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Previously Uncontacted Amazon Tribe Photographed

ManicMechanic and other readers sent in news of a tribe of aboriginal people from the border of Peru and Brazil that has been photographed by helicopter for the first time. The images show huts in a village and people in red body paint shooting arrows at the helicopter. The outfit that released the photos, Survival International, works to end illegal logging in the rainforest in order to protect the uncontacted tribes living there. They estimate that 100 uncontacted groups exist worldwide, about half of them in the Amazon basin.

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  1. Prioritize, people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll


    They should stop the logging in the Amazon for the good of the whole planet, not just because a handful of greasy, inbred savages live there.

    1. Re:Prioritize, people! by 2.7182 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well said !!
      I am going to stop loggin into Amazon too. Why let them have my cc# on file ? Each time I am going to type it in!! Be green!!

    2. Re:Prioritize, people! by SputnikPanic · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Greasy inbred savages"? Columbus, is that you?

    3. Re:Prioritize, people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, sorry -- just got here.

      What'd I miss while I was gone?

    4. Re:Prioritize, people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Enough! Americans are not all greasy inbred savages!!!!

      Wait... What?

    5. Re:Prioritize, people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought he was referring to his peers on /.

    6. Re:Prioritize, people! by theshibboleth · · Score: 1, Interesting

      To be fair, the whole human species is pretty inbred. Genetic data points to a common origin in the relatively recent past with not very many individuals involved. My figures might be off, but I believe it's something like the almost all the genes of our species can be traced to maybe 500 individuals 2000 years ago.

      In any case, relative to a lot of other species, humans are way less diverse. By the time you get to breeding with second cousins, it's as though you're breeding with any random person, so as long as this group can maintain at least that much distance in their sexual relationships, they should be fine. And considering they've lived this long it's likely they will. Most cultures have taboos against incest and it's imprinted on the human brain not to breed with those you live with.

      Oh, and by the way, the OP should be modded troll.

    7. Re:Prioritize, people! by Mr.+Jaggers · · Score: 1

      You mean Cortés, right?

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    8. Re:Prioritize, people! by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Informative

      My figures might be off, but I believe it's something like the almost all the genes of our species can be traced to maybe 500 individuals 2000 years ago.

      Yep, those figures are off: 2,000 years ago, there were over 1 million people in downtown Rome alone. Maybe you mean 20,000 years?

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    9. Re:Prioritize, people! by theshibboleth · · Score: 1

      No, sorry, I should have said this... that is what the genetic data suggests in terms of the diversity of the human genome... obviously we know for a fact that people have been around much longer than that. (And that other similar species also used to exist.) It's one of the pieces of evidence though that suggests humans did not converge from several different species but rather were one species that managed to survive unlike other homo species.

    10. Re:Prioritize, people! by SputnikPanic · · Score: 1

      You mean Cortés, right? Point taken. Of course, the one who probably most reflected the attitude that the native inhabitants of the New World were "greasy, inbred savages" was probably Pizarro. I think it's somewhat unfair to judge historic figures by modern standards and sensibilities, but even allowing for the times he lived in, Pizarro was a monster.
    11. Re:Prioritize, people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's Southerners to you!

  2. Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by elrous0 · · Score: 0

    Is it just me, or do some of those "tribesmen" look like they're wearing colonial Spanish armour? Looks like pictures taken from a movie set or as a joke to me.

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    1. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Rycross · · Score: 1

      Which one? I don't see that.

    2. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're right, the picture that the summary links to does look fake, 90x57 dimensions are high def enough for me to tell that this is all CGI.

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    3. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Better versions are at CNN. Pic 1 and Pic 2

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    4. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oops, here is Pic 2

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    5. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by imunfair · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I see some shiny belts and shoes, but really - I'd call it fake more on the basis of every single tribe member being head to toe in red, orange, or black paint. (You can tell the black is paint if you look at the hands - way different color)

      I just don't see a bunch of natives hanging around in the forest all painted up with no where to go.

    6. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black people's hands are usually much whiter than their skin, so theres a chance that guys skin color is genuine.

    7. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      To me it looks like a lot of them are looking up at the camera.
      So... any bets on what'll be there when the next flyover happens? I'm thinking a large plane-shaped altar complete with human sacrifice to keep the great sky devil away...

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    8. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by mckorr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nope, that's a picture of my backyard during the "Conquistador Fetish Ball".

    9. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not much better. They go on a helicopter over uncharted Amazonian jungle, and the best camera they bring is their cel phone?

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    10. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      You gotta admit, they have balls for trying to attack a helicopter, something presumably they have never seen before. Imaging seeing a helicoper, when the most advanced thing you have ever seen is a bow and arrow.

      It would be fun to show them the real world. Either that or let them shoot some arrows, then fire back a couple hellfire missles, just to let them know who's boss.

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    11. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is it just me, or do some of those "tribesmen" look like they're wearing colonial Spanish armour? Looks like pictures taken from a movie set or as a joke to me.

      No, I think it's just you, it doesn't look like Spanish armor at all. Just because you're wearing a hat that's rather tall in the middle and slopes down on either side doesn't make you a Conquistador.

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    12. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Funny

      They go on a helicopter over uncharted Amazonian jungle, and the best camera they bring is their cel phone?

      Can you hear me now?

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    13. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just don't see a bunch of natives hanging around in the forest all painted up with no where to go.

      Why, exactly?

      The Amazon basin is immense and large parts of it are almost as remote as you can get on the planet.

      It's not like there isn't a long history of remote tribes who haven't really had much or any contact with "modern" people in that area.

      Even a lot of the tribes which have had contact are still so isolated from the modern world that there have been only minor changes in their lives.

      Short of a little outright disbelief in anything you hear, on what basis would you conclude there can't be any remote tribes that haven't been contacted before?

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    14. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by DanielHC · · Score: 5, Informative

      As far as i know, there will be no contact between them and... the rest of the world. Our government (yes, I'm from Brazil) said that making contact would be a violation of their rights (?). So, the idea is to demarcate their land, and let them enjoy stone age.

      PS. by "our government" I mean FUNAI, the government agency that takes care of the indians.

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    15. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by snowraver1 · · Score: 1

      "As far as i know, there will be no contact between them and... the rest of the world."
      I think it's cruel to show them a helicoptor though. Imagine seeing that! Do they think it's a giant wasp? Do they know it's man made? Was the phototographer visible in the helicoptor? If it were me in the primitive village and I saw a marvel of human engineering, I would have to see more. I'd leave the village in search of other marvels. Showing this to them is mean and will likely break up thier society.

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    16. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by jcgf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Either that or let them shoot some arrows, then fire back a couple hellfire missles, just to let them know who's boss.

      That would be cool. It would also be funny if you just hovered there and let their arrows bounce off until they got tired of shooting them. Then just start flashing a bunch of colored lights in geometric patterns. Once you have done that, leave the immediate area for a bit.

      Then come back at night, abduct one of their tribesmen and put him in a bright room. Once he is in the room, we come in with dark sunglasses with big lenses and snazzy white coveralls to go with the shades. We should ignore him/her if they try to speak to us (we likely won't understand their language anyways). At this point we should shove probes up their asses and then take blood and other bodily fluid samples. If the abductee is female, she should be impregnated (artificial insemination is best, but if you are desperate just find a human with similar skin color and don't have him where the coveralls and glasses combo).

      In the event that you do get a female and impregnate her, come back in 3 or 4 months (time isn't important, just be sure to get there before the end of the second trimester so that the baby has very little chance of surviving outside of the womb). When you come back, put the coveralls and glasses back on and abduct the woman again. Once you have her, remove the fetus and have your dark skinned pal make some hand gestures to indicate that the baby would live "up there" (point up to the sky etc). Then place a tiny piece of a meteorite under her skin (I recommend administering a good narcotic dose here, not enough to put her to sleep but enough to make her groggy and unaware). You can either keep the fetus or throw it away at this point, you won't need it again for our purposes (though I recommend keeping it as you can sell it to stem cell researchers or you can dissect it yourself if you like embryology and you just never no when an aborted fetus might come in handy - it's best to store them in a deep freeze or similar device).

      Finally, every few years, come back and abduct her again. Each time you do it come back with the same weird looking kid (note that he must be both wierd looking in some fashion and of similar skin color and body type to the abductee). Have her play with the kid and give her food and drink that would appear strange to her (you could just bring something from burger king just make sure to present it in an odd fashion). If she seems upset to leave the kid behind, have the kid indicate that he can't survive outside in the air (he could just take deep breaths and then pretend to gag while pointing outside).

      This is a wonderful hobby, but be warned that it's easy to get carried away with it.

    17. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by datapharmer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well if you read the article here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022822/Incredible-pictures-Earths-uncontacted-tribes-firing-bows-arrows.html you would know that they painted themselves after the helicopter made its first pass and is likely a sign of aggression. As an Anthropologist I can tell you that elaborate body painting is not uncommon in this region. This is real, but the information is rather poor quality and biased (and the latter article is very ethnocentric - you will NEVER find a culture that hasn't changed in 10,000 year's contact or not!)

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    18. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by xerxesVII · · Score: 2, Funny

      Damn, is my dad going to sad when I break this bit of news to him.

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    19. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by ProppaT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It would be fun to show them the real world. I find that statement ironic, seeing that they live in nature and you're surrounded by concrete.
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    20. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

      if the real world is what we make it, then concrete is indeed our real world.

    21. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Kelbear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think his skepticism of the photo stemmed more from people choosing to go about their day-to-day activities covered head-to-toe in body paint. The effort expended in maintaing this lifestyle seemed unlikely to the poster, making it look like an attempt to create an "exotic" picture by introducing a strange foreign habit.

      The GP does not appear to have a problem believe that people could live in the amazon without contact. He just finds it hard to believe that people will waste that much time painting themselves for no practical benefit. However, he probably hadn't compared this to the effort that is often spent on religion in modern society.

    22. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry. Local talk show host Artio Bellio is now tackling the topic of these mysterious UFOs and the little white men inside. Topics include first contact and whether they'll have any chance to fight back with their spears if they survive.

    23. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by afedaken · · Score: 2, Funny

      Barbarian Archers. S'okie. I've got a nice stack of Combat I Swordsmen coming down the road in short order.

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    24. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by snowraver1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh please! Okay, you tell me where you can get aborted fetuses for seventy cents on the dollar? You tell me, Chuck? ...Yeah, I didn't think so-You know, I'm just like the fetuses, Chuck. I wasn't born yesterday, either. Uh huh. ...So are you gonna talk to me, or are we just gonna keep bull shitting each other? Breakin' my balls, Chuck.

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    25. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Looks like two oompa loompas and a sasquatch

    26. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by CowboyNealOption · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The thing about living the life they live is instead of spending all day commuting to work, sitting at a computer, washing dishes, filling out tax forms, and sitting in front of the boobtube, they spend a few hours gathering food and the rest of the time they can do whatever they want. Hell for all we know painting their bodies is their equivalent of American Idol.

    27. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      brilliant

    28. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by CowboyNealOption · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You gotta admit, they have balls for trying to attack a helicopter... And people wonder why aliens would think twice about making contact with us.
    29. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by mikael · · Score: 5, Interesting

      During World War II, aviators experienced the effects of cargo cult beliefs

      The most widely known period of cargo cult activity, however, was in the years during and after World War II. First the Japanese arrived with a great deal of unknown equipment and later Allied forces also used the islands in the same way. The vast amounts of war matériel that were airdropped onto these islands during the Pacific campaign against the Empire of Japan necessarily meant drastic changes to the lifestyle of the islanders, many of whom had never seen Westerners or Japanese before. Manufactured clothing, medicine, canned food, tents, weapons, and other useful goods arrived in vast quantities to equip soldiers. Some of it was shared with the islanders who were their guides and hosts. With the end of the war the airbases were abandoned, and "cargo" was no longer being dropped.

      In attempts to get cargo to fall by parachute or land in planes or ships again, islanders imitated the same practices they had seen the soldiers, sailors, and airmen use. They carved headphones from wood and wore them while sitting in fabricated control towers. They waved the landing signals while standing on the runways. They lit signal fires and torches to light up runways and lighthouses. The cult members thought that the foreigners had some special connection to the deities and ancestors of the natives, who were the only beings powerful enough to produce such riches.

      In a form of sympathetic magic, many built life-size replicas of airplanes out of straw and created new military-style landing strips, hoping to attract more airplanes. Ultimately, although these practices did not bring about the return of the airplanes that brought such marvelous cargo during the war, they did have the effect of eradicating most of the religious practices that had existed prior to the war.

      Over the last seventy-five years most cargo cults have disappeared. Yet, the John Frum cult is still active on the island of Tanna, Vanuatu.

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    30. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd say so.

      Notice that only the female has been painted black -- perhaps they realize the counterparts in the helicopter are indeed their fellow-species, and don't want them to touch the females. To conserve some sort of cultural sanctity, perhaps?

    31. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Torvaun · · Score: 5, Funny
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    32. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by John+Meacham · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In addition, the sight of a helicopter probably sent all the unpainted people going about their daily business into hiding. The red painted men probably were some sort of special guards for the village. They were relatively well armed.

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    33. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Perhaps you're an idiot. It is, in fact, extraordinarily likely if you think primitive tribesmen see an enormous, extraordinarily loud bird in the sky and think "ah-hah! more humans! We'd better conserve our cultural sanctity!"

    34. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by jythie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *nods* that was my take on the post too.

      That being said, many tribes in the amazon have immense amounts of freetime.. I could easily see some groups being bored enough to maintain body paint at all times.

    35. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by jythie · · Score: 1

      Depends on how visible the people in the helicopter are.

      If they see people inside the thing, they are probably going to think 'people'.

    36. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1, Funny

      Good thing this isn't in the USA. Our government would go in and take away the kids because the chief married more than one woman and married one of them when she was 15. ;)

    37. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Bows? Aggression? I'm confused. I thought that without the corrupting distortions of 'Western Civilization' the natural state of humans was peaceful vegetarianism.

      I presume they don't have to chase down and shoot their plants, so what use are the projectile weapons? Either they engage in combat with someone or they hunt, or both.

      Messing up my whole world view...

      Clearly they have been contacted and therefore corrupted by some damn capitalist pig. If we do contact them we should try to repair that damage; get them back to nuts and fruit.

    38. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1
      Looks like two oompa loompas and a sasquatch

      I am still chuckling at this post five minutes after reading it. Funny as hell :)

    39. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      " Looks like two oompa loompas and a sasquatch

      I am still chuckling at this post five minutes after reading it. Funny as hell :)"

      Heheh...yeah, the sasquatch looks a bit female...

      Man..I thought they had bad hair problems on chicks back in that old 70's porn...

      :-D

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    40. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by thanatos_x · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it's real, I'd be most interested in how they reacted to the helicopter as a tribe - not painting themselves and shooting arrows, but how they viewed the helicopter - was it a ship or beast of the gods, or simply humans with advanced technology. I'd be curious to know if they crossed Clarke's line of 'sufficiently advanced technology'.

      Also I imagine the helicopter will have a somewhat serious impact on the tribe and their stories, at least if they were to remain uncontacted for a few more decades. Imagine if a large portion of our population saw something that they in no way could explain logically.

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    41. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Err... I realize you're an AC but, well, you *do know* that they're probably not "black" as in Negro or whatever the politically correct term is these days? They are likely as "black" as the Native American people, the Asian people, the Mexican people, etc... Not that that matters a great deal but, well, I figured you might like to know this if you didn't already.

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    42. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Tabernaque86 · · Score: 1

      The only difference between our concrete buildings and their mud shacks is that we made a science out of mixing water and dirt and they're keeping it old school.

      Disclaimer: Yes, I know concrete is actually made from water and cement, and not just random soil.

    43. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yea, cause when modern people see UFOs, they tend to think 'people' too...

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    44. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by glrotate · · Score: 0

      How can you assume they enjoy the stone age? Do you mean high child mortality, poor nutrition, and lack of antibiotics?

    45. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by raftpeople · · Score: 5, Funny

      He just finds it hard to believe that people will waste that much time painting themselves for no practical benefit
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    46. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by mgvrolijk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That oops got you 8 points total. Cool!

    47. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Viceroy+Potatohead · · Score: 1

      Note to self: See about getting invited to jcgf's parties more often.
      Further note to self: Remain sober, or spike own punch!

    48. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by CaptainBruce · · Score: 1

      And did they cause any heart attacks in the elders? That could cause some real wrath of god/ evil other flying tribe type stories.

    49. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by wilson_c · · Score: 1

      It would be fun to show them the real world. Either that or let them shoot some arrows, then fire back a couple hellfire missles, just to let them know who's boss.

      Real World? WTF? These people can survive in the Amazon with almost no technology, but you are some kind of tough guy? Nice. Can you even survive a few hours without a slurpee?

      Good to see that Slashdot is still full of armchair ninjas.

    50. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by raind · · Score: 1

      It would be even more fun to drop your ass in the area and see how long you last.

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    51. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Chabil+Ha' · · Score: 1

      He just finds it hard to believe that people will waste that much time painting themselves for no practical benefit. What, like yo mama?
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    52. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by waltarro85 · · Score: 1

      Meh... I've seen the Amazon Survivorman episode

    53. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by DanielHC · · Score: 1

      Well, down here our goverment do respect their culture. We let them, for instance, kill their babies when twins are born. You know, in some cultures they beleive that when twins are born, one is good and the other is evil. So they kill both the babies, just to be sure. Ah.. good'ol cultural diversity.

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    54. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by slcdb · · Score: 1

      My words exactly.

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    55. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Kaptain+Kruton · · Score: 1

      I thought they looked more like skinny Ewoks.

    56. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by fataugie · · Score: 1

      Dirt + water + sunshine = Adobe.

      Just ask anyone in the southwest.

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    57. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by bcmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      I believe part of the reason for keeping them isolated is that many tribes in similar situations have been effectively wiped out by diseases they lacked exposure and therefore immunity to, such as chicken pox and even common cold.

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    58. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1

      heh, I think that's my second Troll mod in 10 years. :) I must be getting ornery in my dotage.

    59. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by wombert · · Score: 1

      Ooh, primitive Imperial Guards!

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    60. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by jythie · · Score: 1

      If someone saw a UFO in the middle of the day with people visablly sitting in it then yeah, they would probably think 'people'.

    61. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by vertigoCiel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Their food isn't just lying around. They have to spend the majority of the day hunting/searching for it. Then they need to prepare it, which may involve skinning it (no easy task). Then it's cooked and eaten. They probably sleep on the ground, and have no amenities like AC, showers, reliable clean water, deodorant, or medicine.

      No matter how unsatisfying modern day-to-day life can be, it doesn't make that sort of lifestyle doesn't look very appealing to me.

    62. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      skinning an animal for food takes like... 10 minutes. and thats if its bigger than a deer.

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    63. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      when you don't know there is an alternative, then its not so bad. trust me, as long as you don't know you are suffering, then its not suffering.

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    64. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by scottrocket · · Score: 1
      (you could just bring something from burger king just make sure to present it in an odd fashion).

      You should write a screenplay, the marketing will make sure the movie sells itself - hell I'd watch, even though I'm a Trekkie.

    65. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you're an idiot. It is, in fact, extraordinarily likely if you think primitive tribesmen see an enormous, extraordinarily loud bird in the sky and think "ah-hah! more humans! We'd better conserve our cultural sanctity!" Well that rather depends -- but if their mental capacity exceeds yours, they may be able to recognize that there are humans on the helicopter (and from the resolution of the pictures, one can reasonably deduce that the helicopter was indeed near enough to the ground to have had the people inside to be visible).
    66. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's a few books on the first contact in the New Guinea highlands (1930's) where explorers in an aircraft found a large number of people with no contact with the outside world. To sum up - being a different colour to anybody they have seen before and having aircraft was not "sufficiently advanced technology" and after a while the crowd got bored and went back to what they were doing. I think the response was something like "how do you make all that cool stuff?".

    67. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by hiruhl · · Score: 1

      Geez, people. Click on the link to the article. Now click on the pics on the article's page. Big enough for you?

    68. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      You gotta admit, they have balls for trying to attack a helicopter, something presumably they have never seen before. Imaging seeing a helicoper, when the most advanced thing you have ever seen is a bow and arrow.

      It would be fun to show them the real world. Either that or let them shoot some arrows, then fire back a couple hellfire missles, just to let them know who's boss.

      But what happens when they start firing back APFSDS Cores?
    69. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by hey! · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking of which, I've been playing around with making bows recently.

      Those bows look pretty well designed and made. And these guys look well fed, so they're probably a good shot. They could probably put an arrow between your eyes at fifty yards. Depending on the power of their bows, they could hit a target like the helicopter at twice that range. If they did, the arrows would very likely penetrate the skin of the helicopter and still have enough momentum to seriously injure anybody inside.

      There are stories of European explorers encountering Cherokee archers; the flint arrowheads (which weren't razor sharp, by the way; they were sharper) could penetrate a steel breastplate, shattering and killing the victim with stone shrapnel. I read of one rider who was wearing cuirassier's armor who was pinned to his horse when an arrow penetrated his thigh armor.

      Given that these people are woodland people who hunt and fight on foot, they probably have similar bows. They look rather broad limbed and tapered, a design that results in a reliable, powerful and fast casting bow of reasonable draw weight.

      Bows and arrows may not be very "advanced", but underestimating how deadly a well designed bow in the hand of a skilled archer can be might well be the last thing you ever did. The helicopter might have scared these guys shitless, but when they grabbed their bows I'll bet they were quite confident that they could kill anything that came within bowshot stone dead. And they'd probably be right.

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    70. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by brunokummel · · Score: 1

      Looks like two oompa loompas and a sasquatch
      I agree that's much more likely to find oompa loompas in the amazon than indians that hasn't already been in contact with some kind of civilization...
      I haved work with some amazonian indians before and let me tell you some of them drive cars much better than ours... it's all about how much you pay for the exclusive use of his so called "indian-sacred land" ...

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    71. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be a whole lot easier and just as fun to bring the whole lot in for tax evasion.

    72. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by narkosys · · Score: 1

      you do reallize that tribesmen in those jungles where known to sport body paint made from fruit?

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    73. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by jcgf · · Score: 1

      That's pretty funny too. You should have posted with an account so that everyone could see it.

    74. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree, but the GP's skeptcisim is misplaced. The women of the never use water to wash themselves. Rather they go about their day-to-day activities covered head-to-toe in body paint made from clay and animal fat. They also smoke in a very unusually manner. :o.

      However you don't need to look at exotic tribes, many women from western societies will not leave their hut without first applying their face paint (also made from clay and fat). When you look around, "decorating" ones own body is not only a basic human trait, it' also a very common cultural obsession.

      As for time and religion, a remote amazonian tribesman surrounded by food and water probably has much more spare time than your average slashdotter.

      Disclaimer: I will go and have a look at the photo now....

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    75. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      Then how'd we get here?

    76. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by indi0144 · · Score: 0

      Yeah why waste you time painting yourself all the morning.. jesus! you can play XBOX or troll into digg instead, a little shopping in the mall, rent a movie, fuck there are so many thing to do in virgin forest!! .. these ppl are nuts!! :)

      [Agree with parent these look like guards]

    77. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by nebosuke · · Score: 1

      It takes much longer if you care at all about what the meat will taste like afterward--and that's with a sharp skinning knife.

    78. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by atamido · · Score: 1

      I'd be a lot more concerned about the various exotic poisons the Amazon contains and the habit for some native tribes to tip their arrows with said poisons. You don't need to get an arrow between their eyes if they won't make it ten feet after getting nicked in the arm.

    79. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by vertigoCiel · · Score: 1

      Not if you want both an intact pelt and good meat. Takes even longer if you're doing it with primitive tools instead of sharp knives.

    80. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by neumayr · · Score: 1

      While I wouldn't want to trade my relatively comfortable life in modern society for those guys lifestyle either, the GP has a point - food is abundant in the jungle, and the native Southern American tribes always had lots spare time.
      That fact did play its part in the early European settler's very negative image of those "lazy savages" - laziness was a predominant characteristic in many European paintings of the New World and its inhabitants.

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    81. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by nautical9 · · Score: 1

      But other times it has spawned new religions.

    82. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The cargo cult that remains today (John Frum) started long after contact when people wanted what the immigrants had but did not want the immigrants. I was talking about a different situation as was the article.

    83. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by dbIII · · Score: 1
      Then again, one of the others might be a completely different story and from first contact instead - turns out there were a lot of cargo cults.

      I think there would be more of a likelyhood to see the guys in the helicopter as people getting stuff from the Gods instead of Gods themselves - there's always somebody with a keen eye to spot human defects.

    84. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      No, the photo is real; it's your monitor that's photoshopped.

      - RG>

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    85. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Nabeel_co · · Score: 1

      No, no, its because they played too much Grand Theft Auto.

    86. Re:Those pics look fake to me. Shenanigans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehhehe...Those pics are part of the government and international NGOs propaganda. That tribe has been knows for years.

  3. We know who wins this one by Tebriel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Helicopter versus spearmen?

    The f#*&ing spearmen.

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    1. Re:We know who wins this one by self+assembled+struc · · Score: 5, Funny

      i see you've played civilization and sent a gunship in against an entrenched spearmen unit that's been there since 3800 B.C.

    2. Re:We know who wins this one by jayhawk88 · · Score: 4, Funny

      OK, no more Civilization 2 for you.

    3. Re:We know who wins this one by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      You know a game made an impression when all that is needed is an absurd match-up to know what game it is.

      All those battleships I lost to the almighty men with sticks... it still rankles.

    4. Re:We know who wins this one by y86 · · Score: 4, Funny

      But is he a veteran?

    5. Re:We know who wins this one by Pebble · · Score: 2, Funny

      They only get a 5 turn entrenchment bonus, Still better soften them up with the ICBM first.

    6. Re:We know who wins this one by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      an entrenched spearmen unit that's been there since 3800 B.C.

      Wow, and I thought those Japanese soldiers on tiny atols in the pacific who'd been there for twenty years still fighting WWII was bad...

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    7. Re:We know who wins this one by Wodin · · Score: 2, Informative

      ummm... I think you mean 63 years.

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    8. Re:We know who wins this one by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 1

      ICBMs operate against units with a death roll--either the ICBM kills the unit or the unit survives unscathed. Better to soften them up with a cruise missile.

    9. Re:We know who wins this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      > I see you've played civilization and sent a gunship in against an entrenched spearmen unit that's been there since 3800 B.C.

      Stupid F%$%%$ing Ewoks.

    10. Re:We know who wins this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the last uncontacted Peruvian tribes were machine-gunned down by the commies in the '50's, as portrayed in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

    11. Re:We know who wins this one by Xelios · · Score: 1

      And if you've had the misfortune of playing Call to Power the spearman probably won that fight.

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    12. Re:We know who wins this one by jahudabudy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I believe this guy was the last one to surrender. He lasted 26 years.

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    13. Re:We know who wins this one by Mastadex · · Score: 1

      Imagine what the story behind that would be?

      Boy: Mom, Dad! I got accepted to the army!
      Parents: Great!! Where will you be stationed?
      Boy: I'm in the 5th Spearman Division stationed in the middle of a jungle. We have the most high tech spears in the world!

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    14. Re:We know who wins this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you listen in closely the spearman was saying, "I fooled you, I fooled you, I got pig iron, I got pig iron"

    15. Re:We know who wins this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't help but admire that confronted with something as unimaginable to them as a flying piece of metal, instead of running in sheer terror they stood their ground and defended themselves with what they had.

    16. Re:We know who wins this one by rxmd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe this guy was the last one to surrender. He lasted 26 years. No, Teruo Nakamura was last. He lasted 31 years, from 1943 to December 18, 1974.

      There are occasional references to a Captain Fumio Nakahira who was allegedly found in 1980 on Mt Halcon on Mindoro, Philippines, but they all repeat the same one-liner and appear to be based on a spurious reference. There were Japanese soldiers who were discovered later, but they had been aware of the end of WWII and settled down or joined local rebel groups. Nakamura is the last well-documented holdout in the strict sense AFAIK.
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    17. Re:We know who wins this one by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the link. I've heard of Nakahira, but have always come away with the same "urban legend" feeling about him that you mentioned. I'd never heard of Onoda or Nakamura.

      Interestingly, if we are counting from the time they were conscripted, Yokoi also lasted 31 years, 1941 - 1972. My statement of 26 years was from the official Japanese surrender to his personal surrender.

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    18. Re:We know who wins this one by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      and this is why Sid Meier is a poor man's Will Wright.

  4. xo by spandex_panda · · Score: 5, Funny

    quick, drop some XO's for them, THEY NEEDS THE INTERNETS

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    1. Re:xo by Vectronic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed, its an interesting thought though... I mean, everytime a chopper flies over, you could be redefining their entire religion or something.

      "Thats the Whirly, God of birds!"

    2. Re:xo by TyrainDreams · · Score: 5, Funny

      Should we wait until they have warp capability to introduce them to our united federation of planets?

    3. Re:xo by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indeed, its an interesting thought though... I mean, everytime a chopper flies over, you could be redefining their entire religion or something.

      God help them if one chopper of geeks drop's XO's with EMACS and another chopper of geeks drops XO's on the neighboring tribe with VI.

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    4. Re:xo by WwWonka · · Score: 1, Funny

      quick, drop some XO's for them, THEY NEEDS THE INTERNETS

      You fool! They have already had their drop of XO's, but with the Windows version not the Linux version! That's why they are so pissed off!

    5. Re:xo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but there ain't no internets Tubes out that way...

    6. Re:xo by Genrou · · Score: 2, Funny

      "That's Whirly, God of Birds!"
      "Where, behind the chopper? Quick, take a picture!"
      "Can't, my cell phone doesn't have a camera."

    7. Re:xo by mnmn · · Score: 5, Funny

      That will not happen

      Microsoft and Intel will drop classmate PCs to get them hooked onto Vista Basic before the XO reaches them. They'll have to sell a lot of pelts and furs to raise money for antivirus updates.

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    8. Re:xo by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny
      "We noticed you've just developed the warp drive. We would like to welcome you to the United Federation of Planets."

      "Sign us up! How many Planets are in your... our Federation?"

      "Just this one, but we expect to get a lot more by using this warp drive you invented!"

    9. Re:xo by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1

      And whoever discovers "apt-get install mc" first should be crowned the new chief.

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    10. Re:xo by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Woah... Give them some Internets, and no other contact. See what sort of religion they develop.

      Long Cat is long!

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      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
    11. Re:xo by mstahl · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Look up the origination of the term "Cargo Cult". It's really really really fascinating. For those who won't FTFL, cargo cults are those who originated in uncontacted areas in the Pacific (and likewise anywhere else) when allied aircraft would drop supplies for troops or aid for islanders. When the war ended, the drops ceased, but many islands have their own religions having to do with airplanes as a result.

      So... you're probably absolutely right. Merely observing them via helicopter will drastically alter their world-view if not their religion as well.

    12. Re:xo by turtledawn · · Score: 1

      That is just great :)

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    13. Re:xo by dwater · · Score: 1

      > "Can't, my cell phone doesn't have a camera."

      "Eh? A cell phone without a camera? Oh, I see, you're from the USA. Here, borrow mine."

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      Max.
    14. Re:xo by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who instantly thought of this?

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    15. Re:xo by a.ameri · · Score: 1

      There is a tribe in Vanuatu which worships Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh and considers him their God. Apparently the tribe's legend indicated a pale-skinned son of a mountain spirit who according to ancient tales travelled over the seas to a distant land, married a powerful lady and would in time return. The villagers had observed the respect accorded to Queen Elizabeth by colonial officials and came to the conclusion that her husband, Prince Philip, must be the son from their legends.

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  5. Nice small picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I like how Slashdot linked to the smallest picture available. The actual pictures are surprisingly good.

    1. Re:Nice small picture by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

      I like how Slashdot linked to the smallest picture available. The actual pictures are surprisingly good.

      This is the new Slashdot. We're trying to protect the environment by NOT slashdotting random servers and heating up everything. Global warming, you know.

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    2. Re:Nice small picture by kalirion · · Score: 4, Funny

      Still looks like Diablo 2 to me.

  6. Proofread articles plzkthxbai by grm_wnr · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    helocopter Oh please.
    1. Re:Proofread articles plzkthxbai by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Funny

      helocopter

      Oh please.
      ^W heliocopter.

      Feel better?
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    2. Re:Proofread articles plzkthxbai by clang_jangle · · Score: 1

      Oh Lord, thanks yes. My nerves, my freakin' nerves!!!

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    3. Re:Proofread articles plzkthxbai by jaguth · · Score: 0

      No no, its spelled correctly; its owned by the Hello Kitty corporation and is called helocopter:

      http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DFafrt45OJdM&sa=X&oi=video_result&resnum=1&ct=thumbnail&usg=AFQjCNE3L8Rz1e0cX3EL8hYQFdDOkdORxg

    4. Re:Proofread articles plzkthxbai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      helocopter Oh please. ROFLCOPTER!!!!!
    5. Re:Proofread articles plzkthxbai by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      So.. what.. is it solar powered or something?

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  7. To be a fly on a hut wall by SputnikPanic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I for one would have loved to have been able to hear and understand the conversation that took place among that tribe after the helicopter passed over.

    1. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Tebriel · · Score: 5, Funny

      "there goes the neighborhood"

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    2. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by FunkyELF · · Score: 3, Funny

      They are probably using the term uncontacted very loosely.
      These people are being driven from Peru closer to the Brazil border by loggers. You don't get driven anywhere without contact of some kind unless just the noise of whatever they're using to cut down the trees is making them move.
      Maybe they just like to sleep in.

    3. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by scipiodog · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They are probably using the term uncontacted very loosely. These people are being driven from Peru closer to the Brazil border by loggers. You don't get driven anywhere without contact of some kind unless just the noise of whatever they're using to cut down the trees is making them move. Maybe they just like to sleep in.

      Not necessarily. Actually, if you RTFA, you'll see that this particular tribe is actually growing in numbers, but that other tribes in the area are being driven away by loggers. They don't make a claim that the other tribes are "uncontacted."

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    4. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Animaether · · Score: 1

      What.. because they've never wondered about the other flying machines passing overhead, from small flying machines transporting people around the area to the ones that paint white lines in the sky?

      I'd be more interesting in learning how much they know about the world outside their tribe and how much they care. The UAV was attacked - but we don't know why. Perhaps they're just sending a message "We know you're out there, and that internet thing looks fun and all, but we prefer our way. Please leave us alone."

      And I, for one, am glad that the people who discovered the tribe have decided not to go back there, not to send in a party of actual people, etc. and indeed leave them be. Let a tribe member, if they're curious about the world, venture out - they'll run into (as mentioned above) loggers eventually.

      Unfortunately, -others- are likely to go and seek out this tribe (be it for research or for entertainment / exploitation) and muck things up. Let's see who gets there first... CBS? FOX? Endemol (Big Brother: Tribal Edition)?

    5. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      I think they do say logging is affecting other "uncontacted" tribes.

      emphasis mine

      Meirelles says that the group's numbers are increasing. But other uncontacted groups in the region, whose homes have been photographed from the air, are in severe danger from illegal logging in Peru. Logging is driving uncontacted tribes over the border and could lead to conflict with the estimated five hundred uncontacted Indians already living on the Brazilian side.
    6. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Haha, they totally fell for it!!"

    7. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by bugnuts · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Did they just violate the prime directive again? Maybe we can make them give us the secret of warp travel. And a lighter."

    8. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -others- are likely to go and seek out this tribe (be it for research or for entertainment / exploitation) and muck things up. Let's see who gets there first... CBS? FOX? Endemol (Big Brother: Tribal Edition)?

      I'd watch that. Better yet, a much better TV idea would be to scoop them all up and just drop them into New York City. That would be cool.

    9. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by scipiodog · · Score: 1

      Sorry, you're right. I actually read the BBC article earlier this morning - couldn't get to the linked page above for some reason!

      However, it's quite possible, even likely, that they are being driven over the border by logging but are still uncontacted.

      It's the knock-on effect. That is, pressure from loggers can press one group to migrate, which pushes other groups in their path, and so on.

      An historic example would be the great east to west migrations of antiguity, taking place over several hundred years, and which were ultimately one of the causes of the fall of the Roman Empire. The tribes that finally crossed the Rhine quite likely had no contact with the peoples who started the migration in the east, but they certainly felt the effects.

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    10. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by tsa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess many evangelists can't wait to go there to ruin their culture by 'making them see the light'.

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    11. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 1

      I thought that was the Domino effect, named in honor of the mass migrations away from wherever Dominos Pizza sets up a new outlet.

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    12. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We are here! We are here!! We are HE-EEERE!!!"

    13. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -See I told you Google would eventually photograph the front of the hut -but nooooo you did not believe me!

    14. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one would have loved to have been able to hear and understand the conversation that took place among that tribe after the helicopter passed over. I sort of imagined it would have been:

      "Did you see the size of that bird! Go stoke the fire - Oh how we'll eat tonight!"
    15. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by shird · · Score: 1

      W.T.F?

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    16. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Detritus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Missionaries make mighty fine barbeque.

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    17. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Number+Twenty+Four · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sadly, by the time the plane came around for a third pass the damage had been done and the modern world had begun to affect the tribe.

    18. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by flexdog · · Score: 1

      Anyone noted that the photo shows the guys with the spears are in red paint. Kinda reminds you of the "red shirts" that beam down from the Enterprise and are killed off by some vapor cloud.

    19. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by gambolt · · Score: 2, Informative
      right, according to wikipedia

      Uncontacted peoples are peoples who, either by choice or chance, live without significant contact with the larger civilizations of the world.

      Recent usage favors the term "isolated" rather than "uncontacted" as few peoples have remained totally uncontacted by modern civilization, but a number have chosen to make contact either exceedingly difficult or dangerous. Many indigenous rights activists call for such groups to be left alone in respect of their right to self-determination.
    20. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by PPH · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      "Spear no good. Next time, try the plasma cannon."

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    21. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by coreolyn · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Quick shoot it down before they land and build a Wallmart.

    22. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by batquux · · Score: 1

      They would, but they keep throwing up their hands.

    23. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by aevan · · Score: 1

      Survivor: Harlem.

      I'd watch it.

    24. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by charlesj68 · · Score: 1

      Totally freaking awesome ...

    25. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      "should we eat it, fuck it, or kill it?"

    26. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      clever tax evasion scheme?

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    27. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by timholman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I guess many evangelists can't wait to go there to ruin their culture by 'making them see the light'.

      Ah, it goes beyond that. Many evangelical Christians believe that one of the requirements for the Second Coming is that the Word of God be preached to all the peoples of the world. In other words, God won't bring about Armageddon until every man, woman, and child has had the opportunity to convert first.

      So you can be certain that a few misguided individuals, who simply can't wait for God to punish the wicked and destroy the world, will make it their business to try and locate these people.
    28. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by noidentity · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I for one would have loved to have been able to hear and understand the conversation that took place among that tribe after the helicopter passed over.

      (translated) Those bastard better blur our face before putting image on Google Street View!

    29. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't they sneak and install some eavesdropping equipment? We could learn so much from it and yet be discreet.

    30. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was talking to a missionary who specialized in uncontacted tribes. Once the missionaries learned the language, mostly the tribesmen just had a lot of questions about it (in this case it was an airplane): How come you crawled out of this big bird's head? Why don't it's wings flap? How come it's beak spins around? I didn't get the impression that their world was destroyed.

    31. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by impur1ty · · Score: 1

      "But other uncontacted groups in the region, whose homes have been photographed from the air, are in severe danger from illegal logging in Peru." fail.

    32. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by FunkyELF · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I took a class in college with a woman that lived with the Yuqui for months at a time for several years and wrote a book about them with tons of pictures, yet they're listed on Wikipedia as well.

      In my opinion, once you've ate SPAM, you're no longer uncontacted.

    33. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't stop laughing at that pic! well done.

    34. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL

    35. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by SL+Baur · · Score: 0

      "I for one, welcome our helicopter driving overlords."

    36. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by bcmm · · Score: 1

      What UAV? It was a helicopter.

      And what would you do if you'd never seen a helicopter before? They probably couldn't even see the people inside, but it was huge and making a terrible noise and moving towards their homes. Wouldn't anyone unaccustomed to people moving around in machines assume it was a large, dangerous creature and act to protect their families?

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    37. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by bugnuts · · Score: 5, Funny

      "should we eat it, fuck it, or kill it?" "Yes, chief, but not in that order"
    38. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Monsuco · · Score: 1

      I guess many evangelists can't wait to go there to ruin their culture by 'making them see the light'.
      I don't think that will be a problem. Their culture has already changed now that the great arrow proof mega-bird has flown over them.
    39. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bravo!

    40. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Noodles · · Score: 1

      The missionaries are packing their bags as we speak.

    41. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by ShakaUVM · · Score: 1

      Lol, that's brilliant.

    42. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      You can laugh all you want, but I visited Siwa in the western Sahara and found a variety of Europeans who have been living primitive lives there for decades, starting off with a tax evasion journey and ending up with a lifetime of living in nothingness. I was stunned.

    43. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well played sir, well played.

    44. Re:To be a fly on a hut wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn noisy thing waking us up early! Extra meat to anyone who can hit it with an arrow!

      Or perhaps they've still heard about us even though "uncontacted" by modern civilization, and the answer can be summed up as simply as a LOLcats caption: "Do not want!"

  8. Cameras by Kohath · · Score: 5, Funny

    Those cameras are watching everyone now!

    Someone setup a jungle expedition. Those tribesmen need tinfoil hats!

    1. Re:Cameras by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are previously uncontacted, how can anyone order cameras from them?

      .

      Oh wait, wrong Amazon.

  9. The unknown... by IronMagnus · · Score: 5, Funny

    That helicopter is probably some sort of god or devil beast to that tribe now... Thats how religion works you know. You see something you don't understand, (try to) kill it, worship it.

    1. Re:The unknown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if this is the depth of your outlook on people you don't know than you're utterly disgusting.

    2. Re:The unknown... by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps that's how religion works for some people, but for others, it works quite a bit differently and has no problems with science and other rational things. Also, Why would they simply not see it as some man-made contraption? Running on magic, perhaps...

    3. Re:The unknown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it was more of a parody. Thanks for reading tho.

    4. Re:The unknown... by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      do you worship the goatse?

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    5. Re:The unknown... by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, that's probably how it would work for people you do know too, if they didn't already live in a post industrial era. Even now if somoene with Star-Trek levels of tech came to earth, some people could mistake them for gods (beaming themselves down to the planet, using the technology to magically make food appear with replicators, etc.. kind of like Jesus did now that I come to think of it!). "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

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    6. Re:The unknown... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      This is probably pretty close to the truth.

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    7. Re:The unknown... by somersault · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If these guys are really 'uncontacted' and living in mud huts, then they probably have noooo clue what science is. They wouldn't see it as man made because they have no idea that man can make such things! Anything that is regarded as true magic even to our society would be seen to be caused by some deity-like power or demonic force. It's just that for the last few hundred years we've regarded everything as explainable by investigation via scientific methods. Even if societies with as advanced tech as the ancient egyptians, who had some pretty clever tech and maths/building skills, saw a helicopter fly overhead, they would be in awe. They're not going to say "Oh that must be those crazy Israelites again - always building large chunks of metal that can float in the sky!"

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    8. Re:The unknown... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Actually they do have "Science" .. they try things and if they work they do them again....Science is just a label

      And if everything "modern" is novel then they don't think it is all wonderful just novel so a small helicopter and an Apache gunship impress them equally .... Fly over them every day and they will start to dismiss it as "that thing that we see flying over us every day" and ignore it ...

      It works the other way round as well fly an WWII Airship over anywhere and everyone will stare and point at it because it is novel ...

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    9. Re:The unknown... by kalirion · · Score: 4, Funny

      Exactly, they see a man walking on water and don't immediately think "oh, that man has nice chakra control, must be a ninja!" It's all Gods this, witches that....

    10. Re:The unknown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You see something you don't understand, (try to) kill it, worship it."

      when i see something i don't understand, i strive to understand it. not kill, nor worship it. thats insane.

      most of the people that knock science dont understand it. most of the people that knock religion dont understand it. and then you have the problem of people mixing up the two, calling something science that cannot possibly qualify. what ever happen to testing observing and reproducing? the general consensus on this has become "well, one day we WILL be able to prove it, and therefore, its science already."

      everyone believes their own (or someone elses) fairy tales, some are just hellbent on convincing everyone else that its rational. (and only one side believes that its actually wrong to lie regardless of if the ends justify the means, not because people say its wrong, but because it is wrong.)

      http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter1/credibility.html

    11. Re:The unknown... by DriedClexler · · Score: 0

      Has there been any serious research into the idea that stories about Jesus (or miracles in other holy books) were the result of someone visiting who had advanced technology? I'm not trying to mock you, I really want to know. It's not that hard to imagine the Gospel as the undevelopeds' side of a Star Trek episode :-P

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    12. Re:The unknown... by Derek+Loev · · Score: 1

      "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -- Arthur C. Clarke

    13. Re:The unknown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its insane? So whats up with the dudes with the bow and arrows in the pictures...

    14. Re:The unknown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've been watching too much Stargate SG-1 :)

    15. Re:The unknown... by fyoder · · Score: 1

      Also, Why would they simply not see it as some man-made contraption? That would explain the hostility of their response. If they know of what has happened to other tribes driven off their lands by logging, then they may want to send a very clear message of unwelcome to outsiders using outsider technology.
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    16. Re:The unknown... by city · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You are explaining Clarke's third law of prediction : "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

      (Since it had not been mentioned yet, thought I take the liberty)

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    17. Re:The unknown... by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Actually, if someone came to Earth with super-tech, we'd assume it was super-tech because that's what our stories say things are. If they kept insisting, "No, it's magic, our society advanced beyond physical laws and prays to supernatural beings to do these things." We'd say "Yeah, sure, it's just a type of science we can't understand yet", and set to work trying to mimic their hand-wavings and chantings... but without the true belief necessary to make it work.

    18. Re:The unknown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Then," you ignorant shit.

      "If this is the depth of your outlook on people you don't know then you're utterly disgusting."

      It's not that hard.

    19. Re:The unknown... by lowflying · · Score: 1

      Probably?
      Don't understand?

      I've been worshiping helicopters and the gods who fly them since I was three. For my devotion and study, I was made a god myself.

      Dave

    20. Re:The unknown... by kaen · · Score: 1

      Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Däniken is about that, IIRC.

    21. Re:The unknown... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Science is just a label"
      no. And what you describe is not science.

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    22. Re:The unknown... by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      you sir, are an excellent thinker. you make really cool observations.

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    23. Re:The unknown... by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      i see, so how does one become a helicopter god exactly? (mighty good jest there)

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    24. Re:The unknown... by dwater · · Score: 1

      > (Since it had not been mentioned yet, thought I take the liberty)

      See previous post.

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    25. Re:The unknown... by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      But you're making assumptions about their perspective on the world, with no evidence to back it up. Why could they not see it as some giant, fake bird? Where is the logic that they must assume it is a deity or anything other-worldly?

    26. Re:The unknown... by lowflying · · Score: 1

      At taxpayer expense with the military is the most common route.

    27. Re:The unknown... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You see something you don't understand, (try to) kill it, worship it.


      As a last resort, you could try to marry it. That's what males have been doing to females for years. It's a cycle basically:

      Worship it. Spear it. Marry it.
    28. Re:The unknown... by somersault · · Score: 1

      From observing that even those in our own 'modern' culture tend to consider any UFO of alien origin. Unless this was a very special rational and scientific tribe, I'd bet a large amount of money that they consider it magical/godly rather than man made. It may not be a correct assumption, but I think it's quite a sensible and highly likely one. If people didn't make assumptions then we wouldn't be able to even speculate on stuff like this, I think it's interesting to ponder it even before we know the facts.

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    29. Re:The unknown... by somersault · · Score: 1

      When you say 'we', I assume you mean "some of us", because a lot of earthling's stories don't involve science :P

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    30. Re:The unknown... by somersault · · Score: 1

      I remember reading a theory that it was extra terrestrials :p At this point in my life I think it's more likely that a lot of the stories were made up, exaggerated, used shills, or maybe even used positive psychosomatic effects..

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    31. Re:The unknown... by somersault · · Score: 1

      In our society they're more likely to think "oh man I'm stoned", or "wow, that liquid has some high surface tension!" ;)

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    32. Re:The unknown... by somersault · · Score: 1

      they try things and if they work they do them again. Even mice do that - it's hardly a paragon of the Scientific Method :p
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    33. Re:The unknown... by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      But there are also those in our modern culture who think there is probably a rational explanation for UFOs that may not involve aliens at all. Or are you suggesting that because they seem primitive, they must all be less rational?

    34. Re:The unknown... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Science : observe, theorise, experiment.. repeat

      You don't need to be "A Scientist" to do that .. and yes mice can do it (in a very limited way)... and what did people do before the word science was invented?

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    35. Re:The unknown... by somersault · · Score: 1

      I'm suggesting that we know that we can create flying machines these days, but still a lot of people attribute unknown flying craft to non-man-made craft. There are of course plenty of people that would also consider them secret government test vehicles and such too, but if planes weren't publicly well known and every day, what would you personally think if you saw one flying overhead? Imagine if you were living in the dark ages and you saw an F117A flying overhead - would it be 'rational' to assume that this craft was man-made when current thinking said that metal couldn't even float in water, let alone the air? Heh, there goes a jet roaring overhead as I type :)

      If these guys have not been contacted by us or any other 'modern' civilisations, would they have any reason to believe that any other people in the world have such vastly superior tech to them? If anyone showed me a working time or teleportation machine today, I'd assume that it was not built in our own time - either that or not on our own planet.

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    36. Re:The unknown... by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      I think that assuming they all think the same is one problem here. I'm sure many, maybe most, may not see them as man-made, but to dump them all in one boat is no different to dumping people in modern society in one boat. Making assumptions has it's place, but when it comes to your own view on how the world is, I tend to find that they can pile up and deceive you. One assumption being made here is that they think in the same terms as we do, such as the difference between man-made, magic, and god. Depending on how they view the world, what we see in our interpretation could easily be a mistranslation.

    37. Re:The unknown... by somersault · · Score: 1

      You could be right, but there aren't even that many of them to begin with, and aside from possible tribe members going on expeditions out to areas near the deforestation (which by the sounds of it is too far away and therefore impractical when they have more pressing matters like gathering food and general survival), and planes flying overhead like this, I personally think that they would have no reason to believe that humans could make such objects, anymore than I believe that humans will be capable of launching chi-energy-balls (without technological aids) in 100 years time. That would be cool though :)

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  10. Another link to pictures by FunkyELF · · Score: 4, Informative

    news.google.com ... search for amazon ... http://www.ctv.ca/gallery/html/tribe_080530/photo_0.html

    1. Re:Another link to pictures by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting how the woman in the photo is painted entirely in black, while some of the men have their faces or entire bodies painted in red. Obviously it would be nice to know why they have those customs, but I'm not sure how to find out without disturbing them.

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    2. Re:Another link to pictures by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Funny

      Interesting how the woman in the photo is painted entirely in black, while some of the men have their faces or entire bodies painted in red. Obviously it would be nice to know why they have those customs, but I'm not sure how to find out without disturbing them.

      The colors differentiate the class of warrior. When they go out on dangerous missions, the ones painted red get killed, the ones painted blue return unharmed, and the ones painted gold get laid.

    3. Re:Another link to pictures by popeye44 · · Score: 2

      Well Red touching black is a friend of Jack, But red touching yellow will kill a fellow.

      Now Ya Know.....

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    4. Re:Another link to pictures by raddan · · Score: 1

      Interesting how the woman in the photo is painted entirely in black More interesting is that fact that there are boobies in the picture. How did that get past-- oh, wait, .ca, carry on.
    5. Re:Another link to pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so Indians and African Americans are fine together, but Indians and Asians is a no-no?

    6. Re:Another link to pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The colors differentiate the class of warrior. When they go out on dangerous missions, the ones painted red get killed, the ones painted blue return unharmed, and the ones painted gold get laid.
      At least until their next generation. Then they switch the colors around.
    7. Re:Another link to pictures by fyoder · · Score: 1

      Obviously it would be nice to know why they have those customs, but I'm not sure how to find out without disturbing them. Cut an observation post into a mountain, then disguise it with holoprojection. It's important to have a couple of backup holoprojectors, because if the natives become aware of the post it can lead to trouble.
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    8. Re:Another link to pictures by mattOzan · · Score: 1

      Obviously it would be nice to know why they have those customs, but I'm not sure how to find out without disturbing them. Ah, the Heisenberg Anthropological Principle. And its rhetorical neighbor: "If a tribe lives in the woods, and no one is there to contact it, does it really exist?"
    9. Re:Another link to pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone have coordinates? It seems like satellite images would be a much less invasive (yeah, yeah, and ridiculously expensive) way to "observe" without contaminating the culture.

      I'm guessing that the Google Street View van hasn't made it down there yet.

    10. Re:Another link to pictures by geekoid · · Score: 1

      That should be moderated "King of all funny posts."

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    11. Re:Another link to pictures by zxsqkty · · Score: 1

      ... and the black ones are obviously ninjas.

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  11. Everything was going well... by AioKits · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...until one of the cameramen modified the ole 'got yer nose!' trick to the less popular 'got yer soul!' trick using his camera.

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  12. Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, I'd guess more like Civ 3. That was the one with the antitank spearmen. And mighty cavemen in sabertooth-skin loincloths, cleaving your tank in twain with their mighty stone axe.

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    1. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anti-* Spearmen have been there since Civ1.

    2. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      Anti-* Spearmen have been there since Civ1.


      Duly noted, but none of the Civ games before or after were _that_ hideously unbalanced in that aspect. Yes, you could lose tanks to spearmen in Civ 1... if the spearmen were in the jungle, behind a river, etc, and even then it was rather a rare exception that they'd win. In Civ 3 the difference in numbers between top tech and stone-age axemen was ridiculously low, and due to units having only 2 hp, it only took two modestly lucky rolls out of 3 to win that fight. So spearmen often won against tanks in the plains, in the middle of a road, and when they're the ones attacking.
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    3. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Or Civilization: Call To Power, where the developers tried to explain away bronze age warriors downing stealth bombers as 'hypnotic phalanxes.'

      In the original Civilization, as well, veteran spearmen, in a city on a mountain, with city walls, could often hold off battleships. Civ3 had some problems as well, as pointed out.

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    4. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by daeley · · Score: 3, Funny

      In the original Civilization, as well, veteran spearmen, in a city on a mountain, with city walls, could often hold off battleships.

      Well, sure. Do you know how hard it is to get battleships up those tiny mountain passes? Not to mention the pack mules won't budge an inch after you load them up.

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    5. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Funny

      Battleship: KABOOM!
      Spearmen: Uh.... G-12!
      Battleship: Hey, you sank my... oh crap!

    6. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      This trend is a lot more prevalent in the original Civilization. Get a warrior or phalanx, fortify him in a hill or mountain early in the game. By the time your opponents invent battleships and such, they (your enemy) doesn't stand a chance.

    7. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Note that in a jungle the spearmen probably actually could win. Tanks are rather large...

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    8. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by F1re · · Score: 1

      Who builds a city on top of a mountain? No food, and only 1 resource. Very slow growth, especially at the start and when you're not republic or democracy.

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    9. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by juventasone · · Score: 1

      The Ewoks were fortified in the jungle and successfully defended against attacking AT-STs. There must be something to it. :)

    10. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by LordAlced · · Score: 1

      Note that in a jungle the spearmen probably actually could win. Tanks are rather large... Tell me how it's possible for a bunch of spearmen to open a tank which can support its crew for hours on end by using only flimsy wooden weapons with (at best) steel tips.
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    11. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by bcmm · · Score: 1

      How many hours?

      And I am assuming that, since it's a jungle, the tank gets stuck fast.

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    12. Re:Actually, I'd guess Civ 3 by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Well, it can be damn handy when there's two large landmasses connected by a single square; your very own Panama Canal.

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  13. Slow server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here are similar pictures taken by a plane instead of a helicopter.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022822/Incredible-pictures-Earths-uncontacted-tribes-firing-bows-arrows.html

  14. Expert Loses Job by Ladred · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Members of one of the worlds last uncontacted tribes have been spotted and photographed from the air near the Brazil-Peru border." ... "said uncontacted tribes expert Jose Carlos dos Reis Meirelles Junior." Grats Jose, you just worked yourself out of a job. Some expert you are!

    1. Re:Expert Loses Job by danilo.moret · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually lots of those uncontacted tribes are known and are photographed from time to time. However they exact location and the pictures is not disclosed often, because even though the jungle is huge someone would certainly try to reach them, and it would be difficult to prevent it from happening. The expert did this as a media stunt to draw attention to the protection of the areas these tribes live.

      Some quotes of what the expert said to Brazilian's newspaper O Globo http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2008/05/29/grupo_de_indios_fotografado_pela_1_vez_no_acre-546561413.asp: "There are notices of their existence since 1910."

      "I know nothing about them, and the idea is to keep it this way."

      "While they receive us with spears, they'll be fine. But when they become nice, they're done."

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    2. Re:Expert Loses Job by Tonyrockyhorror · · Score: 1

      Uncontacted Tribes Expert: Easiest job in the world!

      "What can you tell us about this culture?"
      "I don't know. We haven't contacted them."

    3. Re:Expert Loses Job by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Why do we assume these tribes don't want contact? Shouldn't someone ask them first? Sure asking them will cause contact, but its fairly minimal contact (just a few months to learn the language).

  15. I wonder what they could teach us? by east+coast · · Score: 5, Funny

    A small Peruvian tribe has taught you: Ceremonial Burial.

    Or maybe

    A small Chilean tribe has given you: Skilled Warrior.

    Wow!

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    1. Re:I wonder what they could teach us? by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      You'll probably just release a hoard of barbarians.

    2. Re:I wonder what they could teach us? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      Skilled Warrior is no match for my Veteran Engineer and his trusty clipboard!

      (I never understood how a bomber could attack an engineer unit and lose...)
      =Smidge=

    3. Re:I wonder what they could teach us? by naoursla · · Score: 3, Funny

      You obviously haven't watched enough MccGyver.

    4. Re:I wonder what they could teach us? by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Funny

      We note that your puny civilization has not even discovered the advance of Bright Red Full Body Paint. We will trade you this knowledge in exchange for Nuclear Weaponry.

      What?! You reject our generous offer? Prepare for WAR!

    5. Re:I wonder what they could teach us? by Smidge204 · · Score: 1

      If that's the case, they should add "paperclips" to the tech tree!

      =Smidge=

  16. re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sirst Fighting?

    (think First Post meme)

  17. What now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that we have captured their souls, what do we do with them?

    1. Re:What now? by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

    2. Re:What now? by TyrainDreams · · Score: 0

      Explore, Expand, Exploit, Exterminate?

    3. Re:What now? by chill · · Score: 1

      Ebay!

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    4. Re:What now? by laederkeps · · Score: 1

      Evict?

  18. Arrogance. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So they are going to be "protected" from contamination.
    Yes I know that many tribes have suffered when the ran into civilized peoples but I wonder how they would feel about it if they knew.
    Yes your child could have been saved with just a few pills but we didn't want to contaminate you.
    Yes you could see what some of the lights in the sky really do look like.
    You could meet people from far across the sea and you two could fly through the air.
    But we don't want to contaminate you.

    I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice.

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    1. Re:Arrogance. by Soko · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice.

      Redundant question. There is no way to give them the choice without "contaminating" them, since you'd have to show them "The Wonders of the Modern Age" to give them the information they need to make a proper choice. Once they know about those, the innocence is gone and their culture changed irrevocably.

      Of your "Yes" points, the only one I'm sad to not be able to do is the medicine one. However, maybe they know about medicines we only dream of.

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    2. Re:Arrogance. by jemtallon · · Score: 1

      Yes, but which two could fly?

    3. Re:Arrogance. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Of your "Yes" points, the only one I'm sad to not be able to do is the medicine one. However, maybe they know about medicines we only dream of."
      Yea right sure they do...
      The myth of the noble enlightened savage.
      Life before technology was short brutal and pretty dull. Yes they mow know of some plant that may have some medical benefits but that is just a maybe.

      As I said it seems like the burden of the white man V 2.0 to me.

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    4. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they are going to be "protected" from contamination.

      Of more than just the cultural variety. They're being protected from contamination to the host of diseases we carry around with us that we have immunity to. How do you think they would feel if 2/3 of their tribe died after you show up to ask them if they'd like to take a helicopter ride?

    5. Re:Arrogance. by Hinhule · · Score: 1

      I hear Snoop is making an expedition to learn about their medicines!

    6. Re:Arrogance. by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 4, Informative

      From the BBC article: Being uncontacted, these tribes have no immunity to a number of otherwise mild diseases, so contact often leads to deaths (smallpox, flu, etc).

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    7. Re:Arrogance. by Erikderzweite · · Score: 1

      So they are going to be "protected" from contamination. Yes I know that many tribes have suffered when the ran into civilized peoples but I wonder how they would feel about it if they knew. Yes your child could have been saved with just a few pills but we didn't want to contaminate you. Yes you could see what some of the lights in the sky really do look like. You could meet people from far across the sea and you two could fly through the air. But we don't want to contaminate you. I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice. Actually, the were having thousand years of choice and they choose their path, far away from the good and the bad of modern civilization.
    8. Re:Arrogance. by jonhainer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Uncontacted tribes" is a poor choice of phrasing. "Self-isolated tribes" may be better. These people are not stupid, and they know that other people exist. If anyone in that tribe wanted to contact the outside world, they'd just walk over to a logging camp or a park headquarters.

      You say that these people should have a choice, and they do. They have specifically decided not to come to meet us, and in fact, they go out of their way to avoid us. We should respect that choice and leave them be.

    9. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to agree on some sort of Prime Directive.

    10. Re:Arrogance. by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, for the older generation, they have no chance of integrating into normal society, and for their kids, they are just going to end up like any other kids.. well apart from the fact that their parents may end up messed up on drugs and alcohol (as seems to happen to people like in inuit tribes up in the north of Canada etc). Life before technology wasn't necessarily dull. It could be quite brutal yes, but at least they probably have strong family units and a good sense of belonging in their tribe. In today's modern world, we all live in tightly packed areas, but hardly know anyone around us. It can end up being a very lonely existence. (yeah, boohoo for me eh :p ).

      If these people got to experience our own culture and then were given a choice, I'm sure at least some of them - especially the older generation - would prefer to go back to the way things were.

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    11. Re:Arrogance. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      If that really is their choice then that is fine.
      Of course a logging camp probably isn't the high point of civilized life.

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    12. Re:Arrogance. by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Many, I think its safe to say all tribes in North and South America have suffered.

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    13. Re:Arrogance. by ZipprHead · · Score: 1

      There is an interesting documentary that came out a few years ago about just this. An anthropologist went to study one of these tribes. Over a period of a few years he became integrated into their culture and actually fell in love and married one of the natives. When the time came to leave, he took his wife back with him to the states.

      After a few years and seeing what our culture and life is like. She decided to get a divorce return home to her tribe. ...food for thought. I can't find a link to the movie. But I believe this is the book it is based on.

    14. Re:Arrogance. by LWATCDR · · Score: 0, Troll

      "but at least they probably have strong family units and a good sense of belonging in their tribe. In today's modern world, we all live in tightly packed areas, but hardly know anyone around us. It can end up being a very lonely existence."
      That is I am afraid a choice that to many people make.

      I don't even see why they need to integrate with our society. There is good things that tech brings as well as bad.
      I just don't see how not offering them a chance to even learn about the planet they live one is a good thing.
      Since when have we on Slashdot ever went with the ignorance is bliss ideology?

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    15. Re:Arrogance. by going_the_2Rpi_way · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From a link in TFA:

      Many tribal people who are today 'uncontacted' are in fact the survivors (or survivors' descendants) of past atrocities. These acts - massacres, disease epidemics, terrifying violence - are seared into their collective memory, and contact with the outside world is now to be avoided at all costs.

    16. Re:Arrogance. by flaming+error · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice.

      Maybe it's kind of arrogant to think they don't have the choice already. They can go exploring other places if they want to.

    17. Re:Arrogance. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Well things change. As I said if it is there informed choice then I am fine with that.
      The idea that they couldn't "handle" the modern world I find insulting.

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    18. Re:Arrogance. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Actually, the were having thousand years of choice and they choose their path, far away from the good and the bad of modern civilization.

      Eh? How does living so far into a jungle that nobody can get to you until they cut most of it down a 'choice' to avoid the modern civilization?

      If they're truly uncontacted, they likely have no idea whatsoever that modern people exist.

      I think isolated people in vast tracts of land isn't so much a choice, as a fluke of geography and history. You go off the established path in parts of South America, and you're an awful long way away from everyone else.

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    19. Re:Arrogance. by somersault · · Score: 1

      The thing is that a lot of our technology requires power, so they're either going to have to get a set of solar cells (and how can they afford that?), fuel burning generators of some kind which would end up with deforestation for fuel or just the roads to transport fuel to them.. or just move to an area that has elecricity.. their lack of money is a definite barrier to that though (though maybe they could sell the land that they currently occupy to the foresters?) :/ What is government welfare like in Peru/Brazil?

      What benefits would they honestly be able to reap without any money? What good is our knowledge to them if they are going to continue their current way of life?

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    20. Re:Arrogance. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Well I am a member of one of the tribes in North America. If I had a choice of living like some of my ancestors did before contact with Europeans or living like I do now. I will take now.
      Maybe that is why I find it so offensive to threat these people like children. They have just as potental as you or I do. There children could walk on Mars or cure AIDs. If they have the opportunity to choose a different way of life.

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    21. Re:Arrogance. by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      Uncontacted means exactly what it is supposed to mean : never had a contact with civilization, never heard of it, never saw somewhere not living in their ways of life. Do you have an idea of how big Amazonia is ?

      I don't see how contact and talks could be bad. Show them the "wonders of the world", grant them the rights to the land they live on, and then give them the choice.

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    22. Re:Arrogance. by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      That's called Future Shock. What level would it be ? 3 ? 4 ?

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    23. Re:Arrogance. by AbRASiON · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If there's one thing I'm learning about life as I get older - and maybe just maybe I'm turning a little hippie but the one beautiful and pure thing in nature is innocence.

      When we watch a movie and a child or an animal dies, most of us get upset, we cry, we're sad - it's wrong.
      You have an adult die and it's a whole different thing, the key thing is the innocence, it's a beautiful and pure thing.

      Nature in itself is innocent, beautiful and natural; sorry but I don't care how we could help these people, we've got enough mess as it is now, let them enjoy themselves, they are living life how they want to and frankly good on them.

    24. Re:Arrogance. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Nature is deadly and uncaring.
      We think think Nature is beautiful only because we have tamed it.
      Smallpox, tornadoes, and starving to death are all natural and none of the are beautiful. Maybe a tornado but only when our technology makes us safe.

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    25. Re:Arrogance. by Detritus · · Score: 1

      Why? It doesn't mean that they are stupid. What if someone with a time machine kidnapped you and dropped you off 1000 years in the future. You might have trouble adjusting.

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    26. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually they wont be protected.
      I am a Gringo living in Brazil and actually we have big projects that are deploying Fiber Optics and GigaWireless connections over there in the extreme West of the Country (Between MT and Roraima, actually).
      There is no such thing as "the Amazon Rainforest" anymore. This is a Gringo fiction.
      Pretty much, half of Acre (the state where those indians were spotted) is now cities, big cattle farms, big rice and soy plantations. There are highways being built everywhere, and as I said, we are working with two of the Brazilian top infrastructure providers to deliver high capacity Internet to those parts of the country.
      As I have been flying over what is lasting from the Amazon forest for the last 6 months, I can tell you: today you see only sparse crumbs of native forest, all surrounded by cattle farms, soy, and interstate roads.
      It is sad, but as the Brazilians say, and I agree with them: nobody stopped us to destroy our Appalachian forests, extinct the Bison and exterminate our Native Americans, so we could become the super-power we are, and nobody is going to stop them as they are becoming a super-power now.
      So, as someone that is seeing this stuff happening with my bare eyes, I can tell: that Helicopter can't be classified as a God for those poor Indians, but pretty much as a Horsemen of their own Apocalypse...

    27. Re:Arrogance. by russotto · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Smallpox, tornadoes, and starving to death are all natural and none of the are beautiful. Maybe a tornado but only when our technology makes us safe.


      If starving to death isn't beautiful, explain Hollywood and the fashion industry.
    28. Re:Arrogance. by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Hello here is some medicine, no I know you never needed it before but you will now we have given you all these new diseases you aren't immune to....

      Most of our modern medicines were developed to cure diseases these people have never had ...

      The only thing modern medicine could help is infant mortality .... but then they would have to cope with overpopulation like us ...

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    29. Re:Arrogance. by raddan · · Score: 1

      It is likely that they've already had contact with a number of pathogens brought over by the Old Worlders. While they do not have contact directly with "modern" people, they do have contact with other tribes who do. For instance, smallpox beat Cortes to the Yucatan because it had been introduced by Europeans elsewhere in the Americas prior to the Cortes' arrival. This was partially because of the virulence of the disease, but also because the Aztecs had quite a sophisticated transportation and communications network, even by European standards at the time.

      In fact, Europeans had great difficulty using these roads, as not only were they paved, and thus hard on the hooves of their horses, but the Aztecs also utilized staircases. Instead of going around or through hills, the Aztecs went over them. Horses had difficulty with the stairs, but the beast of burden in the Americas, the llama, did not, and the Aztecs used this to their advantage militarily. Without European disease essentially wiping the indigenous people out there, it is unlikely that Cortes would have had such an impressive military victory with such a paltry force. For anyone whose interested, this is all discussed in 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus.

    30. Re:Arrogance. by gambolt · · Score: 1

      "contamination" is quite literal. Think diseases.

    31. Re:Arrogance. by jeremiahbell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The whole "noble savage" and living a humble stone age life idea is obviously false. If it was more satisfying and happy to live like that great numbers of people would do it. Some do, many for religious reasons, even if they claim they are secular reasons, but most of us realize how great it is to live in the modern age. I've cut firewood, walked everywhere, occasionally used a bike, and cooked all of my food like it was the eighteenth century. I felt, and it worked for a bit, that I would be more satisfied. The amount of free time I lost to all of these activities was not worth it. The modern age gives me free time to study philosophy, history, computer programming, mathematics, and whatever else I feel like, all things very few people had time for in the past, unless they had servants to do the vast majority of the work for them. People settle on what makes them happy, and how we choose to live shows what makes us happy no matter how much we deny it.

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    32. Re:Arrogance. by gambolt · · Score: 1

      The term "uncontacted" is falling into disuse in some circles. Most just live in extreme isolation and avoid contact with the outside world.

      Of those who have no contact, they likely have contact with other tribes who do. I bet they all know we're out here.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_tribes

    33. Re:Arrogance. by Fumus · · Score: 1

      If I had I choice. I'd rather you not contact me if I were them.
      Consider that they live simple lives, not bothered by any corporate machines, governments etc. Now it would turn out that they are vastly outnumbered by some strange people with strange rituals. They'd either end up killed by some reason or like the Indians.

      To quote a friend of mine about The Matrix:
      If some cyberpunk Jehovah's Witnesses' equivalents came to me, offering salvation by joining their weird renegate sect, I'd tell them to shove that red pill up their asses, show them the middle finger and say:
      "Screw you, you jackass in fancy glasses. Screw you and the rest of you posers. God damned terrorists thinking they're some kind of world saviours. Trying to forcefully set millions of people "free". Thanks a lot, but the only thing you can offer us is a stupid and pointless death in the name of false ideals. Away from home, family and friends. You are saying that I should throw away my whole life because some nonconformist misfits don't like the idea of virtual reality? I just can't imagine how you blockheads thought up the idea that we would want to exchange our normal, comfortable lives for a filthy, flea-ridden village located hundred miles underground.
      Oh, so this isn't real? We're living in a lie, machines are sucking up our energy, and we ourselves are only meatbags suspended in jelly? When did your brain die? Listen, wise-guy. From what you're saying, it was us - humans, who destroyed this world. Those machines did not only allow us to continue our lives, but recreated for us everything that we destroyed! Only thanks to them can we live without the feeling of guilt for ruining the planet! What a bunch of ungrateful hypocrites. You think that you're so cool in those fancy leather coats and tinted glasses? Saviours of mankind, who won't think twice before slaughtering dozens of innocent bystanders and cops doing their job, just because they were in the way. And you kill without blinking an eye! No remorse at all. Who is the fucking stripped of emotions machine now? I want to spit you in the face, you damned nazis.
      Now get out of my apartment or I'll set the dogs on you! And don't you dare to come back! I'd much rather be a "slave" of the system than live in your free, real and full of lies world!"

    34. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and hell they get the benefit of learning all about Jesus too!

      If I were them I'd be shooting arrows too.

    35. Re:Arrogance. by VoltCurve · · Score: 0

      I don't know whether we should contact them or not but we should Rick Roll them regardless.

    36. Re:Arrogance. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      What if someone with a time machine kidnapped you and dropped you off 1000 years in the future. You might have trouble adjusting.

      Would it really be any harder then adjusting to being dropped off in a modern day country that speaks a different language or has different cultural norms than your own?

      If you took someone from the Middle Ages and dropped them into Times Square they'd probably be very overwhelmed -- but do you have any reason to think that they wouldn't eventually adjust and live a normal life?

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    37. Re:Arrogance. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      If starving to death isn't beautiful, explain Hollywood and the fashion industry.

      As disgusting as that anorexic look is it's not "starving to death". If you want to see pictures of what straving to death really looks like do some Google image searches for "concentration camp survivors" or "POWs held by Japan".

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    38. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they are going to be "protected" from contamination.
      Yes I know that many tribes have suffered when the ran into civilized peoples but I wonder how they would feel about it if they knew.
      Yes your child could have been saved with just a few pills but we didn't want to contaminate you.
      Yes you could see what some of the lights in the sky really do look like.
      You could meet people from far across the sea and you two could fly through the air.
      But we don't want to contaminate you.

      I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice. "Any form of contact with the tribes could be catastrophic because of their vulnerability to outsidersâ(TM) diseases. After first contact, it is common for more than 50% of a tribe to die."
      http://www.survival-international.org/news/3342

      Still want to give them that choice? That right comes with a hefty price tag, in life.
    39. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they are going to be "protected" from contamination.
      Yes I know that many tribes have suffered when the ran into civilized peoples but I wonder how they would feel about it if they knew.
      Yes your child could have been saved with just a few pills but we didn't want to contaminate you.
      Yes you could see what some of the lights in the sky really do look like.
      You could meet people from far across the sea and you two could fly through the air.
      But we don't want to contaminate you.

      I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice.

      Why oh why didn't I take the BLUE pill?
    40. Re:Arrogance. by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Well yeah, because my friends and family would be long dead and I wouldn't know anyone but the jerk that timeknapped me. I'd say that'd be almost cripplingly depressing. It would be a bit different if they also brought everyone I ever knew or heard of in the whole world.

      The technology, I'd figure out how to deal with within a week. Although I doubt I'd ever figure out what the hell the three shells are for.

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    41. Re:Arrogance. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      We think think Nature is beautiful only because we have tamed it.
      Smallpox, tornadoes, and starving to death are all natural and none of the are beautiful. Maybe a tornado but only when our technology makes us safe.


      We may have tamed 2 out of 3 (in the US), but having seen what was left of some towns in "tornado alley", we have yet to tame those.
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    42. Re:Arrogance. by naoursla · · Score: 1

      The whole "human rebellion" and "virtual reality battery slave" thing was a lie set up by the machines because some people want that choice.

      Actually, it wasn't even set up by the machines. It was set up by humans who built the machines.

    43. Re:Arrogance. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Do I have my friends and family with me? Can I go back if I choose? Can I take anything I learn back with me?
      Heck yes send me with a library card, digital camera, and a scanner please.

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    44. Re:Arrogance. by ThatTallGuy · · Score: 1

      > I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice.

      Think about it: in order for them to have made an informed choice, you have to give them the information on what they're deciding about -- destroying their choice.

      Can't put the mushroom cloud back into the uranium.

    45. Re:Arrogance. by Niops · · Score: 1

      The problem is that if we go in, we've already destroyed their ability to choose. Either way, we're destroying their ability to choose. Once we go in and ask, we cannot then take it back. They cannot revert to ignorance once we make contact. Whatever we do, it would be irrevocable.

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    46. Re:Arrogance. by DerWulf · · Score: 1

      please define "innocence".

      This isolation is much more to our benefit then it is to theirs. Thing is: the people advocating for leaving such tribes alone don't realize that nature is quite harsh and that those people are not living in paradise. But then they are just a bunch of primitives so it's completely okay if they starve or suffer from maladies that are easily curable in this day and age. Just as long as we get to have a zoo with real people in it!

      > However, maybe they know about medicines we only dream of.

      No the don't. They are STONEAGE people that die of AGE at 30. What is it about you people? Primitiveness brings no special wisdom ...

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    47. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the real arrogance here in the implicit delusion that there exists a choice for these people at all? Once they have been 'contaminated' there really is no going back. Civilization's influence is nearly impossible to avoid, and will likely grind these people's culture to dust. Their choice is illusory, it's entirely ours: contact and destruction, or limited preservation through isolation.

      It's also amusing that the website users the nomenclature "Indians".

    48. Re:Arrogance. by Ardaen · · Score: 1

      Of course, contacting them could quite literally contaminate them, with disease. Kill off most of them just by sneezing. A larger more diverse population would be a larger breeding ground for more deadly diseases would it not? Isn't that what happened to the native populations of the Americas way back when the Europeans first came?

    49. Re:Arrogance. by jimicus · · Score: 1

      I don't see how contact and talks could be bad. Show them the "wonders of the world", grant them the rights to the land they live on, and then give them the choice. Erm... hate to break it to you but if they're so uncontacted, there's a very good chance that the very concept of even needing "rights to the land that they live on" is completely alien to them.
    50. Re:Arrogance. by ravenaraven · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they where given a choice what they would decide? Maybe it is wrong to not give them the choice. I wish aliens think the same way...
    51. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate to get too deep but isn't this the classic "if you observe something you change it".

      We've already seen them. They've obviously already seen us.

      Isn't that the entire def. of the word Contact?

      Maybe i'm confused and need to rewatch that movie.

    52. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's start simple.
      Lighter (or flint obvious)
      Modern Knife / Scissors (so they don't have to knaw their teeth down)
      Modern rope (so they don't have to spend months making it freeing up time for youtube)
      Couple Tarps (so they don't get rained on)
      Flashlight [shake charged] (so they don't burn the village down taking a piss at night)
      Containers, Buckets Glasses Bowls etc etc (for pissing, shitting and eating out of)
      Couple books preferably medical (they can learn the language of assumlation)
      A Gun (obvious)
      We can just throw in a wind up radio, solar calculator, toys for the kids and some watches while we're at it.

      If they are as primative as they say they are then i could probably go on for HOURS thinking of things i'd want without power in the woods.

      I say we all get together and start them an online gift registry right now. Think fedex will deliver?

    53. Re:Arrogance. by umbra_dweller · · Score: 1

      Sure, but let's be realistic - if they were thrust into the modern world, with no knowledge of Spanish/Portuguese/English, no concept of money, land title or written law they would not be walking on Mars or curing cancer. They would be fighting with the loggers or moving to the favelas in Rio, and working shit jobs, begging or stealing. At least what they have now is a stable, functioning society, one which has kept them alive for thousands of years. I agree the protection is paternalistic, but unless there is a comprehensive social safety net for these kind of people, I don't see how bringing them into our world could be anything but cruel.

    54. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep right up to the point you come in and take it from them and cut it down.

      They might not understand land rights but i'm sure they know what loss is.

      It's a good point if nothing else, even if there is no rhyme or reason to who originally owns land and can rightfully use and sell.

    55. Re:Arrogance. by oni · · Score: 1

      The issue of cargo cults has been raised several times already in this thread. Here's my take: when people like you and I meet people like this tribe, a much higher percentage of people from the tribe will desire our way of life, than people like you and I desiring their way of life.

      The implication of that, in my mind, is that our way of life is better (on balance, I'm sure there are advantages to their way of life too).

      So here we have fellow human beings. They have brains and consciousnesses just like ours. But they will live short lives, they will suffer terribly from things like cavities and common injuries, many of their children will die as infants, many of their mothers will die from complications of childbirth.

      Seriously, can you imagine how much it must suck for one of them to have a cavity? Can you imagine what it's like to break a bone and have no cast, no pain medicine, etc? Would you prefer to live only 30 or 40 years at most, being eaten alive by parasites, watching your children and loved ones die and not understanding why?

      These are not dogs. They are our fellow humans. We could show them a better life, and given them the choice to take it or not, but...

      So they are going to be "protected" from contamination.

      we're going to "protect" them. Why? Is it because this is what's best for them? No. It's because it amuses us - as if they're our pets.

      You're right, this is arrogance.

    56. Re:Arrogance. by d0nju4n · · Score: 1

      you two could fly through the air. But we don't want to contaminate you. But what about the rest of them??
    57. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But thats the funny thing about choices - you don't *really* get to "give" someone else a choice. You make the choice to contact or not. Not acting is itself making a choice, but it is not "giving" that choice away. You can choose to act/not act. So can they. But the burden/freedom of choosing is not something you can give like an apple.

    58. Re:Arrogance. by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      you forget. they don't know that stuff exists, so they don't want it or need it.

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    59. Re:Arrogance. by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      personally, i would live like that, but the government frowns on the tax evasion it creates, and my pasty white skin does poorly in the sun, so running around nude is really not a great plan for me. besides those factors, it would be great.

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    60. Re:Arrogance. by lgw · · Score: 1

      So I take it yoy've never done tech support for your grandparents, then?

      It seems that humans have a hard time adopting new technology past adulthood. You really need to pick up at least the fundamentals while young, or it quite dificult to understand a technology except as magic (which is basically how my grandparents viewed computers).

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    61. Re:Arrogance. by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      A better example of someone who might adjust would be an ancient Roman; they had the sort of outlook that would make living in the modern world fairly easy. I think a medieval European might simply disintegrate in the face of a world so utterly alien.

    62. Re:Arrogance. by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Most of our modern medicines were developed to cure diseases these people have never had ...

      Such as the ones they never lived long enough to get? Bacterial infections are reality everywhere.

      The only thing modern medicine could help is infant mortality .... but then they would have to cope with overpopulation like us ...

      Don't forget that it's not just babies who die: it's mothers too. Historical estimates are around 1% of births resulting in maternal death.

    63. Re:Arrogance. by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, things turn out better for the descendants, but it isn't completely nice for the generation making contact. For one thing, you're as likely to infect their children as to save them.

      Arrogance is assuming that it is we who have everything to show them, and that what they know and how they live has no value.

      Arrogance is treating a people who are apparently getting along fine without us as wards of the state.

      Arrogance is assuming that we have the right to plan the use of the land they are already using because we've drawn political boundaries that include that territory.

      I agree, there are many good things about contact. But it's dangerous. While in a moral sense these people are our equals, they are not our equals in practical power. These people don't have guns, and aircraft, and the resources of a nation state and industrial economy to draw upon. So when it comes to contact, they don't get to dictate terms. It is up to the people who do get to dictate terms to consider the interests of those who don't.

      It is paternalistic, but there's no helping it. First contact can only be done once. Do it wrong and you endanger their culture, even their lives.

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    64. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is correct. I talked to my colleague, an anthropologist, who told me there are no such groups of people that are "uncontacted." The last of these were met in perhaps the 1930s or at the latest the '40s... the world wars reached pretty much everywhere and in their aftermath anthropologists made their way all over the globe.

      The idea that a group around today would be completely isolated, never having any cultural contact, is rubbish. The survival advantages of having such simple "modern" items as a steel knife vs. a stone knife that you must work for hours to sharpen are astronomical. Even if these people have never seen a helicopter (probably untrue), they surely use some items that come from modern technology, such as steel or machine-woven cotton.

      Like the parent says, they willfully stay away, knowing to some extent what exists outside.

    65. Re:Arrogance. by ampathee · · Score: 1

      They're not a fucking endangered species of rat or something.
      They're PEOPLE. Give THEM the choice whether they want to learn about the outside world or not. You want to keep them "innocent" for your entertainment? If you're so fucking keen on innocence, YOU go live in the jungle.

    66. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most are "uncontacted" by choice. they are hostile to outsiders and so the outsiders eventually chose to leave them be.

    67. Re:Arrogance. by oneiron · · Score: 1

      First contact with uncontacted tribes is often catastrophic resulting in numerous deaths as a result of common diseases like cold and flu viruses for which the they have no immunity. Better wear a hazmat suit when you visit them to provide medical treatment... That's just one of many serious considerations that factor into protection policies like this.

    68. Re:Arrogance. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My question would be: Are the women hot? Because I could certainly use some uncivilized women who don't know what a nerd I am :)

    69. Re:Arrogance. by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Actually they are an engdangered species or did you not read the actual article?
      They are people, simple ones, with simple lives - let them be.

      Oh and it has nothing to do with my entertainment, precisely the opposite, some other morons would likely love to meddle with their lives, for their entertainment, fuck that.

    70. Re:Arrogance. by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

      Walking around a bit and cutting firewood in the modern world is hardly stone age living.

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    71. Re:Arrogance. by Monsuco · · Score: 1

      These people are not stupid, and they know that other people exist. If anyone in that tribe wanted to contact the outside world, they'd just walk over to a logging camp or a park headquarters.
      Or perhaps they are just afraid of us. People naturally ph34r the unknown.
    72. Re:Arrogance. by ampathee · · Score: 1
      My point was that they are as human as you are. They are capable of comprehending the outside world. I'm sure it would be a shock, but it's not up to you to decide that it's all to complicated for them.

      They are people, simple ones, with simple lives - let them be. That is sickeningly arrogant. These are adult humans, not children, not animals to be protected. They can make their own decisions.
    73. Re:Arrogance. by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      It's also not up to you to decide it isn't too complicated for them now is it?

      We clearly disagree here, I find the concept of even speaking to them arrogant, you find the concept of not speaking to them arrogant - we're all entitled to our opinions I spose and good for you. :/

    74. Re:Arrogance. by Hucko · · Score: 1

      That would be stupid; the pointy end of their arrows is a clearly defined no.

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    75. Re:Arrogance. by Mr+Jazzizle · · Score: 1

      Hey...wasn't there some cartoon about someone accidently showing up 1000 years into the future and having to adjust?

    76. Re:Arrogance. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      It seems that humans have a hard time adopting new technology past adulthood

      I think you are painting with a pretty broad brush there. It might be better to say that some humans have a hard time adopting new technology.

      I know a 84 year old WW2 vet that has a gaming rig that blows my setup out of the water. He plays computer games all day long (it must be nice to be retired....) He doesn't have /. like computer knowledge but he's quite comfortable using them and generally adopts new technology faster than I do (it must be nice to have money...).

      You really need to pick up at least the fundamentals while young, or it quite dificult to understand a technology except as magic

      What are the 'fundamentals'? Are the fundamentals of computers having the knowledge of how digital systems work and what all that hardware on the motherboard does? Are the fundamentals of automobiles knowing how internal combustion engines work and all the related hardware that supports them? Or are they the ability to interface with that technology (drive a car, operate a computer)? If it's merely the ability to interface with the technology than anyone who is still capable of learning is capable of adopting new technology.

      which is basically how my grandparents viewed computers

      That's not how mine viewed them. They deferred to my knowledge with regards to computers but they didn't view them as some sort of black magic that only I fully understood.

      Going back to the original question, exactly why do you think that someone from 1,000 years ago wouldn't be able to (eventually) adjust to our world? Do you think that there is some reason you wouldn't be able to teach them how to drive a car? Operate a telephone? Use an ATM? Fire a gun?

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    77. Re:Arrogance. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      A better example of someone who might adjust would be an ancient Roman; they had the sort of outlook that would make living in the modern world fairly easy. I think a medieval European might simply disintegrate in the face of a world so utterly alien.

      That's a pretty interesting way of looking at it. An upper class Roman would probably look at our World and just see a lot of the jobs his slaves used to do replaced with technology. He'd probably adapt pretty quickly. He'd probably also be pretty proud of himself considering how much influence Rome had on the modern World.

      I don't think the medieval European would disintegrate but he'd have a pretty hard time adjusting. You'd have some good selling points for him if you could communicate with him though -- we beat smallpox and syphilis for starters. The trouble is that a lot of the modern world would completely fly in the face of everything he thinks -- you'd probably want to have a pretty good psychologist on hand when you thawed him out.

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    78. Re:Arrogance. by somersault · · Score: 1

      I concur in general about the time thing, but I think it's important to take time out to relax and get exercise in those ways anwyay. I started walking to work about a week ago, enjoying the good weather, and taking advantage of the fact that I've been banned from driving for 3 months (for speeding on the motorway, not dangerous/drunk driving), and I've noticed that my productivity at work has increased :)

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    79. Re:Arrogance. by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Average lifespan 30, but mostly this is due to high infant mortality ... if you survived to 30 you would probably live 'til you were 70+, the Bible's Three score years and ten is not a fiction it is how long really could be expected to live...

      Bacterial infections where they live they are mostly immune to or know how to avoid (except children ...) new infections they have no immunity to ...

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    80. Re:Arrogance. by lgw · · Score: 1

      History shows us that stone-age tribesmen have proven quite capable of firing guns.

      History also shows that stone-age tribesmen have, on average, a hard time adapting to the modern world, and making contributions that modern society finds (monetarily) valuable. And it seems to be the culture, not the individuals, that causes the problem, as children raised on the old traditions also commonly have these problems.

      In any place and time there are a *lot* of basic survival skills to learn, especially if you include avoiding scams as a survival skill. It takes years, and if the ones you learned growing up aren't a match for your current time and place, it's quite rough, and requires significant effort to adapt. Of course, in theory anyone could make that effort, but in practice most people are lazy, and never will.

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  19. Empire Earth 2 by hocrap · · Score: 1

    Reminded me of a Penny-Arcade strip for Empire Earth 2

    http://www.empireearth2.com/images/pennyarcade.jpg

    was hilarious.

    "Behold! More gifts more the heavens"

  20. Obligatory Jim Elliot Reference by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 1

    When Jim Elliot flew a small, single engine yellow airplane over an "uncontacted" tribe, they began to call it a big bee. I quoted uncontacted because they had contacted other tribes, to kill them.

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    1. Re:Obligatory Jim Elliot Reference by dwater · · Score: 1

      > I quoted uncontacted because they had contacted other tribes, to kill them.

      How very American of them.

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      Max.
  21. Catch-22? by JakeD409 · · Score: 1

    In reading this story, all I could think about is that their status as "uncontacted" is kind of a catch-22.

    In today's world, even in Peru/Brazil, you have to try REALLY HARD to stay "uncontacted", actively avoiding any contact. Hard enough that, as a tribe, you probably wouldn't expend the resources to do it unless you felt like you had a really good reason to.

    Which begs the question: what is their reason? Are they just really paranoid? Or is it something akin to The Village (SPOILERS AHEAD)---




    ---and the tribe "elders" really know exactly what's going on out there and really want everyone to stay away from it all?

    1. Re:Catch-22? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Heh. Just as the ending of the 6th sense seemed obvious from the first couple of scenes (after hearing the much publicised "I see dead people" thing for years at least), I doubt that could have been much of a shock either. At least Unbreakable was quite interesting.. I guess it had a bit of a 'twist' too, but again it wasn't very much of a shock.. does that M Night Shyamalamadingdong guy only do stories with fairly obvious twists? :p

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    2. Re:Catch-22? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      M Night Shyamalamadingdong Good to know I'm not the only one who calls him this.
    3. Re:Catch-22? by xerxesVII · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. And once you know the twists, they're rarely very interesting stories.

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    4. Re:Catch-22? by ggvaidya · · Score: 1

      M Night Shyamala[n]adingdong Jesus, you got the name (almost) right in the first 15 characters; why did you have to waste your time with adding spurious onomatopoeic words at the end? Was there a point?
    5. Re:Catch-22? by somersault · · Score: 1

      I just always think of a couple of songs when I hear that name, one by Adam Sandler (Red Sweater), and that other knick-knack paddywack ramalamadingdong whatever song >.> I'm sorry if my extra-prosaic wretchings have offended you. Okay so I'm not sorry. Oh, my name's not Jesus btw.

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    6. Re:Catch-22? by somersault · · Score: 1

      Likewise :D

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      which is totally what she said
  22. cooking fires by apodyopsis · · Score: 2, Funny

    It would of been fascinating to see them try and skin, roast and eat the helicopter after they brought it down. That would be the mother of all cooking fires.

    1. Re:cooking fires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Rev. James Baker's boots? BTW the descendants of those who ate him recently apologised to his descendants.

    2. Re:cooking fires by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      There is precedence.
      Wasn't it Jaws 3 where the shark ate a helicopter?
      It literally jumped out of the water and grabbed the helicopter pontoon and dragged it down.

      Jumping the shark, so to speak.

    3. Re:cooking fires by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it Jaws 3 where the shark ate a helicopter?

      How did it do that without the benefit of a frickin' laser on it's frickin' head?

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    4. Re:cooking fires by RPoet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would have been, not would of been.

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  23. Prime Directive by Ecuador · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, isn't flying over with a helicopter, a blatant violation of the Prime Directive?

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    1. Re:Prime Directive by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, isn't flying over with a helicopter, a blatant violation of the Prime Directive?

      Not anymore apparently ;)

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    2. Re:Prime Directive by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      "there is no starship mission more dangerous than that of first contact"

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    3. Re:Prime Directive by tony1343 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      According to Memory Alpha "the Directive states that members of Starfleet are not to interfere in the internal affairs of another species, especially the natural development of pre-warp civilizations, either by direct intervention, or technological revelation."

      These are humans (thus the same species), so no problems. We can conquer, destroy and/or commit genocide like we have done with other aboriginal humans.~

    4. Re:Prime Directive by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      I am not sure, from the pics they look much more alien than most races I have seen on Star Trek (esp. TOS). I could definately see a couple of Orion girls coming out of the forest to throw their spears...

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    5. Re:Prime Directive by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

      "We're not interfering, we're taking over." - Kirk

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  24. reality! by Joe_kools · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is that Jeff Probst there in the black? This must be the super secret filming of the next survivor!

  25. Neolithic is normal by gobbo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's not forget that these people represent a kind of norm. This biological form that we take right now more or less developed during the long Stone Age -- i.e. most of our unwritten history is in that way of life. It means that the roots of our culture, and perhaps the way our brains are organised, draw sustenance from this long period.

    We need these people to be just who they are, unchanged, for our own understanding of ourselves.

    The problem is the ethics of contact: do we withhold the benefits of civilization? Is modernization a fair process? It's easy to dismiss a preservationist approach as romanticizing the savage, from your abstracted armchair reality. But, live with tribal peoples for a while, and you realize that short of modern medicine and food surpluses, not only is it not so bad, it has distinct advantages as a lifestyle, and is not so different from our own.

    Whatever. I expect them to be overrun, poisoned, shot, and assimilated, then held up as an example of the superiority of civilization.

    1. Re:Neolithic is normal by mckorr · · Score: 1
      "We need these people to be just who they are, unchanged, for our own understanding of ourselves."

      But to achieve that understanding we would have to study them, which means coming in to contact with them, etc. etc.

      These aren't wildebeests you can study secretly from a hidden blind. They're humans. You try to watch them in secret they are going to figure it out and find you.

    2. Re:Neolithic is normal by somersault · · Score: 1

      But, live with tribal peoples for a while, and you realize that short of modern medicine and food surpluses, not only is it not so bad, it has distinct advantages as a lifestyle, and is not so different from our own. I have to agree there. I used to wonder if I'd be better just going and working on a farm or something rather than in an office (even though I've only worked in one for less than a decade). We're a bit too detached from the realities of life in todays world. That's good in some ways as it allows us to spend more time on developing new tech, but it can also lead to too much time to worry about stupid little things that wouldn't actually bother you if you spent time working crops or hunting. I think the sense of community alone could be worth living in those kinds of conditions. I'm not sure I'd want to do that for the rest of my life though, but what do I know without giving it a go first? :P
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    3. Re:Neolithic is normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "out own understanding of ourselves"

      My, aren't we so important and selfish.

    4. Re:Neolithic is normal by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Let's not forget that these people represent a kind of norm. This biological form that we take right now more or less developed during the long Stone Age -- i.e. most of our unwritten history is in that way of life. It means that the roots of our culture, and perhaps the way our brains are organised, draw sustenance from this long period. We need these people to be just who they are, unchanged, for our own understanding of ourselves. The problem is the ethics of contact: do we withhold the benefits of civilization? Is modernization a fair process? It's easy to dismiss a preservationist approach as romanticizing the savage, from your abstracted armchair reality. But, live with tribal peoples for a while, and you realize that short of modern medicine and food surpluses, not only is it not so bad, it has distinct advantages as a lifestyle, and is not so different from our own. Whatever. I expect them to be overrun, poisoned, shot, and assimilated, then held up as an example of the superiority of civilization. Upon what do you base the assumption that the culture of these people bears any resemblance to early human culture? How do we know that these people are not the descendants of people who were at one time part of civilization? This group is just as far removed temporally from those early ancestors as our own, upon what basis can we conclude that they have preserved the culture of their long ago ancestors while we have not?
      This reminds me of a story of an anthropologist who went into the jungles of Burma looking for a tribe that was unsullied by exposure to Western Civilization sometime in the 70's or early 80's. This anthropologist selected a location deep within the jungles of Burma near the border with China, a place that had no access by roads for quite a distance. He flew in by helicopter and was dropped off and made contact with the natives. He made recordings of their wonderful tribal singing and observations of their "unsullied" culture. He came back to the U.S. (I believe he was an American), and wrote some papers about his experiences. He played his recordings for people and they all commented on how beautiful and "pristine" the music was. This story was picked up by NPR and they played some of his recordings. NPR got a bunch of phone calls from people who recognized the songs, they were old fashioned hymns. It turns out that a group of missionaries were driven from China by the Communists in the early 50's and lived out their lives among this "uncontacted" tribe. Until someone makes contact and learns the history of the tribe, we have no way to know that they are actually uncontacted.
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    5. Re:Neolithic is normal by DeatheScythe · · Score: 1

      I think what he is getting at isn't the details of the culture, like their music or language. Those things change significantly through time so you wouldn't expect them to be the same. Rather he is referring to everyday lifeways and experience of the people photographed. Basically, their methods of gathering food, group size, and kinship systems reflect a societal and subsistence culture that may very well be similar to how humans lived in the distant past. It should be pointed out however that this is very environment specific. You wouldn't expect similar lifeways at all in an open savannah or tundra or desert environment.

    6. Re:Neolithic is normal by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      There is something to what you say, however, I have often seen people make the claim that we know that early human cultures were XYZ because such and such low technology culture was XYZ (where XYZ was ideal society according to the person speaking). Just because a group of people lives a subsistence life and has little or no contact with the outside world does not mean that the construction of their social relationships is the same as the social relationships of our ancestors from before the rise of civilization.
      For example, just because one low technology society in an environment is patriarchal/matriarchal does not mean that every low tech society in a similar environment will be patriarchal/matriarchal.

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    7. Re:Neolithic is normal by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Sorry, To make a second reply to you so soon. I forgot to add this, if your point is correct, what does it matter if we preserve these people's "uncorrupted" society. We can recreate the same type of social structures in just a couple of generations if we wish, by placing a group of people in this setting and denying them any technology. If the people are volunteers, they will possibly even be willing to not teach their children about the technology they had been exposed to before joining the project.

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    8. Re:Neolithic is normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it a little arrogant for us to tell others how they have to live their lives a specific way just for our own benefit?

      Whether we judge our own way of life superior or inferior is one thing. When we make a choice for someone else, even to leave them alone for our benefit, that is still taking away their freedom to choose. And not deciding not to choose is itself a choice.

      The point is there is no clear right or wrong choice in this. It is what it is.

    9. Re:Neolithic is normal by DeatheScythe · · Score: 1

      Posting from cell. Please be kind. Culture history isn't something we should forget. Disregarding the fact that if you drop a group of people from modern civ into that situation they probably wouldn't last a month, their cultural history would likely develop them into something different. I agree you can't look at these people and say this is humanity 10kya. Instead this gives us another example of the breadth of human cultural variation in a given environment. Alone we don't have much but combined with other examples we may be able to make detailed inferences about the past. Sorry if that was disjointed. Typing this took forever.

    10. Re:Neolithic is normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I understand these tribes are usually decimated by disease after being contacted by wester n civilization... No I didn't rtfa.

    11. Re:Neolithic is normal by Znork · · Score: 1

      it has distinct advantages as a lifestyle, and is not so different from our own.

      That may very well be true. On the other hand, if we go by our own history and the social development of some isolated groups, the lifestyle may be very different, and have distinct advantages only for the leaders (well, maybe that isn't much different, but you get the drift).

      Besides medicine and food, what about civil liberties? Equality? Age of consent? Is consent even a concept?

      To be blunt, human tribal lifestyles have ranged from the idealized idyllic to Austrian cellar style.

      In the end, how would you yourself rather be treated in that situation? Left alone to 'enrich human culture' like some culture fair exhibit, a zoo specimen? Or be responsibly contacted and left to decide for yourself? Do you want to know all you can know, or do you want to be kept in an invisible cage, left to the whims of your leaders?

      Personally I know what I would want (heck, occasionally I'd prefer the customary daily ass-probe of any presumptive galactic overlords culture than be stuck on the backwater of Earth with hooman culture).

      They're human beings. They should be given chance to assess their situation and make their own informed choices as they want. They're not an exhibit for our enjoyment, nor should they have to suffer penitence for our guilty consciences about our forefathers handling of such situations. Keeping them isolated is as arrogant as deciding they should be modernized. There is a middle way of lesser evil to tread perhaps.

      Whatever. I expect them to be overrun, poisoned, shot, and assimilated, then held up as an example of the superiority of civilization.

      Yah. We could use some contact with a more evolved species ourselves.

    12. Re:Neolithic is normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Normal'? 'We need...'? Is everything about you?

      Do you live the 'normal' way your ancestors did hundreds of years ago, never mind thousands?

      If not, why not?

      What makes you think they wouldn't want to be part of the modern world if they knew it existed? It's not black and white, and it should have nothing to do with you wanting other people to make the sacrifice of being live zoo exhibits.

    13. Re:Neolithic is normal by rastilin · · Score: 1

      One anthropologist had a theory that the defining meme of Western civilization is to refuse to choose between any viewpoints on the basis that they are all equally valid.

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    14. Re:Neolithic is normal by rastilin · · Score: 1

      Here's an thought, by refusing contact with modern civilization and it's science, they have purposefully entered a weakened position. The very fact that we're having a discussion on weather they all live or die shows the superiority of modern civilization; you can talk about the "distinct advantages" all you want but they'll only keep those distinct advantages if we let them.

      Is this arrogance, of course. But even the kindest individual on these boards only talks about what we will do to them.

      I'd like to give them the option to join their home government, because the idea of keeping them isolated like some kind of pet is disturbing to me.

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    15. Re:Neolithic is normal by Port-0 · · Score: 1

      Have you actually lived with tribal people in the jungle before?

      I would agree, living in the modernized tribal setting is not so bad. But when you hear stories about what life was like before influences of the modern world, yikes, life was brutal. Life expectancy averaged in the 35-40 year range. Almost any injury was potentially life threatening. Revenge killing. Infanticide. Constant fear of the supernatural. Plenty of disease even without colds, flu, chicken-pox, measles. Like any place they sit around the fire laugh and tell stories. Like how 15 years ago the group down the river killed uncle Ed, and we must never forget that we need to go down there and burn one of their houses and try to whack one of them as they run out dazed in the middle of the night, but first we have to get a couple from that group up stream, And while were at it lets steal a little girl to be someones wife. and there are rumors the family to the east is planning a raid on us, so sleep with your spear in your hand.

      Though not perfect, Peru has a bilingual education program where most indiginous people have the option of going to school and learning to read and write in their own language as well as spanish. The tribes maintain a sense of identity. They have a university for indiginous people, train teachers, agriculture, etc... Their language is preserved, stories are written down. Even if they all die out or assimilate, there is a record of their existence, culture, customs, etc...

      my guess is that given the option most of the tribal groups in Peru would not go back to life the way it was in the 1930's.

    16. Re:Neolithic is normal by gobbo · · Score: 1

      They're human beings. They should be given chance to assess their situation and make their own informed choices as they want. They're not an exhibit for our enjoyment, nor should they have to suffer penitence for our guilty consciences about our forefathers handling of such situations. Keeping them isolated is as arrogant as deciding they should be modernized. There is a middle way of lesser evil to tread perhaps. Yes, that's my point too. The question is how to give them that choice in a way that doesn't rapidly eliminate them?

      We're simply unprepared to do it properly. I'm advocating waiting until we figure out how to actually give them a choice: no plague, no cargo cult, no seduction, no bribery, no greed, no propaganda or manifest destiny; just the facts. But who will present the facts of modern life to them in a relatively objective manner? Anthropologists have been struggling with this since Stanley Diamond's liberation anthropology proposals 45 years ago, and the James Clifford crowd haven't sorted it out yet. If the experts can't figure it out, our brightest and best, WTF can a slashdot thread accomplish? I say leave them alone until we actually grow up somewhat as a civilization. We're still sadly primitive, by our own standards.
    17. Re:Neolithic is normal by gobbo · · Score: 1

      'Normal'? 'We need...'? Is everything about you? No, it's about the whole planet, starting with the hoo-mans, who happen to be able to incinerate the surface but incapable of a just and reasonable society, and unfamiliar with the very basic precautionary principle.
    18. Re:Neolithic is normal by gobbo · · Score: 1

      Isn't it a little arrogant for us to tell others how they have to live their lives a specific way just for our own benefit? Yes, it is.

      Whether we judge our own way of life superior or inferior is one thing. When we make a choice for someone else, even to leave them alone for our benefit, that is still taking away their freedom to choose. And not deciding not to choose is itself a choice. Malarky. Contact, at present, means forcing our way of life on them... the worst parts of our way of life: cf. aboriginal populations all over the globe.
    19. Re:Neolithic is normal by gobbo · · Score: 1

      I think what he is getting at isn't the details of the culture, like their music or language. Sure, though those things have intrinsic value in themselves, like a lost Bach canon or a Shang dynasty urn. What is useful for the planet as a whole is a people who have the opportunity to truly keep themselves separate from modernity and pursue a paleolithic existence. It's mindset, yes, and specific epistemologies like botanical use, and physiology, and the development of specific social relations under specific conditions. Later, when we can properly sustain contact without destroying what we observe, the information might save us all.
    20. Re:Neolithic is normal by gobbo · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of a story of an anthropologist who went into the jungles of Burma looking for a tribe that was unsullied by exposure to Western Civilization sometime in the 70's or early 80's. ... It turns out that a group of missionaries were driven from China by the Communists in the early 50's and lived out their lives among this "uncontacted" tribe. That reminds me of meeting a chinese Kuomintang 'refugee' during the late '80's in the same region who lived an isolated tribal existence, thought that Nixon was going to return Chiang Kai Shek to power, and sacrificed a chicken in front of me to prove his sincerity. Culture is complex, and it gave me apocalyptic nightmares... I don't think we'd fare so well after the fall of civilization.

      I just am guessing that these folk are living a life similar to the paleolithic, but it's likely, based on similar tribes, the evidence of their tech, etc. My point is that we can't afford to confirm it just yet. We need to stabilize the region, develop appropriate protocols for contact, and approach very carefully. We are NOT ready for contact.
    21. Re:Neolithic is normal by gobbo · · Score: 1

      You don't have a very good grasp of the depth of oral traditions, or how complex a "primitive" system of knowledge is.

      Our distant stone age ancestors weren't stupid; they just had different, but nevertheless sophisticated, information.

    22. Re:Neolithic is normal by gobbo · · Score: 1

      These aren't wildebeests you can study secretly from a hidden blind. They're humans. You try to watch them in secret they are going to figure it out and find you. Yeah. So, let's wait until we can contact them without messing them up.

  26. What the Pictures Tell Us by superyooser · · Score: 4, Informative
    The BBC has good photos and a close-up with explanations of the people and objects seen.

    Although we do not know the name of the recently discovered tribe in Brazil, or what language they speak, it is possible to tease out some clues as to their way of life from the aerial photographs taken by the Brazilian government. ...
    1. Re:What the Pictures Tell Us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the woman is telling them what to do....

  27. RIAA sueing? by Ruben+Gonzales · · Score: 4, Funny

    Has the MPAA filed a lawsuit yet? Their red body paint totally infringes upon several trademarks connected to Indiana Jones, as is the whole "being an Indian".

  28. They are voting ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... for OOXML to be accepted as an ISO standard. Their spearman ooops, spokesman said, "though MSOffice does not support our language yet, I am sure they will soon because they gave us a picture of King Ballmer, and 24 glass beads".

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  29. I for one... by Chysn · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...welcome our new spear-wielding overlords.

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  30. This is what every Anthropologist dreams about! by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can only imagine a discovery like this is the sort of thing every Anthropologist dreams of. Finding some primitive culture, previously untouched by the outside world. Making contact with the people for the first time. Then showing them the power of the machine gun and overthrowing their chief, then ruling the tribe with an iron fist.

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    1. Re:This is what every Anthropologist dreams about! by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      Please tell me we also get to hear the lamentations of their women! It's just too much work if we don't even get any lamentations out of it.

    2. Re:This is what every Anthropologist dreams about! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Man Who Would Be King

      However, in real life you hear more often about the unscrupulous anthropologists who go live with a tribe in the jungle in order to have sex with the children there. Of course, they claim it is just research into their culture... yeah right.

  31. I wonder if by swamp+boy · · Score: 5, Funny

    they dropped a Coke bottle from the helicopter and it happened to land within the tribe area. ("The Gods Must Be Crazy")

    1. Re:I wonder if by Derek+Loev · · Score: 1

      It's been years since I had seen that movie and had completely forgotten about it until you mentioned the Coke bottle. If I remember correctly the Coke bottle (because of it's many uses) begins to divide the tribe and one of them goes off to destroy it encountering civilization on the way. A really interesting story and portrays the "evils of technology" really well. The main actor was an actual bushmen.

  32. First Alien Contact Lessons by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These tribespeople are giving the rest of our species a valuable lesson in how to greet the aliens when they land.

    None of this kumbaiyaa stuff that lets sinister aliens into our arms before we know they'll enslave us. Throw some spears at them to see how serious they are about making contact. If they aren't sophisticated enough to anticipate our violent reaction to their sudden appearance, they won't have anything worth learning that we can't get from just capturing some of their spacecraft. If they're really that superior, they'll take it in stride and calm us down.

    And if they're really evil, we'll at least have a chance to fight them off, rather than falling for some kind of "To Serve Man" conjob.

    That's exactly how this Amazon contact will play out. Why shouldn't we expect at least as much from our even more distant cousins when they arrive at our little backwater planet?

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    1. Re:First Alien Contact Lessons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The big difference is that if a flying saucer lands on Earth at least we have enough awareness of the universe to understand what the aliens are (at lease in a broad context. A helicopter/plane flying over that tribe probably scared the living sh*t out of them. It might be like nothing the ever conceived of before. Or they might have creation myths or legends which lead them to believe we are [insert abomination here].

    2. Re:First Alien Contact Lessons by busydoingnothing · · Score: 2, Funny

      Screw spears, I'm fixing myself a board with a nail. Everyone knows aliens are afraid of those. If my simple board and nail doesn't frighten them, I will build a bigger board with a bigger nail...

    3. Re:First Alien Contact Lessons by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

      See, you expect it to be a "flying saucer", "landing". Because we're no different from these tribespeople: we've got our own myths and legends, and nothing else, just like them. When aliens arrive, it's more likely (out of the infinite possibilities) that their kind of arrival will scare the shit out of most of us, confirm some coincidental crazy superstition some of us have (and contradictory different ones between different groups of us), and generally just blow our minds.

      We know nothing of these "new" people we just found in the Amazon, so I of course can't be sure about their particular beliefs. But unless they're perfectly unique among all peoples we've ever known, they also will have stories of strangers from "outside" coming, who they don't really consider human (because their tribe is the only humans, just like every tribe always believes until contacted).

      Your basic reaction that we're somehow different from these tribespeople is exactly the reason that we're not, because they too think they understand the rest of the universe, even though they don't. Just like we thing, but are wrong. And since the universe is practically entirely misunderstood, when you compare our glimmer of understanding to the perhaps infinite vastness to understand, our degree of misunderstanding is almost indistinguishable from theirs, in proportion.

      We should be certain only that we are certain of nearly as little as these Amazonians are. And take some more lessons from a people who have managed to keep their ways intact, as we hope to do when contacted by aliens ourselves. At the very least it's the best bargaining position from which to start the rest of our lives after contact.

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    4. Re:First Alien Contact Lessons by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      They should take the helicopter and pick up an lone tribes man, preferably one of the lower class in their society and anal probe them. Then see the reactions they get when they tell the story to the others.

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    5. Re:First Alien Contact Lessons by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

      If you think that "nearly as little" is just the same as "just as little" then you're as wrong as the Earth isn't flat.

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    6. Re:First Alien Contact Lessons by Dr.+Manhattan · · Score: 1

      If you think that "nearly as little" is just the same as "just as little" then you're as wrong as the Earth isn't flat.

      Oh, I agree, just putting things in perspective a bit.

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    7. Re:First Alien Contact Lessons by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

      It would be sad to take the example of primitive people as how we should treat aliens attempting to make contact. What if we attempt an attack and they realize we still basically haven't left the trees and just move on? If they're really evil and are sophisticated enough to build spaceships capable of traveling to meet us, then we have no chance of surviving an attack, much like these people with their bows and arrows. If they're peaceful, then why even attempt an attack? "To see how serious they are about making contact" seems like a pretty stupid excuse for it. If there's peaceful aliens out there, then we want to meet them and learn from them.

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    8. Re:First Alien Contact Lessons by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0

      Why not? The difference between us and "primitive" people is entirely in our technology. And the aliens we're talking about would make the difference between our tech and Amazonian tech look pretty small, compared to what the aliens would have to come here (unless they really do come from a hole to the center of the Earth or something).

      Look at how we're dealing with these Amazonians. Even though they're greeting us with violence, we're not going to let that stop us from getting to a peaceful relationship with them. Even though our society, that sent the helicopters, is a vastly more warlike society than the tribe that met us with their spears.

      So like I said in the first place, we don't have much to lose by learning from our Amazonian cousins how to great some creature showing up in your territory with superior tech: throw spears at them. If that pisses them off, they'd inevitably destroy us anyway. But it's more likely to earn some respect and some bargaining. The Amazonians are much more familiar with confronting the ignorance about the outside world we'd like to pretend we've outgrown, but we haven't, and also are more familiar with recognizing threats to their existence. I'm with them, not with some sneaky, fast-talking alien maybe out to eat me.

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  33. The Gods Must Be Crazy! by SoundGuyNoise · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just drop a Coke bottle with a GPS receiver or a mini cam. Let's see how they react to it.

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    1. Re:The Gods Must Be Crazy! by ATL_gadget_grrl · · Score: 1

      I envy the simplicity of their lives. How much are they paying for gas these days? How many times have their phones rung today?

      I'm betting dollars to doughnuts that there is some marketing genius sitting in an office at Coke (or insert your favorite conglomorate here) that is trying to figure out how to convince these poor people that they NEED their product: "Smithley, I have it! If I can expand our South American market share by selling each person in that tribe 3 of our widgets I will make VP next quarter! I want you on the next plane down there!!!"

      Or, there is some travel and tourism company plotting how to get us there to "study" them in their "native environment", like animals in a zoo - the exchange for our freakish fascination of their primitive ways ("what??? They don't even KNOW what the INTERNET is?? Gasp!!") is driving their civilization into the ground as well as we have done to our own.

      Yeah, call me bitter...

    2. Re:The Gods Must Be Crazy! by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      is driving their civilization into the ground as well as we have done to our own.

      I wonder if you'd still think we drove our civilization into the ground if this tribe was wiped out by some horrible disease that modern medicine would have prevented?

      Just saying, civilization has some advantages ;)

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    3. Re:The Gods Must Be Crazy! by ATL_gadget_grrl · · Score: 1

      That's the only life they know. Progress comes at a cost, so I'd say yeah, I say the same thing.

      At the end of the day, who says our ways are the right ones? I say we've mucked things up pretty well so I won't be so smug as to say that these people NEED to be civilized and acclimated into our "modern" society.

      Believe it or not, I am generally a pretty upbeat person. I just strongly think that we need to leave well enough alone.

    4. Re:The Gods Must Be Crazy! by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      I envy the simplicity of their lives. How much are they paying for gas these days? How many times have their phones rung today? What's their average life expectancy?
  34. Re: by pipatron · · Score: 1

    Thank you for explaining the joke!

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  35. It does work like that sometimes, though by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    if this is the depth of your outlook on people you don't know than you're utterly disgusting.


    Actually, it does work like that sometimes.

    E.g., "cargo cults." In the whole island-hopping in the Pacific, ground troops in the jungle were sometimes resupplied by airplanes paradropping crates of food and equipment. Well, some airplanes dropped their cargo wrong (remember, it was before GPS), some ran into the enemy and had to eject their cargo to escape, etc. At any rate, some of that cargo fell near some local tribes.

    And the funny thing is, some of those actually started worshipping the big birds who dropped all that good stuff. And prayed that they'd return and bring them more gifts. And when that failed to happen, they built wooden airplanes and sometimes (those who were close enough to an airstrip to notice that those winged gods landed there and unloaded stuff) built whole wooden mock-ups of airstrips including the barracks and buildings around them. Some went to such effort as to even build mock-ups of the other stuff they saw there, such as "radios" with "headphones" made out of coconuts. Some stood guard or conducted drills with sticks instead of weapons, because they assumed it was some ritual to make the big winged gods come land there.

    It wasn't the first time. The first well documented cargo cult, and undisputedly a cargo cult, was from 1919 from Papua. Those guys believed in the coming of a great ghost steamer to bring them tinned goods, tools, and stuff like that. That was their "messiah", so to speak. Furthermore, that they can communicate with the ghostly ancestors by raising and lowering a flag, on the flagpole a mocked-up office. Essentially they had looked at the stuff the Europeans did in ports, and how they communicated with their ships, and built a whole cult and ceremony around it.

    But we have documented instances of such stuff from the 19'th century too. E.g., the Tuka Movement in the Fiji islands. On the whole it was openly hostile to the Europeans, and preaching the extinction or enslavement of Europeans by the natives, and using such visual metaphors as fattening a white pig representing the Europeans to slaughter it when the ancients return. But funnily enough, it also incorporated a lot of stuff which was mocking what the Europeans did. E.g., military parades, blessing water for their religious ceremonies, etc.

    So, well, I don't care whether you find that outlook disgusting or not, but we have plenty of documented cases where it worked literally like the GP post said. If historical perspective offends you, so be it.
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    1. Re:It does work like that sometimes, though by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the whole it was openly hostile to the Europeans, and preaching the extinction or enslavement of Europeans by the natives, and using such visual metaphors as fattening a white pig representing the Europeans to slaughter it when the ancients return. But funnily enough, it also incorporated a lot of stuff which was mocking what the Europeans did. E.g., military parades, blessing water for their religious ceremonies, etc.

      Just to go on about this a little, if you believe Wikipedia, many of these cults involved the belief that the cargo being received by the Europeans (or Americans or whomever) were gifts from the gods/ancestors/etc, and that the native tribes were in fact the rightful receivers of these gifts. So they began to mimic the behaviour of the Europeans (or Americans or whomever), believing that these actions were rituals that would bring these gifts to them, while meanwhile exhibiting outward hostility to the invaders who were taking the cargo that was rightfully theirs.

    2. Re:It does work like that sometimes, though by Moraelin · · Score: 1

      Well, that would certainly explain why all those cults suddenly believed that their ancestors were white, like the guys they saw on the steamers and airplanes.

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    3. Re:It does work like that sometimes, though by sseaman · · Score: 1

      That sounds like perfectly rational behavior to me. If planes can accidentally drop valuable goods on your village, it is in your best interest to make that happen more often: and by confusing pilots into thinking you are base, you are increasing those odds. They might not have understood the mechanics of battlefield logistics, but they made their best guess as to what the pilots were looking for.

    4. Re:It does work like that sometimes, though by Gandalf · · Score: 1

      Fattening white pigs both mocking and mimicking Europe have actually been around since the fifteenth century.

      (Official recognition not until 1776 though.)

      (Laugh, please. I don't really hate Americans, only obese people.)

    5. Re:It does work like that sometimes, though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some went to such effort as to even build mock-ups of the other stuff they saw there, such as "radios" with "headphones" made out of coconuts. I think you're getting that mixed up with "Gilligan's Island".
  36. They need our help now! by edfardos · · Score: 0

    what they really need are diseases, taxes, weapons, bureaucracy, building permits, zoning laws, religion, and gay marriage. I staggers the imagination that they've survived this long without it! can these by dropped by helicopter? --edfardos

  37. Earth Tribe by owlman17 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Previously uncontacted planet photographed"

    Reading the article made me think if in the grand scheme of things, are we are the equivalent of these people to sufficiently advanced alien civilizations? "Spears against helicopters" might as well me like one of our Raptors going up against alien recon craft. Like this tribe, we'll probably think they're hostile (our literature, films are filled with alien war themes) but for all we know, they aren't really. It would probably be hubris to think something that advanced would go out of their way to invade us. (Like sending modern marines with automatic weapons against spear-wielding people, in terms of scale.)

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    1. Re:Earth Tribe by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Informative

      It would probably be hubris to think something that advanced would go out of their way to invade us.

      Why would that be hubris? It's not exactly unpredecented for an advanced power to displace a less advanced one.

      Invade is probably the wrong word though. Nature is full of examples of more adaptable/aggressive/advanced life forms pushing out less adaptable/aggressive/advanced ones. That's the most likely explanation for the disappearance of the Neanderthals -- displaced by more aggressive/adaptable Cro-Magnons. Homo Sapiens have done it to each other too (see the aforementioned link). It's not even unique behavior of ours either. Other animals do the exact same thing (try being a red squirrel and having to compete with gray squirrels).

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    2. Re:Earth Tribe by owlman17 · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know what you mean. We're a lot more advanced culturally, not just technologically - I think mature is the word - than our 15th-16th century counterparts. I just don't see ourselves raining bullets and missiles on these tribes anytime soon. (At least not on purpose.) Its probably because we have no motivation to displace these people, even though we are stronger. Our 16th century counterparts had lands to conquer, riches to get. What I'm saying is, we have next to nothing to gain by plundering these tribes, which brought me to say why hypothetically, a far more advanced alien civilization will probably view us the same way. (Unless of course I missed something there, like they plan to mine our planet to death for resources we haven't discovered yet, or haven't any use yet.)

    3. Re:Earth Tribe by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know what you mean. We're a lot more advanced culturally, not just technologically - I think mature is the word - than our 15th-16th century counterparts.

      I'd dispute that. We are more mature than our 15th-16th century counterparts because we have the luxury of being more mature. If you took a population of modern mature humans and placed their backs against a wall somehow I suspect you'd see just how quickly we could revert back to our aggressive roots.

      Hell, if I'm being a real pessimist I could probably make the argument that we really haven't matured any at all. It was a little over sixty years ago that several nations teamed up in an effort to try and conquer their way into great power status. If anything I'd give more credit for keeping the (relative) peace since then to nuclear weapons more than I'd give to any spiritual awakening of humanity. Nuclear weapons made warfare to risky to wage -- there's just too much to lose when your enemy can kill hundreds of millions of your own people in just a few hours.

      a far more advanced alien civilization will probably view us the same way. (Unless of course I missed something there, like they plan to mine our planet to death for resources we haven't discovered yet, or haven't any use yet.)

      Maybe they just need more living space?

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    4. Re:Earth Tribe by TheBig1 · · Score: 1

      Like sending modern marines with automatic weapons against spear-wielding people, in terms of scale.

      Hey, it worked for the Ewoks!

    5. Re:Earth Tribe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA, the culturally advanced group is currently cutting their forest down.

    6. Re:Earth Tribe by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Bear skins and stone knives?

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  38. Re:Indians? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's already over a brazilian people in India.

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  39. Arrogance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I heartily agree. We should keep these tribes entirely ignorant of the outside world until such a time as gold prospectors and loggers come to kill them. Afterwards we should bemoan the fact that they were helpless and unprotected from disease and exploitation.

    The amount of sheer arrogance in the article is amazing. Who are we to decide to permanently isolate these people and leave them so vulnerable? These are creatures at a zoo living their primitive lives for our amusement and study.. they are people who deserve the right to decide their own fate and be offered the tools to surivive once civilization inevitably arrives.

    1. Re:Arrogance by Xest · · Score: 1

      I don't really see how they're so vulnerable when they've quite clearly survived the last god knows how many thousands of years without the rest of us okay.

      The problem is by giving them the choice you've already changed things for them and aren't really giving them a balanced choice. The very fact you've contacted them and taught them how to understand you due to language differences means you've already changed them a step towards your way of life.

    2. Re:Arrogance by socode · · Score: 1

      You are assuming that if they are informed about the modern world, and then in the large then chose to integrate into it, it indicates an asymmetry - "aren't giving them a balanced choice".

      You already know how your ancestors lived, and choose not to live as they did. Yet you're still happy to make a different choice for other people. Hypocrite.

  40. In one year.... by 605dave · · Score: 1

    Apple announces new iPhone agreement with remote Amazonian tribe.

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    1. Re:In one year.... by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      Also, Jeff Probst was seen recently booking his travel to Brazil to check the place out for another Survivor Amazon series!

  41. Wasn't there A Story about this back in the 80's? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About a lost tribe in the Amazon, covered by National Geographic
    later to find out they ended up being a bunch of locals who were hired to portray as an isolated non-contacted tribe? Essentially a hoax?

  42. Reality Check by mpapet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The way these things generally work is the term "uncontacted" is used to generate readership rather than reflect reality.

    The more accurate phrase is minmal contact. Please remember, they share a forest with other tribes. There's interaction of all kinds.

    In this case, geography minimized contact with the industrialized world. Those "uncontacted" tribes probably have at least one person that's gone all the way to the big city wherever it is thought to be.

    Also note they are being pushed out by deforestation efforts, so you bet they've been on the wrong side of weapons and dealt with the industrialized world.

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    1. Re:Reality Check by argent · · Score: 1
      I was wondering about that myself. When was the last genuine uncontacted tribe found? Have there been any since the Tasaday hoax?

      The Wikipedia entry seems more honest:

      Recent usage favors the term "isolated" rather than "uncontacted" as few peoples have remained totally uncontacted by modern civilization, but a number have chosen to make contact either exceedingly difficult or dangerous. Many indigenous rights activists call for such groups to be left alone in respect of their right to self-determination.
  43. That is my take as well. by maillemaker · · Score: 1

    I don't see why such isolated people are considered as something to protect.

    These people are literally still in the stone ages, and some "enlightened" folks want to keep them that way. I don't understand this mentality. If we discovered these kinds of people living in the United States, we'd be clamoring for them to get educated and make something of themselves.

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    1. Re:That is my take as well. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      If we discovered these kinds of people living in the United States, we'd be clamoring for them to get educated and make something of themselves.

      we'd be clamoring for them to get educated and run casinos.

      There, fixed that for you ;)

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  44. one percent annual warfare death rate by peter303 · · Score: 1

    I heard anthropologist try to establish that "normal" tribal war-death rate was a fairly constant number over much of the world, and in psuedo-tribal situations like inner city gangs.

    I've heard that this rate has generally decreased in the modern era. Its different when have large organizations like nation-states and technical weapons. Although side effects like starvation and disease jack up deaths. The US has never had a sustained one percent death rate - imaging if three million every year were dying in formal war or terrorism. Maybe a few, inquent "big ones" could occur to bring society to its long-term average.

  45. Consumerism by moankey · · Score: 1

    We need to drop tools, internet, entertainment, etc... to civilize them thats more consumers for the big corps.
    Err, I mean for the betterment of mankind.

  46. not any more, they don't. by hawk · · Score: 1

    It's now unnecessary--

    the camera already stole their souls, and they don't need the internet to do that . . .

    hawk

  47. Daring Fireball's Take by jamrock · · Score: 1

    "Someone needs to let these people know about the upcoming new iPhone." -John Gruber

  48. so much for the noble savage by nguy · · Score: 1

    These people see a big flying thing in the sky, and what's the first thing they do? They shoot at it. So, they can't hurt the helicopter, but they don't know that and their aggressive intent is clear.

    The point is that the notion that we somehow lost our innocence from those earlier, simpler times is wrong. The societies that we used to inhabit were savage and aggressive, and for all our faults, we at least try to do better these days.

    1. Re:so much for the noble savage by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      Go fly a helicopter low over any American city and wait for it to be shot at ....

      They have learnt that anything new is potentially dangerous and the best way of stopping it harming them is to act aggressively to scare it off (paint your self red, shout, wave your arms, and throw spears at it) ... and look it worked

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  49. Ummm.... by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    "these tribes have no immunity to a number of otherwise mild diseases, so contact often leads to deaths (smallpox, flu, etc)."
    1. Smallpox isn't mild.
    2. Smallpox kills a big percentage of whoever gets it.
    3. Smallpox only exists in two labs. Our evil technology has made it extinct in the wild... Thank goodness.

    I think you probably mean chickenpox.

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    1. Re:Ummm.... by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

      Gah, yes - chicken pox. Thanks! :)

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    2. Re:Ummm.... by onepoint · · Score: 1

      Smallpox is almost gone but it keep on showing up here and thier. just a quick googl search
      smallbox outbreaks in brazil http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/95/4/363

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    3. Re:Ummm.... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Smallpox is almost gone but it keep on showing up here and thier. just a quick googl search

      You realize that link you provided is citing an outbreak that happened in 1969 right? That was thirty nine years ago for those who are bad at math -- the second to last time that the Mets fielded a winning team and the year that we first landed on the Moon.

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  50. the unforgiving God thingy by nguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can you imagine how annoyed the Christian God would be if you shot arrows at him? I mean, he even gets pissed if you don't kill your son when he orders you to.

    I don't imagine any of the helicopter crew were particularly annoyed at being shot at.

    Isn't it kind of odd that we're more forgiving than our deities?

    1. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, all the kind, merciful deities have had thier followers wiped out by the followers of the vengeful, violent deities.

    2. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine how annoyed the Christian God would be if you shot arrows at him? I mean, he even gets pissed if you don't kill your son when he orders you to.

      If you wish to hate Christians, at least have a valid reason.

      I am guessing, but you seem to be referring to the story of Abraham going to sacrifice Isaac on the the mountain. There is no wrath at all in the story. God simply orders Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, so Abraham believing that God is good and will raise his son from the ashes. When Abraham has Isaac tied up and is ready to sacrifice him and angel stops him. The entire story is a test of Abraham's faith.

      As I said before, if you wish to hate Christians, go ahead. But have a valid reason. You can think that God testing Abraham's faith in such a way was cruel or some other reason. But, what you said above just reeks of ignorance.

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    3. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Even if that weren't the case, don't Christians believe that all the Old Testament stuff (some of which is quite strange IIRC) is, uh, "deprecated" anyway?

      So it's more likely that only the Jewish God would fry your ass with a thunderbolt, the Christian God would smile lovingly and say "ah, my poor misguided child", or was that Jesus, or Buddha.... ah, I'm not sure what I'm talking about now, dammit.

      (At which point God strikes down Dogtanian with great vengeance for saying "damn" and points out that the Jews were right, and that he didn't authorise that sequel at all).)

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    4. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus fucking christ.

      If you wish to hate a joke, at least have a valid reason.

      Btw my almighty god doesn't need to "test" me by asking me to murder anyone.
      He's smarter than that. NAH NA.

    5. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Can you imagine how annoyed the Christian God would be if you shot arrows at him? I mean, he even gets pissed if you don't kill your son when he orders you to.

      I don't imagine any of the helicopter crew were particularly annoyed at being shot at.

      Isn't it kind of odd that we're more forgiving than our deities? I like the interpretation that says Abraham was testing God, not the other way around.

      If you remember, God stopped Abraham from actually killing Isaac. No just deity would have required the killing of an innocent, so if God had not stopped him, Abraham would have known He was Bogus.

      PS, he's not just the Christian God - muslims and jews also believe that story about Abraham and Isaac.
    6. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by FroMan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Even if that weren't the case, don't Christians believe that all the Old Testament stuff (some of which is quite strange IIRC) is, uh, "deprecated" anyway?

      Most Christians see the levitical law as "deprecated" as Christ fulfilled the role of the sacrifice and atonement for sin. Some of the odder laws actually have a bit of reason behind them that isn't apparent at first. Such as, do not boil a kid in it's mother's milk as something some of the other tribes in the area were doing. Others, we can only speculate at the reason.

      But the law is really only a small portion of the old testament. The Bible shows many facets of God. A lot of folks think the old testament is all fire and brimstone, but that is far from an accurate description.

      Take the book of the Hosea for instance. Hosea is told to marry a harlot (whore) which he does and is told to love her. Well, over time his wife fools around with other men and is all along unfaithful. Well, through this seemingly un-Godly thing that God commands Hosea, he teaches Israel that they are being unfaithful towards God. As Hosea tries to claim his wife back time after time, it shows that God chases after Israel time after time. This would hardly be said to be "deprecated" as it is showing a facet of God.

      There is a large portion of the old testament that is also historical. These parts also would not be considered "deprecated" just as we do not toss history books simply because they are old (well, assuming we are not being revisionists in the public school system).

      There is the wisdom literature, such as Ecclesiastes and Proverbs, which is still relevant for today. Everyone who has heard the song "To Everything There Is a Season" knows that. ;-)

      So, no, Christians in general do not believe the old testament is "deprecated" by any means. Simply some parts have been fulfilled by Christ.

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    7. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by wombert · · Score: 1

      No just deity would have required the killing of an innocent

      ...unless it's a crucifixion. Those are still cool.

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    8. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by Niten · · Score: 1

      Whoa, lighten up there. He said absolutely nothing that could remotely translate to "I hate Christians"; it was merely a (entirely fair, I think) critique of the Abrahamic religions.

      You're putting words in his mouth. Quit with the psychological projection.

    9. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      ...unless it's a crucifixion. Those are still cool. If you are Xian then that's more like suicide (c.f. all that trinity business).

      If you aren't Xian, then you don't believe God required it anyhow.
    10. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by F1re · · Score: 1

      Where do you get the idea that Abe thinks God will raise his son from the ashes?

      When I was a kid I thought God was testing Abe in a different way - I thought that God was testing if Abe would stand firm and not do something he knew was wrong. I was horrified when I learned the truth. What an asshole god.

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    11. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by dwater · · Score: 1

      ...and there's Song of Solomon, of course; always relevant in today's world.

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    12. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by dwater · · Score: 1

      Actually, I don't think *God* needed to test Abraham for God's benefit. God is already knew what Abraham would do. *My* theory is that it is to Abraham's benefit; but I'm no scholar and find these things often quite confusing and even contradictory at times.

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    13. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by nguy · · Score: 1

      God simply orders Abraham to sacrifice Isaac,

      Yes, and Abraham complies. What do you think would have happened if he hadn't? All love and smiles and forgiveness?

      If you wish to hate Christians, at least have a valid reason.

      Oh, you poor, persecuted Christians. Get real. For nearly 2000 years, Christians have been persecuting, destroying, and killing others.

      No, I don't "hate" you, I hate your sin. And you do have a choice: abandon that evil.

    14. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Yes, and Abraham complies. What do you think would have happened if he hadn't? All love and smiles and forgiveness?

      Well, for one, we likely would have been hearing about some other fellow instead of Abraham in Genesis. You are attributing actions to God which you and I do not know what would have happened though.

      Oh, you poor, persecuted Christians. Get real. For nearly 2000 years, Christians have been persecuting, destroying, and killing others.

      Closer to 1700, and it really depends on your location. Up until Constantine Christians were persecuted themselves. And while there are a few low points within Church history, not all has been persecution. But it sounds much more dramatic that way, I know.

      No, I don't "hate" you, I hate your sin. And you do have a choice: abandon that evil.

      "Listen to my gospel, I have the answers, turn from your evil." Gonna sell me a little plastic Dawkins with that?

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    15. Re:the unforgiving God thingy by nguy · · Score: 1

      And while there are a few low points within Church history, not all has been persecution. But it sounds much more dramatic that way, I know.

      The destruction of hundreds of indigenous cultures and religions alone is a crime against humanity unparalleled in history, even if we disregard the wars, execution, and torture that the Christian churches have been responsible for.

      "Listen to my gospel, I have the answers, turn from your evil." Gonna sell me a little plastic Dawkins with that?

      Look, it's you who accused people who criticize your religion as "hating" you. I'm just illustrating the difference between disapproving of your moral and ethical choices and hating you as a person in terms that you understand and in terms that people like you apply to others.

      In fact, I agree with the Pope in his condemnation of moral relativism. There is, in fact, a set of absolute moral principles; the problem is that Christianity (and some other religions) are violating those principles.

      Your reference to Dawkins suggests that you believe that the only two choices are materialist atheism and Christianity. In fact, there are many other religious and spiritual choices you have; you simply have made a bad choice among the alternatives.

  51. Arrogance? My ass by SamP2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes your child could have been saved with just a few pills but we didn't want to contaminate you.

    Yes, as opposed to million of African children who die of malaria every year despite the fact that the aforementioned few pills could have easily saved them?

    Yes you could see what some of the lights in the sky really do look like.

    Yes, as opposed to the 95% percent of world population that will never see anything except the dirt they are digging or the nike shoes going past them in the assembly line? Forget about luxuries like university education, even things like books and the fucking internet is out of reach for most of the world's people.

    You could meet people from far across the sea and you two could fly through the air.

    Yes, as opposed to the millions of refugees who can't leave their war-striken country because nobody will give them a visa? Forget the plane or ship, they can't even leave on foot!

    But we don't want to contaminate you.

    I see your point, but by suggesting that we have some enlightened duty to help those "stone age" people, you are in fact using the same preferential treatment you are accusing others to have against them. There are hundreds of millions of poor, illiterate, disease-striken people in the world, who would GLADLY accept our help. Hell, there are many poor, illiterate, disease-striken people in our own fucking country. Help THEM out before you boldly take your morals to where no man has gone before.

    1. Re:Arrogance? My ass by LWATCDR · · Score: 0, Troll

      "Help THEM out before you boldly take your morals to where no man has gone before."
      Except they are men and women.

      They really are just like us.
      As to the rest of you statements. Yep things in some places really do suck. Those also need to be fixed.
      As I have said time and time again. I would like to seem them offered a choice and that choice be respected.

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    2. Re:Arrogance? My ass by rastilin · · Score: 1

      If things are that bad where you live then I really feel for you, here we have an illiteracy rate of nearly 0%, and something like 3% unemployment.

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    3. Re:Arrogance? My ass by indi0144 · · Score: 0

      They don't need a choice. Arrogance is the word here. They just need to be alone. you're looking at living in that conditions as something bad because you wouldn't stand there for more than a week: You're hungry?.. go hunt... You're sick? go find the precise plant between thousands of possible poisonous plants. They don't need to be like you, (as much as I love tech) they don't need technology. I think that the mind set up of Americans to think that every part of the world should be like America it mere Arrogance.

      Sorry As as parent posted, You have your own "uncontacted tribes" talk about drug dependency or alcoholism (People that need to be reintegrated into society).. just the fact that every kilo of coke you snort magically transforms into 5 Ak47's around here, and you know, you can kill a lot of people with them. OTOH If these indians go and hunt a puma, or paint their ass red, you will not be missing nothing, nobody gets hurt in America. Please learn to let the world go with their own flow. Thanks :)

    4. Re:Arrogance? My ass by LWATCDR · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well I have never snorted any coke in my life.
      And that lovely myth of finding some magical plant... What is there average life span? 30? 40? maybe 45 years?
      Thanks but I will keep my modern technology.
      What you don't get is that I think they should be given a choice and not locked in some preserve.

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  52. or maybe not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not forget that these people represent a kind of norm. This biological form that we take right now more or less developed during the long Stone Age

    We don't really know, actually. There were civilizations and government even during the late stone age.

    And human evolution can be surprisingly fast; I think if you tried to go back to that lifestyle, you'd find that you're probably lacking some important genes for disease, starvation, and poison resistance.

  53. The Lost Dot Com Developers by sycodon · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's actually a bunch of San Francisco developers that moved their facilities during the dot.bust.

    You can clearly see that one is wearing Nikes and the other is wearing Birkenstocks.

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  54. So ... by black_lbi · · Score: 1

    I guess for them the aliens are already here ... they have yet to land.

  55. Natives Attacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard another incident once where the natives wanted to down a plane with their spears to steal the propellers, which would make good cutting tools (at least they would be better than their sharp rocks). But when they got close to the plane and saw the weird looking people in it they got scared and ran off.

  56. Redskins by Billkamm · · Score: 1

    I guess these "Indians" LITERALLY are redskins

  57. Such tiny photos by heroine · · Score: 1

    Such a disappointment that the photo releases are so tiny.

  58. Re:Indians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's already over a brazilian people in India. My girlfriend looks great in a brazillian!
  59. The most important part of those pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The one painted black has boobies!

  60. Re:Arrogance. (how apt.) by RomulusNR · · Score: 1

    Why don't you say that to... well, every native peoples who have ever met the egotistically technological westerner.

    Yeah sure, maybe they could use your malaria pills, but they could probably live without your AIDS, MRSA, H5N1. They could probably live without your poison-spewing gasoline engines, your brain-toasting electricity, your cancer-causing RF, and -- more to the relevant point -- your forest-leveling logging industry.

    These tribes make a point to say "no" to the industrialized world and turn inwards in order to stay away from it. They specifically want to live in their traditional way. That is why they don't make an effort to make contact with the outsiders. They (vainly) hope that if they keep to themselves, the industrialists will too. (Which happens... not so much.)

    You should RTFA: ...[U]ncontacted groups in the region, whose homes have been photographed from the air, are in severe danger from illegal logging in Peru. Logging is driving uncontacted tribes over the border and could lead to conflict with the estimated five hundred uncontacted Indians already living on the Brazilian side.

    'What is happening in this region [of Peru] is a monumental crime against the natural world, the tribes, the fauna and is further testimony to the complete irrationality with which we, the 'civilised' ones, treat the world,' said Meirelles.


    The (insert name of non-renewable resource here) companies are not going to offer uncontacted tribes' (such as these) members paying jobs in the (name of processed product)-making industry or give them access to cars and doctors and science books. They are going to cut down the forests they depend on to live, and raze their savage primitive huts.

    (I proudly give to SI.)

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  61. No by hassanchop · · Score: 1

    Smallpox is almost gone but it keep on showing up here and thier.


    No. It has essentially been eradicated in the wild. THIRTY years ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Eradication

    "The last cases of smallpox in the world occurred in an outbreak of two cases (one of which was fatal) in Birmingham, England in 1978. A medical photographer, Janet Parker, died from the disease on 11 September 1978"

    Now if you have a link that demonstrates a more recent case (which is possible as I'm no expert) then I'd love to see it.

    1. Re:No by onepoint · · Score: 1

      I was talking about brazil, the last case that I know of was about 1980, but it's a jungle ( and rather big ), and whom knows if it's still around.

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    2. Re:No by Ardaen · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be funny (in a horrible horrible way) if one of those tribes carried some variant of a disease like smallpox still, and contacting them released a plague upon our highly interconnected modern world?

    3. Re:No by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      that would be hilarious. on so many levels.

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    4. Re:No by lgw · · Score: 1

      Really nasty diseases require domesticated livestock to evolve: normally, the nasty bugs just burn themselves out, but a bug that's quite fatal to humans can be a small change from one that is common (and not fatal) to pigs or chickens.

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  62. You could warn them, if only you spoke Hovitos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Once you have her, remove the fetus and have your dark skinned pal make some hand gestures to indicate that the baby would live "up there" (point up to the sky etc)."

    Once again we see there is nothing you can posess which I cannot take away.

  63. Brutal life? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    There are many places in the "civilized" world that are like that.

    Also it is a very well documented fact that these tribes accumulate a vast knowledge about medicinal plants that covers most of their needs.

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  64. Re:Arrogance. (how apt.) by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    "your brain-toasting electricity, your cancer-causing RF, and -- more to the relevant point -- your forest-leveling logging industry."
    If you think electricity roasts your brain and rf causes cancer why are you posting on Slashdot? Unless you have a difference engine using TCP/IP over carrier pigeon you have exposed yourself to those "dangers".
    You think nature is safe and pretty. Then as Erwin said, "Sharks are natural, go hug one".

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  65. Egotistical by Chapter80 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So why is it that we assume that THEY are the previously uncontacted ones? Aren't WE equally previously uncontacted, by them? They never called, they never wrote, they never flew over me with a helicopter.

    1. Re:Egotistical by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Uh, that's not ethnocentrism. It's just that there are over six billion of "us" (the group who are all in contact with each other), and considerably fewer than six billion of them.

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    2. Re:Egotistical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      considerably fewer than six billion of them

      That we know of.

    3. Re:Egotistical by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you sure? I'd bet quite a few helicopters have flown over you in the past. How can you be sure that one of them wasn't being flown by an Amazon tribe?

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    4. Re:Egotistical by bogjobber · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you serious? Taking cultural relativism to a new height, eh?

      They are uncontacted because they (this is really the key, so pay attention) have been not contacted by outside civilizations. There is at maximum maybe a couple thousand of them (sorry if the number is wrong), living in self-imposed isolation. There are over six billion of us, and we travel all around the world contacting each other constantly.

    5. Re:Egotistical by Chapter80 · · Score: 1
      Yeah, and they are contacting each other constantly. So? They are one group, we are another. They happen to be smaller. They choose isolation.

      Since we don't choose isolation, and are open to them visiting us, it seems that WE are the ones that have not been contacted by them! Pretty simple.

      Besides, your assumption is that we are one big group, when in fact, there are tens of thousands of groups that will NEVER be in contact with me, ever. It's just our ego that makes us the center of the universe, and anyone we haven't contacted is "uncontacted". I'd say they are in REGULAR contact with everyone that they WANT to be in contact with. We just aren't among those that they want to be in contact with.

      But don't let your feelings be hurt!

    6. Re:Egotistical by edgemont1 · · Score: 1

      I agree there is an assumption that we have not contacted them. I think they probably know about the outside world by talking with other tribes. They do not want contact with the outside world. Who can blame them really. I think Brazil is right to try and protect them but I noticed that none of the news article mentions another issue that is a cause for cutting down forest and making roads. It's called Oil... American companies have realized that there is Oil, black gold texas tea in that there Jungle. They mention logging but I wonder if the real reason for the logging and road building is to pave the way for oil companies to drill for oil. It's happened in Peru, Ecaudor and other south american locations.

    7. Re:Egotistical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Woah. And am I really inside... or is it that the rest of the universe is inside and I'm the only one outside...

      Seriously, put the bong down.

  66. Ok then by hassanchop · · Score: 1

    As others have previously said, your link lists something that happened decades ago. Even taking your statement at face value, 1980 belies the statement that "it keep on showing up here and thier" unless by "here and there" you meant "three decades ago."

    It's gone man. It doesn't show up "here or there".

    1. Re:Ok then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, and undiscovered people don't exist. it's somewhere, just waiting

  67. Google Maps link? by cyclobotomy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Has anyone been able to find the hut in Google Maps?

    1. Re:Google Maps link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are the mods insane?

    2. Re:Google Maps link? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are the mods insane? apparently
  68. OCP by king-manic · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Outside Context Problem:

    An Outside Context Problem was the sort of thing most civilisations would encounter just once, and which they tended to encounter rather in the same way a sentence encountered a full stop . . . Iain M Banks
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  69. Re:Indians? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    There's already over a brazilian people in India. That's brazillion, or braza-people (as opposed to "brabi", which would be the binary variant.)
    Learn your SI prefixes, dammit!
  70. A bit...sad reaction? by sznupi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First thing they do when they see something they don't understand? Attack.
    Even though their survival depends solely on our good will.

    Somehow I find this to be symptomatic of whole humanity. And I don't doubt even for a second that we, supposedly "civilised" people, would do the same in similar situation...

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    1. Re:A bit...sad reaction? by Plutonite · · Score: 1

      Human survival depends, among many things, on curiosity(ensures specimens who have it will be able to learn new things and adapt to changes) and fear of the unknown. What you don't know may be harmless, but if it shares characteristics with your predators /harmful beings, it is best to play safe and treat it as "dangerous". Huge winged thingies that have the energy to make loud sounds and are seemingly interested in you (or your territory) could be "dangerous". Warn, attack, flee..

      We are likely to be more interested/curious than those guys if we, in our current state, were faced with something similar, but that is because our advance in civilization and self reflection has given us theories where other beings may wish to communicate with us. Our intellect has matured a little and governed our instinct. We are enlightened. Be happy.

    2. Re:A bit...sad reaction? by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Very good points...but I still hope that our nukes in any hypothetical situation will be the equivalent of arrows in TFA...

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  71. Aboriginal Department of Defense in action: by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2, Funny
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  72. hmmm by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

    I wonder if I can get the territory for a new Starbucks?

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    1. Re:hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A.) Parent is not a troll. Mods on crack again.
      B.) You're too late. Franchising sucks. Number Twenty Four got there first. http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=568875&cid=23601883

  73. Um... wait... by wcrowe · · Score: 2, Funny

    If they're uncontacted, then how do we know they're uncontacted? I mean, unless you ask them whether they've interacted with a modern person before, how can you be absolutely sure they haven't?

    Besides, one of the guys in the picture looks like he's wearing chucks.

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  74. Important question by Sta7ic · · Score: 1

    So, a tribe of aboriginals out in the Amazon.

    Inquiring minds want to know, what kind of booze do they have?

  75. Aaaaaand cue... by drik00 · · Score: 1

    Cue the bleeding hearts that can't wait to set up an Internet connected kiosk in the village.

    Really, though, whoever tagged this story "primedirective" I'd like to shake their hand. Even in their skewed Trekkie view, they're right... Imagine if we were an "uncontacted tribe" that some more advanced civilization sent the equivalent of a helicopter to photograph us... there would be all sorts of incredulous stories floating around and I'm sure our government would be trying to assuade our fears and tell us there is nothing to be concerned about... ooh... wait a minute...

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    1. Re:Aaaaaand cue... by hiruhl · · Score: 1

      Cue the bleeding hearts that can't wait to set up an Internet connected kiosk in the village. Well, someone should let them know they're famous on the interwebs.
  76. Fundamental Human Rights by Rovaedne · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Don't these uncontacted tribes have some basic human rights? I think it is barbaric to just leave them unaware without telling them about the rest of the world. From there they can decide to isolate themselves or participate.

    I know if I were unfortunate enough to be born to some random uncontacted tribe that I would hope someone would show up and tell me about the rest of the world.

    If we treat other humans this way it is reasonable to assume aliens would treat us the same way. Just some cultural and social experiment to be watched until further notice.

  77. Oh, it's perfectly rational all right by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, it's perfectly rational all right, except don't think they actually understood what the aircraft was or what the pilots were. Almost invariably this was not some enterprising souls anchored in a skeptical view of the world, but actual _cults_. They _prayed_ to those aircraft. Even when they realized there's someone piloting it (e.g., as in the ghost steamer cult of Papua), they imagined ancestor spirits, or gods, or bird spirits, coming in them to deliver those goods.

    (And if you want something even funnier, at least one Sioux tribe eventually came to believe that at the end of days, when the ancestors' spirits come back, they'll come by train.)

    Now I'm still saying that it's perfectly rational, for someone whose whole life and explanation of the universe is firmly rooted in spirituality and belief in supernatural spirits. The Europeans would have probably done the same if an airplane showed up, as late as the middle ages.

    But at the end of the day, yes, it is rational behaviour and _human_ behaviour. If you saw a guy making a lightsaber out of 5 leds, a lens, and 4 D bateries, you'd try to do the same even if just for curiosity sake. If you don't understand how, you experiment a bit. These guys essentially did the same. They tried to replicate something which obviously worked for the Americans and Japanese. So I'm not trying to paint them as dumb or anything. I'm sure they were perfectly intelligent humans, same as everyone else.

    But at the same time I _am_ saying that their explanations _were_ indeed religious. They used the framework they already had for understanding the world, and that was one of religion, magic, supernatural forces, and mighty spirits. They fit those airplanes and airfields in that framework. Because they had no other framework available.

    So I wouldn't be too surprised if these guys in the Amazon did the same. Again, I'm not painting them as dumb, nor looking down upon them. But I do expect them to do what so many other tribes did: see it as some supernatural event.

    That's really all.

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    1. Re:Oh, it's perfectly rational all right by dwater · · Score: 1

      > The Europeans would have probably done the same if an airplane showed up, as late as the middle ages ..and Americans too, btw.

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  78. Arrogance. by 123beer · · Score: 1

    Think about going in the other direction. They may have four just as compelling (to them) reasons that you should leave your life that you understand, and be fully integrated into *their* society. Of course, that would be extremely painful and confusing for you since you don't understand their culture or how to survive within their system.

    In the same way, they are living a life that they understand and very likely find fulfilling/comfortable. There's no reason to assume they would like to change it to be more like ours.

    Further, right now they have everything they need (their numbers are growing) and they certainly see themselves as 'doing well materially.' However, once they begin to participate in our society, they have nothing; people whose only possessions are primitive tools and huts have nothing by our standards.

    Finally, our civilization (ie everyone other than these uncontacted tribes) is so integrated and all-encompassing, that explaining it to them effectively makes them a part of it. One minute they are a tribe that is successful by their own standards, the next they are poor brazillians with nothing but some primitive technology and no real-world skills.

  79. What the story doesn't tell you... by chuckcolby · · Score: 1

    Within a week the tribe fired more arrows at a Google Street View van caught driving through their village.

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  80. It just shows... by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 1

    You can't protect your soul from bring stolen by the paparazzi, even in the deepest, darkest regions of the Amazon!

    In the meanwhile, do you suppose Jeff Bezos has something to do with this logging stuff? (All those books have to be getting paper from somewhere...) Kinda gives new meaning to the Amazon.com name.

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  81. These guys will have the last laugh. by mungmaster2000 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    They know how to live without technology, which is more than one can say about the rest of us. They'll bury us.

  82. Caught them in the act by professorfalcon · · Score: 1

    They're just 12th-level geocachers.

  83. Google? by professorfalcon · · Score: 1

    Was this photo for Google Jungle Views?

  84. nah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they're probably just actors, in the middle of filming the next mel gibson movie

  85. Uncontacted tribe... by jadin · · Score: 1

    Would be Schrödinger's tribe... In order to find out if they are uncontacted, you have to contact them.

  86. Google Earth by Nexxpert · · Score: 1

    Any chance you could find this settlement on Google Earth?

  87. Hoax by Ironpoint · · Score: 1


    This hoax was already pulled off several years ago. Same type of picture of supposed natives shooting arrows at a helicopter made the rounds. Looks like its coming back around again.

  88. They were yelling... by jagdish · · Score: 1

    "You are now condemned to death by Snu Snu."

  89. Fascinating topic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A couple of years ago, I watched a documentary on the first contact of the "korubo" tribe. At the time, they were apparently the "last unknown tribe contacted in the Amazon".

    It's fascinating, and my wife and children still remember it vividly. Highly recommended.

  90. Re: uncontacted by neonsignal · · Score: 1

    maybe they just haven't been contacted before by people who think that digital watches are a neat idea...

  91. Linked Photo is like 16x16 pixels... Hoax! by skeptictank · · Score: 1

    I have yet to see a photo that was large enough to tell much detail. The buildings in the picture look like they have been abandoned for a season or two to me. As usual, I am skeptical.

  92. Re:Arrogance. (how apt.) by LordAlced · · Score: 1
    Uh, dude, electricity roasts your brain (and pretty much everything else) just poke a metal object into an electric outlet. =D

    You accuse people who wish to have these tribes remain isolated of arrogance. But aren't you being arrogant yourself in assuming that the Western way of life is superior. Listen, if it weren't for a few meddling "explorers" in the so-called Age of Discovery, the developing world wouldn't be as fucked up as it is now. Name me a former European colony and I can easily tell you that it's a developing nation.

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  93. Re:Arrogance. (how apt.) by Gingernads · · Score: 1

    Australia? USA? Canada? Hong Kong?

    OK, apart from the second one, I wouldn't say any of these meet the classic definition of a developing nation.

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  94. Re:Arrogance. (how apt.) by LordAlced · · Score: 1
    I should have qualified that with former European colony ruled by the native population.

    Which ethnic group rules those examples you've given? Of course, those descended from European stock. If it were the natives I bet they would be torn apart by civil war, endemic diseases, massive food shortages, and/or massively corrupt governments.

    And, by the way, the original ethnic groups in those places (ie those who were there before the evil white man came), except Hong Kong, have received the short ends of whatever sticks were handed to them.

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  95. They will not be harmed by civilisation by dfunked · · Score: 1

    Just disable "Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought" for them.

  96. Send in Asimo by OtherFarm · · Score: 1

    This is an excellent opportunity: What would happen if, instead of people (researchers), we send in Asimo... How would they react?

  97. Red paint might be next season's big fashion. by bunytu · · Score: 1

    Hey, why is everybody so sure that we, internet using ethnic group, are going to influence them, rather than they influence us? Just look at all the time we spend discussing this. Red paint might be next season's big fashion.

  98. Re:Arrogance. (how apt.) by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    "You accuse people who wish to have these tribes remain isolated of arrogance. But aren't you being arrogant yourself in assuming that the Western way of life is superior."
    Yep I think that knowledge is better than ignorance. I think keeping people in a persevere like you would keep a rare fern or bird is arrogance. And I think giving people a choice is a good thing.
    Other groups have chosen to not adopt all the trappings of modern society. The Amish come to mind.

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  99. All lies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are not fake pics. But that tribe had been know for years.