Yes, the limit is howmuch they can do with out financial backing. Yup, it sucks, however this is the real world.
Mabey they will be able to become a not forprofit organization that survives on donations, or they will find backers that have more open views. That would be awsome, no need to wory about your backers pulling out and you can then actualy show off everything you want. However for now they HAVE to listen to the people giving them money or they don't exist.
On a second note: Again, SCMRPG does have some artistic merit, the game draws heavily from news, sound bites and anything else they could find about the tragedy to create the game. It is about the incident, what happened, and why. IT is not just a game about killing kids.
a Quick note. Project Entropia Dolars (PEDs) is the currency in Entropia Universe (Previously reffered to as Project Entropia), not EU notes.
Just to make sure that people don't think that money from the EU isn't real, despite what most of us americans seem to think, they are trouncing us in value currently.
If you don't cave to sponsors, you don't exist. I know it sucks, and I really hate that it is true, however something is better then nothing in my mind, and we do need more outlets for indy devs to get some recognition.
My hope is that because they caved and this flare-up is now happening we will see something come of it. Either SlamDance will lose all of their credibility (very possible), or they will rally and specificly state rules reguarding removal of contestants (guidlines that have to be followed, and do not include "well, or sponser doesn't like it").
I know most people think that SCMRPG is in horrible taste, I disagre (I view it as documentry/commentary on a horrible event in video game form). Flow standing up against this is good of them in my mind.
I don't think that the SlamDance guys are bad for caving to the preasure (they do need corporate backers), however seeing a company that is gettign LOTS of recognition standing up against something like this still makes me happy.
as a note, if you havn't played around with Cloud (their other game) I deffinatly suggest it.
I am wondering if those prices are before or after the discount for having a plan with them, I am honestly guessing that it is before, and the endprices will be closer to $300/$350 and $400/$450.
The only cases of PS3s sitting on shelvs that I have seen reported are those of blisterpack bundles that include 5 games (that you might want one of), an extra controler (or 6), a number of useles things (media cards?), and farken "product protection" schemes.
I am a nintendo fanboy, but I prefer to fight fair. I have yet to see a store that had a stand alone (or reasonably bundled) PS3 sitting on their shelves for longer then a day. (admitedly, thier low shippment numbers still have it at the bottom for units sold, but that is a different matter)
hehehe, all true points, I screamed bloody murder when I found out Square was moving from Nintendo over to Sony, yet I was still backed the 64, why? loadtimes. That was what always ticked me off in playing the early CD/DVD games, horrible, horrible load times. And yes, Nintendo has made pleanty of mistakes, and I acknowledge them all (including the problems in windwaker).
But I still consider myself a fanboy, just not a mindless raving loony. Whenever nintendo makes an announcement about something new I always have to find as much info as I can (something I only do for Nintendo and Valve generaly), download the videos of the press conferance, etc etc etc. (And I am still angry about the lack of Smash bros, with Online play, as a launch title).
Well kids, your gran'pappy wasn' one of them foolish casulties y'all hear 'bout in school. Me? I paly'd i' smart and spent my days flamming BOTH sides on Slashdot. Ahh, good ol' slashdot. This was o'course before the Revoloution, now THAT was an interesting time.....
I think the most important factors for Wii success are people like my father who hasn't been into video games since the 2600 and is now frantically looking for a Wii for himself.
Disclaimer: I am a Nintendo Fanboy, however I tend to be the proof that not all fanboys are mindless.
I wouldn't say it is the most important, but I would say it is a key facor.
To me the key things are: 1) Price. Yah $250 isn't actualy THAT good, however compared to the other 2 it is (especialy with the price of games included). This is part of the reason I would not be suprised to see alot of people with both a 360/ps3 and a Wii.
2) Pickup and play. The good games are very intuitive and are just straight up pick up and play games.
3) Envolving. Same deal, you pick up, get right into the acction and start acting like a raving loony.
4) Fun for all ages. They seem to have managed to make games that gorwnups, kids, hardcore gamers, ex-gamers, etc can all enjoy.
Yah, I am a nintendo fanboy, but I still don't have a Wii actualy. Why? Still addicted to a number of DS games and CBA to chase down a Wii in my free time that I could spend playing DS games or (more importantly) Spending it with friends/family.
Interesting points but you are not considering a simple fact, and that is that sheeple will simply upgrade from Xbox to the 360 and from the PS2 to the PS3 (the Wii will be a blast and make Nintendo rich(er) but will remain a minor player; besides, it's not even in the same market). The PS2 is *the* console by definition so people will buy the PS3.
By that logic the N64 should have trounced the PS, and thus the NGC should have crounced the PS2, Xbox, and DC.
This time the price and the avaliablity are making people sit back, wait, and evaluate. The reason the PS2 is horribly popular is a few things, however the driving force once all the systems were up and running was the presence of exlusive titles.
I don't think that any of the 3 systems will tank, however I don't think it is a forgone conclussion this time around.
1) PS3 Price and avaliablity is cutting into early adopters. The lack of major titles, and a number of companies saying they will nolonger be making PS exclusives. All of this might (can't say 100%) to a lack of games, or a lack of exclusive games.
2) The 360 already has a decent toehold in the USA (it is still tanking in Japan, however I honestly can't specuilate on the japanese market and how it will effect the systems as I am not familiar enough with it, from here on in, I am reffering to the USA). A number of PS2 owners have already picked up 360s because they want the next gen, but are not willing to wait for the PS3, or pay the price for it. This also gives the 360 a nice room for picking up exclusives (hey, look, our player base is 10X that of the PS3).
3) Wii. Who farken knows? I think that it will be decently common to see people havign a Wii as well as one of the other 2, plus those poeple that are straped for $$ will be either going for a Wii or a PS2.
I tihnk that in the USA the 360 will likely trounce the PS3, and the Wii either being a close second, or leading. In Japan, the PS3 will out do the 360, however I think that the Wii will easily outdo the PS3.
Actualy this is SOE bashing. Remember, EVERYONE can get behind SOE bashing!
hehehe.
I admit, I don't like sony products atm (though I do plan on buying a PS2 soon). However I have disliked SOE for a very long time, and for many good reasons (they tend to destroy most things they touch).
What interests me is that these games are coming from SOE, I am rather sure that the PS is not under the wing of SOE, so why are they making games for it? (instead of continuing to piss of their MMO players:P)
Oh, heh, I havn't bought a Wii yet, Though living in NYC lets me just camp out overnight at the Nintendo Worlds store if I really want to (they apparently get shippments almost every day). I also havn't bought a PS2 yet as I am tryign to find a good bundle pack.
My current addiciton is Castlevania:PoR on the DS.
At $100 a head they had better bring back booth babes or I predict riots! (or atleast very low attendance, well, honestly at $100 a head I expect low attendance no matter what)
poking around an playing with babelfish led me to a few articles that seemed to say that the segnificant change was the existance of the disply. Only problem is that the disply is only on the 2 higher end units.
Picture - this used to be a picture of all 4 items (from their own web page) atm it seems to be dead to me, not sure if it still is.
I now remember the interview where they said the entire "Spiritual Sequal".
Yah, Looking Glass still owns the SS rights If I remember. I don't really mind that it isn't the sequal, the only thing that they could use in BS (bad name:P) from SS would be the standard of SHODAN, and though SHODAN is awsome, It was really everything else that made the game wonderful. The RPG elements, the suspence, the story telling (I loved the Udiscs), the puzzles and the interface.
If they can bring the same level of story telling, puzzles, and action. Then they have a winner.
Actualy there as only been one year of "OMG TF2!!!!oneoneelevengorge" and that was a while ago (mabey 5ish years?). It was quitly dropped and then quitly resurected last year with an anouncment of it being bundled with Ep2 (thoguh I can't remember if it was anounced before or after Ep2 was delayed).
There have been countless years of pure speculation on TF2 from the community, but that is b/c we are gammers, and speculate with 0 bits of evidence is EXACTLY what we do. Valve is actualy one of the better companies when it comes to not producing pure vapor ware. They are also ofcourse one of the best companies for horribly missing release dates, but generaly by only about a year, heheh.
Yes but the white pages do not tell you: 1) What I look like 2) My ethnicity 3) My age 4) My interests 5) My apparent level of intelegence 6) My buying habits 7) How I react to different situations
Heck, the white pages tell you my name, number, and where I live (white pages do have address, right? I have never bothered looking in them as I livei n NYC and it is an exorcise in futility)
Yes, they are both squad based FPS games, that does not make them the same. The selling point of SR is character customization (CS does NOT have character customization, there are about 3 valid load outs, with minor changes with a couple guns), and level diversity (another thing CS lacks in).
There is only so much that can be done with an FPS game, however comparing what has been said aobut SR to CS is like comparing Dystopia (a cyberpunk mod for HL2)to CS.
Now, if you were to compare dystopia to SR, then you would have a valid comparison (both offer alot more in levels as well as character customization)
Yup, the new SR game looks to have NOTHING to do with SR. However, it still looks like it has some good ideas and it could come up as a good game. Just not SR.
(I actualy realy don't like CRPGs all that much, the old SR included, however I am a large SR Table Top player)
Looking through the list from Firing Squad actualy has me looking forward to alot of games I had forgotten about.
I saw an Article on Shadowrun a while back and it sounds great (I love squad based game play, admitedly they are basicly ignoring all cannon from the SR universe, but I can live, I am not THAT big of a fanboy) There are about 3 or 4 new MMOs coming out that I am interested in poking around at (I love MMOs, just that the ones I tend to like don't have enough of a player base to keep them running properly, so I always hope for a new one) BioShock sounds like an atempt to make a new version of SS, and that always makes me happy (though a lack of Shodan is sorta sad...) HL2 Ep2, TF2, and Portal are probably what I am waiting for the most. If you havn't played Narbacular Drop drop (What Portal grew out of) I highly recomend it. ET:QW is another FPS game I am eager for (I loved W:ET) And ofcourse there is Spore.
The article also mentions that LG (along with "possibly other gadget makers") is expected to announce a player that can play both formats.
The ability to make a player that plays both formats has been around for a while now (nearly as long as the formats infact), however Sony (and the rest that hold the patents on Blu-Ray) were refusing to sell a license for any device that would play both formats. Now LG is announcing that they will be sellign one.
so either they are ignoring the Patents (and will get sued horribly for it) or have gotten a License (or found a work around).
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Yes, the limit is howmuch they can do with out financial backing. Yup, it sucks, however this is the real world.
Mabey they will be able to become a not forprofit organization that survives on donations, or they will find backers that have more open views. That would be awsome, no need to wory about your backers pulling out and you can then actualy show off everything you want. However for now they HAVE to listen to the people giving them money or they don't exist.
On a second note:
Again, SCMRPG does have some artistic merit, the game draws heavily from news, sound bites and anything else they could find about the tragedy to create the game. It is about the incident, what happened, and why. IT is not just a game about killing kids.
Thankyou, that was a rather awsome read!
a Quick note.
Project Entropia Dolars (PEDs) is the currency in Entropia Universe (Previously reffered to as Project Entropia), not EU notes.
Just to make sure that people don't think that money from the EU isn't real, despite what most of us americans seem to think, they are trouncing us in value currently.
If you don't cave to sponsors, you don't exist. I know it sucks, and I really hate that it is true, however something is better then nothing in my mind, and we do need more outlets for indy devs to get some recognition.
My hope is that because they caved and this flare-up is now happening we will see something come of it. Either SlamDance will lose all of their credibility (very possible), or they will rally and specificly state rules reguarding removal of contestants (guidlines that have to be followed, and do not include "well, or sponser doesn't like it").
I know most people think that SCMRPG is in horrible taste, I disagre (I view it as documentry/commentary on a horrible event in video game form). Flow standing up against this is good of them in my mind.
I don't think that the SlamDance guys are bad for caving to the preasure (they do need corporate backers), however seeing a company that is gettign LOTS of recognition standing up against something like this still makes me happy.
as a note, if you havn't played around with Cloud (their other game) I deffinatly suggest it.
well, that sucks.
And removes any chance of me buying it any time soon. I will stick with my cheap arse mp3 CD player and my cheap arse motorola phone still.
I am wondering if those prices are before or after the discount for having a plan with them, I am honestly guessing that it is before, and the endprices will be closer to $300/$350 and $400/$450.
The only cases of PS3s sitting on shelvs that I have seen reported are those of blisterpack bundles that include 5 games (that you might want one of), an extra controler (or 6), a number of useles things (media cards?), and farken "product protection" schemes.
I am a nintendo fanboy, but I prefer to fight fair. I have yet to see a store that had a stand alone (or reasonably bundled) PS3 sitting on their shelves for longer then a day. (admitedly, thier low shippment numbers still have it at the bottom for units sold, but that is a different matter)
hehehe, all true points, I screamed bloody murder when I found out Square was moving from Nintendo over to Sony, yet I was still backed the 64, why? loadtimes. That was what always ticked me off in playing the early CD/DVD games, horrible, horrible load times. And yes, Nintendo has made pleanty of mistakes, and I acknowledge them all (including the problems in windwaker).
But I still consider myself a fanboy, just not a mindless raving loony. Whenever nintendo makes an announcement about something new I always have to find as much info as I can (something I only do for Nintendo and Valve generaly), download the videos of the press conferance, etc etc etc. (And I am still angry about the lack of Smash bros, with Online play, as a launch title).
Well kids, your gran'pappy wasn' one of them foolish casulties y'all hear 'bout in school. Me? I paly'd i' smart and spent my days flamming BOTH sides on Slashdot. Ahh, good ol' slashdot. This was o'course before the Revoloution, now THAT was an interesting time.....
Disclaimer: I am a Nintendo Fanboy, however I tend to be the proof that not all fanboys are mindless.
I wouldn't say it is the most important, but I would say it is a key facor.
To me the key things are:
1) Price. Yah $250 isn't actualy THAT good, however compared to the other 2 it is (especialy with the price of games included). This is part of the reason I would not be suprised to see alot of people with both a 360/ps3 and a Wii.
2) Pickup and play. The good games are very intuitive and are just straight up pick up and play games.
3) Envolving. Same deal, you pick up, get right into the acction and start acting like a raving loony.
4) Fun for all ages. They seem to have managed to make games that gorwnups, kids, hardcore gamers, ex-gamers, etc can all enjoy.
Yah, I am a nintendo fanboy, but I still don't have a Wii actualy. Why? Still addicted to a number of DS games and CBA to chase down a Wii in my free time that I could spend playing DS games or (more importantly) Spending it with friends/family.
By that logic the N64 should have trounced the PS, and thus the NGC should have crounced the PS2, Xbox, and DC.
This time the price and the avaliablity are making people sit back, wait, and evaluate. The reason the PS2 is horribly popular is a few things, however the driving force once all the systems were up and running was the presence of exlusive titles.
I don't think that any of the 3 systems will tank, however I don't think it is a forgone conclussion this time around.
1) PS3 Price and avaliablity is cutting into early adopters. The lack of major titles, and a number of companies saying they will nolonger be making PS exclusives. All of this might (can't say 100%) to a lack of games, or a lack of exclusive games.
2) The 360 already has a decent toehold in the USA (it is still tanking in Japan, however I honestly can't specuilate on the japanese market and how it will effect the systems as I am not familiar enough with it, from here on in, I am reffering to the USA). A number of PS2 owners have already picked up 360s because they want the next gen, but are not willing to wait for the PS3, or pay the price for it. This also gives the 360 a nice room for picking up exclusives (hey, look, our player base is 10X that of the PS3).
3) Wii. Who farken knows? I think that it will be decently common to see people havign a Wii as well as one of the other 2, plus those poeple that are straped for $$ will be either going for a Wii or a PS2.
I tihnk that in the USA the 360 will likely trounce the PS3, and the Wii either being a close second, or leading. In Japan, the PS3 will out do the 360, however I think that the Wii will easily outdo the PS3.
Actualy this is SOE bashing. Remember, EVERYONE can get behind SOE bashing!
:P)
hehehe.
I admit, I don't like sony products atm (though I do plan on buying a PS2 soon). However I have disliked SOE for a very long time, and for many good reasons (they tend to destroy most things they touch).
What interests me is that these games are coming from SOE, I am rather sure that the PS is not under the wing of SOE, so why are they making games for it? (instead of continuing to piss of their MMO players
Oh, heh, I havn't bought a Wii yet, Though living in NYC lets me just camp out overnight at the Nintendo Worlds store if I really want to (they apparently get shippments almost every day). I also havn't bought a PS2 yet as I am tryign to find a good bundle pack.
My current addiciton is Castlevania:PoR on the DS.
At $100 a head they had better bring back booth babes or I predict riots! (or atleast very low attendance, well, honestly at $100 a head I expect low attendance no matter what)
If that were to happen I would be rather tempted to buy one.
I just might end up with a console from each of the 3 players (Wii, PS2, 360), and this after having only one console (GC).
poking around an playing with babelfish led me to a few articles that seemed to say that the segnificant change was the existance of the disply. Only problem is that the disply is only on the 2 higher end units.
Picture - this used to be a picture of all 4 items (from their own web page) atm it seems to be dead to me, not sure if it still is.
Image
Taken directly from their website, it apears that they are flat out stating "YES, WE RIPPED OFF APPLE COME BUY FROM US!"
Link to the videos by anychance?
:P) from SS would be the standard of SHODAN, and though SHODAN is awsome, It was really everything else that made the game wonderful. The RPG elements, the suspence, the story telling (I loved the Udiscs), the puzzles and the interface.
I now remember the interview where they said the entire "Spiritual Sequal".
Yah, Looking Glass still owns the SS rights If I remember. I don't really mind that it isn't the sequal, the only thing that they could use in BS (bad name
If they can bring the same level of story telling, puzzles, and action. Then they have a winner.
Actualy there as only been one year of "OMG TF2!!!!oneoneelevengorge" and that was a while ago (mabey 5ish years?). It was quitly dropped and then quitly resurected last year with an anouncment of it being bundled with Ep2 (thoguh I can't remember if it was anounced before or after Ep2 was delayed).
There have been countless years of pure speculation on TF2 from the community, but that is b/c we are gammers, and speculate with 0 bits of evidence is EXACTLY what we do. Valve is actualy one of the better companies when it comes to not producing pure vapor ware. They are also ofcourse one of the best companies for horribly missing release dates, but generaly by only about a year, heheh.
Yes but the white pages do not tell you:
1) What I look like
2) My ethnicity
3) My age
4) My interests
5) My apparent level of intelegence
6) My buying habits
7) How I react to different situations
Heck, the white pages tell you my name, number, and where I live (white pages do have address, right? I have never bothered looking in them as I livei n NYC and it is an exorcise in futility)
Yes, they are both squad based FPS games, that does not make them the same. The selling point of SR is character customization (CS does NOT have character customization, there are about 3 valid load outs, with minor changes with a couple guns), and level diversity (another thing CS lacks in).
There is only so much that can be done with an FPS game, however comparing what has been said aobut SR to CS is like comparing Dystopia (a cyberpunk mod for HL2)to CS.
Now, if you were to compare dystopia to SR, then you would have a valid comparison (both offer alot more in levels as well as character customization)
Yup, the new SR game looks to have NOTHING to do with SR. However, it still looks like it has some good ideas and it could come up as a good game. Just not SR.
(I actualy realy don't like CRPGs all that much, the old SR included, however I am a large SR Table Top player)
Looking through the list from Firing Squad actualy has me looking forward to alot of games I had forgotten about.
I saw an Article on Shadowrun a while back and it sounds great (I love squad based game play, admitedly they are basicly ignoring all cannon from the SR universe, but I can live, I am not THAT big of a fanboy)
There are about 3 or 4 new MMOs coming out that I am interested in poking around at (I love MMOs, just that the ones I tend to like don't have enough of a player base to keep them running properly, so I always hope for a new one)
BioShock sounds like an atempt to make a new version of SS, and that always makes me happy (though a lack of Shodan is sorta sad...)
HL2 Ep2, TF2, and Portal are probably what I am waiting for the most. If you havn't played Narbacular Drop drop (What Portal grew out of) I highly recomend it.
ET:QW is another FPS game I am eager for (I loved W:ET)
And ofcourse there is Spore.
The ability to make a player that plays both formats has been around for a while now (nearly as long as the formats infact), however Sony (and the rest that hold the patents on Blu-Ray) were refusing to sell a license for any device that would play both formats. Now LG is announcing that they will be sellign one.
so either they are ignoring the Patents (and will get sued horribly for it) or have gotten a License (or found a work around).