"But that is (a) a correlation, (b) doesn't demonstrate anything. Suppose that 99% of video game owners don't go on killing sprees, but 99% of killing spreeers own video games. "
Well if 99% of the people that age also own video games then you can conclude nothing. If 1% own video games at that age then you can conclude that Killers prefer video games as a hobby.
Hey, I had an N64 up until late last year. It was damned fast. With the introduction of the original Playstation, we had
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load times. Yes, we can fit a lot more data onto those 750MB disks than the cartridge tech of the time. Now they're giving away 1GB Flash drives with a box of cereal. You can easily buy 16GB drives now, and that's got 4x the info of a DVD.
It'll be much easier for "Them" to lock down each game with a globally unique serial number when you're burning Flash drives; much, much harder than when you're pressing CD / DVD runs. Microchip will sell you chips (by the reel, of course) that are pre-programmed and have an incrementing sequence in one section.
Actually 16GB is 1/2 od a dual layer DVD not 1/4. As well it's manufacturers cost that drove the n64 out of contention and out of consideration with 3rd parties. While a DVD is under a penny to press in bulk flashram still has a higher cost per unit memory which the manufacturer/publisher bears. Even in retail a Flashstick for 8 gigs is around $25, a DVD-RW is a dollar. BD's aren't that much more expensive to press then a DVD. It'll take a giant advance in the expense Flashrom/Flashram production before we'll see it replace optical media. You're probably better off betting on digital downloads to tak over after BD.
I think it might be a reaction to the highly arbitrary puzzles in past adventure games. Remember FFX and the arbitrary puzzles it forced you into every once in a while, they were maddenly arbitrary and added nothing to the game. Many of the Sierra games had random arbitrary puzzles as well. This is par for the video game puzzles. They add nothing and simply provide a barrier for people. There were a few interesting puzzles but largely they were senseless and distracting. I don't really want to play the towers of Hanoi every 20 minutes so I can open a locker with ammo. I'd prefer not to have to figure out that I need to insert a spatula into a anti-matter reactor so I can power a jar opener to access a gob of acid to eat through a door. If you left it optional, then maybe; but stopping the story and game to play some ridiculous puzzle or some arbitrary item combination is not fun.
Email spammers are inherently and universally sociopaths. It is not unreasonable to consider that any given email spammer would, if it could be profitable, commit murder.
It is in certain contexts, and they do. See BlackWater.
You may actually look into the story before you invent a situation where it was right. These guys are just amateurs who took a run at the shovelware market using plagiarism to fill in where they lacked talent. Much of the coding was done on the winter mute forums as these three douches don't know much about coding. The graphics where screenshots that were badly photoshopped together because this group lacked graphic talent. Apparently from people who played it, they also lacked story telling talent as well as voice acting talent. These guys really shouldn't have tried to market their dreck shovelware and should have kept it as a amateur project.
It's a shovel ware 2D adventure game that used screenshots from other games back backgrounds, items, menu's etc... The main programming was done by posing all the thing they needed done on the wintermute forums and having the community do it for them. The story is dreck and I put more effort into making breakfast on then they did making the game.
Still a bit of a shame for the (if there were any) good points of the game, that are now gone down together with the whole game due to this plagiarism.
According to gamefaqs forum, no. There wasn't any redeeming quality in the game itself. Hack kneed plot, bad voice acting, wintermute game engine, stock 3d characters (I mean literally), lame puzzles.
It's shovel ware with it's only claim to fame is the copy right infringement. The producers of this dreck were 3 extremely amateur game developers.
Interestingly enough I checked posts online and people all over the net are dying to get their hands on a copy of this game, which is insane. The US distributor has ceased distribution. Lawsuits would have stripped those profits and more away from anyone involved anyways. This is not a good marketing gimmick if that was what you were implying.
However, the PS3 is using a virtually off the shelf core Geforce 7800 GPU. The XBox 360 is using a variant of an off the shelf ATI 2600 (prior to the 2600 GPU ever existing.)
The XBox 360 GPU is a unified GPU and handles all DX10 features and effects, the 7800 GPU DOES NOT. (See DX10 and the specifications for Vista came from the XBox 360 team, this is why Vista can kick some serious FrameRates for games and still be a general consumer OS.)
The unified shaders are slower on the XENOS then the non-unified shaders on the RSX. The fact they are unified simply makes it much easier from a programming perspective to keep the Shaders busy. DX10 doesn't add all that much over DX9, which is irrelevant concerning graphics on consoles as DX only specifies an API that must be supported by hardware. Many Console Studios code to the metal, circumventing the API all together.
Don't forget your precious blu-ray that is so freaking slow the game has to be copied to the PS3 Hard Drive to keep up with the XBox 360 DVD player. (Mircrosoft even kindly gave Sony a heads up the slow nature of both HD-DV and Blu-Ray would be a serious issue for fast playing games that load large worlds virtually. (Most games have 'load screens' which are just hell longer on PS3, GTAIV doesn't have that luxury)
Most references to drive speeds of the PS3 vs the 360 are misleading. The DVD standard lists the peak throughput while the BD standard lists the Average throughput. In real life the BD x2 of the PS3 is around 80% of the 360's DVD x12 speeds. The difference is negated by disc caching / installing.
PS I'm a fan of NVidia, run them in every laptop and most desktops I own, even my old beat around traveling laptop is from 2005 simple early dual-core P4 w/HT and has a 7950GTX mobile GPU... Oh, the funny thing is, that 2005 laptop can run games at a higher FPS than the PS3, and even do it at full 1920x1200. Since even though it is a Mobile GPU, the 7950GTX w/512mb is FASTER THAN THE GPU in the PS3. Hope this makes you sleep better at night...:)...
trust me when I say there are more than a 'few' features the XBox 360 GPU will do that the older NVidia chip just can't handle.
The PS3 is not a general purpose computing unit and is likely cheaper then your Laptop. It does certain things much faster then your lap top (Floating points) and has dramatically better memory bandwidth. These things may come into play later. Notice how many 360 games have massive hardware requirement when ported to the PC despite using a variant of Direct X? Mostly due to difference in how the hardware works. Operation which are fast and almost free on a console would require more time from a graphics card. Conversely things like copious ram which is common on a computer are harder for a console. Thus games Designed for consoles are designed differently then those designed for a PC. It seems you are aware of that but still make the comparison?
Objectively GTA4 on the 360 or PS3 vary by minuscule degrees. Both the PS3 and the 360 are very capable machines for the money and a good competitive run for both would be in the best interest of all gamers.
One thing to remember is that there is various iterations of the cell processor. The Xbox is a 3 core version The Playstation. I believe the Playstation is a 6 core processor. The roadrunner will use a 8 core processor. IBM originally discussed having a 16 core processor. There was not much talk about it afterwards. My guess is that there was significant bus contention issues. The original Power4's shut down one of their cores while running at full speed to avoid contention. The Power6 was designed to overcome these issues. The 360 is a 3 slim core PPC chip. It isn't a cell. The PS3 cell has 1 slim PPC core and 8 SPU's (1 turned off for yeild, 1 dedicated to prevent hacking), the SPU's are the innovative thing behind the Cell. They are dumb but fast floating point number crunchers. In effect the PS3's Cell is a 7 Core processor with 6 very specialized cores while the 360's Xenon is 3 slim PPC cores. A slower variant of those PPC cores also powers the wii.
I wouldn't bank on a memory expansion on the PS3. Where would it hook up?
It would also be rather strange for them to come out with a whole new console and still call it the PS3 if it has differing memory. The PSP got a ram upgrade. The old version had 32mb of ram, the lite version has 64mb. The extra ram is used to buffer the UMD data to trim down load times and speed up other processes without altering computability. They also unlocked the CPU in firmware. Originally it was locked to preserve battery life, but a firmware revision unlocked from 222mhz to 333mhz. They upgraded the system and improved peripheral functions without changing core computability.
I'll be sad if they did this to the PS3 as I spent $600 for my launch 60gb, but if they do this I might pick up the unit if it's under $300. Ram is getting cheaper by the moment so it could make sense. Core gameplay would not be affected but they could also unlock the 8th SPU as yield gets better and have it run a thread utilizing the extra memory for something. As long as developers still target the old spec, they could add ram and enable other features such as better linux support or picture in picture (play a mpeg off the HD while playing your game).
I'm not holding my breath but this particular company has already done a ram upgrade to an existing platform. Offered new features without breakign compatability or changing developers targets and fracturing their market.
Ninja Gaiden Sigma would be a good example. He had nothing to do with the port, due to his contempt of the PS3.
Reply to This Itagaki didn't want it on the PS3 but the port was good. High rez textures, HD graphics, same responsiveness and gameplay with a bit extra to justify the purchase.
I think it was a matter of personal pride, he backed this horse and the release of it for the PS3 hurt his pride. But I don't think he quit over that. I think it's money and unfulfilled promises of cash. Perhaps they pushed him for publishing NG II, he had years to tune NG and it was a great game for it. NG II's flaws are all flaws that could be fixed with more time. Camera, cheapness, frame rate, etc... All fixable. It could have turned the supposedly 7/10 game into 9/10 with a few more months. I think MS was pushing hard to have a response for MGS4 and may have pushed too hard.
Outside Context Problem:
An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilisations would encounter just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop . . . Iain M Banks
You know, I've only recently become aware that people possessing a low UID somehow have some kind of "street cred" here on/. .
I used to (many years ago now) work with someone (with a MUCH lower UID than mine.. in the low 4 digit range) that now works for sourceforge (the company behind/.), and he's the one that introduced it to me..
I've been mostly a lurker for all that time, as my posting history indicates.
I honestly didn't expect to ignite anything like the commentary that has been spawned from my post. Most communities stratifies themselves. It's sort of a natural thing. So the low ID represents seniority and somehow means you are more then a random person, that you might be one of the founders and builders of the community. Sort of an inverse e-penis-size.
PS. I can sympathize about where you are coming from, the armed forces are a diverse place and the US armed forces are one of the more benign military entities but gets held to a higher standard because it's western. Western democracies insists it's means of martial force be as just as possible which stands out against millenias of military history where brutality and rape have been the norm.
On a site like this one, where people from the outside would presume everyone is a pasty and pimply 34 year old living in their parent's basement, I really would expect (just a little) a little more tolerance and less assumption from the people involved.
You must be new here?(low 6 digit ID must be a spoof, damn navy spooks!)
Well, except for the part where most businesses are either owned by the government, the party, or by relatives of the top party officials
Depends on which industry. There are many independent corporations in China, only the major utilities are 100% state owned. Most businesses in china are small business owned by random people. Large factories and other such businesses are also more often independent then state run. You may want to revise your opinions with some facts.
chinese people are SO roboticized that they are not even able to realize that they actually can give lemon with a dish that does not contain lemon in its menu description. 'you cant do that' they say. they dont understand they can actually give lemon with another dish, even if it does not contain the menu item, despite having the liberty to do so. in beijing restaurants. the reason for that is, they are so strictly brainwashed and made to comply with whatever rule is put that, they cant even realize that they can do something like this with their OWN menu in their OWN restaurant.
chinese do not need to be communists anymore. the current populace is SO brainwashed that communism is not needed. you should have seen it in the olympic torch runs, how radical chinese students were.
It's actually far more likely that they think you're a rude twit and refuse to comply with your demands for lemon. Having visited Beijing twice in 2005/2006 I can attest most restaurants are more then willing to cater to my order. I've gotten lemon added to my drinks, instructed them on how to make a bloody mary (since clamato is scarce there I wasn't able to get a ceasar, had them swap things around in their dished to accomadate my Cantonese/Canadian tastes.
Chinese people have news sources of questionable truth, they are generally aware of this and take things with a grain of salt. They don't like to rock the boat but they are neither brain washed nor robotized. They do however suffer from the same nationalist bug that America has so both Americans and Chinese will go on ad nauseum of how great their country is. Maybe that is brain washing but almost every nation on earth suffers from that.
Oh, the eternal burden of white man... surviving as a race. His Assertion: For all civilized parts, evolution controversy = no. Your Assertion: For all civilized parts, people = white Counter point: In parts of the US, evolution controversy = yes. Those parts people = mostly white. Thus your assertion creates a contradiction.
It's not even an interesting concept. It's totally stupid. The gatekeeper program is only going to have a limited number of cat images. All you have to do is have your program get scrape all possible images and then have a human tag all the cats. Even if you have a thousand cats among ten thousand images, it's not that hard for a persistent spammer to mark them. Take picture of an animal against big white back ground XOR other animals at random positions and splash a semi-complicated background in the back.
Then ask: Type all the different animals in this picture like this (cat, dog, pig), click for audio sample of all of them:__________________________
I recall that in the original Toy Story there is only one place they used "real physics". When the jump rope is thrown off the balcony (for the army men to descend), they used real physics to model it's tangled fall. But thye later sent it was not a good idea to use the real physics. Not only was it harder but it didn't really look right and could not be easily tweaked. So all the rest is pretend physics. What people perceive a situation to look like and how it would realistically look have drifted a lot. Due partially to the real life rarity of those situations and Hollywood/Video games distortion of it. We all expect shot guns to be massive overkill at medium to short ranges when in reality they don't hit that hard. We expect all explosions to involve flames. We expect bullets to hit with far more kinetic force then they do. We expect a whole lot of things that just don't happen in real life. It doesn't have a huge impact on most people but I'm sure it really urques the physics pedants.
Conscious parts. Your muscles can't pull a trigger at the right moment without having input from your eyes. It may bypass conscious "areas" of the brain entirely, but something has to happen in the brain for you to do anything (even breathe).
The nervous system/brain simply takes other indicators to anticipate a situation that requires an action. See ball approaching roughly at angle X distance Y, put arm at position Z to intercept. etc... FPS's are similar, hear food step, prime yourself to shoot, see dark pixel shoot! Decent FPS internet latency is between 50ms to 200 ms. since at this latency the change of state of the game is faster then our reaction time and thus it doesn't feel like our the game is lagging behind our reaction and perception.
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Would you believe she is even now unrepentant?
She replied on facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=103853763018020&id=196994196748
She believes her original mail was an apology and thinks this exposure may be good for her.
"But that is (a) a correlation, (b) doesn't demonstrate anything. Suppose that 99% of video game owners don't go on killing sprees, but 99% of killing spreeers own video games. "
Well if 99% of the people that age also own video games then you can conclude nothing. If 1% own video games at that age then you can conclude that Killers prefer video games as a hobby.
Hey, I had an N64 up until late last year. It was damned fast. With the introduction of the original Playstation, we had
Loading remainder of comment, please wait.....
load times. Yes, we can fit a lot more data onto those 750MB disks than the cartridge tech of the time. Now they're giving away 1GB Flash drives with a box of cereal. You can easily buy 16GB drives now, and that's got 4x the info of a DVD.
It'll be much easier for "Them" to lock down each game with a globally unique serial number when you're burning Flash drives; much, much harder than when you're pressing CD / DVD runs. Microchip will sell you chips (by the reel, of course) that are pre-programmed and have an incrementing sequence in one section.
Actually 16GB is 1/2 od a dual layer DVD not 1/4. As well it's manufacturers cost that drove the n64 out of contention and out of consideration with 3rd parties. While a DVD is under a penny to press in bulk flashram still has a higher cost per unit memory which the manufacturer/publisher bears. Even in retail a Flashstick for 8 gigs is around $25, a DVD-RW is a dollar. BD's aren't that much more expensive to press then a DVD. It'll take a giant advance in the expense Flashrom/Flashram production before we'll see it replace optical media. You're probably better off betting on digital downloads to tak over after BD.
The fear of M-S-L is greatly reduced now with absorb gear. M-S-L won't even tickle a absorbed oriented zealer.
I think it might be a reaction to the highly arbitrary puzzles in past adventure games. Remember FFX and the arbitrary puzzles it forced you into every once in a while, they were maddenly arbitrary and added nothing to the game. Many of the Sierra games had random arbitrary puzzles as well. This is par for the video game puzzles. They add nothing and simply provide a barrier for people. There were a few interesting puzzles but largely they were senseless and distracting. I don't really want to play the towers of Hanoi every 20 minutes so I can open a locker with ammo. I'd prefer not to have to figure out that I need to insert a spatula into a anti-matter reactor so I can power a jar opener to access a gob of acid to eat through a door. If you left it optional, then maybe; but stopping the story and game to play some ridiculous puzzle or some arbitrary item combination is not fun.
Email spammers are inherently and universally sociopaths. It is not unreasonable to consider that any given email spammer would, if it could be profitable, commit murder.
It is in certain contexts, and they do. See BlackWater.
You may actually look into the story before you invent a situation where it was right. These guys are just amateurs who took a run at the shovelware market using plagiarism to fill in where they lacked talent. Much of the coding was done on the winter mute forums as these three douches don't know much about coding. The graphics where screenshots that were badly photoshopped together because this group lacked graphic talent. Apparently from people who played it, they also lacked story telling talent as well as voice acting talent. These guys really shouldn't have tried to market their dreck shovelware and should have kept it as a amateur project.
It was probably something along the lines of:
"Got to get this room done by midnight or I'm fired."
It was a hobby project from 3 rather old men who didn't know how to code or do much.
Just to bring you up to date:
It's a shovel ware 2D adventure game that used screenshots from other games back backgrounds, items, menu's etc... The main programming was done by posing all the thing they needed done on the wintermute forums and having the community do it for them. The story is dreck and I put more effort into making breakfast on then they did making the game.
Still a bit of a shame for the (if there were any) good points of the game, that are now gone down together with the whole game due to this plagiarism.
According to gamefaqs forum, no. There wasn't any redeeming quality in the game itself. Hack kneed plot, bad voice acting, wintermute game engine, stock 3d characters (I mean literally), lame puzzles.
It's shovel ware with it's only claim to fame is the copy right infringement. The producers of this dreck were 3 extremely amateur game developers.
However, the PS3 is using a virtually off the shelf core Geforce 7800 GPU. The XBox 360 is using a variant of an off the shelf ATI 2600 (prior to the 2600 GPU ever existing.)
:) ...
The XBox 360 GPU is a unified GPU and handles all DX10 features and effects, the 7800 GPU DOES NOT. (See DX10 and the specifications for Vista came from the XBox 360 team, this is why Vista can kick some serious FrameRates for games and still be a general consumer OS.)
The unified shaders are slower on the XENOS then the non-unified shaders on the RSX. The fact they are unified simply makes it much easier from a programming perspective to keep the Shaders busy. DX10 doesn't add all that much over DX9, which is irrelevant concerning graphics on consoles as DX only specifies an API that must be supported by hardware. Many Console Studios code to the metal, circumventing the API all together.
Don't forget your precious blu-ray that is so freaking slow the game has to be copied to the PS3 Hard Drive to keep up with the XBox 360 DVD player. (Mircrosoft even kindly gave Sony a heads up the slow nature of both HD-DV and Blu-Ray would be a serious issue for fast playing games that load large worlds virtually. (Most games have 'load screens' which are just hell longer on PS3, GTAIV doesn't have that luxury)
Most references to drive speeds of the PS3 vs the 360 are misleading. The DVD standard lists the peak throughput while the BD standard lists the Average throughput. In real life the BD x2 of the PS3 is around 80% of the 360's DVD x12 speeds. The difference is negated by disc caching / installing.
PS I'm a fan of NVidia, run them in every laptop and most desktops I own, even my old beat around traveling laptop is from 2005 simple early dual-core P4 w/HT and has a 7950GTX mobile GPU... Oh, the funny thing is, that 2005 laptop can run games at a higher FPS than the PS3, and even do it at full 1920x1200. Since even though it is a Mobile GPU, the 7950GTX w/512mb is FASTER THAN THE GPU in the PS3. Hope this makes you sleep better at night...
trust me when I say there are more than a 'few' features the XBox 360 GPU will do that the older NVidia chip just can't handle.
The PS3 is not a general purpose computing unit and is likely cheaper then your Laptop. It does certain things much faster then your lap top (Floating points) and has dramatically better memory bandwidth. These things may come into play later. Notice how many 360 games have massive hardware requirement when ported to the PC despite using a variant of Direct X? Mostly due to difference in how the hardware works. Operation which are fast and almost free on a console would require more time from a graphics card. Conversely things like copious ram which is common on a computer are harder for a console. Thus games Designed for consoles are designed differently then those designed for a PC. It seems you are aware of that but still make the comparison?
Objectively GTA4 on the 360 or PS3 vary by minuscule degrees. Both the PS3 and the 360 are very capable machines for the money and a good competitive run for both would be in the best interest of all gamers.
It would also be rather strange for them to come out with a whole new console and still call it the PS3 if it has differing memory. The PSP got a ram upgrade. The old version had 32mb of ram, the lite version has 64mb. The extra ram is used to buffer the UMD data to trim down load times and speed up other processes without altering computability. They also unlocked the CPU in firmware. Originally it was locked to preserve battery life, but a firmware revision unlocked from 222mhz to 333mhz. They upgraded the system and improved peripheral functions without changing core computability.
I'll be sad if they did this to the PS3 as I spent $600 for my launch 60gb, but if they do this I might pick up the unit if it's under $300. Ram is getting cheaper by the moment so it could make sense. Core gameplay would not be affected but they could also unlock the 8th SPU as yield gets better and have it run a thread utilizing the extra memory for something. As long as developers still target the old spec, they could add ram and enable other features such as better linux support or picture in picture (play a mpeg off the HD while playing your game).
I'm not holding my breath but this particular company has already done a ram upgrade to an existing platform. Offered new features without breakign compatability or changing developers targets and fracturing their market.
He had nothing to do with the port, due to his contempt of the PS3.
Reply to This Itagaki didn't want it on the PS3 but the port was good. High rez textures, HD graphics, same responsiveness and gameplay with a bit extra to justify the purchase.
I think it was a matter of personal pride, he backed this horse and the release of it for the PS3 hurt his pride. But I don't think he quit over that. I think it's money and unfulfilled promises of cash. Perhaps they pushed him for publishing NG II, he had years to tune NG and it was a great game for it. NG II's flaws are all flaws that could be fixed with more time. Camera, cheapness, frame rate, etc... All fixable. It could have turned the supposedly 7/10 game into 9/10 with a few more months. I think MS was pushing hard to have a response for MGS4 and may have pushed too hard.
Ahh well, PC/Linux version here I come...
I used to (many years ago now) work with someone (with a MUCH lower UID than mine.. in the low 4 digit range) that now works for sourceforge (the company behind
I've been mostly a lurker for all that time, as my posting history indicates.
I honestly didn't expect to ignite anything like the commentary that has been spawned from my post. Most communities stratifies themselves. It's sort of a natural thing. So the low ID represents seniority and somehow means you are more then a random person, that you might be one of the founders and builders of the community. Sort of an inverse e-penis-size.
PS. I can sympathize about where you are coming from, the armed forces are a diverse place and the US armed forces are one of the more benign military entities but gets held to a higher standard because it's western. Western democracies insists it's means of martial force be as just as possible which stands out against millenias of military history where brutality and rape have been the norm.
On a site like this one, where people from the outside would presume everyone is a pasty and pimply 34 year old living in their parent's basement, I really would expect (just a little) a little more tolerance and less assumption from the people involved.
You must be new here?(low 6 digit ID must be a spoof, damn navy spooks!)
Well, except for the part where most businesses are either owned by the government, the party, or by relatives of the top party officials
Depends on which industry. There are many independent corporations in China, only the major utilities are 100% state owned. Most businesses in china are small business owned by random people. Large factories and other such businesses are also more often independent then state run. You may want to revise your opinions with some facts.
chinese people are SO roboticized that they are not even able to realize that they actually can give lemon with a dish that does not contain lemon in its menu description. 'you cant do that' they say. they dont understand they can actually give lemon with another dish, even if it does not contain the menu item, despite having the liberty to do so. in beijing restaurants. the reason for that is, they are so strictly brainwashed and made to comply with whatever rule is put that, they cant even realize that they can do something like this with their OWN menu in their OWN restaurant.
chinese do not need to be communists anymore. the current populace is SO brainwashed that communism is not needed. you should have seen it in the olympic torch runs, how radical chinese students were.
It's actually far more likely that they think you're a rude twit and refuse to comply with your demands for lemon. Having visited Beijing twice in 2005/2006 I can attest most restaurants are more then willing to cater to my order. I've gotten lemon added to my drinks, instructed them on how to make a bloody mary (since clamato is scarce there I wasn't able to get a ceasar, had them swap things around in their dished to accomadate my Cantonese/Canadian tastes.
Chinese people have news sources of questionable truth, they are generally aware of this and take things with a grain of salt. They don't like to rock the boat but they are neither brain washed nor robotized. They do however suffer from the same nationalist bug that America has so both Americans and Chinese will go on ad nauseum of how great their country is. Maybe that is brain washing but almost every nation on earth suffers from that.
Your Assertion: For all civilized parts, people = white
Counter point:
In parts of the US, evolution controversy = yes.
Those parts people = mostly white.
Thus your assertion creates a contradiction.
Then ask: Type all the different animals in this picture like this (cat, dog, pig), click for audio sample of all of them:__________________________