It's a double edged sword. While you might filter out a lot of crap...you end up getting less of everything in general, I find. Some members just want to have fun and be able to spam and post stuff. When you crank down too tightly, you'll find that a lot of people won't post there. Then again, a lot of IDIOTS won't post there...so you have to inevitably decide which is worse.
I just have to ask this because no one apparently has yet in this thread...did you actually use XP when it came out? I mean honestly, did you? It took FOREVER for XP to have good driver support and that's only because newer stuff came out. Try and get that old ISA sound card you had working in 98 to work with XP...I'll tell you this...it's a hell of a lot of fun. Old hardware always gets phased out in every single version of Windows. That's how it always has been and how it always WILL be. Microsoft makes as many drivers as it can native and tells the manufacturers to take care of their own legacy stuff. It's simply not Microsoft's job. They have many more things to worry about. Vista isn't perfect but god damn, you people will find anything you can to whine about it. As I've said before...it's pretty much the exact same story we heard when XP came out. "Luna slowed everything down! They changed stuff! Wah, boo hoo, world's smallest violin, etc. etc." Never changes.
That's so true. I can close windows and stuff with blinding accuracy and without even LOOKING at the close button. Some may say they're obnoxiously huge, but I personally think they're well designed.:)
And no, I'm not a Microsoft fanboy or something. There are things here and there that they do in fact do well.
Actually that's not entirely true. I pretty much took the role of believing in God and not knowing any better until I was actually taught evolution back in high school. My parents had never really talked about it and we've all basically just been borderline religious kind of "sure I bet God exist" types. I'd assumed he did exist and knew nothing about evolution until I had a high school Biology class. I'm pretty sure if I hadn't, I wouldn't think the same things. You're taking away the right of children to have real...actual...SCIENCE taught to them instead of some borderline preacher teaching their SCIENCE class about Intelligent Design which is about the least scientific theory I can think of.
If you want to believe in that, go for it. Good for you. However, do NOT try and call it science. Keep your religion where it belongs. It does not belong in science.
And more to the point...when people can easily STORE 25GB of data for one movie. That's one of the reasons I like Blu-ray so much...the discs have MASSIVE storage capacity for a disc.
Thank you for that. It's nice to see someone that doesn't have his head up his ass. I see people saying that religious people are more moral left and right and it's always made me laugh. Your argument greatly aids the argument I've always used about how if you only do "moral" things because you're afraid of God, you're not really a very good person at all, now are you?
You sound exactly like what I'm describing. They said exactly...EXACTLY the same things about XP. Go look back. Luna made everything "bloated" on XP. You can turn that off in Vista just the same as XP. If you're going to endorse a past OS my MS, at least get it right and go back to Windows 2000.
See it's people like you that should be modded up. It's nice to see someone break away from the rampant fanboyism and take a real look at this kinda stuff. None of them are perfect and jumping up and down and screaming about Windows doesn't make it suck, it just makes you a jackass.:p
Most of the people who use Windows hate their computers. Ask how many of them would be happy to contribute to a fund to pay the legal fees of whoever takes out Redmond... among Windows users, Gates is more hated than Hillary.
Honestly, I really doubt this considering how many non-IT people there are that use Windows. Hell, I've been using computer since I was 7 and I know a fair bit...and I don't hate Windows or Bill Gates.:p I wouldn't say I LOVE them either though.
Thank you. Took the words right out of my mouth. People will find ANY reason to bitch about Sony even when they don't deserve it. You've got enough legitimate reasons to bitch about Sony so why the hell would you need to start reaching and making shit up?
You know, I'm honestly really tired of seeing this same lame ass rant over and over again in every single MS article. Kudos to you at least for keeping it relatively short. This happens EVERY SINGLE TIME Microsoft releases an new OS. They can't win, even if they DID write the best software known to man, and you know why? Legacy compatibility. You guys bitch when it doesn't work with your old shit and if it DOES work with your old shit, you bitch because the OS is bloated and runs like shit. There's a price for compatibility and if you think you have the easy and simple solution, you're probably wrong.
Every time one of these comes out there's someone ranting about the downfall of Microsoft and Windows and blah blah blah, and it never happens. They usually get Insightful mod points and everyone has a circle jerk over it. You've been doing it since Slashdot came into existence. It's ridiculous and it makes me laugh to see it keep happening over and over again and people don't even realize that they ARE doing it over and over again. Is Vista perfect? God no, not by any means. Is it a step down from XP? For the time being, perhaps. It has it's merits...I use it on a daily basis so I've got a pretty good leverage on the subject, unlike 90% of the people bitching who are using Linux at the moment and have spent all of 5 minutes on Vista. Shit changes from release to release...it happens. It sucks...it's annoying. It frustrates the hell out of me when they arbitrarily move things around just because they think it looks pretty. Was there a point in renaming "Add/Remove Programs" to "Program and Features" really? No...is the world going to come crashing down because of it? No probably not.
Also I keep seeing you guys whine about RAM usage...have none of you even read what the features of Vista are? It uses lots of RAM and caches your most frequently launched programs there...no matter what you are doing, you will always have high RAM usage...why are we even debating that? Furthermore, again, this happens every time they release an OS. It always requires better hardware. Trying to run it on an old piece of shit computer probably causes at least half of the problems we see. They can't forsee every conceivable hardware configuration...they just can't. It's impossible. I mean for christ's sake...Apple has problems too and they've got an EXTREMELY limited amount of hardware to accomodate for. What does that tell you? It tells you that it's REALLY hard to account for these things and if you think Linux does it so much better, I'd have to laugh at you. Linux still supports a laughable amount of hardware compared to Windows. Not necessarily Linux's fault, but it's still not there and people still have problems with it.
What I'm really trying to say here is that I really wish people would take a realistic and logical look at this kind of stuff. The rampant fanboyism disgusts me sometimes. If you like Linux, good for you. That's awesome. I like it too. I like Windows as well...for different reasons. They both have their merits...so does MacOSX (it's quite sexy I'll admit). Just because you like one thing though...does that mean you have to have fangasm and go apeshit about every competing product's flaws while completely ignoring the flaws of your favorite? Furthermore honestly...who even gives a shit? I'm sure most people here that aren't rabid fanboys are really getting sick of seeing the same shit like this over and over again, you know?
It really WOULD be nice if people knew what the hell they were talking about with this stuff. I almost wish scientists would just get together and consider changing the terminology so that the religious zealots running the country couldn't so easily dumb things down and get away with it. It's the media too, like someone previously said, but it's also the fact that people simply don't understand evolution nor do they even make an attempt to when they've got such cool catch phrases. People would rather hear, "It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!" than actually examine the issue of gay marriage just like they'd rather hear "Evolution is JUST a theory!" than actually check it out or even understand what that means.
What are you talking about...of course there is an option to save in an older format...are you blind? You do it the same way you've done it with EVERY version of Office...in the File -> Save As... dialog.
For crying out loud, they're not perfect, but at least put up some effort to fixing your problems. Contrary to popular belief, Linux does not "just work" either...sometimes you actually have to figure things out for yourself or do a couple Google searches. It's not rocket science and it gets annoying to see people like you constantly bitching about Vista because you don't want to take 20 seconds to figure out a way to do something.
As for Office 2007's moving everything around, yeah, I definitely get why that would be annoying. On the other hand it takes about 5 minutes to find most of what you use in the program and once you get used to it, you'll find it actually is quite productive. I like the ribbon, personally, but to each their own.
As for numbers 1 and 2, well...you're lazy. Number 1 is the same process for XP and 2000 as well, so I really don't know why you're complaining. Number 2, yeah that actually is kind of retarded, as for turning it off, again, you're lazy. It takes literally like 2 minuets to find how and then turn off UAC.
Again, all this bitching seems rather asinine considering that Linux can be just as much of a pain in the ass depending.
I'd love to run anything over port 80, except that, unless you pay for a business line, no ISP offers an unblocked port 80. It just doesn't happen. They all have policies against servers so they block port 80 coming in...so that's not even possible. Of course you could still use standard ports going IN, but then everyone would have a crappy upload and you wouldn't be much better off.
I highly doubt they planned putting the overlays anywhere but the center of the eye. If they're intelligent enough to make the thing, I'd have to assume they have someone there smart enough to tell them where it's going to work.;)
I get the privacy concerns, because if places are allowed to abuse it and track all their drivers, they will, but the stuff they are adding on seems really cool to me. They'd be able to take credit cards AND have GPS services to navigate better...I mean...that sounds like a really good idea to me and they justified it pretty well saying that the cabbies get better tips and longer rides.
The only thing that would make this not completely retarded would be if the feature was in fact optional. If it's something you can turn off, then good. If it's something they force on you...that is quite possibly the worst idea I've heard of for a portable music player.
Dell has finally hit rock bottom. I thought they were already there when their PCs were some of the worst PCs on the market and their tech support was attrocious, but now they are going to sell PCs at Walmart.
They had such promise when they first started out and now look where they are. Walmart. Oh well, I build all my own computers anyway. I'll just start telling people to buy Compaq, HP, or like...Alienware or something. Hell, if they want to, I'd build computers for my friends.:p
That's NOT a high end computer? Jesus christ. I'd hate to see what you throw away...well actually...I'd love to dig around in your garbage cans and find it, but that's another matter.
Yeah, I work in tech support too. When you get really good, there's a point where you don't even need to ask any more questions. People call in all the time saying the same things and you can usually find the problem right away. Hell, I've gotten plenty of calls where you just see that this same person has called 8 times before for the same thing and you automatically start looking it up. What helps US is when you simply shut the fuck up and do what we tell you to. We don't give a rat's ass who you are, what you know, or any of that shit. Answer our questions truthfully and do what we ask EXACTLY. Do not deviate from any intructions given. If we told you to do something, it's for a god damn reason. I can't TELL you how many times I've told someone a specific thing to do (hit enter) and they went and did it 50 times and went pass a setting we were looking for or I told them some steps and they missed one and fucked something up big time. Also, lying and saying you did something (like unplugging the device) when you haven't is not going to help either. If you haven't done something and we're asking if you have...tell us you haven't done it...we're asking you for a reason.
You know you've got an idiot on the other end (when you're a customer) when they DO take you through ten thousand steps. You can usually tell that it's a new person and they have to go through those 8 thousand steps because they have no idea what is wrong and are just following the preworked steps without understanding why they are doing them.
Basically, a when you get someone good on the other line, they won't josh you around with bullshit, they'll get right to the problem, because they understand what those flow charts mean and what steps can be skipped.
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It's a double edged sword. While you might filter out a lot of crap...you end up getting less of everything in general, I find. Some members just want to have fun and be able to spam and post stuff. When you crank down too tightly, you'll find that a lot of people won't post there. Then again, a lot of IDIOTS won't post there...so you have to inevitably decide which is worse.
I just have to ask this because no one apparently has yet in this thread...did you actually use XP when it came out? I mean honestly, did you? It took FOREVER for XP to have good driver support and that's only because newer stuff came out. Try and get that old ISA sound card you had working in 98 to work with XP...I'll tell you this...it's a hell of a lot of fun. Old hardware always gets phased out in every single version of Windows. That's how it always has been and how it always WILL be. Microsoft makes as many drivers as it can native and tells the manufacturers to take care of their own legacy stuff. It's simply not Microsoft's job. They have many more things to worry about. Vista isn't perfect but god damn, you people will find anything you can to whine about it. As I've said before...it's pretty much the exact same story we heard when XP came out. "Luna slowed everything down! They changed stuff! Wah, boo hoo, world's smallest violin, etc. etc." Never changes.
That's so true. I can close windows and stuff with blinding accuracy and without even LOOKING at the close button. Some may say they're obnoxiously huge, but I personally think they're well designed. :)
And no, I'm not a Microsoft fanboy or something. There are things here and there that they do in fact do well.
Actually that's not entirely true. I pretty much took the role of believing in God and not knowing any better until I was actually taught evolution back in high school. My parents had never really talked about it and we've all basically just been borderline religious kind of "sure I bet God exist" types. I'd assumed he did exist and knew nothing about evolution until I had a high school Biology class. I'm pretty sure if I hadn't, I wouldn't think the same things. You're taking away the right of children to have real...actual...SCIENCE taught to them instead of some borderline preacher teaching their SCIENCE class about Intelligent Design which is about the least scientific theory I can think of.
If you want to believe in that, go for it. Good for you. However, do NOT try and call it science. Keep your religion where it belongs. It does not belong in science.
And more to the point...when people can easily STORE 25GB of data for one movie. That's one of the reasons I like Blu-ray so much...the discs have MASSIVE storage capacity for a disc.
Thank you for that. It's nice to see someone that doesn't have his head up his ass. I see people saying that religious people are more moral left and right and it's always made me laugh. Your argument greatly aids the argument I've always used about how if you only do "moral" things because you're afraid of God, you're not really a very good person at all, now are you?
You sound exactly like what I'm describing. They said exactly...EXACTLY the same things about XP. Go look back. Luna made everything "bloated" on XP. You can turn that off in Vista just the same as XP. If you're going to endorse a past OS my MS, at least get it right and go back to Windows 2000.
See it's people like you that should be modded up. It's nice to see someone break away from the rampant fanboyism and take a real look at this kinda stuff. None of them are perfect and jumping up and down and screaming about Windows doesn't make it suck, it just makes you a jackass. :p
Thank you. Took the words right out of my mouth. People will find ANY reason to bitch about Sony even when they don't deserve it. You've got enough legitimate reasons to bitch about Sony so why the hell would you need to start reaching and making shit up?
And furthermore...what does it matter? If they can make a 3 layer HD-DVD, they can make a 3 layer Blu-ray so the point is moot.
You know, I'm honestly really tired of seeing this same lame ass rant over and over again in every single MS article. Kudos to you at least for keeping it relatively short. This happens EVERY SINGLE TIME Microsoft releases an new OS. They can't win, even if they DID write the best software known to man, and you know why? Legacy compatibility. You guys bitch when it doesn't work with your old shit and if it DOES work with your old shit, you bitch because the OS is bloated and runs like shit. There's a price for compatibility and if you think you have the easy and simple solution, you're probably wrong.
Every time one of these comes out there's someone ranting about the downfall of Microsoft and Windows and blah blah blah, and it never happens. They usually get Insightful mod points and everyone has a circle jerk over it. You've been doing it since Slashdot came into existence. It's ridiculous and it makes me laugh to see it keep happening over and over again and people don't even realize that they ARE doing it over and over again. Is Vista perfect? God no, not by any means. Is it a step down from XP? For the time being, perhaps. It has it's merits...I use it on a daily basis so I've got a pretty good leverage on the subject, unlike 90% of the people bitching who are using Linux at the moment and have spent all of 5 minutes on Vista. Shit changes from release to release...it happens. It sucks...it's annoying. It frustrates the hell out of me when they arbitrarily move things around just because they think it looks pretty. Was there a point in renaming "Add/Remove Programs" to "Program and Features" really? No...is the world going to come crashing down because of it? No probably not.
Also I keep seeing you guys whine about RAM usage...have none of you even read what the features of Vista are? It uses lots of RAM and caches your most frequently launched programs there...no matter what you are doing, you will always have high RAM usage...why are we even debating that? Furthermore, again, this happens every time they release an OS. It always requires better hardware. Trying to run it on an old piece of shit computer probably causes at least half of the problems we see. They can't forsee every conceivable hardware configuration...they just can't. It's impossible. I mean for christ's sake...Apple has problems too and they've got an EXTREMELY limited amount of hardware to accomodate for. What does that tell you? It tells you that it's REALLY hard to account for these things and if you think Linux does it so much better, I'd have to laugh at you. Linux still supports a laughable amount of hardware compared to Windows. Not necessarily Linux's fault, but it's still not there and people still have problems with it.
What I'm really trying to say here is that I really wish people would take a realistic and logical look at this kind of stuff. The rampant fanboyism disgusts me sometimes. If you like Linux, good for you. That's awesome. I like it too. I like Windows as well...for different reasons. They both have their merits...so does MacOSX (it's quite sexy I'll admit). Just because you like one thing though...does that mean you have to have fangasm and go apeshit about every competing product's flaws while completely ignoring the flaws of your favorite? Furthermore honestly...who even gives a shit? I'm sure most people here that aren't rabid fanboys are really getting sick of seeing the same shit like this over and over again, you know?
It really WOULD be nice if people knew what the hell they were talking about with this stuff. I almost wish scientists would just get together and consider changing the terminology so that the religious zealots running the country couldn't so easily dumb things down and get away with it. It's the media too, like someone previously said, but it's also the fact that people simply don't understand evolution nor do they even make an attempt to when they've got such cool catch phrases. People would rather hear, "It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!" than actually examine the issue of gay marriage just like they'd rather hear "Evolution is JUST a theory!" than actually check it out or even understand what that means.
What are you talking about...of course there is an option to save in an older format...are you blind? You do it the same way you've done it with EVERY version of Office...in the File -> Save As... dialog.
For crying out loud, they're not perfect, but at least put up some effort to fixing your problems. Contrary to popular belief, Linux does not "just work" either...sometimes you actually have to figure things out for yourself or do a couple Google searches. It's not rocket science and it gets annoying to see people like you constantly bitching about Vista because you don't want to take 20 seconds to figure out a way to do something.
As for Office 2007's moving everything around, yeah, I definitely get why that would be annoying. On the other hand it takes about 5 minutes to find most of what you use in the program and once you get used to it, you'll find it actually is quite productive. I like the ribbon, personally, but to each their own.
As for numbers 1 and 2, well...you're lazy. Number 1 is the same process for XP and 2000 as well, so I really don't know why you're complaining. Number 2, yeah that actually is kind of retarded, as for turning it off, again, you're lazy. It takes literally like 2 minuets to find how and then turn off UAC.
Again, all this bitching seems rather asinine considering that Linux can be just as much of a pain in the ass depending.
I'd love to run anything over port 80, except that, unless you pay for a business line, no ISP offers an unblocked port 80. It just doesn't happen. They all have policies against servers so they block port 80 coming in...so that's not even possible. Of course you could still use standard ports going IN, but then everyone would have a crappy upload and you wouldn't be much better off.
I highly doubt they planned putting the overlays anywhere but the center of the eye. If they're intelligent enough to make the thing, I'd have to assume they have someone there smart enough to tell them where it's going to work. ;)
You wouldn't pay 30 dollars for Half Life 2 Episode 2? What do you want them to do, give it to you for free...why...oh wait...hey...they are. LOL!
I get the privacy concerns, because if places are allowed to abuse it and track all their drivers, they will, but the stuff they are adding on seems really cool to me. They'd be able to take credit cards AND have GPS services to navigate better...I mean...that sounds like a really good idea to me and they justified it pretty well saying that the cabbies get better tips and longer rides.
Actually, software patents in general shouldn't be allowed, but that will keep happening until the end of time, I'm sure.
The only thing that would make this not completely retarded would be if the feature was in fact optional. If it's something you can turn off, then good. If it's something they force on you...that is quite possibly the worst idea I've heard of for a portable music player.
The PS2 was equally as huge at launch...I don't really see how that's even a valid point...
Someone in our government made a rational decision that actually helps us? I'm actually pretty impressed by this.
Dell has finally hit rock bottom. I thought they were already there when their PCs were some of the worst PCs on the market and their tech support was attrocious, but now they are going to sell PCs at Walmart.
:p
They had such promise when they first started out and now look where they are. Walmart. Oh well, I build all my own computers anyway. I'll just start telling people to buy Compaq, HP, or like...Alienware or something. Hell, if they want to, I'd build computers for my friends.
That's NOT a high end computer? Jesus christ. I'd hate to see what you throw away...well actually...I'd love to dig around in your garbage cans and find it, but that's another matter.
Yeah, I work in tech support too. When you get really good, there's a point where you don't even need to ask any more questions. People call in all the time saying the same things and you can usually find the problem right away. Hell, I've gotten plenty of calls where you just see that this same person has called 8 times before for the same thing and you automatically start looking it up. What helps US is when you simply shut the fuck up and do what we tell you to. We don't give a rat's ass who you are, what you know, or any of that shit. Answer our questions truthfully and do what we ask EXACTLY. Do not deviate from any intructions given. If we told you to do something, it's for a god damn reason. I can't TELL you how many times I've told someone a specific thing to do (hit enter) and they went and did it 50 times and went pass a setting we were looking for or I told them some steps and they missed one and fucked something up big time. Also, lying and saying you did something (like unplugging the device) when you haven't is not going to help either. If you haven't done something and we're asking if you have...tell us you haven't done it...we're asking you for a reason.
You know you've got an idiot on the other end (when you're a customer) when they DO take you through ten thousand steps. You can usually tell that it's a new person and they have to go through those 8 thousand steps because they have no idea what is wrong and are just following the preworked steps without understanding why they are doing them.
Basically, a when you get someone good on the other line, they won't josh you around with bullshit, they'll get right to the problem, because they understand what those flow charts mean and what steps can be skipped.