I am actually using a Nexus One for now. Not saying I wont get the new iPhone when it comes out, but I had the G1 for a while. This N1 rocks, but the G1 is so dog slow, even with the 1.6/2 CM rom etc and overclocking.
The UI is like a slideshow in comparison to the iPhone. After using that phone for a while, I had to ebay it and go back to iPhone.
That was my first foray into Android land, but this Nexus One is my second and the hardware is -really- nice. The UI still isn't programmed as well as far as physics, animations, and transitions, etc, but its much closer.
Not only this, but if you're rooted and have a kernel that supports it, you can have AVS and use SetCPU.
AVS is automatic voltage scaling(or setting, or something similar). This basically sets the voltage on the core cpu as it is needed for the current load etc. So my core seems to run at 0.85V most of the time, and ramps up as needed.
SetCPU is an app that scales back the CPU dependent on load. So my phone runs at 200MHz most of the time, but as soon as I need more, I've got 1GHz of speed on tap. You can also have profiles that say stuff like 'if battery under 20 percent, keep CPU below 500MHz' and 'when phone sleeping keep CPU between 250 and 350MHz'. etc. I've used mine somewhat moderately since this morning and its now soon, I'm at 90 percent still.
I have a full GCC toolchain on my iPhone, and compile stuff whenever I want. I also have the full suite of GNU tools for perl or bash scripting as much as my heart desires.
That being said my NexusOne gets more use these days.
He did this, he's not completely stupid. It just didn't work. Considering it was only meant to be for a few days it wasn't delved deeper into, but the point remains that it didn't just work, and in OSX or Windows, it does.
Well that isn't really the case here. The hardware all worked, but he just found the UI frustrating and really craved going back to Windows. This really was not the case when he tried the Macbook.
I don't really believe it is personal preference. I believe the UI of even the best Linux distros is fundamentally worse than either Windows or OSX.
For me? If I was choosing between Windows and Linux, I would (and did for many years) chose Linux. But in terms of basic usability for newer users, I just don't believe it is at the level of the 'competition'.
I'm a veteran Linux user but have moved to OSX some time ago, since it gives me the UNIX I need, and the GUI I so sorely crave.
BUT recently, I was trying to get someone's computer up and running, and Linux was the only thing that would install due to some bug or other, so I temporarily put an Ubuntu install on their computer. Decided it would be a nice experiment for a non power user, to see how well they could cope.
He hated it. He couldn't get flash going, so it wouldn't work with certain sites. He was having trouble doing basic navigation of the OS, and had no idea which programs really did what beyond the basic.
There were a host of other issues I can't really remember now, but it was a very frustrating experience for him, and he was very happy when he got his Windows 7 back.
I sat him down with my macbook and he seemed to figure out OSX handily.
The Kernel works well. The OS handles many things very well internally, but the overall user experience, while MUCH MUCH improved over how things used to be, just is not as easy to use as a Mac or Windows computer.
The real work needs to be done by UI designers with coders to support them. Even connecting to a wireless network can be a chore. God forbid a driver doesn't work or something along those lines and you need to open a terminal.
While you'd think the 'many eyeballs' thing would take care of something like that, it seems all these eyeballs and the heads behind them just want their OS to work, and for a non power user right now, I wouldn't call it ready.
As for lifetimes, unless this is a VERY heavily used drive (100s of gb per day) the drive will far outlast any spinning platter drive. Even writing a 60gb per day, which is far more than I've EVER averaged, you're looking at 54 years before you run out of writes. Even taking into account the write amplification etc, this drive is going to last MUCH longer than any spinning platter drive.
TRIM absolutely solves the problem of lowered performance on SSDs with use. The reason performance degrades is because once the entire drive has been written do, the ssd has to do read, erase, write for every write instead of just a write. It doesn't know the deleted entry in the FAT actually means the data is no longer needed. TRIM tells it this. If you look at reviews, drives stay within a percent or two of their brand new performance with TRIM enabled.
His arguments are still valid about platter drives as well. Asymmetric read-write performance is a fact on SSDs, but even on their worst worst day, it is orders of magnitude faster than a spinning platter drive. So no, I wouldn't say the problem is worse on a SSD.
SATA does not limit write speeds until you hit the bandwidth limit of SATA. It does not pick on write speeds either.
Basically except for price per GB, SATA blows spinning platter drives out of the water in every way. They are vastly more reliable, quieter, less power, tougher(more rugged), have longer lifetimes, and fail very gracefully at the end of their life. If they were par in price/GB there would be absolutely no reason at all to use a spinning platter HD.
I'm kind of invested in Flickr for online photo organization and storage, and haven't yet tried Picasa. Flickr uses Picnik for photo editing but Flickr is owned by yahoo. Anyone think Flickr will dump Picnik or photo editing all together now that a competitor owns it ?
Urea is used all the time in place of salt because it will melt ice without the corrosive effects of salt. Pretty much every airport on earth uses it to de-ice its runways already.
Just to expand on what the AC said, most notably Wind Mobile is expanding in a few markets and all the newcomers are in the AWS band, which is the same as T-Mobile in the USA.
While Wind does not yet offer any of their own Android phones, there have been reports of people with Nexus One's etc working fine on their network.
Until you learn it, just use it as a normal trackpad. The only difference is the simplicity of not having extra buttons, just push down for a mouse click.
There is nothing there to confuse you, just options when you want to become more of a power user on that platform.
As the other posters said, some things are just better, at least for me.
I have been using old small trackpads with seperate buttons and clitmice for almost as long as they have been around and I instantly felt the large glass trackpad with its multitouch and gestures was a much better system.
As for the iPhone, they have done some excellent things with UI that is now being emulated all over the place.
What resistive UI which needs a nail/stylus would you say has an equally good but different UI?
PalmOS is very old, but fairly easy to use, but nothing like picking up an iPhone or Android for the first time.
What is the other main one, Windows Mobile, and OS which has been thrashed about its horrible UI since it has existed?
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I am actually using a Nexus One for now. Not saying I wont get the new iPhone when it comes out, but I had the G1 for a while. This N1 rocks, but the G1 is so dog slow, even with the 1.6/2 CM rom etc and overclocking.
The UI is like a slideshow in comparison to the iPhone. After using that phone for a while, I had to ebay it and go back to iPhone.
That was my first foray into Android land, but this Nexus One is my second and the hardware is -really- nice. The UI still isn't programmed as well as far as physics, animations, and transitions, etc, but its much closer.
Don't you find the G1 to be very slow ?
Best option, take out the SIM card so it couldn't be wiped, mail it to one of the dev team, and never tell anyone :D
Not only this, but if you're rooted and have a kernel that supports it, you can have AVS and use SetCPU.
AVS is automatic voltage scaling(or setting, or something similar). This basically sets the voltage on the core cpu as it is needed for the current load etc. So my core seems to run at 0.85V most of the time, and ramps up as needed.
SetCPU is an app that scales back the CPU dependent on load. So my phone runs at 200MHz most of the time, but as soon as I need more, I've got 1GHz of speed on tap. You can also have profiles that say stuff like 'if battery under 20 percent, keep CPU below 500MHz' and 'when phone sleeping keep CPU between 250 and 350MHz'. etc. I've used mine somewhat moderately since this morning and its now soon, I'm at 90 percent still.
The battery usage screen is great though.
I have a full GCC toolchain on my iPhone, and compile stuff whenever I want. I also have the full suite of GNU tools for perl or bash scripting as much as my heart desires.
That being said my NexusOne gets more use these days.
Fully agree with this. I'm not a great writer so am not always able to articulate my thoughts well on "paper" but yeah, basically, you said it.
He did this, he's not completely stupid. It just didn't work. Considering it was only meant to be for a few days it wasn't delved deeper into, but the point remains that it didn't just work, and in OSX or Windows, it does.
Well that isn't really the case here. The hardware all worked, but he just found the UI frustrating and really craved going back to Windows. This really was not the case when he tried the Macbook.
I don't really believe it is personal preference. I believe the UI of even the best Linux distros is fundamentally worse than either Windows or OSX.
For me? If I was choosing between Windows and Linux, I would (and did for many years) chose Linux. But in terms of basic usability for newer users, I just don't believe it is at the level of the 'competition'.
How does it not involve the discussion?
No one is working on the kernel because the kernel is 'good enough' for now, and the UI is what needs real work. Can't really make it more clear.
I'm a veteran Linux user but have moved to OSX some time ago, since it gives me the UNIX I need, and the GUI I so sorely crave.
BUT recently, I was trying to get someone's computer up and running, and Linux was the only thing that would install due to some bug or other, so I temporarily put an Ubuntu install on their computer. Decided it would be a nice experiment for a non power user, to see how well they could cope.
He hated it. He couldn't get flash going, so it wouldn't work with certain sites. He was having trouble doing basic navigation of the OS, and had no idea which programs really did what beyond the basic.
There were a host of other issues I can't really remember now, but it was a very frustrating experience for him, and he was very happy when he got his Windows 7 back.
I sat him down with my macbook and he seemed to figure out OSX handily.
The Kernel works well. The OS handles many things very well internally, but the overall user experience, while MUCH MUCH improved over how things used to be, just is not as easy to use as a Mac or Windows computer.
The real work needs to be done by UI designers with coders to support them. Even connecting to a wireless network can be a chore. God forbid a driver doesn't work or something along those lines and you need to open a terminal.
While you'd think the 'many eyeballs' thing would take care of something like that, it seems all these eyeballs and the heads behind them just want their OS to work, and for a non power user right now, I wouldn't call it ready.
Funny, Sony fucks their customers so often they could almost argue it in court.
"Your honor, they bought a product from US and did not expect to be ripped off? We can't possibly expect the court to believe that."
Bash/terminal work just fine on my iPhone :D
You can have as many accounts as you'd like. Not sure what you're asking for?
You're just wrong on so many issues.
As for lifetimes, unless this is a VERY heavily used drive (100s of gb per day) the drive will far outlast any spinning platter drive. Even writing a 60gb per day, which is far more than I've EVER averaged, you're looking at 54 years before you run out of writes. Even taking into account the write amplification etc, this drive is going to last MUCH longer than any spinning platter drive.
TRIM absolutely solves the problem of lowered performance on SSDs with use. The reason performance degrades is because once the entire drive has been written do, the ssd has to do read, erase, write for every write instead of just a write. It doesn't know the deleted entry in the FAT actually means the data is no longer needed. TRIM tells it this. If you look at reviews, drives stay within a percent or two of their brand new performance with TRIM enabled.
His arguments are still valid about platter drives as well. Asymmetric read-write performance is a fact on SSDs, but even on their worst worst day, it is orders of magnitude faster than a spinning platter drive. So no, I wouldn't say the problem is worse on a SSD.
SATA does not limit write speeds until you hit the bandwidth limit of SATA. It does not pick on write speeds either.
Basically except for price per GB, SATA blows spinning platter drives out of the water in every way. They are vastly more reliable, quieter, less power, tougher(more rugged), have longer lifetimes, and fail very gracefully at the end of their life. If they were par in price/GB there would be absolutely no reason at all to use a spinning platter HD.
I do that exact proceedure with my macbook pros. Maybe it's a 5 digit thing(Though I just squeeked in there) :D
So blame the editors for "ask slashdot". Those are never news (Though I enjoy most of them myself)
I'm kind of invested in Flickr for online photo organization and storage, and haven't yet tried Picasa. Flickr uses Picnik for photo editing but Flickr is owned by yahoo. Anyone think Flickr will dump Picnik or photo editing all together now that a competitor owns it ?
It's not what your phone can survive...
It's what you can convince the warranty folks of when you do break it!
Or get what you want from iTunes which is DRM free anyways.
Urea is used all the time in place of salt because it will melt ice without the corrosive effects of salt. Pretty much every airport on earth uses it to de-ice its runways already.
Ha I read your post after the announcement and was going to ask how you felt looking back, but you saw it!
Actually they will work fine, just not in EDGE mode.
Just to expand on what the AC said, most notably Wind Mobile is expanding in a few markets and all the newcomers are in the AWS band, which is the same as T-Mobile in the USA.
While Wind does not yet offer any of their own Android phones, there have been reports of people with Nexus One's etc working fine on their network.
Until you learn it, just use it as a normal trackpad. The only difference is the simplicity of not having extra buttons, just push down for a mouse click.
There is nothing there to confuse you, just options when you want to become more of a power user on that platform.
As the other posters said, some things are just better, at least for me.
:)
I have been using old small trackpads with seperate buttons and clitmice for almost as long as they have been around and I instantly felt the large glass trackpad with its multitouch and gestures was a much better system.
As for the iPhone, they have done some excellent things with UI that is now being emulated all over the place.
What resistive UI which needs a nail/stylus would you say has an equally good but different UI?
PalmOS is very old, but fairly easy to use, but nothing like picking up an iPhone or Android for the first time.
What is the other main one, Windows Mobile, and OS which has been thrashed about its horrible UI since it has existed?
Like he said, some things are just better