I think this is incorrectly interpreting the motive of these companies. Its not because of fear of blender. If it was, they would give it away regardless of the economic situation. This is much more about marketing their product to people that are in a dire economic situation. Once they attain these loyal customers now, they'll continue to be loyal when the economy returns. Besides, there is some evidence that during the great depression, it was the companies that continued to aggressively promote their brand and advertise that ultimately succeeded.
Let me repost for you what the link said... http://www.purenudism.com/free/nude-women-playing.html [purenudism.com]
pure nudism... i wanted to see pictures of nude women. purenudism.com, not purenudekids.com. How was I supposed to know there was supposed to be pictures of nude kids? Psychic powers aren't part of my ability.
Or maybe... this is a real system they're going to leave in place and the April fool's joke is to make you think its an april fool's joke... dun dun dun....
Whatever dude, you know that argument is lame and you're just saying that to be contradictory. You know damn well that a pedophile isn't looking at the sistine chapel wacking off but he sure as hell will go to websites like that and wack off to those pictures.
The thought of a DA being appointed that is a religious zealot or just some nutjob almost makes me want to suggest that we should have the ability to elect DA's. These guys might not make the law but they have the ability to bend the interpretation of the law, which can be just as powerful.
I think its a much more dangerous precedent to set when he can go off confiscating cell phones and giving felony charges to teenagers who took pictures of themselves.
These are kids being foolish. Giving them a felony charge will ruin their lives. Publicizing it like this and sending them to court will already traumatize them. This should have been something the school notified the parents about to let the parents resolve.
I think this is absolutely the right precedent to set to control these head hunting lawyers that take overly extend the definition of the law
I'm not ok with that link. There are pictures of girls who are clearly 13 or younger and they're walking around butt naked. I cannot rationalize putting little girls naked in public like that, let alone taking pictures of them. Putting them on the internet is even worse. Thats just fostering pedophilia and it should be removed.
Well, how about completely ignoring the "REFERENCES othertable(othercolumn)" syntax for foreign key constraints without as much as a warning in even the strictest mode, leaving you without referential integrity without any way of knowing?
This is new to me. I've used foreign keys and seen it complain when the constraints aren't met. I know this happens in MyISAM though (because there are no foreign keys). I'd like to see an example of where InnoDB doesn't respect the constraints
and those other 3 things you said.
of course it takes some tweaking of a database to get stuff working the way you want it. granted tweaking for ACID compliance isn't ideal
I'm not going to bother responding to each of your points as you know damn well that you were quoting the MySQL 4.1 manual and at least 1, if not more, of your points are invalid now in MySQL 5.0
InnoDB defaults to off too. If you're going to enable InnoDB because you're looking for an ACID RDBMS, then you should also configure your database server to properly utilize InnoDB.
Stick to apples-apples comparisons. None of those companies are using MySQL as a relational database (say, doing their accounting in it or trusting their business on it)
Google is using it to power their adwords. How is that not "their business"? besides that, there are plenty of companies out there that run their "business" on mysql. you know it, i know it, every postgres, oracle, mssql dba knows it. here's some more info...
you might not have been degrading (you kind of are with your last statement), but plenty of postgres, mssql, and oracle users are. i hate going into ##sql on freenode, asking a question about SQL 92 joins and I get kicked because I said I'm using MySQL. WTF does mysql have anything to do with SQL92 syntax?
and here's where you start to get slightly condescending...
When you clean up enough messes left by people who have no business touching a database, it gets fustrating. Especially when things like this are said:
and
Or are those examples only good for Fortune 10(tm) enterprises and not some piddly organization like yours.
i asked you a valid question, how does innodb not maintain referential integrity? you bring up myisam. i didn't mention myisam. i know myisam isn't ACID. i asked you how innodb isn't. and as for error reporting, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/error-handling.html. so again, how does innodb not take referential integrity and error reporting seriously?
so even though you say you aren't being condescending, you still maintained to act like an elitist pretentious ass. congratulations. thats exactly the type of attitude us mysql users are fed up with from you non-mysql users.
and yes, i agree with you that mysql's not null default data is complete bullshit, but that was never part of your original argument
So wanting a DB that takes things like referential integrity and error reporting seriously is elitist?
no, but degrading everyone else that has no interest in using it is. and by the way, how exactly does innodb not take things like referential integrity and error reporting seriously?
should use postgres? wow, thats quite a bold statement to make. did everyone who runs a server suddenly learn how to become a dba? if thats the case, i want those powers suddenly infused into my brain too.
yea, seriously. and on top of that... women don't go up to disgusting looking guys to compliment them on their laptop.... well at least not here in la. so if she's taking the initiative to talk to you (regardless of what the topic is), she's hitting on you you idiot. flirt with her, ask for her number, try to kiss her, or at least grab her tits before she leaves you because you're too insecure about a "cute" laptop.
go shopping with a baby?! that only works if you're looking for women over 30. what woman in their right mind under the age of 30 (ie: isn't desperate) would get with a guy that already has baggage.
take your ramblings elsewhere. this is slashdot. we have no interest in actually talking to women. we want other nerds to talk to us because of our laptop, not hot girls.
you realize china is the biggest single owner of us bonds right? approximately 1 trillion in us bonds. if they decide to sell all of that, it will cause the dollar to crash and the us economy would be wiped out.
Wait, so let me get this straight. You want cars that produce more harmful emissions AND you want ID to be taught in the class room? You must be either a Texan or a wannabe Texan.
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Nor does it fix anything when you have a critical vulnerability in the operating system... http://www.h-online.com/news/Root-exploit-for-Mac-OS-X--/110968
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I think this is incorrectly interpreting the motive of these companies. Its not because of fear of blender. If it was, they would give it away regardless of the economic situation. This is much more about marketing their product to people that are in a dire economic situation. Once they attain these loyal customers now, they'll continue to be loyal when the economy returns. Besides, there is some evidence that during the great depression, it was the companies that continued to aggressively promote their brand and advertise that ultimately succeeded.
Let me repost for you what the link said... http://www.purenudism.com/free/nude-women-playing.html [purenudism.com] pure nudism... i wanted to see pictures of nude women. purenudism.com, not purenudekids.com. How was I supposed to know there was supposed to be pictures of nude kids? Psychic powers aren't part of my ability.
Or maybe... this is a real system they're going to leave in place and the April fool's joke is to make you think its an april fool's joke... dun dun dun....
Whatever dude, you know that argument is lame and you're just saying that to be contradictory. You know damn well that a pedophile isn't looking at the sistine chapel wacking off but he sure as hell will go to websites like that and wack off to those pictures.
well no shit sherlock. i didn't click on it again after the first time. i still have the right to express my opinions, which i did
My issue isn't the girls are young and naked. My issue is that these pictures are up on the internet for the public to view.
The thought of a DA being appointed that is a religious zealot or just some nutjob almost makes me want to suggest that we should have the ability to elect DA's. These guys might not make the law but they have the ability to bend the interpretation of the law, which can be just as powerful.
I think its a much more dangerous precedent to set when he can go off confiscating cell phones and giving felony charges to teenagers who took pictures of themselves.
These are kids being foolish. Giving them a felony charge will ruin their lives. Publicizing it like this and sending them to court will already traumatize them. This should have been something the school notified the parents about to let the parents resolve.
I think this is absolutely the right precedent to set to control these head hunting lawyers that take overly extend the definition of the law
I'm not ok with that link. There are pictures of girls who are clearly 13 or younger and they're walking around butt naked. I cannot rationalize putting little girls naked in public like that, let alone taking pictures of them. Putting them on the internet is even worse. Thats just fostering pedophilia and it should be removed.
Well, how about completely ignoring the "REFERENCES othertable(othercolumn)" syntax for foreign key constraints without as much as a warning in even the strictest mode, leaving you without referential integrity without any way of knowing?
This is new to me. I've used foreign keys and seen it complain when the constraints aren't met. I know this happens in MyISAM though (because there are no foreign keys). I'd like to see an example of where InnoDB doesn't respect the constraints
and those other 3 things you said.
Stick to apples-apples comparisons. None of those companies are using MySQL as a relational database (say, doing their accounting in it or trusting their business on it)
Google is using it to power their adwords. How is that not "their business"? besides that, there are plenty of companies out there that run their "business" on mysql. you know it, i know it, every postgres, oracle, mssql dba knows it. here's some more info...
(Though you probably stand a higher chance of losing data when that happens if you're using MySQL.)
I see this argument a lot against MySQL... so how exactly do all those people running InnoDB stand a higher chance of losing data?
you might not have been degrading (you kind of are with your last statement), but plenty of postgres, mssql, and oracle users are. i hate going into ##sql on freenode, asking a question about SQL 92 joins and I get kicked because I said I'm using MySQL. WTF does mysql have anything to do with SQL92 syntax?
and here's where you start to get slightly condescending...
When you clean up enough messes left by people who have no business touching a database, it gets fustrating. Especially when things like this are said:
and
Or are those examples only good for Fortune 10(tm) enterprises and not some piddly organization like yours.
i asked you a valid question, how does innodb not maintain referential integrity? you bring up myisam. i didn't mention myisam. i know myisam isn't ACID. i asked you how innodb isn't. and as for error reporting, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/error-handling.html. so again, how does innodb not take referential integrity and error reporting seriously?
by the way, when you say
piddly organizations like yours
, are you referring to companies like google, yahoo, or alcatel-lucent? need i really go on?
so even though you say you aren't being condescending, you still maintained to act like an elitist pretentious ass. congratulations. thats exactly the type of attitude us mysql users are fed up with from you non-mysql users.
and yes, i agree with you that mysql's not null default data is complete bullshit, but that was never part of your original argument
So wanting a DB that takes things like referential integrity and error reporting seriously is elitist?
no, but degrading everyone else that has no interest in using it is. and by the way, how exactly does innodb not take things like referential integrity and error reporting seriously?
should use postgres? wow, thats quite a bold statement to make. did everyone who runs a server suddenly learn how to become a dba? if thats the case, i want those powers suddenly infused into my brain too.
and you sir have obviously never gotten any pussy from a girl who has a sense of humor
yea, seriously. and on top of that... women don't go up to disgusting looking guys to compliment them on their laptop.... well at least not here in la. so if she's taking the initiative to talk to you (regardless of what the topic is), she's hitting on you you idiot. flirt with her, ask for her number, try to kiss her, or at least grab her tits before she leaves you because you're too insecure about a "cute" laptop.
go shopping with a baby?! that only works if you're looking for women over 30. what woman in their right mind under the age of 30 (ie: isn't desperate) would get with a guy that already has baggage.
take your ramblings elsewhere. this is slashdot. we have no interest in actually talking to women. we want other nerds to talk to us because of our laptop, not hot girls.
well... thats what the parent meant by china owning the us. not saying that china can be independent of the us though
you have obviously never been in south western united states. people have no problem sneaking across the border. they just land in mexico first.
you realize china is the biggest single owner of us bonds right? approximately 1 trillion in us bonds. if they decide to sell all of that, it will cause the dollar to crash and the us economy would be wiped out.
actually, if they really wanted to destroy the us economy, all they would need to do is sell all their existing bonds. the dollar would crash.
Wait, so let me get this straight. You want cars that produce more harmful emissions AND you want ID to be taught in the class room? You must be either a Texan or a wannabe Texan.