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Xbox Price Drop To $149 Now Official
bpitzer writes "It's official - Microsoft is cutting the price on the Xbox to $149, effective tomorrow, according to CNET News. Now, will Sony follow suit on the PS2? And how long until the next price drop? Maybe at this year's E3, making three in a row?" We previously reported on rumors to this effect, and other readers point to the official Microsoft press release, sporting a quote from noted tech analyst P.Diddy: "[I] believe that the system's cultural
influence as a social entertainment brand has only just begun."
can it run Linux(TM)?
...it starts trumpeting quotes from rappers as news.
it's still more then I can afford on my meager interns wage.
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When exactly does Xbox2 come out?
they also dropped the price in canada to $199 CDN
Marge, get me your address book, 4 beers, and my conversation hat.
i've been thinking about getting a ps2, hope this helps that price drop as well.
"[I] believe that the system's cultural influence as a social entertainment brand has only just begun."
This just in: rampant usage of the xbox has increased usage of the word owned!
...thanks guys.
Thank goodness my old Amiga 2000 still works :-)
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Also, having a green X in my living room is kind of creepy.
So what kind of loss is Microsoft taking now to ship these things?
If they already sold the X-Box for below cost, wouldn't this just hurt them further?
They were already selling them at a loss! Let's all go out and buy one of these, that will be striking a great blow for open source!!
Silly M$, this is an exploit for their business, not just Windoze.
I wonder if Nintendo will/can drop their price below $99. Personally... I'm a big Nintendo fan. I can't believe, in the 2+ years I've owned the console, that it took me so long to try Metroid Prime.... what a delight!
They're already selling their units at a loss. Now it's $50 cheaper! They must be pretty desperate to increase the user base for selling those games.
:)
Still, $150 for a 700mhz linux box is pretty nice.
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Here's some links from an almost-submitted post.
Microsoft Cuts Xbox Price to $150
Microsoft has cut the price of its Xbox game console to about $150 ($149.99), a $30 drop. The price cut was widely expected by analysts in a move to spur slowing console sales for the Xbox as the current generation approaches the end of its cycle, and gamers anticipate the next-generation of consoles in 2005. Microsoft also announced several price cuts on Xbox games and titles including 'Xbox Music Mixer, Project Gotham Racing 2 and Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge.' More coverage at CNet, CNN Money, ZDNet UK, AP via Seattle PI and Bloomberg via Seattle Times. (Microsoft press release)
Is it a significant milestone when a console becomes cheaper than the modchip for that console?
Saying "jumped the shark" has sooo jumped the shark.
-- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
Is it really?
as previously reported on Slashdot. No specific details, though.
So we have an established monopoly with $50b in cash in the bank now selling their product way below cost to steal market share.
how is this NOT dumping? if Sony or Hitachi did this with TV's they would be prosecuted.
I wonder if they are gonna drop the price once again when halo 2 comes out. That would seem like a pretty reasonable way to move a whole lot of Xboxes, but that's just me. I like halo.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
I must say I don't mind a price drop of this nature. As a consumer it's a good thing, at least short term where I lay out few clams and come up with a good product for the lower price.
However I'm sure nobody believes MS is anywhere near making a profit, indeed they're taking gigantic losses (not relative to their income of course, but in real numbers) to do so. Obviously Sony will be doing the same with the PS2 and whatever it's next box is, and Nintendo too if they release another.
Doesn't this just end up as a war of attrition, where the company who is most able to sustain gigantic losses comes out on top? Not only coming out on top but coming out as the ONLY contender. While it's not a monopoly situation now it seems clear to me it's heading that way.
I know nobody can prosecute a company on something they have not yet done, and there's perhaps no indication of who will win in the end out of the gigantic gaming manufacturers. Indeed, far be it for me to tell someone they CAN'T throw away their profits, but looking ahead it seems impossible to end up in any other way than someone with a massive monopoly. No new players, no competition between existing ones, and it won't end cleanly... because (forgive the cliche) in the end "there can be only one"
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I think you missed the sarcasm in the article.
Noted tech analyst?
Your bus is leaving.
...the phrase "jumped the shark" has officially jumped the shark once it appears on Slashdot?
Breakfast served all day!
Let's restrict the "We'll bankrupt Microsoft by buying the $150 XBox and coverting it to Linux" topics to replies to this post. This includes all cheap PC quotes from pricewatch, as well as arguments to the real cost of the XBox (better graphics, small HD, working from TV instead of monitor, monitor cost, yadda-yadda-yadda.) Not meaning to be a troll, but it seems 3/4 of the conversation revolves around these topics. [Well, there goes the Karma].
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What other company would sell a device for $149 when it costs $400 to manufacture? Only Microsoft would. Linus sure as hell wouldn't.
Zealots are sure in a quandry here. If Microsoft raises the price to above it's manufacturing cost, they scream that Bill is being a robber baron. But yet if they make the price more palatable as the Zealots want, it's labeled as dumping. The Zealots can't pick one stance.
But Microsoft does. It's stance is 'quality products, at a fair price'.
..when they're giving the Xbox away in a box of Lucky Charms.
Cruising the internet on my TI-99/4A @ a whopping 300 baud!
Even your "quarters" don't work in vending machines.
No. That will cost you an extra $699.
The article also mentions a PlayStation 2 price drop in mid-April, so don't buy an X-Box based on price just yet.
The game prices is what's killing us the consumers. The price to manufacture 1 game disc is like pennies. If Game Cube decides on another price drop, then I'll definetly get Game Cube just for Zelda: the windwaker.
I hope Sony drops the price as well.
I just bought a PS2 Yesterday to replace my fallen scph-3001 I hope they drop the price so I can get some cash back.
The Xbox controller will never fit!
Got news for you...all console makers sell their product below cost, and have for many years. They make it up on the games, though, which actually winds up making them more money than in the days of $300 consoles and $30 games. (Keep in mind that the console makers collect license fees even on third-party game titles, because the titles have to be officially licensed to run on the consoles. This not only ensures a revenue stream, but keeps third-party publishers from flooding the market with cheap, crappy games, which is part of what caused the video game crash of 1983.)
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If they already sold the X-Box for below cost, wouldn't this just hurt them further?
Wait 10 years for when grown up kids start discovering they've got all sorts of physical maladies associated with repetitive stress from video gaming and start suing the game makers, same as with tobacco and guns.
I think i'm losing feeling in my right thumb. Could it be all the times I hit it with a hammer or a fire button injury?
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Not necessarily. They may have been able to reduce manufacturing costs. (I'd hope at *some* point Moore's Law was able to affect Xbox component prices).
If that's the case they may simply be maintaining the same loss while hoping to pull in yet another slice of the bell curve of consumers.
Not that I'm one of them. I'm boycotting MS best I can. Finally got Mozilla Firefox installed on my Winboxen. Slowly I purge my home of All Things Microsoft. (Still require WinOS for work projects, unfortunately, but Firefox is great!)
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Evolution or ID?
Ninja Gaiden is the only game on Xbox that I would buy the system for. Until then I am happy with my PC and GameCube titles.
no doubt.
most catchy lingo is a single word. "Jump the Shark"....it just sounds gay.
I don't know anyone, firsthand, to use that phrase.
I think I heard 3 people, on TV, use it. They were publicly beaten.
And your vaunted Linus did it too. He charged not one single penny for Linux.
You arrest Bill, you better haul in Linus as well.
I thought that Sony dropped the price about 6 months ago, but then added in a subsidized modem and slightly increased the price to 170, so that the price effectively stayed the same, but the value of your purchase increased.
Bunch of marketing crap really.
When you have no design skills yourself, you simply sample from someone who does.
With this new price point and the hacks for the XBox out there, is this worth purchasing as a MPEG, MP3 and PVR entertainment PC? I'm not really interested in the games for the thing, but if I can get a decent computer out of the thing for $150, I'd be game.
Thoughts?
When Doom3 and HL2 ship for the Xbox I will buy it - till then I am happy with my Gamecube and collection of older PCs...
50 x $150 = $7500
This gives me 35000MHz of processor power and 3200MB of RAM. That'd be a pretty nice setup.
Got news for you...all console makers sell their product below cost, and have for many years
Congratulations, you've fallen for a myth. The only consoles before the Xbox to have been sold at a loss are the Sega Saturn and the Sega Dreamcast.
Please don't post myths - learn how to use Google.
it's in my head
Remember, you don't own an X-Box (and therefore can't mod it, etc), you lisence it.
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I think I'll wait till its $99 probably in a few months. Slashdot told me so. I already have a gamecube and a ps2, and I really only want X-box to run linux as a media player on my tv.
Ban Reality TV!
Yes it may only cost pennies to PRESS the disk. But you are a moron to think that's the only cost involoved. What about the cost to CODE the game? Those coders didn't do it for free. Do you you work for free at your job? Oh, I forgot, mommy and daddy still support you.
"There's only one game I'd like to play on the Xbox"
You are missing out on the games then. I have 2 for you to try. Ninja Gaiden and Ghost Recon. Oh, and get xbox live too. You will never go do anything else again.
Evolution or ID?
You might as well not then. It's a wickedly hard game that isn't that interesting. Might as well get a NES and play the original ;-)
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
other readers point to the official Microsoft press release, sporting a quote from noted tech analyst P.Diddy: "[I] believe that the system's cultural influence as a social entertainment brand has only just begun."
Or for those of you who know Diddy-speak:
"yeah, uh huh, uh, thats right, c'mon now"
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
This is pretty cool. Maybe I'll pick one up to make a media box out of for the livingroom.
Now, my real concern is, when will we see a pricedrop in the Gameboy Advance SP? Anybody heard any rumors about that?
Check your facts before posting. No xbox mod-chip costs more than $100.
Go here for teh [sic] funny.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
Nintendo and Sony at worst always broke even, up until very recently, neither had EVER sold a console at a loss. Nintendo is(or was before resuming manufacturing) now selling at a very minimal loss at their $99 price point.
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The demo was tight
Hell, a little sack time with the prune every night, and I get to drive the Porsche . What's a little whoring when you've got so much time left to be responsible!
so ppl will rush to the store, buy the xbox, and install linux on it, right ??
Since M$ is subsidizing the box, what is a better reason to install linux on it ? *grinn
Make an openmosix node out of it.
Time to flash that tsop, yeah.
well, good thing i keep my 007auf around.
Nice troll. The "selling the console at a loss" state is not unique to Microsoft. Most (or possibly all) of the consoles are like that. It's like cell phones -- sell the hardware at a loss, make it up on the accessories, services, etc.
I also recall hearing somewhere that they get the manufacturing costs ways down as the product matures, so later revs are as much of a loss, or possibly not a loss at all.
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Yeah, I usually don't start with an insult, but you're an idiot.
Microsoft isn't lowering the price of their system because they "care" about consumers and want everyone to drink from their goblet... they just want everyone to drink from their goblet whether they like them or not.
Every major video game console on the market right now is sold at a loss (analysis of hardware for the systems show that Nintendo has the lowest loss margin even at their $100 price tag as a side note. Then PS2, then X-Box.) Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft all sell these systems at a loss in order to get licensing fees out of game producing companies. They essentially do nothing, and get paid for it.
Microsoft lowering the price is pure economics. The cost of $200 is too much for some people. They realize if they drop it $50, they can sell more consoles. By selling more consoles, more games (theoretically) will get moved off the shelf and more licensing fees are paid to Microsoft.
Microsoft lowering the price has nothing to do with caring about people. Its about caring about profit. (How any good business is run.)
And you might as well get a fucking lobotomy, because summing the game up as 'wickedly hard and not that interesting' is truly deserving of one.
Have you even played it?
But Microsoft does. It's stance is 'quality products, at a fair price'.
Hmmm, let's see. Get the virus of the week and Windows XP for $200, or stay relatively virus-free for FREE. Decisions, decisions.
i've been waiting for this price drop! i'm going to go out tomorrow and pick one up! it'll sit right next to my PS2 which has been idle for the last 8 months due to Lack of Playing Time(tm). But at least i can say i have one!
The major contribution of the Xbox to our culture so far has been corpse humping in first person shooters. Not really something to be proud of...
Haven't people installed linux onto the Xbox? Does it actually work well or is it more of a novelty sort of thing? $150 is pretty good for a linux box. The Xbox has like a 733mhz processor, right? So it shouldn't be too slow...and if it really does use pretty standard PC hardware, then it might work out all right. As opposed to the PS2, I mean, which has weird hardware specifically designed for running games.
Didn't I read somewhere that it was going to $99 by Labor Day? Or was that just an ugly rumor, and this is the only price drop I can really expect?
Nope, I'm not nuts - this was the rumor.
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I hate to be a spelling nazi, but you misspelled pwned.
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Or maybe the problem is that they sell things at a loss in order to get a foothold in a new market. They could not do that without their monopoly position in the PC industry. If they had a console monopoly, I imagine that Microsoft would follow its past reputation and raise prices. They're just ruthless competitors when they need to be, and they are leveraging one industry monopoly in order to extend it into other industries.
Death to all Slashbots.
should have been "... relatively virus-free with Linux or BSD for FREE." But, you all knew that.
And the Sega 32X.. Lesson learned: Do not invest in Sega, but you can certainly buy their gear!!
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Great, the XBox now has a more competitive price-point. This thrust Nintendo into what was an increasing second-place lead over the XBox.
It's good to see Microsoft is still working to keep this generation and not abandoning it for the next round like Microsoft's CFO John Conner's seemed to be implying.
Now, Microsoft needs to work on what was more important all along and getting the quality of games higher. Microsoft has a lot of games, but still suffers from gaping genre holes and mediocrity.
Something intelligent here.
What's the difference between having a virus and relatively having a virus????
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I felt that /. jumped the shark long ago when CowboyNeal's evil twin brother started posting here.
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Funny how immediately after blaming someone for falling for a myth, his sig proclaims that Bush already has Osama...
When it's reportedly going to be $99 dollars, that's my console sweet spot...
Till then.. hey buddy, can you spare a dreamcast?
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For a long time I wanted to play GTA3. I pondered buying a $199 PS2 and then said "Naah, I'll wait for the price to go down". That was a year and a half ago, and they are still $179. Last year I bought GTA3 for my PC and a game controller very similar to the PS2 controller. Together the pair cost me maybe $65 and the graphics blow away the PS2.
You misspelled "pwn3d!!!"
You're going to need an electrician to verify you can run 50 of those things.
Now, why is this troll?
It can run linux.
And knowing Sony, it wouldn't be a shocker to see it dropped to $99, would it? This is pure speculation on my part, but they've liked sticking it to the competition in the past. Given they've got declining sales growth, indicating market saturation, if they cut the price to $99 they'd compete with the Cube, undercut Microsoft, and reach the population who will buy at $99. And probably still make a little profit off each box.
I believe they still have separate bundles for the PS2 with and without network adaptor. Maybe they'll go $99/$120, or $120/$150. Either way it's a good opportunity to make the competition look bad.
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
For me, it's that beach vollyball thing.
Uhhh.. He raps. He's bad at it and his music is definitely pop. But he's still a (bad) rapper.
Well, if you listened to the original single version, you'd note that all that P. Diddy did was take a tape recording of "I, Cringely" complaining about MS and say, "uh huh, unh HUNNNHH" over the top of it.
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the fact of the matter is that "quality products, at a fair price" is bullshit. Everyone in this market does this, and do not kid yourself into believing that Microsoft has the consumer in mind... this is not an act of benevolence... they are simply trying to stay alive in this market.
The fact of the matter is that the hardware is sold at a loss here, but games make up the slack. Playstation 2 has been enormously successful not because Sony makes a bunch on the console... even now at $179, it probably barely breaks even. But the money is in games. Unfortunately, Microsoft has had a few things against them... 1) slow start in attracting game developers to the platform 2) still a dearth of games altogether and 3) getting people to buy those games that are out, with the exception of Halo.
I'm impressed that someone actually worked themselves up to be outraged that people are bashing MS on Slashdot, by the way...
Since the Xbox is essentially a PC with a lot of anti-hack DRM crap built in, I wonder when it becomes practical simply to canibalize it for parts, stick on an "open" BIOS and turn it into a real low end PC?
Not as a basement hacker project, but as a commercial scale re-engineering effort. If you are replacing the BIOS with a one that will turn it into a regular PC and not play any PS/2 games, they could hardly be raided for piracy.
My rights don't need management.
I would have thought that MS could have dropped the price a long time ago to spread out their enormous development budgets a bit...but then again, "cutting the prices until we make a profit" hasn't worked too good as a business strategy recently.
but the mob beat me. Well, maybe next weekend..
MS is doing a great job of throwing money at the XBox problem. hurray! if it means PS2 is cheaper due to competition, I'm all for MS pumping several billions more into XBox.
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what does this mean?
That's 'licensed' you dyslexic fuck.
While the parent of your comment is pretty much a troll, most consoles are not like that. How often must this be posted before this myth is finally laid to rest?
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
It's a PC. We all know it. How much would a PC with hardware of "the same class" cost now? I don't think it would be more. It's far from "state of the art" technology by now and PCs that are 2-3 years old, easily fall in the "economy class". Think something similar to HDD40GB, GForce2, P3 1GHZ, 256M RAM - where would such thing land on a shelf in a computer shop?
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my g/f just got me a ps2 for my birthday.
WRONG, BITCH.
You can get a preowned Dreamcast (DC) at EBGames for $15 at a physical store or $19 online. Scope out DCEmulation for tons of homebrew ports and games (Mame, other emu's, mp3 player, divx player and many others) or fire up alt.binaries.cd.image.dreamcast for some commercial rips and work released by others. It even runs Linux (although a little dated) to a VGA monitor with KB support. The DC does not require any "chips" or internal hacks to run anything and has an internal modem.
Even further offtopic but I use my DC often, mostly for NES emulation and simply playing the games I've bought for it over the years.
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The price tag of ~ $150 is still not low enough for me to buy a second console. In fact, for someone like me who has already invested in "This generation" of consoles, anything over a hundred is too much. Its not a casual buy whenever you see three digits in front of the price tag's decimal point. I don't see what they intend to gain from this manuever.
Go Gusties
I think you missed the sarcasm in the post...
"Who are in control, they are not in control of anything - they don't even control themselves!" - Glen Beck
In Soviet Russia, prices slash Microsoft....
*cowers*
A harddrive for my PS2. But, GT4 will prevail...
Sigs? We don't need no stinking sigs!
Name the company that sells an OS and an office suite at 80% profit margin? Name the company that could significantly cut prices across the board because it has 40+ BILLION in CASH in reserve, but doesn't? Name the company that is inducing a loss-leadership so that eventually it can make large profit margins. Capitalism is the best system in the world, but it is hardly perfect nor always thinks of the consumer. Make no mistake, Microsoft has demostrated a willingness to own markets at any cost, especially as the cost of consumers. After all, how many companies with superior products have been decimated so that we have been left with a lack of innovation for a decade? The definition of a viable system is that it must work in the long term. The short term consumer gain will come at a huge long term cost. It took over five years before browser innovation started again, for instance.
I, for one, do not welcome our attempted overlords.
Bel, the mostly sane.. "Of course I can't see anything! I'm standing on the shoulders of idiots." -- Me
...you can bet they won't drop it to 80!
Am I right in thinking that you can't export the X-Box from the US because of the encryption issue? That is the offical reason given when you try to export an iPod.
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Maybe they are selling the boxes at below Suggested Retail, but at a loss. . . Doubtful.
Yes, it's a PC. But by nowadays standards, it's a crappy PC. The stuff is rather old. A P3 CPU, a 20-60G harddrive, some three years old gfx card, no monitor included, moderate amounts of DIMM RAM. Might be good for embedded projects like laser displays for a DJ, info booth boxes and such, but there are better and cheaper home PCs available.
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i think a lot of the loss is also for the Xbox project as a whole..... so the R&D, promotion and whatever else. i don't think it's purely the physical bits in the Xbox carton cost more than $150 or $199 or whatever. So in that sense they will be reducing their costs over time.
As for the components themselves, i would think for a time the costs would go down, but at some point they would be somewhat outdated and not worth sustaining, i dont know where that curve crosses the "time to upgrade to keep up with Sony!" curve.
obviously with games costing $30 - $50 (right?) anyone with a system will spend much more on games, and M$ or Sony or whomever gets a cut of that, as well as M$ making their own games.
I wonder what other companies have to pay to Sony or M$ per game sold? THAT seems to be what sustains the console makers. when you read that the average consumer only buys a few new games a year, it makes you wonder what the licensing stuff works out to be. It also explains why theyw ould be going after anyone that is bootlegging games, or trying to use the consoles to run linux and not buy their software. The console is purely a vehicle for selling more games..... kinda like the opposite of the iTunes Music store? weird........
I just bought an Edsel with fins and white wash tires and it's SO cheap! Can't wait to show off this baby to all the chicks in town. Boy, am I cool for having something this modern and fast or what?
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Anyone want to buy a Delorian? It only has 50 'flux capacitor' years on it.
1) Deal a financial blow to Microsoft that will make the EU fines pale in comparason and
2) Raise up our army of giant tux-the-penguins for the last battle against the Evil Empire (Microsoft.)
Hmm maybe I should lay off the cough syrup...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
No, I believe he said "owned", not "liscensed". Obviously, you spend more time complaining about the Xbox than you do playing it.
i just bought mine a month ago for 180...don't matter i got three free games :-P
Sega Saturn and the Sega Dreamcast.
And the Sega 32X.. Lesson learned: Do not invest in Sega, but you can certainly buy their gear!!
You would consider the examples of Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast and Sega 32X to be examples of what gear one should buy?
~jeff
Obviously, you've forgotten to take your sarcasm/humor pills today.
Microsoft just sampled the press relesase of a more talented game console company.
You need to convince M$ to keep making X-boxes then buy just above the threshold where M$ might stop making them, and keep bringing the price down.
And for you brave ones keep buying them and selling them at a loss on ebay. Don't worry that you're losing money meaning that M$ isn't losing as much in comprison to you, M$ will always have more money than you, this for the principle of not letting 800 lb gorrillas stink up the market.
The message on the other side of this sig is false.
I think this is the first 10 times I've seen it used.
I've heard of jumping the boat, but somehow that doesn't quite fit.
You're nothing; like me.
It's just my opinion, but like most Team Ninja games over the last few years, it is simply a repetitive and unoriginal game with very pretty graphics. Essentially, it's a tech demo, like the last few Dead or Alive games. At least this time it was more of an attempt at making a lasting game.
It's not bad by any means, but I think that other adventure games like Prince of Persia do a better job of telling a story and merging fun gameplay. Ninja Gaiden is hardly any reason to buy the system right now. The difficulty issue mostly comes down to using the right weapons at the right time. Mastering, and you'll get through the game pretty quickly. After some time, it's easy to lose interest as there really is no meat and potatoes to the game. The story and repetitive gameplay doesn't really do the game justice, in spite of its lovely graphics.
... then I'd get one.
... the small, professional looking GameCube plays colourful kiddie games (excellent games, don't get me wrong) in the main. The large, colourful Duplo-style console is the one with the more adult games.
As it is, a large black brick with a large green X is not coming inside my house. Someone bring the MS XBox division into the new millennium regarding console design, please!
Odd isn't it
Microsoft today announced a price drop for their Xbox game console. Prices will be dropped to $149 in hopes to spur slumping sales.
In other news a Sony spokesperson was quoted as saying, "Bring it on, bitch!!" after hearing of the recent Microsoft price drop.
I reckon a MAME emulator like this would could cost something like $25 at the factory door.
And if you thought that was boring you obviously havn't read my Journal ;-)
...the cultural influence has.
I always use to think it was novelty too.
But for 150 you have a networked mp3, move, and dvd player. The dvd can play any region. I use a wireless keyboard and mouse to browse the internet on my Television while playing mp3s.
I live @ college in an apartment with ethernet. I can mount any computer in the apartment complex via samba (or nfs) and stream mp3's from the computer to my stereo. (I'm getting optical out soon it'll be even better)
You can also watch dvd's, the quality is awsome using s-video (I can't even imagine component).
You can use a pc to do all this, but a pc would look really big and ugly next to a plasma tv. You could mount the xbox vertically. Not to mention the xbox is soo fucking quiet. I have a ps2 that I bought first, and it's loud. The xbox you can barely hear when it is on.
Plus for 20 dollars get a copy of Halo used and you can use a spare computer and program called xbox connect to play people on the internet. (The program is free cause it tricks the xbox into thinking the computers are local.)
The xbox we have now is my roomates, but I'm buying one this week (since the price dropped) cause I'm going to want one this summer (I graduate and move) and I'm afraid by then Microsoft will make it to hard to put on Linux.
You already can't use the new mech warrior game, or Xbox newer then like September 2003.
Hope that helps.
Heck, new hardware at $150 means skipping 5 new releases at $50 each and waiting until they're $20 each. I don't have to skip the games, just wait a little bit.
Some games don't ever get re-released, and by the time you get to them, they cost upwards of $70 for one copy on eBay. Look at Chrono Trigger for Super NES, Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo for PlayStation, or Rez for PlayStation 2.
The xbox comes with 64MB RAM. There are open spaces on the motherboard that allow you to add another 64MB, bringing the total to 128MB. The process is not as complicated as you might think. You can even buy an xbox with the 128MB modification already done for you.
I picked the ps2 first years ago because I could play dvds on it, however lamely, without having to buy the remote at first (I did buy one later), and because I knew I wanted to keep playing Final Fantasy. I was also upset that Microsoft cancelled the two movie-tie-in "A.I." games, and was waiting to see other compelling titles.
Now that I haven't used my ps2 in months for games, and the next Final Fantasy is going to be online (and a rip-off for the kit and the monthly fee), I'm looking to get another game system.
Is gamecube is really all that compelling compared to xbox? What are the major non-sport, non-fps titles for each platform? I'm already leaning to xbox because it will play dvds so I can just unplug and pack away the ps2 for a while, but I haven't compared them otherwise.
WHAT?!
In post-9/11 America, the CIA interrogates YOU!
Namaste
I don't consider P.Diddy a rapper (much less a musician). Rappers usually have a little talent.
Now someone else may have posted about this and I may be redundant, but it just ERKS me like nothing else that Microsoft can get away with this.
Being a monopoly Microsoft cannot use their weight and power from one market to force their way into another market. This especially involves selling products at a loss. Even though it's common to sell a console at a loss and hopefully make up for it on game sells - MICROSOFT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO SO
They're a justified monopoloy by two (terrible) justice systems. They should not be allowed to play by the same rules as everyone else.
*DrugCheese rants*
I can go to Walmart and buy a game cube for $99 already. WHat are you babbling about.
$99 gamecube
Why yes I have. Having an xbox and access to a local blockbuster I rented the game last week. It's a bunch of bounce off wall, stomp head, and cut'em'up action.
As an example of "hard" consider the first boss [the dude with the nunchuck [sp?] action]. If you try to hit him dead on he blocks then proceeds to hit you like 9 times.
The only way my buddy and I got past him was to flip off the wall and hit him as he turned around.
Not only does stupid "hardness" like that prolong the game to artificially make it seem more developed [prince of persia comes to mind] but it also just makes the game frustrating to play.
Tom
Someday, I'll have a real sig.
Actually, I just recently bought a Dreamcast, and I'm *very* happy with it. It's *exceedingly* easy to dev for, since it accepts regular ol' CD-Rs (in a slightly odd format) (heck, it even takes those little 8cm discs, which is *really* nice), and thus has a very active homebrew community. It's even easier to dev for if you drop a few bucks on a Dev cable or a Broadband Adapter, which allows you to wire the machine up to a standard PC. Consequently, a ton of emulators and other software have been written for it... including a port of Linux (which I plan to use as a platform for code experimentation, once my dev cable arrives). As for tools, the standard GNU toolchain works like a charm. It really is a console hacker's dream machine... powerful, open, and easy to code for... In fact, the only console-type device that comes anywhere near the popularity of the DC, in terms of the homebrew scene, is the GBA. And if all that wasn't enough, it's cheap, too! You can get one off E-Bay for around $30-40 US!
Would you people stop perpetuating this myth.
SEGA is the only company prior to MS's launching of the XBox to sell a console at a loss.
Nintendo briefly did when they sold off their backstock at the $99 pricepoint, and Sony has always at WORST broke even.
I'm Googling...and I can't find anything that definitely shows that consoles are/are not sold at a loss. All I can find is a bunch of stupid forum posts.
"You cannot find out which view is the right one by science in the ordinary sense." - C.S. Lewis on Intelligent Design
http://www.wto.org/trade_resources/publications/go ods/ma_dumping.htm
I know how to use Google and I'm not finding it. Can you cite a source, perhaps, and help us out?
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Waste your money on this piece of tripe. Idiots.
Do you mean "bad" as in "good"?
The PR from Microsoft quotes P.Diddy, and has a picture of Paris Hilton sporting an Xbox-logo-emblazoned bag.
Hmm.
Microsoft Xbox: The official video game console of the 15:01 crowd!
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Microsoft is WINNING the console war!
You idiots! why haven't you done anything to stop this?
Isn't it enough that open source is FREE (as in Beer and Sex and Rock and Roll via Kazaa)?????!!?!?!?
Hell, you all DESERVE to be sold out to THE MAN.
Fuckingshit.
Uh... that's pretty much all I got.
Move along.
Do you have links for all this? I know someone who recently picked up a Dreamcast and is looking to do more with it... Maybe I can convince her to let me have a go at it.
I'm not a nerd. I'm a geek. Nerds make more money.
But damn. I didn't get any of this generations consoles. Now, even though Xbox MK II is schedualed for q4 of 2005 (which means late 2007?), I'm picking this up with a new xbox next paycheck.
I was impressed. The control isn't perfect, but it's pretty good, and there's good context sensitivity from I've experienced. You can wall jump like Strider in 3D, run up walls, or sideways on walls. The combat is pretty free-form, and brutal, sorta like soul calibur. The old move that counts is in there.
It was no Rygar, I had a friend who bought and returned Rygar.
http://www.actsofgord.com/Proclamations/chapter02. html
There are official statements from Nintendo regarding whether they sell at a loss as well available (Perry, recent drop to $99). The above took me 5 seconds with Google - you need to brush up on your Google-skills.
it's in my head
Try here. They've got links to a bunch of software and references to other sites on actual DC dev. Incidentally, for actually burning DC discs in Linux, just read this email that I snagged... it's really quite easy, but you need to pass the right options to cdrecord for things to work properly.
Over here it's 129.00, which at today's rates is 234.58 United States Dollars.
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um i think you mean jumped ship.
Funny that they only dropped the price after a full weekend of sales of the new Splinter Cell 2 game, which, coincidentally, isn't available this time around on PS2 (it's original platform). I too almost went out and shelled out the bucks for it... almost.
IANAL, but IIRC you can only sue for dumping as long as you can show that a US manufacturer is being hurt by said dumping. Just how many TV manufacturers are left in the US? My understanding is a big, fat zero. Units are assembled in the Far East and Mexico, AFAIK.
It should be very interesting to note what will happen as hybrid vehicles are started to be produced by US manufacturers. My understanding is that both Honda and Toyota are selling their vehicles below cost. Now that Ford has licensed the Toyota technology, what will happen next? Did Toyota insert a "thou shalt not sue" clause in Fords licensing terms?
Which brings us around to consoles. Once again, there are no US manufacturers. Thus, no one can sue anyone for dumping. Considering how much of the US manufacturing sector has already wandered off to greener pastures, I wonder how much longer the US will be able to sue for dumping...
everyone is talking about how XBOX is competing witht the PS2 on price. I suggest that the ps2 isnt hurting them, people want they want, if you want PS2 your going to get a sony, if you want an XBOX your going to get an Xbox, sure grandma might not know the differnece, but how many gandmas feel confident to change the gift from what Jr, asked for? none. They just get what you wrote down. I think the real price pressure for Xbox is the second hand market. The problem is that with only a few good games people start to get tired of the console, sell it and someone else picks it up on the second hand market. I got my xbox ( just to play KTOR) and it was like $149.. course that was second hand. So is it coidence that the new price is exactly the going rate on the second hand market? And if you dont belive me that there are only a few good xbox titles why are they still pushing HALO ? Jebus its a good game, (better on the PC) but are you still supposed to be surfing that wave years later? I mean they should be pushing HALO2.. or even HALO3.. but no.. they just have a few old tired games. The only great thing about Xbox is that its costing MS even more money to sell it now, and it will never go away. MS can affored to pump money into Xbox for eons, something atari and sega could never do. The only thing that could kill Xbox would be the MediaCenter PC, but since MS done an even worse job of selling that piece of trash Xbox2 will most likly suck in the MediaCenter features killing that basterd and pushing XboxX slight further along.
Kind of like saying "i'm never driving so i wont get an accident" what the hell are you gonna do with a Linux box anyway?
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I have a PC that I've been slowly upgrading over the years (motherboard is 5 year old dual proc BX with 2xP3-850). It suits my needs just fine as a software engineer. The biggest cost this year was adding an 80GB hard drive - not much really. Why would I spend a couple of grand to get a machine capable of playing games? Why would even set myself up to that I would need to keep spending top dollar to keep it playing games? That's a waste of money. Not to mention that it's in my office and nowhere near my stereo nor TV nor in a position several people can sit around it. Also, who would want a large noisy PC in their living room? Nah, I bought an XBox and *no* new game will have performance problems and force me to upgrade.
Buying a gaming PC is a constant battle against one's bank account and a foolish mistake that I've only made once. If you've got money to squander so frivolously then go ahead as there are plenty of people who you keep employed. I would rather save the money and spend it boozin' or taking my wife out to dinner or travelling to other countries, or any other number of things. Trust me, you can do a lot with the money you save.
You misspelled "pjwn3d", dumbass!
"[I] believe that the system's cultural influence as a social entertainment brand has only just begun."
I agree. I also believe the system's cultural influence as a social entertainment brand has also peaked.
They'll just raise game prices to offset the markdown on the console. It's like Gillette, Shick, et al. does with razors and razor blades.
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Hell no... Linus makes an operating system with hundreds of thousands of man hours put into it, the equivalent of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars of labor. Then the whole thing is given away for free. I think Linus is a communist, don't you? He leans to the left in more ways than one! [wink, wink]
That's because you 'just had' a PC around, and you're not adding the cost to that.
Do the calculation for the lifetime of a console (about 4 years), figure in video card upgrades and Windows licenses, etc., add any downtime and screwing around due to drivers, viruses, etc. and then come talk to me about which is cheaper. Hell man, your video card alone costs the same as a console.
If Jesus wants me it knows where to find me.
2) Use the James Bond 007 exploit, which requires a specific saved game to be put onto a memory card, and then once you load that saved game from within James Bond, it will allow you to load unsigned code from the Xbox. The only problem, atleast when this exploit first came out, is that you have to redo the exploit everytime you want to reboot your OS (or everytime you want to load some new unsigned code).
Assuming you flash the bios when you use the exploit you will never need the exploit again.
You mean $219; don't forget the modchip.
But Maaa! Everyone else has a
That's not true at all. Nintendo has stated that they have always made a profit on their hardware. SEGA made a profit on all their hardware until the Saturn. Sony eventually makes a profit on their hardware because they are manufacturing it instead of having it manufactured for them.
As stated earlier, Microsofts biggest problem with making a profit on the XBox is that they used components that do not go down in price but go up in functionality, i.e. hard drives.
Not since Marie-Antoinette played milkmaid has looking simple and honest been so fake and complicated.
Ah no, they don't. That's why they rap, to tell the whole world how great they are, when in their deluded little ghetto thug minds they are forced to attempt reconciliation of the paradox of believing they are great while being treated like yesterday's turd by all around them.
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The real tragedy is, lots of people are stupid enough to believe them... i.e. Sony Music.
Don't believe me? Name one rapper who doesn't do a piece about how fucking awesome they are, and everyone better watch out. It's like pre-pubescent pencilnecks playing Unreal Tournament. You can say what you like when those you are saying it to are on the end of a CD player, or a DSL line. A phenomenon you'll see here on
I picked up an XBox around Christmas, ordered my mod chip (Xecuter 2.3b), bought a 120 GB WD HD and proceeded to get busy. A couple of hours later, the Xbox was ready and I began to copy over my media. By the end of the night, I had everything stored safely on the box with a simplistic enough setup (EvoX & XBMC) so that my wife (a bright technophobe) was, suprisingly, very comfortable with. Add another $30 for a remote and it's a kick ass media system, that also houses my NES, SNES, Genesis, Mame and Apple ][ library (I am so lame). Oh yeah, it also pulls my favorite shoutcast streams so that I can listen to GrooveSalad or SecretAgent while getting pleasantly trampled in the backyard on those perfect spring saturday evenings.
You can also get yer Xbox working happily with a samba share. I was personally thrilled just get all of that shit off of my studio box so that I can get back to recording music... not cluttering it up with 40 GB of music and DIVX movies.
Yes, you could also do all of this with a custom built PC, but then again... a custom built PC isn't going to play the odd Xbox game that catches yer fancy.
So, if a total of around $300 and a small amount of dirty work is worth it to you to put together a very competent Media (Mp3/Ogg/AAC,etc... DIVX, SVCD, DVD, shoutcast stream), emulation machine that also plays xbox games... yes, it's worth it.
A couple of years back, I spent $250 on a DVD player that was fitted with NUON crap, what an effin mistake that was. Now that DVD player is a spare MP3 player for the bedroom.
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#SickNotWeak
Don't forget "man humping". I know it's not an offering of the games themselves, but the console does tend to attract a "certain type" of male.
Think about it - when you see people looking through XBox titles, do you more often see a single guy on his own, or TWO guys, smiling at each other and looking like they want to hold hands? "It's good to play together" indeed.
A kid asked me if I knew which games were best for the XBox. I said "Sorry, I'm into chicks".
And from that very article you linked: "Reports have it fall between $50 to $105 lost per console. MS has only said that they are losing money, and won't comment on how much."
Not to mention there are comments about how the GC at first lost money, as did the first few runs of the PS2. And there's questionable logic applied about how Sony makes $175 per PS2: " It said that had Sony been able to meet demand with another 1 million PS2 units, they would have pocketed $175 million in profits. $175 million divided by one million consoles equals $175 per console profit."
Now, that totally ignores manufacturing realities, such as scale of production, etc.
I think it's fair to say for a portion of most console's lives, the manufacturer does lose at least a little. Maybe not a HUGE loss, but I think it's a bit rash to say it's a myth that systems lose money. If the system lives past the first few years, economies of scale come into play and they can start making money. But that initial R&D cost, combined with initial manufacturing costs, would make it fairly difficult to launch a system at an affordable price and not lose money. (*cough*3DO*cough*)
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I believe you mean "licensed."
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If you do decide to go with an Xbox, make sure to get your free (well, $7 for shipping) keyboard adapter from Microsoft. That, or sacrfice an Xbox controller extension cable to fit it for standard USB. Then, when yer really feeling drunk and lame, you can sit on the couch pounding down the beer doing yer thing on IRC.
It's also handy if you decide to install Linux on yer box (GentooX 3.0c is a nice release).
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#SickNotWeak
>Funny how immediately after blaming someone for falling for a myth, his sig proclaims that Bush already has Osama...
In all actuality, it's the reverse: the binLaden family owns Bush.
Kind of an odd coincidence that September11 hysteria was parlayed into a war against Iraq... when the Bush family is SOOO invested in Saudi Arabia. What country harbored the REAL organization behind the attack? Iraq? Ha..
I believe the attack was plotted, financed, and the bombers came from Saudi Arabia. Even the Taliban leadership all came from Wahhabist sects of Saudi Arabia. Oh yeah.
Silly facts... quick, bring out the Fox News shiny things!!
I'm sure we'll see some Olliver North style pardons before we ever know the full truth.
Indeed. I bought a Game Cube, and played Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem. Definitely a mature title! Full of Lovecraftian creepiness and a fair amount of gore and psychological manipulation. It is one of the few survival horror type games that actually scared me.
I might also point out that the Resident Evil series was (re)released on the Game Cube, with revamped graphics and game play. I don't own those, but was impressed with what they did to beef up the titles.
If only the Game Cube weren't manufactured with bright colors, and had controllers that looked a little more like those for the PS2 and Dreamcast, I think it would have gone over better with adult gamers. But it's a fine system, and has plenty of adult-oriented games in its repertoire.
With a $149 X-box and ten of the best murder simulators for $19.99 a piece everyone can finally afford childcare.
No, that's "bad" as in "Avril".
Sega made some great games and some great hardware. Just because Nintendo's gear was better is no reason not to pick up the good Sega stuff :)
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Your comment is just plain fucking stupid. I hold no deep love for rap music, but to say what you just did is as ignorant as saying "all rock is about partying, name a rock band that doesn't do a piece about love/women/partying and everyone better watch out". Talking themselves up is a intrinsic part of the style of music they perform, but that does NOT mean that every song is about how tough they are. Try listening to some Brotherhood, Hilltop Hoods or KRS-1. Also try listening to rap from the rest of the world (not just your moral cesspit) where there aren't gang violence problems on the same scale and you will see the music reflects that. The fact that some dickhead moderator wasted a point modding up a AC just reinforces the fact that your drivel is all opinion, no content. Keep spinning the country and western, cowboy.
I've enjoyed KOTOR, Morrowind (admittedly both are availible on the PC, but I played them on the XBox), Halo, Crimson Skies, SCII (cross platform). I and got my XBox a year ago with Splinter cell and Mechassault for $179, and I've been pretty happy with the system, I'll probably mod it this fall. The other nice think about it is that I don't play a ton of games on the computer anymore and I'll finally make the switch to linux.
Per another Anonymous Coward's post, here's how one can prove that you're mathematically wrong:
Microsoft has x Xbox's already made (their current stock).
Each unsold Xbox costs them 300.
Every sold Xbox costs them 150.
If no one buys them, they lose 300x dollars.
If they sell all of them, they lose 150x dollars.
If they manufacture another x units, they're out 150x + 300x.
If they sell the second set of units, they're out 150x + 150x = 300x (the amount they originally lost).
At this point, any further manufactured units translate into pure loss (above and beyond the original loss). Now, you may say, "well, they have enough units produced that they'd never sell 2 times the amount of stock they have now." But that's a guess and more likely because Bill is no moron, the amount of stock is kept low (as any basic business course will dictate as the ideal situation). Therefore, it is extremely likely this will happen and any sudden surge in Xbox sales at this point is likely to effect manufacturing of new units and the bigger the surge, the more stock MS is likely to maintain to be able to meet immediate demand. Now how clever do you think you are?
No you are wrong, rap is all a bunch of violent wannabe thugs singing about how they'd like to be - only they pretend it's how the already are. And that's a good thing - at least they keep each others' numbers down on the rare occasion that one of the chickenshit punks sprays a few rounds from a speeding car and manages to actually hit someone.
If you listen to rap from New Zealand, it's still all about being better than you really are - and who can blame them, it's nice to have a fantasy. Yours is "I hold no deep love for rap music" - obviously you do, you just can't see through to what's at the bottom of it, shallow though it is.
ignorance is funny?
The expression "Jumping the shark" comes from an episode of the old tv show Happy Days, where one character litterally jumped over a shark. Many people considered that this was the worst. episode. ever. and that the show went downhill from there. Hence the expression.
Don't use the word, "gay" to mean bad. That's so gay.
How ya like dat?
As in 2pac, Nas, Outkast..
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You're right, I did lose a million dollars last year. I expect to lose a million dollars this year. I expect to lose a million dollars *next* year. You know, Mr. Thatcher, at the rate of a million dollars a year, I'll have to close this place in... 60 years.
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... preowned and in perfect shape from Gamestop. Apparently, they reduced the preowned XBOX prices in anticipation of the Microsoft price drop. Of course, I had to add the price of the USB extension cable, a USB memory stick (my digital camera wasn't recognized by the XBOX), and another controller dongle connector in order to throw Linux on it, but the device even had a Samsung drive (the best of the 3 possible drives)!
Isn't selling at a loss called dumping and forbidden by the WTO? Didn't the US put a tax on Korean made RAM for this very reason?
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I can't wait until the price comes down to $49.95, and then I'll buy 100 of them and make a wonderful Linux cluster out of it.
Lord, I work at a video game store.
::Nod:: How? Posters and all been sittin' in the back all this time.
Then again, I've known about this for a week.
*rubs temples* I have to work tomorrow...
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Can't find an mp3 on the net. They recently played it at Melbourne International Comedy Gala.
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VikingBrad
What's the difference between having a virus and relatively having a virus????
Sort of like being a little bit pregnant?????
yeah and even more curious, news that hits the front page...
Large print giveth, and the small print taketh away
Yeah, and your mad PS2 skillz get you WAY more chicks than P.Diddy gets.
Are you referring to the combat in Prince of Persia: Sands of Time? If so, I actually quite liked that. I got kind of annoyed when you'd meet stronger enemies who could block you when you tried to run up them and so on, but it made me actually start using blocking manoeuvres and so on, and made be better at the fighting part, and enjoyed it.
On the other hand, if you're talking about the original Prince of Persia games, then yes, I totally agree :)
Its great that the Xbox has gone down. As P. Diddy knows Mo' Money, Mo' Problems.
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> um i think you mean jumped ship.
Um, I think YOU meant "I'm an idiot who should shut the hell up because I don't know what this conversation is about." He said it correctly.
You can buy an xbox an make a linux box with it (you would need around 50 more bucks for a modchip and you would need an extra $100 for a decent hdd), but exactly what good will that make? the beauty of linux is that it would run in a $400 pc and it would be much better than in an xbox (since the CPU could be faster and you can buy extra ram).
But you would need a $1000 bucks pc to run Ninja Gaiden (if it existed) and/or Halo in a decent PC. it costs $200 in a xbox.
What would you like better a half baked linux station with the illusion you "hurt" a company by using your money in buying their product? or a game station at almost 20% of its price? you do the math.
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The network man, the network....
I have a 40GB headless server in a closet, connected to the xbox via switched 100Mbit ethernet. The 40GB server is running freebsd and has nfs shares. My apartment complex has a 10 mbit network, my computer, my roomates computer, my friends upstaris computer can be mounted using samba.
The xbox mounts the drives and plays everything over the network path is just(/usr/media/.) Streaming a mp3 over samba takes about 20k/s. Moves more, but quality is still good.
If I want a DVD quality movie, well I have a DVD+-RW so I just burn the movie and take it out on the xbox.
You can put a 120GB HD if you put in a mod chip.
I just wanted to software mod mine for a while.
Uh, no.
First of all, even if "Acts of Gord" was a reputable source of factual information (it's not, it's a humor site), it *only* mentions Nintendo machines. What about Intellivision? How about Coleco? Atari?
The page you linked to doesn't support your argument. If your argument was "Nintendo never sells hardware for below cost," then that official statement (posted on a humor site!) might be relevant in some way.
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A cheap network adapter would be nice. Although I have not tried it myself, there is a modem to modem method of establishing a PPP connection to your local network with the DC. Not ethernet but it should be a reliable connection.
For Divx I've only used dcmplay. I do not know the relationship if any between it and Pocket Divx but this one suffers from sync problems also.
Even with the obvious negatives of the DC, it was a very capable console and there is still a decent amount of development floating around for it.
Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly.
It is a reputable site, not a humor site. You also need to brush up on your reading skills, and learn a bit or two about the history of the console industry.
Oh, and yeah. Use Google.
Seriously. It's tiresome having people reply to you on Slashdot saying "Duh I cannot find anything to support your statement" when it takes only 5 seconds to do so.
Now go find Perry's statement about Nintendo only losing a marginal amount of money right after the cut to $99 on the Gamecube. You'll also be able to find that they lost a marginal amount at launch - but in between these two points in time they actually made (or broke even) on the hardware.
Claiming "everyone loses money on the hardware and makes up for it on the games" (which the parent, and several others posts in this thread did) just displays utter ignorance and no knowledge whatsover about the console industry.
it's in my head
Actually, chicks go nuts for Gamecube. "It's so tiny, and cute!" And by proxy, you become cute too... just don't introduce them to Animal Crossing.
Note that Wal Mart forces its suppliers to
cut back on their margins.. Microsoft probably did this ina desperate attempt to get Wal Mart to drop their PS2 and Nintendo lines and to remain in the stores..
Just say no to license servers!!
Not only is there the price drop of $30, but FYE has a $30 rebate on top of that, bringing it down to $119.99.
But be careful! The rebate applies to units with a specific UPC code and does not appear to apply to the Holiday Bundle that includes Tetris Worlds, Clone Wars, and 2 months free Xbox Live. Further, my local FYE had removed the original UPC barcode on the holiday bundle and replaced it with a different one.
But don't despair just yet. My local FYE put their stamp and a note on the rebate form that they are substituting the unit and requesting that the rebate be honored. On top of that, I got a promise that if the rebate was not honored that they would honor it in store themselves.
On a different note, be aware that some of the stores that do price matching are themselves very nitpicky and may not honor a price match against a different bundle package. You might have make some lies of omission to get them to do it, or be very convincing.
Oh, say does that Star-Spangled Banner entwine / The myrtle of Venus with Bacchus's vine?
Tripod are great! I wish they'd put out their songs as MP3 downloads :(
I don't know if they were running MAME or not but I've seen small game kits sold in malls that have a lot of early generation Atari, Nintendo and Sega games (for example: Duck Hunt-->with laser gun, Super Mario Bros., Altered Beast, Joust, Hogan's Ally, etc.). I think it was selling for around $25-$30, but I'm probably wrong about that.
The coolest thing about it was that the games were all stored in the controller. The light gun plugged into one of the controllers to work. They had a genesis-like controller and a NES looking controller.
The light gun games were fun to play again. I never really had the chance to play Hogan's Alley when it was out. NEway, its a pretty good waste of time.
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