The reason for the G4 problems is they are selling product they can't deliver because the hype is overtaking the reality. Other ethically-lapse businessmen would love to have such problems.
A few years ago, when Apple killed the cloners (of whom Motorola was one) Motorola took it in the pocketbook. As a result, they pretty much cancelled their plans to grow the market for "desktop-type" CPUs like the Power PC chip. Except for continuing to supply Apple. I don't feel like Motorola should shoulder any of the blame for this "crisis" that Apple brought on themselves by accepting massive numbers of pre-orders for product they didn't have any assurance would be available when promised.
I wish Motorola would just tell Apple to go to hell, because I really, really like Motorola's embedded chip products (like the little 'HC05 parts that someday could compete with the Pic chips if Motorola would get their sh*t together!) and want them to get stronger in that area.
Let Intel and AMD bloody themselves in the arena, Motorola. Just keep making the glue chips that holds the world together.
You can go to the domain of my primary email account, @freenet.msp.mn.us, that way. I like using it occasionally, it's a very geograpically bound email address. (some people get furious at the notion that ANYTHING on the net should be geographically bound. I feel as much as possible should be).
Businesses buy site licenses. They certainly don't pay the retail box price per seat. Plus, $500 is a trivial amount of money compared to the other expenses of having an employee who sits at a keyboard. They would easily absorb costs twice or three times that for switching to any other software (retraining and data conversion).
If you think MS fans are any different from Linux fans, BSD fans, Mac fans, etc., then drop by comp.os.linux.advocacy and see how the MS fans behave there.
Now hold on a minute there.
You're talking about the kind of creeps who hang out in.advocacy newsgroups. They're all the same, no matter what they're advocating.
I have come to the realization that there are a lot of people out there who jump onto whatever minority bandwagon (OS/2, the Mac, Amiga, nowadays Linux) they can, in order to be the "true believer" minority and feel superior for it.
A lot of Microsoft fans are people who just use the software, or write code to run on it. They're not likely to be found in an.advocacy newsgroup. A lot of Linux fans are the same.
If the hardware were free, I'd just buy a big 'chipper' machine (like they use to grind up scrapped cars) and grind up a few hundred thousand free keyboards (delivered from the factory for free!) any time I wanted some fill, instead of ordering a load of sand.
Think of the great highway underlay we could make out of one of those Beowulf clusters (to reverse the classic Slashdotism)
The problem I have with RedHat is all the handholding they code into all those Python scripts. I am NOT interested in any of it. I used Redhat 4.2 and 5.1 for awhile. Then ripped it all out and went back to the Slack.
I have five boxen plugged into one outlet, but monitors? Why would I need monitors on my basement server farm? (all 3 BSDs and Slackware represented in the pile-o-boxes)
And the extension cord they're hooked through is 8 gage.
I don't care about any of the other characters in Star Wars, the Next Degeneration. You can even kill off that bald captain guy, Luke Pickard. Lay off the hot sexy female security lady. Oh wait, they killed her anyway after the first year of TNG because she was a strong female character and wilted too many viewer's d*cks.
I saw the first Star Wars (Star Wars, The First Fscking Episode, before the grand renumbering) in 1977 and haven't felt the need to go back again. Maybe I'll go see Part 4 (renumbered as "Episode One" by that director, what's-his-name) someday, although I donwloaded all the trailers and saw enough that way (the SouthPark parody was the best version, BTW)
Senator Gorton represents the state that Microsoft is headquartered in. He represents the interests of the Microsoft employees. It is his job, and he takes it seriously, to represent them. Do you really think he was swayed by a $50,000 contribution? Do you really think he didn't already side with the interests of his region and it's citizens? Do you think that the money is a 'bribe' to betray those interests?
Yeah, yeah, someone who lives in Seattle who reads this will chime in with a comment about how Gorton isn't voting in favor of their interests... Did you vote? How come you didn't run against Gorton or support his opponent?
Windows hasn't forced me to get ever-faster hardware. I have Office 2000 installed with Windows 95 on my 486DX2-50 laptop (w/28 MB of RAM) and it runs fine.
I wouldn't try to create Powerpoint presentations on it, of course, and it's not my primary machine.
Games have "pushed the envelope" far more than Office apps have, though. People don't buy 3-D cards to build Powerpoint Presentations.
I use the little "mother earth" planet or whatever it is called. It's so much less annoying than the original paperclip. Its only available on Office 2000 though, not any of the earlier tries. I particularly like how it blows volcanoes when it REALLY wants my attention.
You think that Linux is waiting in the wings for it's cue, and then will leap out into the forefront and instantly become the desktop operating system of choice?!?
ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Surely you can't be serious. When you're making a funny, please be more clear.
Actually, Microsoft Basic was developed on a University computer (a PDP-10 I believe..) where it was strictly forbidden to be doing programming for commercial use. By Gates and Allen, long before DOS.
And Apple Computer was initially funded by blueboxing. Steve and Steve basically stole from the phone company (selling long distance services they had stolen to students, etc.) to fund the early development of Apple Computer.
So Gates and Allen stole CPU time to develop Microsoft Basic. Jobs and Wozniack stole from the phone company to raise the money to develop the Apple computer.
People steal company time all over the planet to develop Linux. Lots and lots of company time. And company bandwidth.
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. . . did relating to some under-17-year-old . . .
You must have missed that when you were blinking.
An old programmer friend I worked with a few years ago went to work on an embedded project that used the Motorola Dragonball processor.
They came to dislike it so much that they began referring to it as "the male dog without any back legs." Draggin' balls. Get it?
The reason for the G4 problems is they are selling product they can't deliver because the hype is overtaking the reality. Other ethically-lapse businessmen would love to have such problems.
A few years ago, when Apple killed the cloners (of whom Motorola was one) Motorola took it in the pocketbook. As a result, they pretty much cancelled their plans to grow the market for "desktop-type" CPUs like the Power PC chip. Except for continuing to supply Apple. I don't feel like Motorola should shoulder any of the blame for this "crisis" that Apple brought on themselves by accepting massive numbers of pre-orders for product they didn't have any assurance would be available when promised.
I wish Motorola would just tell Apple to go to hell, because I really, really like Motorola's embedded chip products (like the little 'HC05 parts that someday could compete with the Pic chips if Motorola would get their sh*t together!) and want them to get stronger in that area.
Let Intel and AMD bloody themselves in the arena, Motorola. Just keep making the glue chips that holds the world together.
That $594 savings is a bird in the bush.
The $2849 machine is a bird in the hand.
Your "University discount" also makes it an unfair comparison.
Oh geez, let's not go there.
If he wanted a "top of the line" system he'd order a Sparc Ultra something-or-other. Or an SGI. Whatever.
AMD sucks. (just my opinion- wanta buy a slightly used K6-2 mobo/processor??)
You can go to the domain of my primary email account, @freenet.msp.mn.us, that way. I like using it occasionally, it's a very geograpically bound email address. (some people get furious at the notion that ANYTHING on the net should be geographically bound. I feel as much as possible should be).
True, but when it was bought by Andover it should have been required to give up the .org name.
It seems clear to me.
Businesses buy site licenses. They certainly don't pay the retail box price per seat. Plus, $500 is a trivial amount of money compared to the other expenses of having an employee who sits at a keyboard. They would easily absorb costs twice or three times that for switching to any other software (retraining and data conversion).
If you think MS fans are any different from Linux fans, BSD fans, Mac fans, etc., then drop by comp.os.linux.advocacy and see how the MS fans behave there.
.advocacy newsgroups. They're all the same, no matter what they're advocating.
.advocacy newsgroup. A lot of Linux fans are the same.
Now hold on a minute there.
You're talking about the kind of creeps who hang out in
I have come to the realization that there are a lot of people out there who jump onto whatever minority bandwagon (OS/2, the Mac, Amiga, nowadays Linux) they can, in order to be the "true believer" minority and feel superior for it.
A lot of Microsoft fans are people who just use the software, or write code to run on it. They're not likely to be found in an
Yep.
If the hardware were free, I'd just buy a big 'chipper' machine (like they use to grind up scrapped cars) and grind up a few hundred thousand free keyboards (delivered from the factory for free!) any time I wanted some fill, instead of ordering a load of sand.
Think of the great highway underlay we could make out of one of those Beowulf clusters (to reverse the classic Slashdotism)
The problem I have with RedHat is all the handholding they code into all those Python scripts. I am NOT interested in any of it. I used Redhat 4.2 and 5.1 for awhile. Then ripped it all out and went back to the Slack.
Slackware is not for the pink. (Bob reference)
How about an .ISO image? Any of those out yet?
(I won't even ask if cdrom.com will provide one, of course. . .
I have five boxen plugged into one outlet, but monitors? Why would I need monitors on my basement server farm? (all 3 BSDs and Slackware represented in the pile-o-boxes)
And the extension cord they're hooked through is 8 gage.
Is it true that when R2-D2 dies it is reincarnated as a kitchen trash can? Or is that what it's reincarnated from?
I get so cornfused in these Star Trek threads.
I don't care about any of the other characters in Star Wars, the Next Degeneration. You can even kill off that bald captain guy, Luke Pickard. Lay off the hot sexy female security lady. Oh wait, they killed her anyway after the first year of TNG because she was a strong female character and wilted too many viewer's d*cks.
I saw the first Star Wars (Star Wars, The First Fscking Episode, before the grand renumbering) in 1977 and haven't felt the need to go back again. Maybe I'll go see Part 4 (renumbered as "Episode One" by that director, what's-his-name) someday, although I donwloaded all the trailers and saw enough that way (the SouthPark parody was the best version, BTW)
Kill off E.T. if that's necessary.
Lay off Scotty, he's nerd-material.
Nope.
The trial is not a wide-open fishing expedition. The scope of the trial is focused on a number of clear points.
If Microsoft wants to try to keep a bunch of fat lawyers from spending our tax dollars, it's their right to do so. In the open, and with impunity.
Where are all you Libertarians? Don't you see this is a move to eliminate another layer of that evile government you're always decrying?
Senator Gorton represents the state that Microsoft is headquartered in. He represents the interests of the Microsoft employees. It is his job, and he takes it seriously, to represent them. Do you really think he was swayed by a $50,000 contribution? Do you really think he didn't already side with the interests of his region and it's citizens? Do you think that the money is a 'bribe' to betray those interests?
Yeah, yeah, someone who lives in Seattle who reads this will chime in with a comment about how Gorton isn't voting in favor of their interests... Did you vote? How come you didn't run against Gorton or support his opponent?
Windows hasn't forced me to get ever-faster hardware. I have Office 2000 installed with Windows 95 on my 486DX2-50 laptop (w/28 MB of RAM) and it runs fine.
I wouldn't try to create Powerpoint presentations on it, of course, and it's not my primary machine.
Games have "pushed the envelope" far more than Office apps have, though. People don't buy 3-D cards to build Powerpoint Presentations.
PDF isn't owned by Adobe?
I always thought it was MORE owned by Adobe than Postscript.
No, the return type should be 'belch'
I ordered my "Cop" T-shirt, plus accompanying OpenBSD CD-ROM set, a few days ago.
I use the little "mother earth" planet or whatever it is called. It's so much less annoying than the original paperclip. Its only available on Office 2000 though, not any of the earlier tries. I particularly like how it blows volcanoes when it REALLY wants my attention.
You think that Linux is waiting in the wings for it's cue, and then will leap out into the forefront and instantly become the desktop operating system of choice?!?
ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Surely you can't be serious. When you're making a funny, please be more clear.
Actually, Microsoft Basic was developed on a University computer (a PDP-10 I believe..) where it was strictly forbidden to be doing programming for commercial use. By Gates and Allen, long before DOS.
And Apple Computer was initially funded by blueboxing. Steve and Steve basically stole from the phone company (selling long distance services they had stolen to students, etc.) to fund the early development of Apple Computer.
So Gates and Allen stole CPU time to develop Microsoft Basic. Jobs and Wozniack stole from the phone company to raise the money to develop the Apple computer.
People steal company time all over the planet to develop Linux. Lots and lots of company time. And company bandwidth.
We're all a bunch of dirty thieves, I guess.