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warezing is a crime in australia and many country's so this sounds supported there. The article says "Griffiths Australian lawyers are fighting the move, stating that he has never set foot in the United States and has committed no crime under Australian law" but to me thats lawyer defense standard sputtering as it IS illegal in australia.

Their lawyers are using simple SCO tactics like "our IP is in their product" they can say it but it does not make it true.

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warezing is a crime in australia and many country's so this sounds supported there. The article says "Griffiths Australian lawyers are fighting the move, stating that he has never set foot in the United States and has committed no crime under Australian law" but to me thats lawyer defense standard sputtering as it IS illegal in australia.

Their lawyers are using simple SCO tactics like "our IP is in their product" they can say it but it does not make it true.

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warezing is a crime in australia and many country's so this sounds supported there. The article says "Griffiths Australian lawyers are fighting the move, stating that he has never set foot in the United States and has committed no crime under Australian law" but to me thats lawyer defense standard sputtering as it IS illegal in australia.

Their lawyers are using simple SCO tactics like "our IP is in their product" they can say it but it does not make it true.

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warezing is a crime in australia and many country's so this sounds supported there. The article says "Griffiths Australian lawyers are fighting the move, stating that he has never set foot in the United States and has committed no crime under Australian law" but to me thats lawyer defense standard sputtering as it IS illegal in australia.

Their lawyers are using simple SCO tactics like "our IP is in their product" they can say it but it does not make it true.

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warezing is a crime in australia and many country's so this sounds supported there. The article says "Griffiths Australian lawyers are fighting the move, stating that he has never set foot in the United States and has committed no crime under Australian law" but to me thats lawyer defense standard sputtering as it IS illegal in australia.

Their lawyers are using simple SCO tactics like "our IP is in their product" they can say it but it does not make it true.

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Talk on the boards is that the breaches are due to SCO not revealing the entire story regarding their claimed 'ownership' of UNIX SysV. Notice SCO now states that UNIX is a registered trademark of The Open Group.

In any case, looks like you live by the sword you die by the sword. It was after all Darl who stated "Contracts are what you use against parties you have relationships with". None of this using contracts to clarify just what each other's purposes are, and being a record of an agreement, they're to be used as weapons. SCO's breaches are what will come bite them on the ass, and nothing will save them with a contract that they can't hide way back in the muddying of time. $20million worth of redeemed stock is $20million SCO can't use against Linux, Customers, Ex Customers or whoever else has tried to be nice to them in the past.

It's only a few hour's drive to Lindon from here. I wonder if I should go watch the fireworks.

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I must say I don't mind a price drop of this nature. As a consumer it's a good thing, at least short term where I lay out few clams and come up with a good product for the lower price.

However I'm sure nobody believes MS is anywhere near making a profit, indeed they're taking gigantic losses (not relative to their income of course, but in real numbers) to do so. Obviously Sony will be doing the same with the PS2 and whatever it's next box is, and Nintendo too if they release another.

Doesn't this just end up as a war of attrition, where the company who is most able to sustain gigantic losses comes out on top? Not only coming out on top but coming out as the ONLY contender. While it's not a monopoly situation now it seems clear to me it's heading that way.

I know nobody can prosecute a company on something they have not yet done, and there's perhaps no indication of who will win in the end out of the gigantic gaming manufacturers. Indeed, far be it for me to tell someone they CAN'T throw away their profits, but looking ahead it seems impossible to end up in any other way than someone with a massive monopoly. No new players, no competition between existing ones, and it won't end cleanly... because (forgive the cliche) in the end "there can be only one"

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This is what good widespread systems need, and it's understandable that Novell is aiming for consistency.

In the whole world of UI/Desktop use, choice is a good thing. It means complete customisation control from one purpose such as industrial process control, to corporate desktop, to games system (humor me and look to the future when this is the case with Linux. It will happen eventually). However for Novell who will be supporting a system, and selling it as a solution for businesses, then there needs to be stability, if not from a support point of view then for a User point of view.

Users don't care, and shouldn't, about the technicalities of their tools, and that's what support is for. Only when they have a well constructed and supported toolset (their desktop in this case) can they perform with 100% concentration on their REAL job be it marketing, secretarial, analysis and so on

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And at the rate the rollout is being dragged along your kids will be in highschool before anyone next hears of it. The entire world is able to change over to IPV6 within a short timespan as long as there's a concerted effort to do so. Humans don't ever expend effort, as a group, unless they're pushed to. Hopefully with a nation the size of China working towards it, it'll drag us and the rest of the world with them much quicker.

Then again we're still using Imperial measurements when the rest of the world is metric. Go figure that one

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warezing is a crime in australia and many country's so this sounds supported there. The article says "Griffiths Australian lawyers are fighting the move, stating that he has never set foot in the United States and has committed no crime under Australian law" but to me thats lawyer defense standard sputtering as it IS illegal in australia.

Their lawyers are using simple SCO tactics like "our IP is in their product" they can say it but it does not make it true.

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I don't think it's up for any debate as to whether he committed no crime in his home country, as he has committed crimes in MANY countries simply by distributing warezes to whoever anywhere. It just that the US is the one where he is currently to been processed.

If he isn't extrudited to the USA then he' able to be charged in Australia anyway, to me, or the UK or spain or france or germany as nauseum

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Han-wen & Jan have done one of the latter, this is a supreme polished job that's only getting better. Kudos

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Did anyone else read this interview and get the feeling that Anderer spoke a lot but didn't really say anything specific or all that relevant?

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That sounds like a easy way to fool cheating people. A large test for true adaptability that will quickly weed out the lesser entrants

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First we have SCO suing customers (and another company did too last year) and now crap like this being pulled with companies using customers as pawns in their power games between each other.

Maybe companies are forgetting one thing and one essential thing. No matter how much money they have or how many years theyve been around and on top they got where they are by being a service to their customers

It sounds like neither of these companies are doing that any more. It's the death throes of business when distraction overcomes service.

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> Darl is now a paranoid litigous bastard

And maybe he should! ESR has more and bigger guns!

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I think you are right, his own big mouth and attacks upon him will come the same way if at all. A gun won't protect him from the eternal smear campaign that will be waged even after this is all over, or from any other kind of electronic 'warfare' that an IT underground would want to inflict. He has annoyed millions and it would only take 10 people to make a real mess. One to break his electronic identiy, one to control his debt one to interfere with records of his property ownership, his mail and any electronic statis as a law abiding citizen or not.

Would it be likely he will wakes up one day and find his credit cards maxed out and his home in someone elses name and suddenly in debt to the tunes of millions of dollars and on a wanted list six states away? I think his attacks on his person wont be the type of thing a gun will stop if any come

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Darl's just a bit confused. He's the head of SCO, and he thought "Shootup Crack Operation" referred to bullets and it won't be long until he finds the hypodermic, then he'll be the old Darl we know and love.

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I don't know about `Cooking with the internet` as far as correct grammer but my first Athlon experience sure brought it close to reality! :-)

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allrecipes.com has a great section for vegetarian dishes too. With such a phenonemal number of pages on helping out with improving your own recipes and also new things you may never have tried there's no excuse not to go vegetarian today!

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No such thing as too many cooks spoil the broth, I think. A wiki would be the perfect solution for this, as long as the interest is there.

I'm thankful I learned how to cook and cook well when I was younger, but there is ALWAYS something to learn from someone else. It's not some exact science or mysterious voodoo, just something anyone with a little creativity and some basic knowledge can build on.

PS. Experiment most when you're single :-). it's easier that way when you screw up, and is a whole lot easier than when you're partnered later!.

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Phone them, email them, and contact them by registered mail. If your copyrighted works are online then you are losing income, and losing control over what you have the right to copy.

Granted, this can be abused easily if frivolous cases are constantly being brought to hand by a vexatious copyright holder (in the SCO mold who may not even own copyright). If you find your copyrighted work is being distributed illegally then it's your job to report it and get something done about it, sitting around after firing off an email and getting no response back indicates to me that you've been ignored or something's wrong with the system.

That being said, the fact that AOL has an email address registered with the copyright office and it's the wrong one does mean they're not making it easy via that one avenue of complaint. It doesn't affect the others, and picking up the phone makes sure you KNOW your complaint has been heard

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You may have been marked funny, and perhaps even writing in jest or indeed poking fun at us! But I think when it comes down to it that's one of the big obstacles to converting people to Linux and I am one of the people who's all for converting more people to Linux. market share = application writer attention = better for all of us.

I think a port of MS Office to Linux is likely one of the later ports that will happen, but applications like Flash and other general productivity ones will keep up the interest of all other software houses. There are dozens of big name applications I'd like to see released for Linux. They don't necessarily have to be open source themselves either. Imagine if Linux had a 50% market share just because Macromedia, Adobe, Microsoft and others released big name apps? that would be twenty times the user base we have now, twenty times the coders and twenty times the gamers and twenty times the bug reports.

How much better could Linux get if it were that popular? Unstoppably so

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Maybe referring to "The Linux Crowd" isn't the right way to go about it.

Perhaps the current "Linux Crowd" may not want flash, but there may be other reasons they want to go to linux, like the same reasons many other companies are. It's an open, extensible and stable platform with no licensing issues like Windows.

If flash, word, excel, dreamweaver and photoshop came to Linux, the "Linux Crowd" would be a whole lot larger, market share would of course be improved, and developers worldwide would have a much nicer platform to code on than the existing majority player.

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> But will it run on Linux?

Yes

> Thought not.

That makes no sense. Yes it does run on Linux

> Yet, this same crowd who hates Microsoft with a passion still
> love the precious windows games.

Yes I hate windows, I havent run it this century. I'm still an intense gamer. I don't play Windows games

> Hypocrites.

Having a little argument with yourself there Mr. Slow minded?

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I too wouldn't put perl as a "technically" best way to code ANYTHING, but it is however an intensely easy and powerful set of hacks, joined together quite well, and with a consistency that matches my own disorganised brain!.

I'm good for that. Getting something technically 'correct' in the coding world seems to me to be revolved around far more efficient use of resources and cpu speed than perl does. In my job however we have thousands of fast PCs, and only so many good coders. I go for whatever supports the coders, and for many of us that's perl

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The long lost art of Good Documentation. There's been quite a case made lately (read ESR's CUPS rant for an example) for software that doesn't need documentation, when its method of use is made obvious merely by it's design. I think for consumer software that's just meant to be used one or two ways sure that's a good idea.

But for something like Perl, it's all in the documentation. Here's to writers like Damian Conway not only providing summaries for new releases, but writing the original documentation!. If only it paid well!

That been said O'Reilly would sell a good deal less books if the original docos were all they should be cracked up to be. Guess it doesn't have to be that good! There's nothing like getting a new fresh O'Reilly title in the mail.

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I skipped by most mention of teleconferencing utils as it seemed faddish to me. No 'videophones' ever really worked or sold, most people just don't want them in a home environment.

But for internal workflow, after having used an ichat based system I'm really taken by the idea. Being able to jump into a quick conversation instead of emailing, then jumping back out to get work done clicks with me so much better. Maybe it's that I don't have to think about spelling grammar typing and formatting when talking face to face!.

I've yet to check out this version of gm, but seriously give it a go, especially if interemployee communication is a necessary part of business.

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