same thing that happens at every launch. Being able to produce enough units to satisfy launch demands would require one of two things. Either create the required number of units before hand (and just store them), or make sure your production facility can keep up with the inital demand.
The First idea is silly, once you have units that are sale ready, you almost always want to start shipping (storing them takes money, and the only reason nto to ship is if you could drive up demand high enough to counter balance that cost, something that is unlikely, especialy if you are not going to jack the price artaficaly).
The Second is also silly, though slightly less obviously so. If you production system can actualy churn out the number of units required, then you will end up with a production system that will go to waste once the demand dies down, and thus your inital investment required to get it up and running is really a waste.
That is interesting. (assumign you are not just being a troll).
I just went through (As far as I could with out actualy giving them any info), and I can have it shipped to me, or pick it up from about 6 locations (NYC). Admitedly they ARE out of stock of Resistance:FoM apparently (I can order one bundle, but not the R:FoM. one).
I actualy just tooled around and tested out LA zips (both Los Angeles and Louisiana), and I could have it shipped to either, pick it up from 5 locations in the state, and 1 location in the city.
They have been instock for nearly a week now. They DO sell bundles (including one for resistance + a controller for $10 off the price, and that is actualy a rather good bundle in my mind).
PS3 is choking up atm. If mroe games get released, it can still make a good come back, but it is down to "wait and see"
They will ship a few "cool" games this year. They mainly still only have their core franchizes however. Nothing much on the lines of new ones. My guess is that if they can get FFXIII (yes, we really are up to 13) out relatively soon they should see a nice boost in sales, combine that with other things like Devil May Cry, Dynasty Warriors, etc etc, and they might stil lhave a shot.
I will not count them out (hey, it does make awsome purdy graphics, and you can pack a HECK of alot of stuff onto a blu-ray disc). We shall see.
(note, I am a nintendo fan, and so my views are probably stilted a bit, but hey, every one has stilted views)
Uppon further reading of the artticle (yes, I actualy read all of TFA) one of the counter claims is that Spark broke the contract simply by bringing up this suit (by submitting the contract as evidence they therefore broke the NDA type stuff).
By your reasoning we should also not use locks and other theft deterents, after all it is the Executive and then Judical branches of the govn't that are supposed to take care of enforcing laws. I should also not be alowed to defend my self if I am attacked (Again, police). Nor should I encrypt the files that I store online, or any of my files for that matter. Also, if some deadbeat does not pay his medical bills then collection agencies should not be used, instead they should o directly to the courts. Heck, you are basicly saying that what the **AA are doing is RIGHT! They shouldn't use DRM, they should just sue anyone that violates the copyrights.
If I am missing your point, please explain it again.
Mkay, I am going to step away from the group think here and say I don't get it. If you odn't feel like reading my full post skip to the last line.
How and WHY is Copyright SUPPOSED to be imperfect and leaky? I thought the point of copyright was to give the creator of a work the sole right to create copies of it (and thus decide who can have a copy, and under what terms). There are a few purposfuly drilled holes in it (naimly Fairuse), but those are defined under the law (admitedly fairuse is incredibly grey, and hard to figgure out exaclt what is "fair"). I would not call something like fairuse "imperfect and leaky" (if that is even what you are reffering to).
Is it that you object to the concept of copyright at all (as other repliers have been saying)? If that is it, well then I will aggree to disagre (I personaly think that if you invent sometihng you should have the right to profit from it).
I also do not understand your grievance against laws. I don't think the soloution is to make laws hard to enforce, rather I think the soloution is to create better laws (remember, we are talking about a perfect world where pixy dust and ponies solve everything).
A rather simple direct case of what I think you are talkign about is sometihng like jay walking (somethign that as a New Yorker I am very familiar with). To me the concept of getting fined for jay walking is silly, and I tend to take the signs as a suggestion, and so do pollice for that matter (part of your tempering via human understanding?). My belife is that the law should instead state something along the lines of: "If you cross against the light and sometihng bad happens it is your own damn fault. If you cause any damage/injury to others because of this action you must make full restitution (and then some extra for beign a twit and caussing an accident)". Ofcourse it would not be worded this way, and would have all the loopholes removed, and put in clauses for extenuating circumstances (say rescuing the biker that just fell over).
Would this be an acurate paraphrase of what you said: "Because the world is not perfect, and there are always extenuating circumstances that can not be covered by codified rules, we must then use a system of enforcment that can artifcialy create this via imperfection".?
It is a great idea, no reason not to let them protect their stuff.
However the only actual way of doing so would be even more intrusive then current DRM (atleast that can generaly be cracked with little or no problem).
So far only one person thinks perfect DRM (aka it only stops illegal uses) is bad, and I fully admit to not get wth he is talking about.
This mythical DRM we are talking about would do none of those things.
Once a work is public domain the DRM would obviously stop restricting "illegal copies" as there would no longer BE any illegal copies (all are now legal).
Also, this DRM lets you media/time shift, after all, there is nothing illegal about those.
To me, there is nothing wrong with wanting to protect your stuff (movies/videogame/music/whatever).
If you could some how make a DRM scheme that did not inhibit ANY legal use of the media then I am all for it. Then again in a perfect world people would not steal from other people and there would be no need for DRM.
The only problem then is: What is the deffinition of legal use? (this is ignoring the fact that I don't think this type of DRM would be possible with out including something that is equaly intrusive) IANAL, however what I have seen stated is that the idea of fair use is not exactly clear, and is all based on precedent (and precedent CAN be over ruled).
You hit so many perfect poins about what we have to watch for in the comming year(s).
I fully am with you about On-Line being the real make/break for the systems this time around.
MS has Live down pat, and if it wasn't for the charge (Even though $50 a year isn't THAT bad), I would very likely pick up a 360. They fixed up the system, they have live workign off the bat, they are courting developers and starting to get soem great lookign titles going (that was the killer on the xbox, no good games). They even have realized they need some J-RPGs (and boy have they scored with their first coupple steps into the field). They are still churning out their standard Action games with good online play (hey, it is what they are known for, currently).
Sony still seems to be ignoring On-Line, have lost alot of their exclusives, and alienated alot of devs and players. If they pull together with XFire (especialy if it is linked wither their existing XFire System), and start gettign some good online content going they should be able to pull through. The key ofcourse is that they REALLY need to get Developers back on board, if they don't, well they are dead in the water with a serious lack of games.
Nintendo I am a bit more optomistic about (though I have my wories). They know that online is VERY important. They are already familiar with the field via the NDS WiFi network, and the VC store is already doing great. They already have some great games out and more on the way (including some that look like they could do well in the online field). They need to start gettign a few online games out there, especialy some mass apeal ones (yah, sure, pokemon will sell well, but they need something for older players). I think their best bet for a "Killer App" is Smash Bros. Every one is waiting for it, and an online Smash Bros would be awsome in many people's minds. The other side of the problem is that they NEED to drop the friends code system as well as let you actualy chat with other players. If they don't fix up those 2 issues I could see their online offering (and thus a key point to the next-gen wars) fallign flat for them.
Wait, Wii Play is out in the UK? DAMN YOU!!!! (If you have gotten a copy of it, how is it?)
However you are right. If you REALLY want a Wii it isn't that hard, just requires persistance. One of the easiest ways is to find out when a store is gettign a shipment and camp the fark out (I have 3 friends that did this, and thus have 3 Wiis). I am to lazy to do this and thus still have no Wii, however I am patient and will simply buy them once they are redaliy avaliable (I predict a month or 2). Admitedly, if I get lucky and get a chance to buy one I will ofcourse snap it up in an instant.
Your friend is only partialy correct. The blatent fanboys (who will refuse to switch companies) might stick with the PS2 over the PS3, and will upgrade theri system or the other 2.
The problem is that the large majority of gamers are not fanboys (they are the quite majority because the raving loony fanboys are the VERY vocal minority).
I am a Nintendo fanboy (though not a raving loony) and will thus be gettign a Wii, however I am also looking to pick up a PS2 this time around (I have been rather broke for the past few years, but have recently gained a decent paying job) because of all the thigns your friend said. A HUGE number of top rate games, many of them discounted (either via the "Classics" system or used), and some new games STILL being developed! (hell, the line up of games being released from the holiday season through this year is BETTER on the PS2 then on the PS3).
I know, thus why I was not suprised. I am disapointed b/c the Madden games really do not evolve much between years. Yah, if you look at it over a 3 or 5 year delay then you get a decent evoloution (I think, as I stay away from them mostly, just catch a few screen shots when ever the new one is about to come out). So why do you have to buy the new one each friken year? Do you have to have the exact uptodate team rosters and player stats (hell, you can program those in with most of the newer ones)? Are the graphics that much better (no)? Are the pointless features that they add in just to get you to buy the game actualy good?
Meh.
I am relatively incensed about this currently (more so then usual) because I am thinking of picking up a PS2+Games off of ebay, however I keep on seeing people with lists that look like "Madden '97, madden '98, madden '99, NHL '02, NHL '03, NHL '04".
Buying a Madden isn't a bad thing (hey, if yah like watchign football, I guess it is fun, I admitedly have no interest). However, buying the same game, every year, with NOTHING NEW (aside from better graphics and the new team rosters), makes me sad.
As a side note, this is the same reason why I hate seeing all these FPS games that are simply rehashes of the same ol', same ol' sell so well. I was afraid of this when we saw UT2K3 and UT2K4 (it felt exactly as if UT was turning into madden), however the games were segnificantly different, and more importantly there was not another UT until UT2K7. Only so much can progress in 1 year of time, where decent amount CAN happen in 3 (not saying UT2K7 is any good, as I have not seen much of it yet.)
Disclaimer: I am a nintendo Fan, however I will try to stay unbiased.
1.1Mill Xboxen sold in Dec (just dec, remember, both the PS3 and Wii were launched in Nov) says that they trounced the PS3. However (yes, you can see the glee in this Nintendo fanboy's eyes) the Wii is giving the 360 a run for its money with 1.1mill units sold in Nov/Dec.
Also that says the Wii's launch sales trounce the 360's, however you do have to remember that the 360 had a HORRIBLE launch when it came to product avalability, where the Wii is having an abundance of production (though they still sell out).
My prediciton? Unless Sony pulls their act together (gets some GREAT games out FAST), it is goign to be a running war between the 360 and the Wii. Also I am willing to bet we will see Wii on shelves faster then we did for the 360, but simply b/c their production is going much better then the 360 did at launch.
hmmm, I dono. I am willing to bet the price was a factor for parents figguring out if Little Timmy (after all, we Know little timmy isn't that smart, after the incedent with H2SO4, and probably can't get the cash together to buy himself one, or the fact that he is under 16 YoA) gets a PS3 for XMass or not.
True, to hardcore gamers price possibly isn't AS big a deal, but even there I am betting a number of people that would have picked up the PS3 (despite the lackluster showing of games) are waiting it out for better games and a pricedrop (where in over cases people would have been willing to pick it up and then wait for the games).
Oh, and with the 360's showin in December, it looks like the race is going to be between MS and Nintendo.
I am VERY happy to see NSMB at number 2 (Hey, I am a nintendo fanboy, what can I say). I also am unsurprised (though still disapointed in the general public) to see Madden at #1.
What I AM surprised about is to see the number of Z:TP copies sold for the NGC vs the number sold for the Wii. And if you add the 2 numbers together you end up with it dominating the december market, and coming into the top 10 for the year, and that is cause for much rejocing to me!
Well, unless England is going to "boycot" (aka shut down their connections) them. After all, that is a tad easier then sending in the Navy again(Ah, HA! Seland should hire the Rastafarian Navy outta Zion!).
Ok, so I love the idea (both of a Data haeven, and of TPB starting it up), however it is a joke. 500m pounds is more then they could possibly raise, and even if they COULD, they would easily be shut down.
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same thing that happens at every launch. Being able to produce enough units to satisfy launch demands would require one of two things. Either create the required number of units before hand (and just store them), or make sure your production facility can keep up with the inital demand.
The First idea is silly, once you have units that are sale ready, you almost always want to start shipping (storing them takes money, and the only reason nto to ship is if you could drive up demand high enough to counter balance that cost, something that is unlikely, especialy if you are not going to jack the price artaficaly).
The Second is also silly, though slightly less obviously so. If you production system can actualy churn out the number of units required, then you will end up with a production system that will go to waste once the demand dies down, and thus your inital investment required to get it up and running is really a waste.
That is interesting. (assumign you are not just being a troll).
:)
I just went through (As far as I could with out actualy giving them any info), and I can have it shipped to me, or pick it up from about 6 locations (NYC). Admitedly they ARE out of stock of Resistance:FoM apparently (I can order one bundle, but not the R:FoM. one).
I actualy just tooled around and tested out LA zips (both Los Angeles and Louisiana), and I could have it shipped to either, pick it up from 5 locations in the state, and 1 location in the city.
I call troll, have a nice day
Try again mate, from your link: Circuit City
They have been instock for nearly a week now. They DO sell bundles (including one for resistance + a controller for $10 off the price, and that is actualy a rather good bundle in my mind).
PS3 is choking up atm. If mroe games get released, it can still make a good come back, but it is down to "wait and see"
They will ship a few "cool" games this year. They mainly still only have their core franchizes however. Nothing much on the lines of new ones. My guess is that if they can get FFXIII (yes, we really are up to 13) out relatively soon they should see a nice boost in sales, combine that with other things like Devil May Cry, Dynasty Warriors, etc etc, and they might stil lhave a shot.
I will not count them out (hey, it does make awsome purdy graphics, and you can pack a HECK of alot of stuff onto a blu-ray disc). We shall see.
(note, I am a nintendo fan, and so my views are probably stilted a bit, but hey, every one has stilted views)
Thank you.
How your GP post was worded had me very confuzed, as I wrote my post I sorta figgured out what you were saying, and thank you for clarifying it!
Right you are.
Uppon further reading of the artticle (yes, I actualy read all of TFA) one of the counter claims is that Spark broke the contract simply by bringing up this suit (by submitting the contract as evidence they therefore broke the NDA type stuff).
By your reasoning we should also not use locks and other theft deterents, after all it is the Executive and then Judical branches of the govn't that are supposed to take care of enforcing laws.
I should also not be alowed to defend my self if I am attacked (Again, police).
Nor should I encrypt the files that I store online, or any of my files for that matter.
Also, if some deadbeat does not pay his medical bills then collection agencies should not be used, instead they should o directly to the courts.
Heck, you are basicly saying that what the **AA are doing is RIGHT! They shouldn't use DRM, they should just sue anyone that violates the copyrights.
If I am missing your point, please explain it again.
Actualy he is just unable to drink nomore. They have to get him liquids intraveinously, thus why they didn't have enough to cover the PS3.
Mkay, I am going to step away from the group think here and say I don't get it. If you odn't feel like reading my full post skip to the last line.
How and WHY is Copyright SUPPOSED to be imperfect and leaky? I thought the point of copyright was to give the creator of a work the sole right to create copies of it (and thus decide who can have a copy, and under what terms). There are a few purposfuly drilled holes in it (naimly Fairuse), but those are defined under the law (admitedly fairuse is incredibly grey, and hard to figgure out exaclt what is "fair"). I would not call something like fairuse "imperfect and leaky" (if that is even what you are reffering to).
Is it that you object to the concept of copyright at all (as other repliers have been saying)? If that is it, well then I will aggree to disagre (I personaly think that if you invent sometihng you should have the right to profit from it).
I also do not understand your grievance against laws. I don't think the soloution is to make laws hard to enforce, rather I think the soloution is to create better laws (remember, we are talking about a perfect world where pixy dust and ponies solve everything).
A rather simple direct case of what I think you are talkign about is sometihng like jay walking (somethign that as a New Yorker I am very familiar with). To me the concept of getting fined for jay walking is silly, and I tend to take the signs as a suggestion, and so do pollice for that matter (part of your tempering via human understanding?). My belife is that the law should instead state something along the lines of: "If you cross against the light and sometihng bad happens it is your own damn fault. If you cause any damage/injury to others because of this action you must make full restitution (and then some extra for beign a twit and caussing an accident)". Ofcourse it would not be worded this way, and would have all the loopholes removed, and put in clauses for extenuating circumstances (say rescuing the biker that just fell over).
Would this be an acurate paraphrase of what you said:
"Because the world is not perfect, and there are always extenuating circumstances that can not be covered by codified rules, we must then use a system of enforcment that can artifcialy create this via imperfection".?
yup, basicly my point as well.
It is a great idea, no reason not to let them protect their stuff.
However the only actual way of doing so would be even more intrusive then current DRM (atleast that can generaly be cracked with little or no problem).
So far only one person thinks perfect DRM (aka it only stops illegal uses) is bad, and I fully admit to not get wth he is talking about.
This is a hypothetical situation.
This mythical DRM we are talking about would do none of those things.
Once a work is public domain the DRM would obviously stop restricting "illegal copies" as there would no longer BE any illegal copies (all are now legal).
Also, this DRM lets you media/time shift, after all, there is nothing illegal about those.
So, would you still object?
To me, there is nothing wrong with wanting to protect your stuff (movies/videogame/music/whatever).
If you could some how make a DRM scheme that did not inhibit ANY legal use of the media then I am all for it. Then again in a perfect world people would not steal from other people and there would be no need for DRM.
The only problem then is: What is the deffinition of legal use? (this is ignoring the fact that I don't think this type of DRM would be possible with out including something that is equaly intrusive)
IANAL, however what I have seen stated is that the idea of fair use is not exactly clear, and is all based on precedent (and precedent CAN be over ruled).
It was part of the court battle, and the judge unsealed the exhibits. (First line in TFA)
You hit so many perfect poins about what we have to watch for in the comming year(s).
I fully am with you about On-Line being the real make/break for the systems this time around.
MS has Live down pat, and if it wasn't for the charge (Even though $50 a year isn't THAT bad), I would very likely pick up a 360. They fixed up the system, they have live workign off the bat, they are courting developers and starting to get soem great lookign titles going (that was the killer on the xbox, no good games). They even have realized they need some J-RPGs (and boy have they scored with their first coupple steps into the field). They are still churning out their standard Action games with good online play (hey, it is what they are known for, currently).
Sony still seems to be ignoring On-Line, have lost alot of their exclusives, and alienated alot of devs and players. If they pull together with XFire (especialy if it is linked wither their existing XFire System), and start gettign some good online content going they should be able to pull through. The key ofcourse is that they REALLY need to get Developers back on board, if they don't, well they are dead in the water with a serious lack of games.
Nintendo I am a bit more optomistic about (though I have my wories). They know that online is VERY important. They are already familiar with the field via the NDS WiFi network, and the VC store is already doing great. They already have some great games out and more on the way (including some that look like they could do well in the online field). They need to start gettign a few online games out there, especialy some mass apeal ones (yah, sure, pokemon will sell well, but they need something for older players). I think their best bet for a "Killer App" is Smash Bros. Every one is waiting for it, and an online Smash Bros would be awsome in many people's minds. The other side of the problem is that they NEED to drop the friends code system as well as let you actualy chat with other players. If they don't fix up those 2 issues I could see their online offering (and thus a key point to the next-gen wars) fallign flat for them.
yah, umm, my 2 cents.
Wait, Wii Play is out in the UK? DAMN YOU!!!! (If you have gotten a copy of it, how is it?)
However you are right. If you REALLY want a Wii it isn't that hard, just requires persistance. One of the easiest ways is to find out when a store is gettign a shipment and camp the fark out (I have 3 friends that did this, and thus have 3 Wiis). I am to lazy to do this and thus still have no Wii, however I am patient and will simply buy them once they are redaliy avaliable (I predict a month or 2). Admitedly, if I get lucky and get a chance to buy one I will ofcourse snap it up in an instant.
Your friend is only partialy correct. The blatent fanboys (who will refuse to switch companies) might stick with the PS2 over the PS3, and will upgrade theri system or the other 2.
The problem is that the large majority of gamers are not fanboys (they are the quite majority because the raving loony fanboys are the VERY vocal minority).
I am a Nintendo fanboy (though not a raving loony) and will thus be gettign a Wii, however I am also looking to pick up a PS2 this time around (I have been rather broke for the past few years, but have recently gained a decent paying job) because of all the thigns your friend said. A HUGE number of top rate games, many of them discounted (either via the "Classics" system or used), and some new games STILL being developed! (hell, the line up of games being released from the holiday season through this year is BETTER on the PS2 then on the PS3).
I know, thus why I was not suprised. I am disapointed b/c the Madden games really do not evolve much between years. Yah, if you look at it over a 3 or 5 year delay then you get a decent evoloution (I think, as I stay away from them mostly, just catch a few screen shots when ever the new one is about to come out). So why do you have to buy the new one each friken year? Do you have to have the exact uptodate team rosters and player stats (hell, you can program those in with most of the newer ones)? Are the graphics that much better (no)? Are the pointless features that they add in just to get you to buy the game actualy good?
Meh.
I am relatively incensed about this currently (more so then usual) because I am thinking of picking up a PS2+Games off of ebay, however I keep on seeing people with lists that look like "Madden '97, madden '98, madden '99, NHL '02, NHL '03, NHL '04".
Buying a Madden isn't a bad thing (hey, if yah like watchign football, I guess it is fun, I admitedly have no interest). However, buying the same game, every year, with NOTHING NEW (aside from better graphics and the new team rosters), makes me sad.
As a side note, this is the same reason why I hate seeing all these FPS games that are simply rehashes of the same ol', same ol' sell so well. I was afraid of this when we saw UT2K3 and UT2K4 (it felt exactly as if UT was turning into madden), however the games were segnificantly different, and more importantly there was not another UT until UT2K7. Only so much can progress in 1 year of time, where decent amount CAN happen in 3 (not saying UT2K7 is any good, as I have not seen much of it yet.)
Here yah go
PS3 for $599.99
ATM no one seems to have the Wii instock (a few places had them as late as yesterday, but only game bundles).
If you are tryign to track down systems then:
buy wii, from techbargains
buy PS3, from techbargains
Wii Tracker
PS3 Finder (same people as wii tracker)
enjoy.
ummm
Disclaimer: I am a nintendo Fan, however I will try to stay unbiased.
1.1Mill Xboxen sold in Dec (just dec, remember, both the PS3 and Wii were launched in Nov) says that they trounced the PS3. However (yes, you can see the glee in this Nintendo fanboy's eyes) the Wii is giving the 360 a run for its money with 1.1mill units sold in Nov/Dec.
Also that says the Wii's launch sales trounce the 360's, however you do have to remember that the 360 had a HORRIBLE launch when it came to product avalability, where the Wii is having an abundance of production (though they still sell out).
My prediciton?
Unless Sony pulls their act together (gets some GREAT games out FAST), it is goign to be a running war between the 360 and the Wii. Also I am willing to bet we will see Wii on shelves faster then we did for the 360, but simply b/c their production is going much better then the 360 did at launch.
hmmm, I dono. I am willing to bet the price was a factor for parents figguring out if Little Timmy (after all, we Know little timmy isn't that smart, after the incedent with H2SO4, and probably can't get the cash together to buy himself one, or the fact that he is under 16 YoA) gets a PS3 for XMass or not.
True, to hardcore gamers price possibly isn't AS big a deal, but even there I am betting a number of people that would have picked up the PS3 (despite the lackluster showing of games) are waiting it out for better games and a pricedrop (where in over cases people would have been willing to pick it up and then wait for the games).
Oh, and with the 360's showin in December, it looks like the race is going to be between MS and Nintendo.
Well, it is always fun to see the sales numbers.
I am VERY happy to see NSMB at number 2 (Hey, I am a nintendo fanboy, what can I say). I also am unsurprised (though still disapointed in the general public) to see Madden at #1.
What I AM surprised about is to see the number of Z:TP copies sold for the NGC vs the number sold for the Wii. And if you add the 2 numbers together you end up with it dominating the december market, and coming into the top 10 for the year, and that is cause for much rejocing to me!
Well, unless England is going to "boycot" (aka shut down their connections) them. After all, that is a tad easier then sending in the Navy again(Ah, HA! Seland should hire the Rastafarian Navy outta Zion!).
Ok, so I love the idea (both of a Data haeven, and of TPB starting it up), however it is a joke. 500m pounds is more then they could possibly raise, and even if they COULD, they would easily be shut down.
for refference, the point of Joe Jobbing some one is to ruin their reputation.
General spoofing is just there to hide their tracks, and make it more likely that the mail will be delivered.
No, it is a low 6 digit