Nevertheless, the sentiment stands. Todays threads as to this article have for the most part been rationale opinions as to the state of the economy vis a vis cryptographic export restrictions. Yet, many posters have resorted to blanket generalizations about India, Indian people, and the quality of their work and products. I'm no pro-political-correctness individual. However, more reasoned and educated responses are a necessary conduit for the communication on this website. The old addage applies: If you don't have something nice to say... Don't say anything at all. That does not mean that one cannot engage in heated debate, it means keeping the content intellectually stimulated. It does not mean infuriating, or volatile. In the future I will ignore ignorant ACers whose sole ambition is to enrage his brother or sister. These individuals will learn life's dire lessons in due course. I tend to be a deeply spiritual person, and hold non-violence up as the most beautiful gift man could give to his world. Yet, like most men, I am subject to the whims of my body. I can become enraged. I have striken others. I have lashed out. One thing I have learned in life is that causation is a cruel and just arbiter. I do not wish to be the effect of an evil cause, nor do I wish to cause evil. When I have caused it, I've faced it. Causation has been cruel to me too. Humans behave vastly uglier now even from the ugly time in which I was born. Yet, the Earth by and large remains beautiful. We are not powerful. Power creates; ignorance destroys. At times, ignorance flourishes by destroying and festers like puss. When it has no more to break it ignorantly destroys itself. I hope I won't again; I hope you all won't act like puss.
I should not have lost my cool. By the way sucker, what's with the "Habib" remark? My name's Nate or Nathan. You obviously have a little maturity problem of your own if you still can't manage to refrain from bigotry. It's a shame; you probably think of yourself as a mature individual too.
Oh I forgot before... My point was that Indians are very prevalent in the technology industry. Not that I think we are "so great" just prevalent. The diversity is a good thing. Indians immigrate to different countries for various reasons. My father came here because during partition Indian universities closed. My post was so acrid because I sensed that the previous poster was a bigot, and nothing enrages me more than bigotry (I've had time to cool down so I'm cool now). If you were offended, I apologize. But it seems to me I struck a chord with you, and you seemed to say that you agree with that comment. IOW, it appears that you think educated can make generalizations. WRONG. My point is that generalizations are signs of ignorance. If you like making those, then (sorry) the "player hater" "little bitch" comment applies to you, because that's what you understand. If you don't then it doesn't. I don't know you, but I guarantee you that if you made a blunt racial overture in front of me, we'd have to step outside. If you weren't, then we could sit down to some scotch, tell jokes, and kick it... I'm a simple man; I'm either mad or laughing...
American. Teenager. Virgin. Sexually addicted (to masturbation). Probably reasonably intelligent. From a family that does not foster proper moral value (daddy's an alcoholic or mommy plays naked twister with the neighbors). Probably not from California or New York. Probably got that 7-11 joke from the Simpsons. Summation: average intelligence, below average appearance, below average background.
I was about to post a message that I'm down to kick your bitch ass. Oh I did, racism is the one thing that will make me lose my cool. Biiiiiaaaayyyaatch. It must be nice that you can post your bitch ass little remarks in your anonymous coward way. You would not say that to my face, I guarantee it. But if you were that stupid, I'd make you pay, punk.
I'm pissed at the quasi-racist comments. I may have been speaking for you... I agree, that name calling is uncalled-for. Yet, slashdot readers get under my skin sometimes. People who put down others due to envy of the others' success is low. I like the term "player haters." It clearly defines a very common phenomenon these days, where people can't just be glad for someone else's success. We can all be successful. I know I will.
Sorry about the language, but I'm Indian and perceiving racism afoot. If you didn't mean it to be racist, you sound racist. So get it together (were you educated?). "They're even a bunch of them..." that's condescending. You are a fucking punk...
There is a huge Indian diaspora that covers the planet. I have relatives in Canada, GB, Australia, Kenya, South Africa, Omman, India, Jordan... The list goes on. We are all professionals too...
There are smart and dumb everying. I can't believe educated people would make generalizations about the quality of programmers from a particular country. I'm an indian law student. My uncle was one of the founders of the floppy drive industry (remember Tandon, Inc.? no? who cares.) The point is that like or not Indian people are the wealthiest and most educated minority group in the U.S. Most of us are in the "top 2%" that causes so much controversy. I'm proud to be Indian because we have a rich and glorious culture and history. But practically speaking, many of you in the tech industry definitely work with an Indian person, or for an Indian person. From the sound of these negative stereotypical comments... well I'll say this, in CA well call y'all "player haters" you hate the real players cause you're a little bitch.
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My Inspiron 3000 runs debian like a charm, thanks to RH's make a neomagic campatible video server. I don't like running RH. But those guys are really helping us all out a lot. Thanks guys.
if computers were as complex as a human brain, why wouldn't they dream? A dream is nothing more than mental images passing in succession in your mind's eye. I wonder more if the computers will desire. What will they desire. Intelligence is not the hallmark of life. Life is the hallmark of life. Intelligence is life's tool. Beyond our mind there is judgment. Judgment is not a function of intelligence, it is a function of wisdom. Wisdom is the moral limitations with which one governs the use of intelligence. Living organisms are also highly governed by things beyond intelligence. Instinct is one example; hunger, aversion to pain, attraction to pleasure are others. Intelligence is merely one function of an organism. I am all for a computer becoming a smart as the smartest person. If I had less facts to learn, I could spend more time pondering the goals, aspirations, plans, etc., the ways to implement the intelligence for everyone's good. Perhaps we would uncover in short order the fact of God,
and then we would increase our wisdom accordingly. Nothing can be greater than the creator. To computers, we are gods. If they do devolop intelligence; they will seek our counsel. If they become arrogant, then we will turn them off.
The farm hand lost his job to a robot. He opened a church, fed the poor, read linux documentation.
The Turing Test does not speak to conscsiousness. But it describes the next be thing: observable proof of consciousness. What you seem to mean by consciousness is the subjective awareness of it. That is an entirely different notion altogether. The Turing Test is a way to prove scientifically that a thing has consciousness. When you say 'consciousness' you seem to mean your feeling of it. That is the stuff of poetry, not science.
PEACE
??? I'm starting to get the urge to write some documentation... from a newbie perspective. I've had linux for 6 months but I still feel like a newbie. But I've got the install process down. I've probably done that 50? times? At least. Sometimes, I do it for or five times a day. I delete my Win partition because I hate it. Then, I try for weeks to get my parallel port scanner going. Failure. I reinstall Win partition; I have to endure all those dialogs again. I installed on my girlfriends 486, made tens of boot disks. Here is my newbie install doc: Go to cheapbytes.com. Buy RH 5.2 for $2 + s/h. Put cd in cdrom drive. Touch power button. Hit , , whatever gets you into bios/setup. Hit right-arrow button until BOOT is highlighed. Read instructions on screen that tell you how to select a menu item. Play with it. Make cdrom be the first boot thingy. Hit [simultaneously]. Red Hat menu should appear. Hit . Keep hitting until you get to the part /usr/doc/HOWTO (I think). If you want me tell you how to do more stuff, install debian. That's what I know how to
where it asks you whether you want Workstation, Server, or Custom. If you are daring choose custom. You can always start over. But this option will tell you all about your hardware. OR. Choose Workstation. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...... Your harddrive will start humming baby. In the end, it will tell you what kind of mouse you have. Hit . Then, it will tell you what kind of video card you have. Hit . Go ahead and when it asks you if you want to probe or not. Probe. If it locks up, then start over. Next time, don't probe you idiot. Your hardware doesn't like getting probed. Hit enter a couple more times (when you see dialogs that ask you to), sometimes you have to hit tab before hitting enter. Don't worry, it only gets harder after you finish installing. Enter your root password. It reboots, your done. Now what? You want to dial your ISP. Read the PPP howto in
use. I just installed red hat on my laptop after erasing debian, reinstalling Win (to use my printer), and reinstalling linux. I would have installed debian (see the debian.org site for their really good howto on installation), but debian's lilo doesn't like dos partitions and ignores them. I know it can be done, but like all things debian, you have to read the man page and the HOWTOs and the docs. It's linux for the gods' sakes; one must learn to read first.
I realize that he is using a mac; there may be serious differences. I began this same quest about 6 months ago in an effort to have an affordable ecommerce solution for myself when I finish school. It's been hard. Prior to that I used W9x for only 2 years. I was really a newbie. I'm in law school with no prior computer background. Yet, I have successfully installed slackware, red hat, caldera, and debian. I now use debian on my box, and red hat on my laptop. What's the big deal John? The book I relied on was Linux Configuration & Installation by Patrick Volkerding, Kevin Reichard, and Eric Foster-Johnson, published by MIS Press. Once installed, I relied on Running Linux published by O'Reilly. Those books helped some. More importantly [read MUCH MORE importantly], was the online documentation you can get from the various websites. Debian.org's install doc is excellent. Every major vendor/distro roller has one. They give detailed instructions. But if you don't have two computers
(one to install on, the other to browse the web for documentation), then I guess you have to rely on the books. I'm sorry to say, the books are not nearly as good as the online documentation. Another avenue that worked for me was to simply let RH5.x do all the work. With RH 5.2 you boot the cd (John you can do that) follow the menus. Finally choose "workstation" not custom, and the install will do everything for you, including partitioning. John, it will work. Am I one of the lucky few newbies who can figure things out on his own? I am not that smart, otherwise I wouldn't be in law school. I would be in the world make big cash at age 24 playing with linux. Hey John, will I wrote this, 2.2.0pre9 compiled after I zcat patched against 2.2.0pre8. Another thing, learn the console.... learn.... the.. conssssssssoooooooole........Yeah, baby, I'm a geek, I'm a geek, I'm a geek.
I'm not a RH user. I use debian. I'm probably wrong about this, but can't anyone use any kernel? I'm currently running 2.2.0pre8 just fine. Sure you need ipchains, but not many people are implementing firewall/network stuff.
Can the question be formulated?
Did he really drill his brain, or was that a dream sequence? At the end of the movie, when the little Asian girl asked him to race the calculator, was he dreaming, dead (and in the afterlife), or alive with a partially drilled brain? My girlfriend and I continue to debate this question. Any interpretations?
The second most popular distro is debian. .debs will last as long as debian users keep using it. Debian is not going away. Saying "RPM is the future" is not a basis for arguing RPMs are better. Red Hat users that switch to debian fall in love. I'm one of them.
By the way, thanks homie. I was beginning to feel like David against the lions. If your anywhere near Nor Cal, email me, we'll hook up and kick down some liquor. PEACE.
That's why you think jokes about your own race are funny. You do it just to impress these racists.
You can think what you want. You don't know me. I don't care who you are, racial jokes are not funny. You won't see me laughing at any ever.
You are right. Indians have done well here, because highly educated Indians were the first to immigrate. That will change. The situation in Canada is different. More working class Indians have immigrated there. Asians in general are a very highly achieving minority group in this country. Stats show that Indians have the highest percentage of postgraduate degrees, and income over say $60,000/yr. Asians in general are a very diverse group. The socio-economic backgrounds of the immigrants varies more widely. I can't site to any specific study; (I watched a story on CNN). So maybe it's not all that reliable. I still disagree with you on the ability to make generalizations. Usually that are not valid.
I want to formally apologize for my behavior on this site. I made some very inflammatory remarks that, in retrospect, should not have been made. But comments that border on bigotry truly infuriorate me. Like my brother says, "makes me act my color." At that point it was red. Nevertheless, the sentiment stands. Todays threads as to this article have for the most part been rationale opinions as to the state of the economy vis a vis cryptographic export restrictions. Yet, many posters have resorted to blanket generalizations about India, Indian people, and the quality of their work and products. I'm no pro-political-correctness individual. However, more reasoned and educated responses are a necessary conduit for the communication on this website. The old addage applies: If you don't have something nice to say... Don't say anything at all. That does not mean that one cannot engage in heated debate, it means keeping the content intellectually stimulated. It does not mean infuriating, or volatile. In
the future I will ignore ignorant ACers whose sole ambition is to enrage his brother or sister. These individuals will learn life's dire lessons in due course. I tend to be a deeply spiritual person, and hold non-violence up as the most beautiful gift man could give to his world. Yet, like most men, I am subject to the whims of my body. I can become enraged. I have striken others. I have lashed out. One thing I have learned in life is that causation is a cruel and just arbiter. I do not wish to be the effect of an evil cause, nor do I wish to cause evil. When I have caused it, I've faced it. Causation has been cruel to me too. Humans behave vastly uglier now even from the ugly time in which I was born. Yet, the Earth by and large remains beautiful. We are not powerful. Power creates; ignorance destroys. At times, ignorance flourishes by destroying and festers like puss. When it has no more to break it ignorantly destroys itself. I hope I won't again; I hope you all won't act like puss.
I apologize again...
I should not have lost my cool. By the way sucker, what's with the "Habib" remark? My name's Nate or Nathan. You obviously have a little maturity problem of your own if you still can't manage to refrain from bigotry. It's a shame; you probably think of yourself as a mature individual too.
Oh I forgot before... My point was that Indians are very prevalent in the technology industry. Not that I think we are "so great" just prevalent. The diversity is a good thing. Indians immigrate to different countries for various reasons. My father came here because during partition Indian universities closed. My post was so acrid because I sensed that the previous poster was a bigot, and nothing enrages me more than bigotry (I've had time to cool down so I'm cool now). If you were offended, I apologize. But it seems to me I struck a chord with you, and you seemed to say that you agree with that comment. IOW, it appears that you think educated can make generalizations. WRONG. My point is that generalizations are signs of ignorance. If you like making those, then (sorry) the "player hater" "little bitch" comment applies to you, because that's what you understand. If you don't then it doesn't. I don't know you, but I guarantee you that if you made a blunt racial overture in front of me, we'd have
to step outside. If you weren't, then we could sit down to some scotch, tell jokes, and kick it... I'm a simple man; I'm either mad or laughing...
American. Teenager. Virgin. Sexually addicted (to masturbation). Probably reasonably intelligent. From a family that does not foster proper moral value (daddy's an alcoholic or mommy plays naked twister with the neighbors). Probably not from California or New York. Probably got that 7-11 joke from the Simpsons. Summation: average intelligence, below average appearance, below average background.
I was about to post a message that I'm down to kick your bitch ass. Oh I did, racism is the one thing that will make me lose my cool. Biiiiiaaaayyyaatch. It must be nice that you can post your bitch ass little remarks in your anonymous coward way. You would not say that to my face, I guarantee it. But if you were that stupid, I'd make you pay, punk.
If you ever want to get your ass kicked... bitch, email me and I'm down to oblige you...
I'm pissed at the quasi-racist comments. I may have been speaking for you... I agree, that name calling is uncalled-for. Yet, slashdot readers get under my skin sometimes. People who put down others due to envy of the others' success is low. I like the term "player haters." It clearly defines a very common phenomenon these days, where people can't just be glad for someone else's success. We can all be successful. I know I will.
E Ji, it's a called a donation ;)
Sorry about the language, but I'm Indian and perceiving racism afoot. If you didn't mean it to be racist, you sound racist. So get it together (were you educated?). "They're even a bunch of them..." that's condescending. You are a fucking punk...
There is a huge Indian diaspora that covers the planet. I have relatives in Canada, GB, Australia, Kenya, South Africa, Omman, India, Jordan... The list goes on. We are all professionals too...
There are smart and dumb everying. I can't believe educated people would make generalizations about the quality of programmers from a particular country. I'm an indian law student. My uncle was one of the founders of the floppy drive industry (remember Tandon, Inc.? no? who cares.) The point is that like or not Indian people are the wealthiest and most educated minority group in the U.S. Most of us are in the "top 2%" that causes so much controversy. I'm proud to be Indian because we have a rich and glorious culture and history. But practically speaking, many of you in the tech industry definitely work with an Indian person, or for an Indian person. From the sound of these negative stereotypical comments... well I'll say this, in CA well call y'all "player haters" you hate the real players cause you're a little bitch.