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China's Cyberwar Against India
An anonymous reader writes "China's cyber warfare army is marching on, and India is suffering silently. Over the past one and a half years, officials said, China has mounted almost daily attacks on Indian computer networks, both government and private, showing its intent and capability."
Back then, they used to say of the jews that they'd be "stupid enough to sell the rope to hang them".
Well, it seems that the american bourgeois are just as stupid, by buying stuff from communist, the very political class that's dedicaced to eradicate them...
or War? Typo in the heading :)
Cyberwaar, what is it good foor?
Anyone know what the "US spy incident" is that is mentioned at the end of the article?
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Of all the countries that could get attacked, you think that India could defend itself. I'm not being a troll here. They've done really well in the IT sector and they've got some pretty smart people there, so say the least.
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Is this Chinese government or botnets on Chinese computers?
My server gets nailed daily from China but I doubt their government knows anything about it so I'm finding these stories a bit paranoid.
I wonder how this waar will develop in the coming months, will it lead to real hostilities or just peter out? open hostilities, akin to waar, should be taken seriously. I am beginning to wonder if cyber space is going to be the battle ground where there are very few real consequences and as such hostilities there escalate at an alarming rate.
I got no less than 6 popups from TFA. Please don't submit stories like this, thanks.
Whaat's aa waar?
Seriously, one would think that the substantial investment in IT support and consulting in India would result in a national capability to defend itself against this kind of stuff...
dave
According to sources in the government, Chinese hackers are acknowledged experts in setting up BOTS. A BOT is a parasite program embedded in a network, which hijacks the network and makes other computers act according to its wishes, which, in turn, are controlled by "external" forces.
BOTS? Really? As in BOTnets? Shows how much of a CLUE the journalist who wrote this has.
You just got troll'd!
They know a good portion of our information is likely stored in databases in India. What better way
to obtain that information than to attack a third party with less defenses.
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not communist
north korea is officially called "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". north korea is also just about the least democratic country in the world. meaning: you shouldn't trust official names
at one time, yes, china was a communist country that practiced communist ideology. that was a long time ago. it is more exact today to say the china is perhaps the most capitalist country in the world, rivalling the gilded ages of victorian times in the usa, when capitalism ran amok with very few legal constraints. such that you had monopolies, child labor, pinkerton gangs hobbling the kneecaps of unionists, etc back then in the usa. now in china you have pretty much the same thing. in china now there are multibillionaires and starving peasants on a scale of ultrarich cities versus grueling impoverished countryside like nowhere else except perhaps the rich gulf arab oil states
china is not a worker's paradise anymore, it is a capitalist's paradise, because there are no pesky democratic impulses in the political sphere to interfere with the pure unadulterated pursuit of the almighty buck. its pure autocracy, technocracy, pure capitalism. china is one giant corporation now
that the country is officially run by something called the "Communist Party of China" is just sort of a cosmic ironic joke at this point
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
additionally im spiritualist, kinda a neo hippie. but chinese are annoying me with all kinds of aggression they are practicing.
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These cyber-attacks may be the latest thing, but India has a long and storied history of putting up with all kinds of Chinese antics - including military incursions into Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh, arms sales to Pakistan, military overflights, etc.
The Indian policy of non-retaliation and diplomatic discourse only seems to embolden the Chinese to take further advantage of the situation and keep on pushing the boundaries.
...ban Chinese IPs on their routers?
chinese people are SO roboticized that they are not even able to realize that they actually can give lemon with a dish that does not contain lemon in its menu description. 'you cant do that' they say. they dont understand they can actually give lemon with another dish, even if it does not contain the menu item, despite having the liberty to do so. in beijing restaurants. the reason for that is, they are so strictly brainwashed and made to comply with whatever rule is put that, they cant even realize that they can do something like this with their OWN menu in their OWN restaurant.
chinese do not need to be communists anymore. the current populace is SO brainwashed that communism is not needed. you should have seen it in the olympic torch runs, how radical chinese students were.
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It may help India reject the Swiss Cheese of Microsoft products in favour of a more solid infrastructure.
you had me at #!
ALMOST daily? Phew, I feel relieved now. ;)
Really though, I think China is just trying to take down the U.S. by removing all of our tech support.
-Or- these attacks are really from U.S. unions trying to combat outsourcing.
There have been a lot of these Chinese "cyber attack" articles recently, but as far as I can tell, all of them are simply attributing attacks from Chinese IP addresses as "attacks by China". China now has surpassed the US in internet usage in absolute numbers, and many (if not most) of the networked computers in China are running unpatched versions of Windows XP, making them the ideal breeding ground for Botnets (just take a look at your router logs). But are these Botnets actually being controlled by people in China? If the SPAM spewed out by these Botnets is any indication, then the answer is a resounding no.
A lot of FUD, a lot of "according to senior officials in the government" and a protracted demonstration of inept journalism. Whatever you do, do not watch the linked video clip.
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P.S. I am NOT attempting to use reverse psychology here. Just stay away. Really
If this were an operation mounted by the Chinese government, surely it would be done in secret. After all, you wouldn't want the winds political will to blow against you, especially when you're going to be hosting the Olympics, let alone the possible trade embargos and such. In fact, if it were a government op, then wouldn't the attack seem to come from anywhere BUT china (or, mostly from outside, with a few deniable inside sources)?
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
They know full well they're on their way to being the next super power and everyone relies on them for pretty much everything. So I don't think the government really cares what others think about their activities.
AFAIR (as far as I remember) that attack on Estonia has been performed by one guy. Yes, some servers used in the attack were based in Russia. Yes, a lot of zombies around the world has been used in the attack. And yes this guy's nationality was Russian, but the guy has been citizen of Estonia.
But abovementioned officials may have far more information. Maybe the guy was a citizen of Estonia but secretly employed by his mother Russia. Who knows?
hany
if you view china itself as one giant corporation, and the world as the marketplace, you can call it capitalism. just shift the scope of what you are talking about from how things work inside china to how china relates to the world
how things work inside china is police state: you have no rights to expression, to vote, to the press, or anything other than work. every aspect of your media is controlled by the government, every aspect of your expression is censored and unapproved expression (talking ill of your government, oppressed minorities, or even just pornography places you at the jeopardy of being punished)
so this is indeed not capitalism. it is merely life inside the corporate structure. a corporation exists within a captalist framework, but life INSIDE the corporation, how things work inside the machine, are not capitalistic, they are autocratic, an oligarchy (i called china an autocracy, it would be more accurate to call it an oligarchy: it is not run by one grumpy old man, but a gang of grumpy old men)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
I work in Computer Lab in a German University, and we get multiple brute force attacks a day from Chinese hosts. Does that mean that China is secretly mapping the network infrastructure of the German education system? I think not. IMO TFA is rather due to a deeply entrenched fear of spies and espionage in the Indian society, also the collective trauma of being hated by all neighbouring countries.
Not everyone who commits a crime or act of aggression is a fucking terrorist. Just cause you use the internet to carry out a malicious act does not make you a "CYBER TERRORIST". If I drive my car down the road like an asshole it doesn't make me a vehicular terrorist. This language has been used to promote an endless conflict used to justify indefinite wartime power. Makes me feel we are just as programmed as many of the chinese.
They all want to go to USA :)
If I drive my car down the road like an asshole it doesn't make me a vehicular terrorist.
Are you the bleeding vehicular terrorist who tried to sideswipe me coming up to the tollbooth on the beltway last week?
OK, all joking aside... I agree that terms like "terrorist" are being abused, though really it's the word "war" that's the problem. The US government declares a "war on" something vague and undefiniable, and all of a sudden the constitution is tossed out of the window. Whether the opponents are labeled "terrorists" or "drug lords" the result is the same.
On the other hand, when a country engages in aggression within the borders of another country during peacetime. Didn't that used to be called an act of war? What do you do about it short of declaring war? Does it matter which of the two countries is more pro-USA?
The result is that we are in a "state of war" all the time, but the President doesn't have to go cap-in-hand to Congress for each piddling little not-really-an-invasion. I don't see that as a good thing, and it's a much bigger problem than one of the particular abuses of language that are being used to justify it.
I'm tempted to say they're raping the language but of course that's just more of the same kind of verbal warfare that... hmmm... there I go again...
On the gripping hand, I'm not the CiC of the US armed forces.
Americans would not spew out spam that said to increase your size, that you have to eat deer or tiger penis. So, nope, not ours.
Nor would we spew out spam that says
Want to increase your size? Da, of course your girlfriends wants you to. You must bath in Lake Bakal for that
So again not ours.
No, we would spit spam that says that you must buy from McDonalds or Burger King. Oh Damn, that is our spam.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
The writer of the article also refers to the Estonian Cyberattack:
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/17/1248215&tid=172
He states it was a targetted attack by the Russian government, but fails to mention that a 20 year old student was fined for the whole affair:
http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/25/0120221
Not saying that it wasn't the russian government, it would have been easy to create a scapegoat for them, but not mentioning this in the article makes it very easy to doubt if the author actually considered if this was really a government run attack or just some Chinese individual being pissed off with India.
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Can we presume that the Western/democratic world, which owns most of the international backbone, has in place the option of simply dropping all of China from the Internet in the case of a crisis?
Sure, they have agents abroad who could trigger a botnet. Still, shouldn't any concerted use of the Internet in warfare be met by a total severance of the nation making that use from the Internet, not just in the short term, but forever?
"with their freedom lost all virtue lose" - Milton
China's GDP growth is one of the highest, if not the highest, for the last 20 years.
i would modify your comment to say that china is not a capitalist country on the INSIDE, but it is very much a capitalist country in how it relates to the wider world: china is one giant corporation
look at your average corporation: on the inside of the corporation it is run like an autocracy, or an oligarchy, just liek china is. the average corporation exists within a capitalist framework, but capitalism has nothing to do with how the corporation functions on the inside
and so it is with china: view china as one giant corporation, and you understand capitalism's true relationship to china
i'm just riffing on my previous comment, btw:
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=543286&cid=23299960
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
of the trollocracy ;-)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
taught after centuries of controlled education that they are the best civilization ... and the whole world is part of mainland china headed by tao guy...
The so called "attacks" are more of low level exploits which can be avoided easily by user following proper security checks. as far as the networks go, simply ban all IPs coming from china - they anyway dont have any useful information for anybody in the world - let alone for themselves!
just a bunch of losers trying to pose tough by keeping quite and staring.
That's really silly of China. I'm sure if China asked decently, India will simply hand over all the porn without much of a hassle!
It's a Times of India article. Your most reliable source of news in India is the The Hindu. Don't let it's name throw you off - the paper is more reliable than the other English dailies in the country and prides itself on reporting news as close as it gets.
Because of the unique (hopefully) situation of 9/11, W. has been able to hide a great deal from the public and even congress. As such, it is hard to say that W. represents the will of the ppl, when the vast majority do not know what is really going on. Of course, you can argue that is the way we operate all the time, but I doubt that it is has been that way since at least Nixon.
In fact, I have been amazed that with all this "open" questions being asked of candidates over the news service, that we are not seeing questions about openess. In particular, W. shut down our seeing the 20 year opening of past presidents, starting with reagan. It specifically allowed the family the ability to hide any number of issues. While I do not believe that we should have information about a president's personal life, I do think that we are owed ALL of the information that relates to how a pres. worked. For example, it would be useful to know what reagan knew about October surprise as well as Iran-Contra and hiding of that information. Supposedly Obama has said that he will go after W. for his destroying items (emails in particular) and will presumably ungag Sibel Edmunds to some degree, but will he allow us to see how reagan, Poppa Bush, and Clinton ran their presidencies? Sadly, I seriously doubt that Clinton will open up that much as it could boomerang back on her personally, even though it is the right thing to do. W. is a special case in that he has hid more information than even Nixon who was absolutely paranoid about information leaks.
Currently, I see more similaries and less difference between China's gov and W's, except that China has competent ppl.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
When the government of the United States finally chooses to reveal the duration, extent, and magnitude of the US/Chinese cyberwar, including photographic evidence tying known chinese hackers with PLA intelligence officers; maybe then all you who refuse to recognize the Chinese governments complicity and and responsibility for these attack campaigns will finally acknowledge you have been sticking your head in the sands for years.
is IMHO the concern behind a lot of similar articles that seem to proliferate these days.
I am kind of curious to see if the chinese governement will be able to prevent this kind of nationalism to surface in the Olympic games.
where there are less paranoid schizophrenic twits constantly obsessing with Them(tm), who control all minds by controlling all media secretly in the background
but ignore me dude. i'm obviously a neocon apologist agent of the illumnati come to cast aspersions on your blindingly keen insights into our contemporary media landscape
don't let me interfere with your cutting grasp of the current state of the secret world domination conspiracy
they've fooled everyone but YOU! YOU ALONE KNOW THE TRUTH. BUT NOW THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU. YOU ARE THE LAST OF A DYING BRAVE FEW TO REALIZE THE REAL TRUTH OF OUR COMPROMISED MEDIA. YOU TOOK A BIG RISK POSTING HERE
watch out! behind you!
(snicker)
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Oh, look in the mirror please, americans. You've been rolling your military machine all over the planet for the past 60 years continuously overthrowing even democratic governments and supporting the worst dictators on this planet, including Saddam. What have the Chinese done during that time?
its exactly like you said. they are able to give the lemon without the other dish, but they cant comprehend such a thing, because it was not set as a rule. there is no rule against it too.
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there are more of them, like how drivers are actually driving BACKWARDS in a no-cross part of the road until they reach the part marked as crossable to the other side, after stopping at a red light and realizing they need to get to the other side. the irony is that, going backwards in a red light, even they are alone in the road, is much worse than trying to cross over from no-cross line to the other lane.
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Key loggers is software that scans computers and their processes and data the moment you hit a key on the keyboard.
this is from parent, people. wow
So Chinese hackers could conceivably shut down the entire US technical support / customer service infrastructure. The obvious question is, given the current quality of service, would anyone notice?
China feels India snapping at it's heels in the world market for cheap mass produced goods and low cost technology. When will we see the "made in India" sticker on the back of crap from Wal-mart?
China says "over our dead bodies". Hee, hee, hee! maybe they'll cancel each other out and Americans can get their jobs back.
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...given that China has an absolute authoritarian system of control, and India is bitterly divided along ideological lines, China should have little trouble penetrating and subjugating the country. Already, the Han Chinese chauvinists have been responsible for funding the entire Communist party machinery in India, and have effectively created a subversive government (The Communist Party of India) that is the agent of a hostile foreign country. The CIA has already provided evidence as to how Indian Communists, underthe instructions of their Chinese paymasters, infiltrated the Indian Army during the Sino-Indian war and betray military secrets to Beijing.
http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/POLO/polo-07.pdf
http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/POLO/polo-08.pdf
http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/POLO/polo-09.pdf
http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/ESAU/esau-15.pdf
Highlights include:
#CPI(M) [Communist Party of India Marxist] heavyweight HK Surjeet influenced by Communist Soviet Russia to setup an underground organization
#CPI(M) did proceed to recruit a secret organization within the Indian Army.
#China and Soviet Russia both insisted that the CPI(M) must develop a standby apparatus capable of armed resistance, while intensifying penetration of Indian Military forces.
#With the People's Liberation Army now present along the Indian Border the Indian Party had a channel of support for Armed Operations and a potential "liberator" in the event of mass uprisings - 13 Sept 1959
#4 powerful radio sets had been installed in the office of the China Review in Calcutta to listen to broadcasts from Beijing
#Chinese Financial Subsidies to sections of the CPI(M) particularly the left faction strongholds in West Bengal
#A foreign supply base was now available for the underground organizations with the Chinese occupation of Tibet and other frontier areas.
#Letter asking for collaboration in Indian underground organization work aimed at an eventual revolution, because China has a border with India and can provide arms and supplies.
#Also Jaipal Singh, head of the illegal organization within the Indian Army decided to reactivate his organization in 1961 following the hard left faction gaining control of the party.
In addition, the Communist Party of India have successfully carried out several pogroms and genocides against Hindus and Tibetan refugees in India, particularly during the 70's and 80's, all as part of a Trotskyist strategy of maintaining a state of "permanent revolution" (the most recent one being the Nandigram SEZ Massacre), all at the behest of their Chinese paymasters.
China has also aggressively sponsored the terrorist Naxalite Communist terror movement in India by financing major Communist radicals (ethnic Bengali Bolshevists like Charu Mazumdar and Kanu Sanyal received training from Chinese war camps in Tibet only to subsequently lead the naxalite reign of terror across India's "Red Corridor").
For a developing country, India is too damn democratic. If India was more authoritarian it would have taken care of such subversive Communist elements a long time ago, but India's democracy is it's greatest weakness, particularly when it is surrounded by totalitarian regimes like Pakistan and China that represent a major existential threat to the country.
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That rug really tied the room together.
Appended to the end of comments you post. 120 chars.
it really did.
... its my carpet and they had no right to piss on it. im gonna go and get my carpet.
you know
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Does slashdot exercise NO quality control at all? Is it just the firehose now? Is there even a reason to have editors at all?
Done with slashdot, done with nerds, getting a life.
1. Make 1,000,000 chinese men with computers sit in a 2000 x 5000 matrix formation
2. General Xu Poo Yin Boo shouts an order
3. Everyone presses ENTER for the website www.india.gov
4. ???????
5. CYBER VICTORY for CHINA!
please read it attentively this time. and maybe a few other posts of mine in the thread. you'll see what actually happened, and who it had happened to.
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Also barbecue, honey mustard, ranch, chipolete, buffalo...
shit, I think I just gave away that I am an American...
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HA! I had the lemon! And the pledge also.
Even if it was not in the dish.
And they said the lemon was there but it was not.
The dish promised lemon, but a lemon said the dish was not there.
You think I am joking?
LIMES know! As do many of our citrus cousins!
Lemon is not a dish, stupid! And Pinoqachole is not a drink.
The writings of Lae-zi boiy did say so in 3722 BCE (your colander).
Stupid corrupt Westerner!
Really!
Your snit cannot be taken seriously.
I understand stupid gwailo AND have mastered the shew-chak also!
The three gorgeous damn ladies can attest to this! You have no rubric to rub on and no rubicon to rub over!
What pretentious pinoqachole-abusing snit-monger you are!
Go home to your eel-covered bedskins.
And think about Malwart and where it has gotten all of us!
Do you agree?
Not so!
Many peoples of this planet can have racist and furtive ideas!
Chinese people are POST-HIPPIE.
And have many hipp and shoulder the blame from you Americans!
Do you eat pork and then sell the bone?
It is time you looked at our skyscapers. And said they are marvellous.
And stop worshipping your corporate Malwart merchandising that you love so much!
Spiritualist is in eye of beholder!
As your Marxist Groucho said: " I would not be a member of any club that would club.. I mean a member of group that would club seals? ahh.. ? Any group that would remember my club?"
Well. Whatever.
Shut up, American and go buy a Lenovo!
Most Indians are suffering from ASPD and BPD. http://www.rtiindia.org/forum/3975-aspd-bpd-diagnosis.html#post13722
India must have reservations till 85% of all registered marriages are inter-caste. Till then, Vote for candidates from your caste only. Do not care if he is corrupt or competent!!!!
You are a right wing ideologue...nothing wrong in that, but you trample on your own propaganda.
India is bitterly divided along ideological lines, China should have little trouble penetrating and subjugating the country.
You are talking about China invading India and replacing her Government - similar to what USA did to Iraq. And all of this starts with botnets attacking Indian networks. Kindly put this proposal to a Hindi/Bollywood Producer and you might make some money.
The CIA has already provided evidence as to how Indian Communists, underthe instructions of their Chinese paymasters, infiltrated the Indian Army during the Sino-Indian war and betray military secrets to Beijing.
Did you read the PDF's?
I could see mention of Indian Communists trying to avoid public backlash against with their association to Communist ideologies. That is different from your accusation of Indian Communists actively helping Chinese Military in the border skirmishes in Arunachal Pradesh!!!
What you falsely accuse Indian Communists is of treason! You even link to PDFs on CIA website -as if CIA is an upholder of truth, democracy and all other shiny and lofty ideals.
The rest of your arguments are hogwash. Kanu Sanyal and Charu Majumdar are revolutionaries (Naxalites) for some and terrorists for others - but even their enemies would admit they had admirable dreams and ideas for the Indian rural poor.
Take a look at what happened to Nepal. When the Maoists entered the political space, they won the election...now what would you say about that!
For a developing country, India is too damn democratic. If India was more authoritarian it would have taken care of such subversive Communist elements a long time ago, but India's democracy is it's greatest weakness, particularly when it is surrounded by totalitarian regimes like Pakistan and China that represent a major existential threat to the country.
The "communists to be dealt with" are active political parties working in the framework of Indian constitution and running state administrations in West Bengal, Tripura and Kerala. The current Central Government runs with their support.
However I dislike the ultra right wing elements and proponents of Hindutva - the versions of Hindu Taleban - like Bajrang Dal, VHP, Shiva Sena, Narendra Modi and others, I would not ask them to be "dealt with".
im no westerner, and wondering why are you posting as anonymous coward ? a chinese brainwashed nationalist teenager ? probably. your nation doesnt even let you expose your ideas with your real identity on the net.
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And I assume your article in Hindi reads much better?