It isn't "impossible to design around". Quit giving free passes to something we half-ass.
We need better control over the technology. I promise in the future there will be some crazy mixture of chemicals that will nullify those reactor cores immediately and render them inert.
Once we have that capability, you can build nuclear reactors wherever you want. Until then, I consider the liability too high.
"the problem is that nuclear is safe like air travel"
Air travel has quite an impressive track record. Nuclear power is still pretty new, with stockpiles being almost non-existant a couple decades ago, so it doesn't have quite the elaborate history as plane flight in my opinion. Not to mention, besides Chernobyl, a really bad accident hasn't happened yet. What if a reactor explodes in upstate New York because of whatever reason (act of god / terrorism / negligence) and the wind takes the radioactive cloud to NYC. The potential for insane amounts of casualties exists and is worth considering and not writing off so easily because of 'past performance' as you are trying to do.
Arsenic and other problems with exploiting third-world countries are also a problem, but that should not be a justification for building more Nuclear plants. They are both horrible.
I actually read about some of the naturally aspirated reactors and the pebble bed designs, but I'm sure they are far from perfect. For instance, what if the ground split and the reactor fell on its side, preventing gravity from taking over.... Would it meltdown in that situation? I'm talking about possible but not unfathomable situations. You don't design an iPad that blows up and melts down when you flip it over, so why should a nuclear reactor? I'm sure everyone just scoffed and said 'well thats completely different'. But why do we give something so dangerous a free pass like that? Shouldn't a nuclear reactor be even more reliable than my fucking iPad?! I want my nuclear reactors to withstand Paul Bunyan picking them up and throwing them halfway across the country. Then I would feel safe about building more.
Not to mention, we still haven't figured out what to do with all the WASTE that all these reactors generate. If an earthquake hit some of the waste facilities, we could be in just as bad, or worse, of a situation.
Some of these reactors use Plutonium-239! Which has a halflife of 24,000 years, and could still be deadly 8-10 times the halflife. Human beings probably won't exist anymore, and that shit will still be killing whats left on this planet.
The Fukushima situation definitely caused my heel-turn towards nuclear power, because it is inevitable that this situation will happen again. Chernobyl is going to be a reoccurring incident, it's just unavoidable until we have a way to actually diffuse radioactive material.
If we could invent a dang Killswitch, I would be fine with Nuclear power.
But we can't stop it what-so-ever. Expecting 'weeks' worth of constantly running water is not realistic expectation in hundreds of 'worst case' scenarios.
It is extremely irresponsible to try and harness a technology if you are unable to quickly and safely pull the damn plug.
I actually agreed with you when I read this the other day. But since Japan is facing yet another meltdown in yet another reactor now (3rd by my count) it is starting to be more worrisome. BBC
Lets see what happens before we try to write off this accident. The Anti-Nuke people aren't worried about 2-3 people dying. They are worried about more Chernobyls. The US moved one of their battleships because they detected radiation 100 miles off the coast. That is pretty frightening. (per the link above)
I like your point. And if I had unlimited time and resources, this would definitely be the preferred route.
But it is not practical in my environment
Sometimes, I have to put the idealism aside and focus on getting that server up as quick as possible.
*Note: I am primarily referring to Webservers and 'Stock' machines. Which have nothing on them except Apache or IIS and the Website, or some other generic/easily-replaceable application.
If this is your Database Server, you might run into issues with data-loss, so again, pick the appropriate response. (which still might be formatting and restoring)
This whole argument is retarded. I always pick the most appropriate response to the problem at hand. If your server is hosed and not booting, I don't have time to mess around with some Knoppix DVD, trying to figure out exactly where in the boot process it is dying. Especially if you have nightly backups! Sometimes a clean sweep and restore is perfectly acceptable and reasonable. Why even sacrifice downtime trying to troubleshoot an issue that could be resolved within minutes?!
Now, if it happens again the following night, you do have a deeper problem and should investigate it further, because constantly restoring the machine is now the inefficient part in the process.
It's like we've lost common sense in favor of our technical ego.
I dunno, I guess I was able to do both. Maybe my car wasn't as nice as yours, or maybe your apartment was cooler, but I have certainly partied my share. And as for chasing girls...the ones that truly care about your material items aren't the girls I enjoy being around anyway.
ugh, of course some low ID fag has to reply with a 'better than thou' douche comment.
Yea, I get it, if interest is only 2% but inflation skyrockets then I'm boned. But you just assumed all my assets are all kept in a shit savings account...which they aren't.
Secondly, I don't see how anything that you wrote counters my complaints about mortgages or the overspending by the average American.
You just wanted to make me feel stupid so you wrote some vague comment that wasn't really related to anything I typed in the first place. I got off topic as well, but didn't personally attack you like you were some idiot.
You're an introverted nerdy asshole Colin 'fag' Smith, and honestly, I hope you get impaled by a Suburban running a red light tomorrow on your way to work/McDonalds/where-ever fuckers like you go. This may sound strange, but the world needs less people like you.
well, the thing is, because the population is always increasing, steady growth should be expected.
The problem is people have been over-spending and spreading themselves too thin. So now, the slightest bump with their income causes massive repayment issues...People need to be more humble and not lease that new car.
Being a CS geek, I've taken my share of math classes. It is easy for me to understand how compound interest works, and why saving that nest-egg at the beginning of your career is so vital. Once you can pay for things out of pocket, you will save thousands on interest over the course of your life, which in turn enables you to buy even more stuff down the road. But everyone wants everything 'Now', which is a very hard mindset to change.
I wish people weren't so damn stupid, because it affects my retirement directly. I cringe at the fact, somehow, someday, I will be bailing out the idiots who are underwater with mortgages/credit card debt because they were irresponsible and acted foolishly. The majority always get their way, even when they are wrong (IMO democracy problem #1). And people like me, who save their money, will have it ripped from our hands with unobtainable student loan grants for our children, first time home buyer credits, or whatever else the government does to keep me in the same rat-race as everyone else.
True, the banks are partially to blame. In my opinion, nobody should be allowed to buy a house without 20% down. Sure, there are financial wizards who can come up with crazy alternatives and be just fine. But the mess we are in is because too many of those fancy loans were handed out to people who probably never passed algebra 1.
Anyway, I'm getting off topic, I just hate where we are headed and feel helpless no matter what I do. Save or splurge, I honestly can't decide which is a better idea anymore.
I not sure if I believe your post. Sure that video looks neat, but that machine also has a significant weight advantage over an RC helicopter. I don't see why flipping it over (other than getting utterly blasted with air, and messing with a nice consistent airflow pattern) would be any different. And you could account for the things I mentioned, it just requires more engineering.
too bad those high-tech things called SHELVES are only for the most elite. better buy an additional entertainment center, complete with media centers. its the only way.
yea i mean, i'd much rather worry about off-site storage and extra local backups of my hard drives. one strategically spilled drink could mean the end of All your movies. i mean RLY!
Any language which gives the programmer the power to write a good program, also gives the power to write a poor one. A language which was 'immune to exploitation' would be a language which was impossible to write a decent (non-trivial) program in as well.
I disagree with you immediately. You can modify a binary file with a freaking hex editor and run it again. We should build encryption and check-sums into executables to prevent tampering with. Sure, there will be ways around that, but it's like we aren't even trying.
Java and.Net do a much better job against buffer overflows than C/C++. Hell, in C you can overwrite the entire program using a buffer overflow if you have a lot of time on your hands.
Our compilers/runtimes/languages could get a LOT better about security.
I call bullocks on that post. Out of the box if your operating system has an open port for a random service, there is a very strong likely-hood you can exploit a buffer overflow somehow.
The problem is that we haven't invented a Language that is immune to exploitation. C/C++ are laughable at security, which most operating systems are written in.
I'm surprised these sorts of things don't happen more often.
There is so much going on with motherboards anymore, and there must be 1000+ motherboard variations in each generation. It's amazing that things like clock timings don't affect other portions of the board more frequently. Crazy.
I will give Firefox another try then. Lately Chrome has been getting slower and slower, even after I clear my downloads and history. The more features they add, the bigger the hit I have noticed. I do not care about any of the new 'Apps'. I never cared for many of the 'extensions' except some basic ad-blocking. Its getting bloated and I want something that performs better.
One thing that still confuses me. When I launch one Chrome window, I have about 3 or 4 chrome.exe applications running. Yet if I open a separate tab in the background and try to scroll on my current window, it lags and jumps around, even though the CPU is under 50% on a dual core machine. Not sure they got the multi-threading down the way I would have liked just yet...
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It isn't "impossible to design around". Quit giving free passes to something we half-ass.
We need better control over the technology. I promise in the future there will be some crazy mixture of chemicals that will nullify those reactor cores immediately and render them inert.
Once we have that capability, you can build nuclear reactors wherever you want. Until then, I consider the liability too high.
"the problem is that nuclear is safe like air travel"
Air travel has quite an impressive track record. Nuclear power is still pretty new, with stockpiles being almost non-existant a couple decades ago, so it doesn't have quite the elaborate history as plane flight in my opinion. Not to mention, besides Chernobyl, a really bad accident hasn't happened yet. What if a reactor explodes in upstate New York because of whatever reason (act of god / terrorism / negligence) and the wind takes the radioactive cloud to NYC. The potential for insane amounts of casualties exists and is worth considering and not writing off so easily because of 'past performance' as you are trying to do.
Arsenic and other problems with exploiting third-world countries are also a problem, but that should not be a justification for building more Nuclear plants. They are both horrible.
I actually read about some of the naturally aspirated reactors and the pebble bed designs, but I'm sure they are far from perfect. For instance, what if the ground split and the reactor fell on its side, preventing gravity from taking over.... Would it meltdown in that situation? I'm talking about possible but not unfathomable situations. You don't design an iPad that blows up and melts down when you flip it over, so why should a nuclear reactor? I'm sure everyone just scoffed and said 'well thats completely different'. But why do we give something so dangerous a free pass like that? Shouldn't a nuclear reactor be even more reliable than my fucking iPad?! I want my nuclear reactors to withstand Paul Bunyan picking them up and throwing them halfway across the country. Then I would feel safe about building more.
Not to mention, we still haven't figured out what to do with all the WASTE that all these reactors generate. If an earthquake hit some of the waste facilities, we could be in just as bad, or worse, of a situation.
Some of these reactors use Plutonium-239! Which has a halflife of 24,000 years, and could still be deadly 8-10 times the halflife. Human beings probably won't exist anymore, and that shit will still be killing whats left on this planet.
The Fukushima situation definitely caused my heel-turn towards nuclear power, because it is inevitable that this situation will happen again. Chernobyl is going to be a reoccurring incident, it's just unavoidable until we have a way to actually diffuse radioactive material.
If we could invent a dang Killswitch, I would be fine with Nuclear power.
But we can't stop it what-so-ever. Expecting 'weeks' worth of constantly running water is not realistic expectation in hundreds of 'worst case' scenarios.
It is extremely irresponsible to try and harness a technology if you are unable to quickly and safely pull the damn plug.
I actually agreed with you when I read this the other day. But since Japan is facing yet another meltdown in yet another reactor now (3rd by my count) it is starting to be more worrisome. BBC
Lets see what happens before we try to write off this accident. The Anti-Nuke people aren't worried about 2-3 people dying. They are worried about more Chernobyls. The US moved one of their battleships because they detected radiation 100 miles off the coast. That is pretty frightening. (per the link above)
I like your point. And if I had unlimited time and resources, this would definitely be the preferred route.
But it is not practical in my environment
Sometimes, I have to put the idealism aside and focus on getting that server up as quick as possible.
Right, as I mentioned, after three times in a row, restoring would not be an appropriate response.
*Note: I am primarily referring to Webservers and 'Stock' machines. Which have nothing on them except Apache or IIS and the Website, or some other generic/easily-replaceable application.
If this is your Database Server, you might run into issues with data-loss, so again, pick the appropriate response. (which still might be formatting and restoring)
This whole argument is retarded. I always pick the most appropriate response to the problem at hand. If your server is hosed and not booting, I don't have time to mess around with some Knoppix DVD, trying to figure out exactly where in the boot process it is dying. Especially if you have nightly backups! Sometimes a clean sweep and restore is perfectly acceptable and reasonable. Why even sacrifice downtime trying to troubleshoot an issue that could be resolved within minutes?!
Now, if it happens again the following night, you do have a deeper problem and should investigate it further, because constantly restoring the machine is now the inefficient part in the process.
It's like we've lost common sense in favor of our technical ego.
don't worry. Wall Street will fuck up again and destroy all your savings before you reach that age.
without a doubt.
but it still made me feel a little sad. he was trying to help someone he thought was in trouble.
I dunno, I guess I was able to do both. Maybe my car wasn't as nice as yours, or maybe your apartment was cooler, but I have certainly partied my share. And as for chasing girls...the ones that truly care about your material items aren't the girls I enjoy being around anyway.
ugh, of course some low ID fag has to reply with a 'better than thou' douche comment.
Yea, I get it, if interest is only 2% but inflation skyrockets then I'm boned. But you just assumed all my assets are all kept in a shit savings account...which they aren't.
Secondly, I don't see how anything that you wrote counters my complaints about mortgages or the overspending by the average American.
You just wanted to make me feel stupid so you wrote some vague comment that wasn't really related to anything I typed in the first place. I got off topic as well, but didn't personally attack you like you were some idiot.
You're an introverted nerdy asshole Colin 'fag' Smith, and honestly, I hope you get impaled by a Suburban running a red light tomorrow on your way to work/McDonalds/where-ever fuckers like you go.
This may sound strange, but the world needs less people like you.
well, the thing is, because the population is always increasing, steady growth should be expected.
The problem is people have been over-spending and spreading themselves too thin. So now, the slightest bump with their income causes massive repayment issues...People need to be more humble and not lease that new car.
Being a CS geek, I've taken my share of math classes. It is easy for me to understand how compound interest works, and why saving that nest-egg at the beginning of your career is so vital. Once you can pay for things out of pocket, you will save thousands on interest over the course of your life, which in turn enables you to buy even more stuff down the road. But everyone wants everything 'Now', which is a very hard mindset to change.
I wish people weren't so damn stupid, because it affects my retirement directly. I cringe at the fact, somehow, someday, I will be bailing out the idiots who are underwater with mortgages/credit card debt because they were irresponsible and acted foolishly. The majority always get their way, even when they are wrong (IMO democracy problem #1). And people like me, who save their money, will have it ripped from our hands with unobtainable student loan grants for our children, first time home buyer credits, or whatever else the government does to keep me in the same rat-race as everyone else.
True, the banks are partially to blame. In my opinion, nobody should be allowed to buy a house without 20% down. Sure, there are financial wizards who can come up with crazy alternatives and be just fine. But the mess we are in is because too many of those fancy loans were handed out to people who probably never passed algebra 1.
Anyway, I'm getting off topic, I just hate where we are headed and feel helpless no matter what I do. Save or splurge, I honestly can't decide which is a better idea anymore.
I not sure if I believe your post.
Sure that video looks neat, but that machine also has a significant weight advantage over an RC helicopter. I don't see why flipping it over (other than getting utterly blasted with air, and messing with a nice consistent airflow pattern) would be any different. And you could account for the things I mentioned, it just requires more engineering.
too bad those high-tech things called SHELVES are only for the most elite. better buy an additional entertainment center, complete with media centers. its the only way.
yea i mean, i'd much rather worry about off-site storage and extra local backups of my hard drives.
one strategically spilled drink could mean the end of All your movies. i mean RLY!
is anyone surprised? you have to murder little girls for their spirit energy or whatever. the base concept is a little fucked up.
I can't help but laugh when people call C++ a "high level" language.
You realize the original Assembler was released 200 years ago. Definitions change fucknuts.
That wasn't my point. It shouldn't even be allowed to happen by the runtime or the operating system. That was my point.
Any language which gives the programmer the power to write a good program, also gives the power to write a poor one. A language which was 'immune to exploitation' would be a language which was impossible to write a decent (non-trivial) program in as well.
I disagree with you immediately. You can modify a binary file with a freaking hex editor and run it again. We should build encryption and check-sums into executables to prevent tampering with. Sure, there will be ways around that, but it's like we aren't even trying.
.Net do a much better job against buffer overflows than C/C++. Hell, in C you can overwrite the entire program using a buffer overflow if you have a lot of time on your hands.
Java and
Our compilers/runtimes/languages could get a LOT better about security.
I call bullocks on that post.
Out of the box if your operating system has an open port for a random service, there is a very strong likely-hood you can exploit a buffer overflow somehow.
The problem is that we haven't invented a Language that is immune to exploitation. C/C++ are laughable at security, which most operating systems are written in.
I love how the first thing you see, when you click the link, is that the article says 295 exabytes, not 250.
I'm surprised these sorts of things don't happen more often.
There is so much going on with motherboards anymore, and there must be 1000+ motherboard variations in each generation. It's amazing that things like clock timings don't affect other portions of the board more frequently. Crazy.
I will give Firefox another try then. Lately Chrome has been getting slower and slower, even after I clear my downloads and history. The more features they add, the bigger the hit I have noticed. I do not care about any of the new 'Apps'. I never cared for many of the 'extensions' except some basic ad-blocking. Its getting bloated and I want something that performs better.
One thing that still confuses me. When I launch one Chrome window, I have about 3 or 4 chrome.exe applications running. Yet if I open a separate tab in the background and try to scroll on my current window, it lags and jumps around, even though the CPU is under 50% on a dual core machine. Not sure they got the multi-threading down the way I would have liked just yet...