It seems to me that much of the conversation about Operation Systems and software in general centers on this versus that. . . Think automobiles! Maybe there is not a perfect solution because there is not just one problem. Different Lniux distributions do exactly what no one company can. They provide a diverse audience with solutions to diverse problems.
Conquest aside. . . I love the fact that for the different wants and needs I have options. Driving Linux as a whole into a single line or driving the desktop options into a Microsoft like model is misguided. Sure maybe some distros and desktops should work to meet the needs of the majority of average desktop users but should they all? I sure hope not. The Linux community, Microsoft Community, Mac OS X community, Sun Solaris Community and so on can all be very happy with their product and can all be right. We do not have to impress them and they do not have to impress us (whoever they and us are). But the minute we all try to impress everyone then we become a colorless, flavorless mass and that would be terribly disappointing. No one has to dethrown anyone else to succeed. KDE = Good / Windows = Good / Mac OS = Good / Unix (All Flavors) = Good. . .
People hate Microsoft because they are American and they represent big business. The result is that people look at them and their products and say 'So and so does X. Why can't Microsoft?" Yet at the same time people use their products? I would argue that people hate Microsoft for the same reasons people hate America. I hate them because last time I called support I was routed to India and couldn't get someone who could actually help me. If I am on my own and can't get support then I may as well go with Gentoo. Then at least I am in control!
We are seeing the global results of applying assembly line practices to education. It makes no difference what country we are talking about. The only reason this is such a hot topic is because the US Technology Czar and the businesses he is in bed with want the US to believe India is being chosen for out sourcing because of "More Skilled" employees. In fact we will likely find out that we are all pretty similar and that one group is chosen over the other for money reasons and to support the desire of executives to make 300x and 400x what the rest of us make. When do we outsource our executive positions to India to our similarly skilled and yet less expensive collegues?
Corporation is not equivalent to small business. Small = size description while Corporation = Legal Status. If you go by common definitions of "small business" and remove all of those with incorporation status you end up with far fewer than 80% of jobs. At the same time you end up with jobs that provide lower average wages, more costly average healthcare and yet generally higher prices to the public for both durable and non-durable goods.
As far as "innovation" is concerned I am not sure how you measure that so I am not going to argue that. So go ahead and champion the Smaller, lower paying and more expensive businesses. I choose larger, better paying business that provides lower cost goods and services.
Blah Blah Blah. Big corporations have done far more for you than the small businesses. You want to bash corporations and yet suckle the teet they provide. I call FOUL! If you do not like corporations then get off your computer, get off the internet and move to a country without corporations. They will love you and your insight in the third world.
I am not interested in a flame war so I will refrain from poking at you as "liar."
Sorry, but our death and torture schools and camps all over central America, Eastern Europe, and the Arab world prove you to be a liar.
I would highly advise you to read your history books. Don't forget the part about WWII. This was the time where a Democratic president signed the legislation to intern Japanese Americans. Many lost homes, died due to conditions and were horribly mistreated. Should we even discuss where a democrat built the atom bomb? Or maybe where a democrat authorized the ONLY EVER dropping of atomic weapons? I can throw rhetorical examples at you all day.
The K Street project which institutionalized bribery and corruption as the third house of congress prove you to be a liar.
Are you kidding me? You seriously think the K Street project was what institutionalized bribery? Lobbying is crooked from the top down. BOTH parties! The K street project was put in place to counterbalance the very thing it did foster. CORRUPTION!!! You seriously think that democrats are sitting on the sidelines and the republicans are the only hands greased by lobbyists. WAY before the K Street project look up some history on trade unions. Traditionally they back democrats and traditionally they are ripe with murder, bribery, corruption and organized crime. I could throw 100 examples at you of scandals and bribery between democrats and trade unions. Think Jimmy Hoffa. . . Trade Unions are the democrats corporation. The democrats get a chance to act high and mighty as if they are for the little man AND YET still get the money and perks.
Yes, theyre all slimeballs but there is no competition whatsoever if for no other reason than that the Democrats just aren't as good at treason and corruption as the Republicans are.
No they are all crooked. They all lack moral direction and they all try to use rhetoric to divide you and I. Divide and conquer my friend. It is a good way to rule. It is a very bad way to be ruled.
If you really can't see a massive difference in scale, then you had better send your moral compass back to Cracker Jack because it's badly broken.
My moral compass did not come from a candy box thanks. My moral compass says the lesser of two evils is still evil. Whether one party or the other is a bit less evil looking on the surface I still know I can't trust them. Both parties are so closely matched in their lack of ethics and morality that I really can't tell the difference. But the moral compass is fine because it still tells me both sides are wrong.
I made it all the way through without calling you a liar or even saying you were lacking in moral and ethical direction. That is because I am not judging you. Take a moment and digest that. Try it on for size when you disagree with someone.
It is indeed interresting. They are all slimeballs. Both sides raise very similar volumes of cash in vary similar ways. Neither is more or less corrupt than the other. It is always the party in the forefront that takes the heat at any given time. Yet in the shadows of that the other party is making the same deals. If you believe either party has somehow maintained a morale high ground you are being misled.
It is very sad Google would put money in the banks of these sorts of people. Even if their intent is good. ..I do not believe the ends justify the means.
I don't know who is more dangerous, the "Islamofascists" who are behind terrorism or the Neocons who are willing and able to give away all of our Constitutional rights and freedoms.
Wow what a dramatization! You do not know who is more dangerous? I do not agree with our governments move but I also think the dramatic reaction does not further the useful debate. It just serves as polarizing rhetoric.
I use FreeDOS to breathe life back into used industrial equipment. Much of the equipment used DOS or some embedded variant and FreeDOS has helped me to help a variety of struggling businesses in Europe and North America to use good equipment that may have otherwise been too expensive to bring back to life.
|Is it a basic right to be allowed to receive e-mail from whomever |I desire, or does Comcast have the right to censor as they wish?"
I am not sure we have a "right" to broadband but I wont get off track on that. . .
Good grief! With all the solutions out there the best thing they can come up with is this? Sounds like they need to get some different people on the spam team!
There is more technical information available in many libraries than ever before. The move to close these libraries is a cost cutting move alone. To call it Orwellian is ridiculous. I would venture a guess that more people make use of other resources that compete for the same money.
The Bush bashing is getting tiresome. Every president has made some decisions that are unpopular. If we saw government constantly grow without some cutbacks the eventual weight of the government would be more than we can handle. Consider the political motives the source of this information has for being SOOO alarmist.
If you ask me the rhetoric is too thick on both sides. Boil this one down to the faces. . .
Technical Library = Generally expensive to run Technical Library = Very few users Technical Library = Very narrow in scope intentionally
Maybe environmental Technical Libraries are best funded by state and other money and not federal. Not only are these libraries expensive by nature but they do not benefit any significant portion of the population and are not in every state. I have no interest in paying for these. So to say this is Bush damaging the nation is only one side of this coin. Maybe it is Bush protecting the interests of those who do not want to be taxed into submission to provide money for Technical Libraries they do not and will not benefit from.
Just consider the very narrow scope of these libraries, consider where other libraries have to get funding and consider whether you would rather see the funding come from somewhere else? Then think about how you would (as president) solve the same problem. It is likely you would cut funding because asking for money from somewhere else cloearly will not work because the people who are complaining about this sure are not going to step up and keep these libraries open!
Being a long time aquarist I have my own opinions as well. Upwelling and a combination of other factors do cause this in a variety of places globally. This is not unique to this area of Oregon.
What is unique is the extremity and scale. That is what is puzzling. The news media has reported it as if this situation in whole is unheard of. It is not at all unheard of. But this scale and the extremely low and dropping Oxygen levels are unique and alarming.
The thing that concerns me most about this would be the potential application in reviving disco. Then comes roller disco and then Kryogenics is used to bring back the decesed members of the Gibb family. AND IT ALL STARTS with the sequins for the digital age.
Has anyone thought that the "exploding" batteries are a terrorist trick? They are not batteries they are IEDs! Ok so maybe the notion about cooling is far more viable!
Come on we are in a forum where speed is measured in ms. A month is something around E ms. E? Dogone calculator.:-)
The modern investor is a pretty short sighted one. The pump and dump is the wave of the future and the brokers love it. How else can they make constant profits (most work on payment for trading not holding)?
I agree looking at a 30 stock price / 30 market cap does not say much.
Or opt for whole drive encryption and just eat the key if someone wants the contents!:-)
On this note it is useful to use full drive encryption when sensative data is on a drive because even if you "erase" data a motivated individual or government (more likely) can recover much of that data. So why not make them jump through another hoop and make them spend some MIPS on trying to crack the encrption on a drive that they can't recover all of!
US Bashing! I do not believe regulation would change the fact that we have a very different population distribution and geography. I have 12Meg DSL here in the US and I am not limited or capped so I do not think I am doing all that bad!
The US is a big, spread out and geographically challenging landscape for copper, fiber and wireless services. This is no excuse for the incompetence and greed demonstrated by the telcos and ISPs here but I am not sure regulation is the solution. How about more intelligent consumer behavior?
As for healthcare. . . I am not sure Cuba is the Utopia you believe it is. Besides it is much easier to do something on a small scale than a large one. IE - Socialized healthcare would work in Hawaii.
Yes the active person with solutions and a practical approach might try to change what they feel is wrong instead of giving up and leaving for such utopian societies as Germany!
I agree there is ground to be gained in education. I have no doubt about that. However. . . The ability to read above a 7th grade level has practical applications in our everyday lives. I am not convinced the study of evolution is quite so pragmatic. If we spent more time, effort and money on reading and other fundamentals and less of the time and money studying important but less pragmatic putsuits (evolution) we might make strides in the more practical areas of education. I do not think that these are mutually exclusive but we have to admit that we only have so much time and money.
Summary: People who do not study evolution are not suitable for "high caliber" education.
I agree and disagree. I agree that the study of evolution is important. So are many other aspects of science.
On the flip side. . . Rejecting students because of a single issue / single theory / single area reflects exactly what is wrong with our education system and our nation as a whole.
Complete disgregard of a student on a single criterion is short sighted. There are great scientists who have had little background with evolution. That is no indicator that they are flawed or have some broken logic that segregates them from the rest of society and higher education. To reject a student based on this one criteria indicates your logic is flawed and you are as limited in understanding education as you claim others may be regarding science.
How can we foster an educated public that innovates and invents if we slap them with a mandate that they must study and accept everything that we accept now? Innovation is discovery and challenging what we think we know now. If we had not challenged hard science at one point the world would still be flat.
Again the flip side. . . How can we innovate and challenge something if we turn our back on it and refuse to discuss it? This is the same logic that prompted religous institutions to execute people because of their notions on whether the Earth was the center of the universe or not.
We must study evolution as much as we need to study Psychology and Sociology BUT we need to stop being so polarized about it. Denying someone education because they lack a background in a single area is the complete opposite of the other side and both are equally wrong.
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It seems to me that much of the conversation about Operation Systems and software in general centers on this versus that. . . Think automobiles! Maybe there is not a perfect solution because there is not just one problem. Different Lniux distributions do exactly what no one company can. They provide a diverse audience with solutions to diverse problems.
Conquest aside. . . I love the fact that for the different wants and needs I have options. Driving Linux as a whole into a single line or driving the desktop options into a Microsoft like model is misguided. Sure maybe some distros and desktops should work to meet the needs of the majority of average desktop users but should they all? I sure hope not. The Linux community, Microsoft Community, Mac OS X community, Sun Solaris Community and so on can all be very happy with their product and can all be right. We do not have to impress them and they do not have to impress us (whoever they and us are). But the minute we all try to impress everyone then we become a colorless, flavorless mass and that would be terribly disappointing. No one has to dethrown anyone else to succeed. KDE = Good / Windows = Good / Mac OS = Good / Unix (All Flavors) = Good. . .
People hate Microsoft because they are American and they represent big business. The result is that people look at them and their products and say 'So and so does X. Why can't Microsoft?" Yet at the same time people use their products? I would argue that people hate Microsoft for the same reasons people hate America. I hate them because last time I called support I was routed to India and couldn't get someone who could actually help me. If I am on my own and can't get support then I may as well go with Gentoo. Then at least I am in control!
We are seeing the global results of applying assembly line practices to education. It makes no difference what country we are talking about. The only reason this is such a hot topic is because the US Technology Czar and the businesses he is in bed with want the US to believe India is being chosen for out sourcing because of "More Skilled" employees. In fact we will likely find out that we are all pretty similar and that one group is chosen over the other for money reasons and to support the desire of executives to make 300x and 400x what the rest of us make. When do we outsource our executive positions to India to our similarly skilled and yet less expensive collegues?
Corporation is not equivalent to small business. Small = size description while Corporation = Legal Status. If you go by common definitions of "small business" and remove all of those with incorporation status you end up with far fewer than 80% of jobs. At the same time you end up with jobs that provide lower average wages, more costly average healthcare and yet generally higher prices to the public for both durable and non-durable goods.
As far as "innovation" is concerned I am not sure how you measure that so I am not going to argue that. So go ahead and champion the Smaller, lower paying and more expensive businesses. I choose larger, better paying business that provides lower cost goods and services.
Blah Blah Blah. Big corporations have done far more for you than the small businesses. You want to bash corporations and yet suckle the teet they provide. I call FOUL! If you do not like corporations then get off your computer, get off the internet and move to a country without corporations. They will love you and your insight in the third world.
I am not interested in a flame war so I will refrain from poking at you as "liar."
Sorry, but our death and torture schools and camps all over central America, Eastern Europe, and the Arab world prove you to be a liar.
I would highly advise you to read your history books. Don't forget the part about WWII. This was the time where a Democratic president signed the legislation to intern Japanese Americans. Many lost homes, died due to conditions and were horribly mistreated. Should we even discuss where a democrat built the atom bomb? Or maybe where a democrat authorized the ONLY EVER dropping of atomic weapons? I can throw rhetorical examples at you all day.
The K Street project which institutionalized bribery and corruption as the third house of congress prove you to be a liar.
Are you kidding me? You seriously think the K Street project was what institutionalized bribery? Lobbying is crooked from the top down. BOTH parties! The K street project was put in place to counterbalance the very thing it did foster. CORRUPTION!!! You seriously think that democrats are sitting on the sidelines and the republicans are the only hands greased by lobbyists. WAY before the K Street project look up some history on trade unions. Traditionally they back democrats and traditionally they are ripe with murder, bribery, corruption and organized crime. I could throw 100 examples at you of scandals and bribery between democrats and trade unions. Think Jimmy Hoffa. . . Trade Unions are the democrats corporation. The democrats get a chance to act high and mighty as if they are for the little man AND YET still get the money and perks.
Yes, theyre all slimeballs but there is no competition whatsoever if for no other reason than that the Democrats just aren't as good at treason and corruption as the Republicans are.
No they are all crooked. They all lack moral direction and they all try to use rhetoric to divide you and I. Divide and conquer my friend. It is a good way to rule. It is a very bad way to be ruled.
If you really can't see a massive difference in scale, then you had better send your moral compass back to Cracker Jack because it's badly broken.
My moral compass did not come from a candy box thanks. My moral compass says the lesser of two evils is still evil. Whether one party or the other is a bit less evil looking on the surface I still know I can't trust them. Both parties are so closely matched in their lack of ethics and morality that I really can't tell the difference. But the moral compass is fine because it still tells me both sides are wrong.
I made it all the way through without calling you a liar or even saying you were lacking in moral and ethical direction. That is because I am not judging you. Take a moment and digest that. Try it on for size when you disagree with someone.
It is indeed interresting. They are all slimeballs. Both sides raise very similar volumes of cash in vary similar ways. Neither is more or less corrupt than the other. It is always the party in the forefront that takes the heat at any given time. Yet in the shadows of that the other party is making the same deals. If you believe either party has somehow maintained a morale high ground you are being misled.
.I do not believe the ends justify the means.
It is very sad Google would put money in the banks of these sorts of people. Even if their intent is good. .
I don't know who is more dangerous, the "Islamofascists" who are behind terrorism or the Neocons who are willing and able to give away all of our Constitutional rights and freedoms.
Wow what a dramatization! You do not know who is more dangerous? I do not agree with our governments move but I also think the dramatic reaction does not further the useful debate. It just serves as polarizing rhetoric.
But I COMPLETELY AGREE with your solution!!!
I use FreeDOS to breathe life back into used industrial equipment. Much of the equipment used DOS or some embedded variant and FreeDOS has helped me to help a variety of struggling businesses in Europe and North America to use good equipment that may have otherwise been too expensive to bring back to life.
Run Windows on an AMD based SUN box and I bet Hell has frozen over! At least that is what I would have thought 10 years ago!
|Is it a basic right to be allowed to receive e-mail from whomever |I desire, or does Comcast have the right to censor as they wish?"
I am not sure we have a "right" to broadband but I wont get off track on that. . .
Good grief! With all the solutions out there the best thing they can come up with is this? Sounds like they need to get some different people on the spam team!
There is more technical information available in many libraries than ever before. The move to close these libraries is a cost cutting move alone. To call it Orwellian is ridiculous. I would venture a guess that more people make use of other resources that compete for the same money.
The Bush bashing is getting tiresome. Every president has made some decisions that are unpopular. If we saw government constantly grow without some cutbacks the eventual weight of the government would be more than we can handle. Consider the political motives the source of this information has for being SOOO alarmist.
If you ask me the rhetoric is too thick on both sides. Boil this one down to the faces. . .
Technical Library = Generally expensive to run
Technical Library = Very few users
Technical Library = Very narrow in scope intentionally
Maybe environmental Technical Libraries are best funded by state and other money and not federal. Not only are these libraries expensive by nature but they do not benefit any significant portion of the population and are not in every state. I have no interest in paying for these. So to say this is Bush damaging the nation is only one side of this coin. Maybe it is Bush protecting the interests of those who do not want to be taxed into submission to provide money for Technical Libraries they do not and will not benefit from.
Just consider the very narrow scope of these libraries, consider where other libraries have to get funding and consider whether you would rather see the funding come from somewhere else? Then think about how you would (as president) solve the same problem. It is likely you would cut funding because asking for money from somewhere else cloearly will not work because the people who are complaining about this sure are not going to step up and keep these libraries open!
Being a long time aquarist I have my own opinions as well. Upwelling and a combination of other factors do cause this in a variety of places globally. This is not unique to this area of Oregon. What is unique is the extremity and scale. That is what is puzzling. The news media has reported it as if this situation in whole is unheard of. It is not at all unheard of. But this scale and the extremely low and dropping Oxygen levels are unique and alarming.
The thing that concerns me most about this would be the potential application in reviving disco. Then comes roller disco and then Kryogenics is used to bring back the decesed members of the Gibb family. AND IT ALL STARTS with the sequins for the digital age.
Clever editing. . . I would be careful relying on organizations such as GreenPeace for information. They have questionable motives at times.
Has anyone thought that the "exploding" batteries are a terrorist trick? They are not batteries they are IEDs! Ok so maybe the notion about cooling is far more viable!
Come on we are in a forum where speed is measured in ms. A month is something around E ms. E? Dogone calculator. :-)
The modern investor is a pretty short sighted one. The pump and dump is the wave of the future and the brokers love it. How else can they make constant profits (most work on payment for trading not holding)?
I agree looking at a 30 stock price / 30 market cap does not say much.
You forgot Beta-Max! Sony has a history of good ideas POORLY executed.
IBM is wise to try and make Mainframe "cool" again! Like the new Ford Mustang! Bring back all the relics! Oh wait. . . was Mainframe ever cool?
Or opt for whole drive encryption and just eat the key if someone wants the contents! :-)
On this note it is useful to use full drive encryption when sensative data is on a drive because even if you "erase" data a motivated individual or government (more likely) can recover much of that data. So why not make them jump through another hoop and make them spend some MIPS on trying to crack the encrption on a drive that they can't recover all of!
I am trying to think of a trivial crime that could get me a free flight to Australia. :-)
US Bashing! I do not believe regulation would change the fact that we have a very different population distribution and geography. I have 12Meg DSL here in the US and I am not limited or capped so I do not think I am doing all that bad!
The US is a big, spread out and geographically challenging landscape for copper, fiber and wireless services. This is no excuse for the incompetence and greed demonstrated by the telcos and ISPs here but I am not sure regulation is the solution. How about more intelligent consumer behavior?
As for healthcare. . . I am not sure Cuba is the Utopia you believe it is. Besides it is much easier to do something on a small scale than a large one. IE - Socialized healthcare would work in Hawaii.
Yes the active person with solutions and a practical approach might try to change what they feel is wrong instead of giving up and leaving for such utopian societies as Germany!
I agree there is ground to be gained in education. I have no doubt about that. However. . . The ability to read above a 7th grade level has practical applications in our everyday lives. I am not convinced the study of evolution is quite so pragmatic. If we spent more time, effort and money on reading and other fundamentals and less of the time and money studying important but less pragmatic putsuits (evolution) we might make strides in the more practical areas of education. I do not think that these are mutually exclusive but we have to admit that we only have so much time and money.
Summary: People who do not study evolution are not suitable for "high caliber" education.
I agree and disagree. I agree that the study of evolution is important. So are many other aspects of science.
On the flip side. . . Rejecting students because of a single issue / single theory / single area reflects exactly what is wrong with our education system and our nation as a whole.
Complete disgregard of a student on a single criterion is short sighted. There are great scientists who have had little background with evolution. That is no indicator that they are flawed or have some broken logic that segregates them from the rest of society and higher education. To reject a student based on this one criteria indicates your logic is flawed and you are as limited in understanding education as you claim others may be regarding science.
How can we foster an educated public that innovates and invents if we slap them with a mandate that they must study and accept everything that we accept now? Innovation is discovery and challenging what we think we know now. If we had not challenged hard science at one point the world would still be flat.
Again the flip side. . . How can we innovate and challenge something if we turn our back on it and refuse to discuss it? This is the same logic that prompted religous institutions to execute people because of their notions on whether the Earth was the center of the universe or not.
We must study evolution as much as we need to study Psychology and Sociology BUT we need to stop being so polarized about it. Denying someone education because they lack a background in a single area is the complete opposite of the other side and both are equally wrong.