it's a bad comparision. you can go buy an HDD for the 360 - there's nothing you can buy to make the 40gb PS3 be backwards compat.
also, there's nothing stopping a developer from using the HDD to preload data when one exists.
this is just another desperate (and frankly dumbfounding) attempt by Sony especially when they threw 'limited backwards compat' in the xbox360's face because the PS3 was 'fully backwards compat'. the hubris exuding from Sony is amazing!
I wonder how Sony benefits more - either from milking PS2 sales or by trying to sell you PS2 games as downloads on the new crippled PS3? I really want a PS3 but Sony seems to be doing everything they can to discourage me. meh.
but it's a side point, not my original point. Why are all the replies to this focusing on the number of pixels in order to argue that no one should be counting pixels!??!! kind of ironic.
I said, "IF this were the HD Era then we should expect 1080p@60fps". What am I really saying here? surprise! I'm saying we are NOT in the HD Era currently - an Era has a large scope, not limited to 1 device. I am NOT trying to define what HD is.
ok, so what's really crazy is this: these obsessive/compulsive guys count pixels and find out that halo3 is 640p and not 720p and the first reaction is a bunch of dorks who whine that they are not seeing the whole picture. Then you get even bigger dorks who whine about the whiners! I think the pixel counting guys are doing all of us a great service. why? because Bungie wasn't going to tell us their game is 640p! don't you want to know that? even if it doesn't make a difference, don't you want to know? Furthermore, in response to the pixel counters, Bungie responds by telling us how and why they did it - more information that we would have otherwise NOT gotten! this is bad how? Im an engineer! I like to hear specs and numbers and details.
again, I applaud the pixel counters! Keep these greedy corp d-bags honest and keep the channel of information flowing! viva la info! ole!
wow, not sure you could pack any more unfounded assumptions in there if you tried. I'll try to ask all the questions you didn't bother to ask:
do I own Bioshock for 360? yes. Have I played it? yes. have I enjoyed it? yes. do I feel cheated by 2kBoston? no. do I feel like I've missed something on-screen? no. do I own halo3? yes. have I played it? yes. do I enjoy it? yes. do I own a 360? obviously. am I unsatisfied with the 360? no. were we promised by MS that all games must meet a few requirements before they can ship (MS controls what can be released or not, btw)? yes. have those requirements been met by 'all games' as promised? no. In regards to the games themselves, do I care? no. If MS makes claims and promises and then does not keep them, does that make a big difference in the world? no. Should the truth remain hidden or should it be exposed? exposed. give me 1 good reason why the truth should not be exposed.
it was Peter Moore's quote, not mine, so why be angry at ME when I haven't promised anything and I'm simply calling him on it. Blood-pact? hardly. Lies? definitely. And why lie? greed. I WAS PROMISED THE END OF THE AGE OF JAGGIES, DAMMIT!! RELEASE THE JAGGIES (and the Krakken)!!!!
look, the only thing I don't like is fraudulent marketing (which is especially rampant in the tech industry, let alone games industry) and unless people speak out, you're going to be sold the same snake oil over and over and over...
as far as someone agreeing with me, there's plenty on this page that have said it more eloquently than I. I'm not posting to get visibility to my opinion or to change anyone's mind (no one reads this deep on slashdot threads). But when I am insulted, I must defend myself and if the point I am making (that's what you do on this site, right?) is not understood, I must attempt to clarify. Please, direct me to where I have crossed a line deserving of your insults and rage - you must've had that bottled up for a while.
seriously, my point isn't rocket surgery, it's not over-the-top and it's certainly not anything that someone else hasn't already said. hate the game dude, not the playa.
heh, you're right, you're not retaining OR comprehending. anyway, you're arguing a different point than I am, you should start your own thread. I'm still on the same exact point, so not sure where I'm 'digging' to.
I don't have any problem with the developer, never said or even implied it. I have a problem with the lies that were spewed at 360 launch - it's not Bungie's fault that they can't get Halo3 to run in ANY HD res, it's the hardware.
again, here is Peter Moore's exact quote (I know it's alot to read neutron, but I think you can make it through):
PETER MOORE: So to create experiences that transform reality, well, that's really a lot to ask of any medium. To ensure that the next generation delivers, every game is built on what we call Essentials, a foundation of requirements every game must have before it can ship on the Xbox 360 platform. These essentials include a minimum of 720p high definition resolution to provide gamers with jaw-dropping visual clarity and fidelity. Many developers are already working on games in 1080i.
Every Xbox 360 game will be designed for high definition widescreen television and will support 16x9 aspect ratio to expand the storytelling canvas.
Let me just say very clearly: These games will also look amazing on standard definition TV.
In addition, Xbox 360 games will provide anti-aliasing that gets rid of what we call the jaggies. Well, you know what, with Xbox 360, the age of the jaggies is over, superseded by smooth, lifelike visuals of cinematic quality. you think they didn't know about limitations at this point? and if they didn't, why would you list specifics unless you know you're lying. And there's no accountability for it, at least not until someone counts the damn pixels. George Bush told us it wouldn't even cost 1 billion dollars to invade Iraq - are you going to go berserk on the guy who counts the dollars and finds it almost a trillian?
but then again I forget this is slashdot, where most of the posters got stellar scores on the math part of the SAT and the score you get for writing your name on the English part.
ok first of all, 720p=HD is not my definition. While there's an argument to be made to say that any res higher than 480 is 'HD', 720p is universally accepted as the first tier.
Secondly, when I think of an image being 'scaled' (in photoshop anyway), it is being made to fit a resolution other than native - it's like the difference between interpolated zoom and actual zoom - the interpolated is 'faked' by filling in missing pieces.
thirdly, games can do whatever they want and it's fine by me. the problem I have is that we were promised something different. this is a direct quote from Peter Moore when the 360 was to be released:
PETER MOORE: So to create experiences that transform reality, well, that's really a lot to ask of any medium. To ensure that the next generation delivers, every game is built on what we call Essentials, a foundation of requirements every game must have before it can ship on the Xbox 360 platform. These essentials include a minimum of 720p high definition resolution to provide gamers with jaw-dropping visual clarity and fidelity. Many developers are already working on games in 1080i.
Every Xbox 360 game will be designed for high definition widescreen television and will support 16x9 aspect ratio to expand the storytelling canvas.
Let me just say very clearly: These games will also look amazing on standard definition TV.
In addition, Xbox 360 games will provide anti-aliasing that gets rid of what we call the jaggies. Well, you know what, with Xbox 360, the age of the jaggies is over, superseded by smooth, lifelike visuals of cinematic quality. The age of jaggies is over? (cough!) all games are a minimum of 720p high definition resolution? (cough! halo3 and pgr4 cough!) Every Xbox 360 game will be designed for high definition widescreen television and will support 16x9 aspect ratio to expand the storytelling canvas? (cough! bioshock cough!)
what amazes me most is the lack of outrage, the lack of accountability and the number of slashdotters who don't get it.
you should look into improving your reading retention...
I'm not obsessing over pixel count, I'm obsessing over lies and undelivered promises. You shouldn't let them walk over you, or anyone else if you're feeling selfish and don't care if you're lied to.
>> It's vital that gamers nitpick about issues that they can't see with the naked eye
Although the image was blown up to make it easier, the pixels were counted the old fashioned way - with the naked eye! and for the record, you can see the difference between 640p and 720p - just like you can see the difference between 5 feet and 5 square feet.
>> especially if the game is a lot of fun!
not the point. at all. period. and yes, I am having fun with it too.
>> it's damned courageous to take shots across the bow of Microsoft
I made it pretty clear that I wasn't singling MS out. Sony is even more guilty, IMHO. Nintendo (this round) didn't do it, but they are guilty of other lies. It's a Marketing problem, not an 'MS is evil' problem.
>> implication that HD console gaming sucks
your inference, not my implication. I drank the koolaid and I'm loving it.
>> it's not like people have been complaining since the release of the 360 that most gamers don't even have 720p/1080i HDTVs yet...
again you missed the point. people are expecting at least 720p because IT WAS PROMISED!
nope sorry, I've been gaming since Atari2600... and besides your last sentence, your reply addresses a rant I did not make.
my point was to bring attention to the lies we're fed by the Marketing behind these consoles. you should be angry that a moon is promised and you get a pebble. what about all the people that invest in expensive equipment based on the lies they are fed. and forget the 'those people are rich anyway' argument, that's also beside the point.
maybe I over-reached by claiming to expect 60fps, but you read my comment for free while people paid $60 to find out it's not in HD as promised AND expected - yes, 640p is NOT HD (720p).
if you want to be taken advantage of, know you are being taken advantage of and become complacent about it because you're simply used to it, then you should be herded along with the rest of the sheeple.
We all know it's nit-picky to count pixels, but I am glad that someone called them on this. this 'NextGen' of consoles was supposed to be the HD-era of console gaming and here we are getting our corners cut secretly!
I remember Peter Moore saying that this generation will also eliminate the jaggies. the anti-aliasing is better in these new consoles but not enough to eliminate aliasing. The marketers can spout lies upon lies before release because no one ever calls them on it later, so I say GOOD JOB and KEEP IT UP!
so they cut corners to get a good frame rate. good grief! if this Gen of consoles were really the HD-era, then every game should be able to do 60fps at 1080p, period. I don't blame Bungie for this though, it's squarely MS's bucket of lies. Also, I am no Sony fanboy - for the PS3's price, it should have no jaggies and every game running 60fps at 1080p as well as my laundry. Guess we'll have to wait until next generation for the NextGen... until then, we're all suckers - albeit having fun with exceptional gameplay:)
um, most of the comments about 'rapists and murders' are comparing the sentencing, not the actual crime so it's not really a straw man argument.
This guy had a lot of illegal copies of software which he definitely should be punished for but he got raided because he was modding hardware - the software copies they found were extra icing. SHould this guy have gotton 90 days in prision for modding the hardware only? No, but he would have and that's wrong because modding and piracy are not mutually exclusive... at least not outside the DMCA.
in the 'old' days, it was difficult to get in trouble if you were not benefiting from the piracy you were engaged in. Big content providers and Developers/Publishers HATED this, so they yelled about it until the legislative branch heard it and now it doesn't matter if you make money or not.
while some people won't see a difference between making money off of this and being a Robin Hood type, I think the punishment should match the crime - making money should get you in more trouble. Believe it or not, there IS honor among thieves... well, at least for some of them.
Once you announce a future price cut, sales temporarily slow down
sales slow down even when there's a dangling price-cut carrot
they've painted themselves into a corner on this. They can't drop the price for fear of pissing off people (shareholders and early adopters) but they need to keep the idea of a price cut alive to not piss off those who want it but can't afford or justify buying. So they come up with other ways for you to justify: 'working more hours to afford one'.
Sony need to drop the over-inflated hubris and start thinking about their customers. I don't agree with them, but some industry pundits are already starting to count Sony out of this generation - I personally think it is too early.
I want one, but I won't get one until the price drops at least $200. See you in 2 years, Sony.
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you need a hug
Simply means games will appear more eye-candy than they currently are. Gameplay will not change.
it means more than simple eye candy. Since raytracing draws 'on the fly', when you put an 'old' raytrace-drawn game into newer hardware, it can be improved upon.
For example, take a PS1 game and put it into the PS2. they can do some cosmetic but minor improvements like bad antialiasing. But a raytraced game has the potential of arguably unlimited improvement. say bye-bye to dated graphics - a 'next-gen' console will upgrade your last-gen games. I find this very exciting!
Why IS Yee mad about this? a rated-M game is restricted to 17/18 years or older so young kids are still not 'allowed' to play it. Obviously he's not mad that 18 year old kids are now allowed to play it.
Yee is mad because he feels like he got pwned when that unconstitutional law was rolled back that he put in place in California. it's a grudge match and it's as petty as his laws.
Win98 - pass Win98 was NOT a pass... at least not for gamers who saw a huge increase in performance. in fact, there was a good 8-12 months where Win98 outperformed WinXP in gaming until the XP drivers caught up. Windows2000 was not an option for gamers until long after it's release and some issues still remain. of course win2000 was/is the best, IMHO.
they both restrict people who are 17 years and younger
"R" means "Restricted" - meaning restricted unless you are an adult. there's no difference there.
the hypocrisy is that movie theaters or retail stores have no problem showing/selling an R-rated movie while no retail outlets will carry an AO-rated game.
how the heck did this post get modded as 'interesting'?
apparently you only read the ps3 slashdot articles.
There's no love for MS around here:
"more advertising in your next Xbox game"
"xbox division posts $1.9 billion loss"
"For-Pay Demos Coming to Xbox Live?"
"The Man Who Went Through 11 Xbox 360s"
"Microsoft Sued Over Scratched Xbox 360 Discs"
and why don't you list any of the "pro" ps3 article names:
"Price Cut Leads To PS3, PSP Sales Boost"
"A Million PS3s Sold in Japan"
"PS3 Oblivion Approaching PC Quality Visuals"
anyway, this article doesn't imply doom or gloom for Lair, the early EGM review does. Leave the journalism to the journalists and stop trying to read between the lines, you'll only get hurt.
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um, this FA is about a new 40Gb PS3 that has NO backwards compatability... at. all.
now that you are up to speed, join the fray!
I couldn't agree more... Sony comes off as a scrambling and desperate...
it makes me want to wait until they figure out what the hell they are doing.
it's a bad comparision. you can go buy an HDD for the 360 - there's nothing you can buy to make the 40gb PS3 be backwards compat.
also, there's nothing stopping a developer from using the HDD to preload data when one exists.
this is just another desperate (and frankly dumbfounding) attempt by Sony especially when they threw 'limited backwards compat' in the xbox360's face because the PS3 was 'fully backwards compat'. the hubris exuding from Sony is amazing!
I wonder how Sony benefits more - either from milking PS2 sales or by trying to sell you PS2 games as downloads on the new crippled PS3? I really want a PS3 but Sony seems to be doing everything they can to discourage me. meh.
you're right, it is.
but it's a side point, not my original point. Why are all the replies to this focusing on the number of pixels in order to argue that no one should be counting pixels!??!! kind of ironic.
I said, "IF this were the HD Era then we should expect 1080p@60fps". What am I really saying here? surprise! I'm saying we are NOT in the HD Era currently - an Era has a large scope, not limited to 1 device. I am NOT trying to define what HD is.
ok, so what's really crazy is this: these obsessive/compulsive guys count pixels and find out that halo3 is 640p and not 720p and the first reaction is a bunch of dorks who whine that they are not seeing the whole picture. Then you get even bigger dorks who whine about the whiners! I think the pixel counting guys are doing all of us a great service. why? because Bungie wasn't going to tell us their game is 640p! don't you want to know that? even if it doesn't make a difference, don't you want to know? Furthermore, in response to the pixel counters, Bungie responds by telling us how and why they did it - more information that we would have otherwise NOT gotten! this is bad how? Im an engineer! I like to hear specs and numbers and details.
again, I applaud the pixel counters! Keep these greedy corp d-bags honest and keep the channel of information flowing! viva la info! ole!
are you ONLY capable of poorly constructed insults?
bring a point with you next time.
wow, not sure you could pack any more unfounded assumptions in there if you tried.
I'll try to ask all the questions you didn't bother to ask:
do I own Bioshock for 360? yes. Have I played it? yes. have I enjoyed it? yes. do I feel cheated by 2kBoston? no. do I feel like I've missed something on-screen? no. do I own halo3? yes. have I played it? yes. do I enjoy it? yes. do I own a 360? obviously. am I unsatisfied with the 360? no. were we promised by MS that all games must meet a few requirements before they can ship (MS controls what can be released or not, btw)? yes. have those requirements been met by 'all games' as promised? no. In regards to the games themselves, do I care? no. If MS makes claims and promises and then does not keep them, does that make a big difference in the world? no. Should the truth remain hidden or should it be exposed? exposed.
give me 1 good reason why the truth should not be exposed.
it was Peter Moore's quote, not mine, so why be angry at ME when I haven't promised anything and I'm simply calling him on it. Blood-pact? hardly. Lies? definitely. And why lie? greed. I WAS PROMISED THE END OF THE AGE OF JAGGIES, DAMMIT!! RELEASE THE JAGGIES (and the Krakken)!!!!
look, the only thing I don't like is fraudulent marketing (which is especially rampant in the tech industry, let alone games industry) and unless people speak out, you're going to be sold the same snake oil over and over and over...
as far as someone agreeing with me, there's plenty on this page that have said it more eloquently than I. I'm not posting to get visibility to my opinion or to change anyone's mind (no one reads this deep on slashdot threads). But when I am insulted, I must defend myself and if the point I am making (that's what you do on this site, right?) is not understood, I must attempt to clarify. Please, direct me to where I have crossed a line deserving of your insults and rage - you must've had that bottled up for a while.
seriously, my point isn't rocket surgery, it's not over-the-top and it's certainly not anything that someone else hasn't already said. hate the game dude, not the playa.
I don't have any problem with the developer, never said or even implied it. I have a problem with the lies that were spewed at 360 launch - it's not Bungie's fault that they can't get Halo3 to run in ANY HD res, it's the hardware.
again, here is Peter Moore's exact quote (I know it's alot to read neutron, but I think you can make it through): PETER MOORE: So to create experiences that transform reality, well, that's really a lot to ask of any medium. To ensure that the next generation delivers, every game is built on what we call Essentials, a foundation of requirements every game must have before it can ship on the Xbox 360 platform. These essentials include a minimum of 720p high definition resolution to provide gamers with jaw-dropping visual clarity and fidelity. Many developers are already working on games in 1080i. Every Xbox 360 game will be designed for high definition widescreen television and will support 16x9 aspect ratio to expand the storytelling canvas. Let me just say very clearly: These games will also look amazing on standard definition TV. In addition, Xbox 360 games will provide anti-aliasing that gets rid of what we call the jaggies. Well, you know what, with Xbox 360, the age of the jaggies is over, superseded by smooth, lifelike visuals of cinematic quality. you think they didn't know about limitations at this point? and if they didn't, why would you list specifics unless you know you're lying. And there's no accountability for it, at least not until someone counts the damn pixels. George Bush told us it wouldn't even cost 1 billion dollars to invade Iraq - are you going to go berserk on the guy who counts the dollars and finds it almost a trillian?
but then again I forget this is slashdot, where most of the posters got stellar scores on the math part of the SAT and the score you get for writing your name on the English part.
Secondly, when I think of an image being 'scaled' (in photoshop anyway), it is being made to fit a resolution other than native - it's like the difference between interpolated zoom and actual zoom - the interpolated is 'faked' by filling in missing pieces.
thirdly, games can do whatever they want and it's fine by me. the problem I have is that we were promised something different. this is a direct quote from Peter Moore when the 360 was to be released: PETER MOORE: So to create experiences that transform reality, well, that's really a lot to ask of any medium. To ensure that the next generation delivers, every game is built on what we call Essentials, a foundation of requirements every game must have before it can ship on the Xbox 360 platform. These essentials include a minimum of 720p high definition resolution to provide gamers with jaw-dropping visual clarity and fidelity. Many developers are already working on games in 1080i.
Every Xbox 360 game will be designed for high definition widescreen television and will support 16x9 aspect ratio to expand the storytelling canvas.
Let me just say very clearly: These games will also look amazing on standard definition TV.
In addition, Xbox 360 games will provide anti-aliasing that gets rid of what we call the jaggies. Well, you know what, with Xbox 360, the age of the jaggies is over, superseded by smooth, lifelike visuals of cinematic quality.
The age of jaggies is over? (cough!) all games are a minimum of 720p high definition resolution? (cough! halo3 and pgr4 cough!) Every Xbox 360 game will be designed for high definition widescreen television and will support 16x9 aspect ratio to expand the storytelling canvas? (cough! bioshock cough!)
what amazes me most is the lack of outrage, the lack of accountability and the number of slashdotters who don't get it.
you can lead a horse to the point, but you can't make him get it
ah what the heck - it's an issue about justice and truth, not about pixel counting!!
there's no accountability to their lies but pixel counting proves that we're being lied to. it's really not very complicated.
you should look into improving your reading retention...
I'm not obsessing over pixel count, I'm obsessing over lies and undelivered promises. You shouldn't let them walk over you, or anyone else if you're feeling selfish and don't care if you're lied to.
>> So Halo 3's internal framebuffer resolution should surely qualify.
it doesn't. 720p is the start of "HD". Halo3 has been confirmed at 640p. NOT HD
(sigh) ok I'll hold your hand on this one :)
>> It's vital that gamers nitpick about issues that they can't see with the naked eye
Although the image was blown up to make it easier, the pixels were counted the old fashioned way - with the naked eye!
and for the record, you can see the difference between 640p and 720p - just like you can see the difference between 5 feet and 5 square feet.
>> especially if the game is a lot of fun!
not the point. at all. period. and yes, I am having fun with it too.
>> it's damned courageous to take shots across the bow of Microsoft
I made it pretty clear that I wasn't singling MS out. Sony is even more guilty, IMHO. Nintendo (this round) didn't do it, but they are guilty of other lies. It's a Marketing problem, not an 'MS is evil' problem.
>> implication that HD console gaming sucks
your inference, not my implication. I drank the koolaid and I'm loving it.
>> it's not like people have been complaining since the release of the 360 that most gamers don't even have 720p/1080i HDTVs yet...
again you missed the point. people are expecting at least 720p because IT WAS PROMISED!
nope sorry, I've been gaming since Atari2600... and besides your last sentence, your reply addresses a rant I did not make.
my point was to bring attention to the lies we're fed by the Marketing behind these consoles. you should be angry that a moon is promised and you get a pebble. what about all the people that invest in expensive equipment based on the lies they are fed. and forget the 'those people are rich anyway' argument, that's also beside the point.
maybe I over-reached by claiming to expect 60fps, but you read my comment for free while people paid $60 to find out it's not in HD as promised AND expected - yes, 640p is NOT HD (720p).
if you want to be taken advantage of, know you are being taken advantage of and become complacent about it because you're simply used to it, then you should be herded along with the rest of the sheeple.
maybe if you didn't completely miss the point, you'd agree with me. don't worry, there were 2 others that couldn't wrap their head around it either.
We all know it's nit-picky to count pixels, but I am glad that someone called them on this. this 'NextGen' of consoles was supposed to be the HD-era of console gaming and here we are getting our corners cut secretly!
:)
I remember Peter Moore saying that this generation will also eliminate the jaggies. the anti-aliasing is better in these new consoles but not enough to eliminate aliasing. The marketers can spout lies upon lies before release because no one ever calls them on it later, so I say GOOD JOB and KEEP IT UP!
so they cut corners to get a good frame rate. good grief! if this Gen of consoles were really the HD-era, then every game should be able to do 60fps at 1080p, period. I don't blame Bungie for this though, it's squarely MS's bucket of lies. Also, I am no Sony fanboy - for the PS3's price, it should have no jaggies and every game running 60fps at 1080p as well as my laundry. Guess we'll have to wait until next generation for the NextGen... until then, we're all suckers - albeit having fun with exceptional gameplay
um, most of the comments about 'rapists and murders' are comparing the sentencing, not the actual crime so it's not really a straw man argument.
This guy had a lot of illegal copies of software which he definitely should be punished for but he got raided because he was modding hardware - the software copies they found were extra icing. SHould this guy have gotton 90 days in prision for modding the hardware only? No, but he would have and that's wrong because modding and piracy are not mutually exclusive... at least not outside the DMCA.
in the 'old' days, it was difficult to get in trouble if you were not benefiting from the piracy you were engaged in. Big content providers and Developers/Publishers HATED this, so they yelled about it until the legislative branch heard it and now it doesn't matter if you make money or not.
while some people won't see a difference between making money off of this and being a Robin Hood type, I think the punishment should match the crime - making money should get you in more trouble. Believe it or not, there IS honor among thieves... well, at least for some of them.
sales slow down even when there's a dangling price-cut carrot
they've painted themselves into a corner on this. They can't drop the price for fear of pissing off people (shareholders and early adopters) but they need to keep the idea of a price cut alive to not piss off those who want it but can't afford or justify buying. So they come up with other ways for you to justify: 'working more hours to afford one'.
Sony need to drop the over-inflated hubris and start thinking about their customers. I don't agree with them, but some industry pundits are already starting to count Sony out of this generation - I personally think it is too early.
I want one, but I won't get one until the price drops at least $200. See you in 2 years, Sony.
you need a hug
it means more than simple eye candy. Since raytracing draws 'on the fly', when you put an 'old' raytrace-drawn game into newer hardware, it can be improved upon.
For example, take a PS1 game and put it into the PS2. they can do some cosmetic but minor improvements like bad antialiasing. But a raytraced game has the potential of arguably unlimited improvement. say bye-bye to dated graphics - a 'next-gen' console will upgrade your last-gen games. I find this very exciting!
Why IS Yee mad about this? a rated-M game is restricted to 17/18 years or older so young kids are still not 'allowed' to play it. Obviously he's not mad that 18 year old kids are now allowed to play it.
Yee is mad because he feels like he got pwned when that unconstitutional law was rolled back that he put in place in California. it's a grudge match and it's as petty as his laws.
"R" and "AO" are the same thing
they both restrict people who are 17 years and younger
"R" means "Restricted" - meaning restricted unless you are an adult. there's no difference there.
the hypocrisy is that movie theaters or retail stores have no problem showing/selling an R-rated movie while no retail outlets will carry an AO-rated game.
I shudder to think what his wrath would entail... I mean, what is he liching?
how the heck did this post get modded as 'interesting'? apparently you only read the ps3 slashdot articles. There's no love for MS around here:
"more advertising in your next Xbox game"
"xbox division posts $1.9 billion loss"
"For-Pay Demos Coming to Xbox Live?"
"The Man Who Went Through 11 Xbox 360s"
"Microsoft Sued Over Scratched Xbox 360 Discs"
and why don't you list any of the "pro" ps3 article names:
"Price Cut Leads To PS3, PSP Sales Boost"
"A Million PS3s Sold in Japan"
"PS3 Oblivion Approaching PC Quality Visuals"
anyway, this article doesn't imply doom or gloom for Lair, the early EGM review does. Leave the journalism to the journalists and stop trying to read between the lines, you'll only get hurt.