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I can't believe this repeatedly comes up like it's some mysterious question that needs to be worked out. Just like every other artform in existence, they range from commercial work that would be considered "craft" and definitely not "fine art", they have a middle point of indie games that are more arty and experimental but still accessible (maybe Katamari or Colossus), and there are extremely experimental games that are more about expression or defining the nature of video games.

I think the problem with the articles about this subject is that the writers don't know much about current new media art, and aren't aware of the purely conceptual game art going on, like this or this or this.

No no no, there's MUCH BETTER under Linux: the Pizza Party utility.

while Beige is awesome, this record came out several years ago. (and it's somewhat well known that there was software distributed by vinyl before that.) How about posting about some of their more recent stuff. ;o)

while Beige is awesome, this record came out several years ago. (and it's somewhat well known that there was software distributed by vinyl before that.) How about posting about some of their more recent stuff. ;o)

This seemed appropriate for the discussion :
CLI Pizza

I would argue that most computer games are actually design, not art. There is a push in the artworld now for video game art. Velvet Strike and Cory Arcangels work are two examples of fine art created with video games (both of these were in the Whitney Bienniel last year). It's pretty exciting stuff especially if you are a geeky artist like me :)

http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/
Nuff said. Maybe Bill should order "bash-2.05a$ pizza_party --olives --mushrooms --pepperoni --pineapple 2 medium regular"

re: ordering pizza with your TiVo...

What you need is an m68 port of a this

I stand in awe, truly...

I've hacked my TiVo. I have bash, a web-based interface, and yes, now I want to order pizza with my TiVo... I cracked the joke, now I must make it happen.

Thanks for the link!

What you need is an m68 port of this

I think this was on Slashdot at some point, but here is the original:
http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/

"...and hackers become more sophisticated..."

...and WHO become more sophisticated?

-F|--force
Order your pizza without asking for a confirmation.

Now all we need is method and apparatus, er, that is, a solenoid-operated tap controlled through a command line utility that works in most UNIX shells, so we can refill our pitchers or glasses from our keyboard. It might look something like this:

refill -v=pint -b=guinness

(It would be similar to the Pizza Party utility advertised in another of /.'s stories posted tonight, except it would refill beer instead of ordering pizzas. The -b option would use a flat text file to map beer names to tap numbers for maximum convenience.)

Then, we could create a beer glass or pitcher monitoring daemon, beerd, which would invoke refill every time the pitcher empties, sending as the -b argument the name of the beer with which beerd was originally invoked.

I can see it already: U.S. Patent #287542384328092840234, Method and Apparatus for Refilling a Beer Pitcher or Glass Through a UNIX Command Line Utility, and U.S. Patent #234823084932842843492, Method and Apparatus for Providing a GUI Frontend to the Beer Refilling Command Line Utility. (The GNOME version would be called Geer, the KDE version would be called Keer, RMS would insist that names of beer should be changed to GNU/Guinness, etc.) And, needless to say, U.S. Patent #234823084932842843493, Method and Apparatus for Automatically Invoking the Beer Refilling Command Line Utility, After Optionally Displaying a Dialog Box that Reads, "Are You Sure You Want Another Pitcher, You've Already Had Ten Beers Tonight?" With The Yes And No Buttons Moving Around So The Drunk Can't Click On Them.

Then, we'll sue Darl for infringing on our patents when he's drinking his depression away after SCO crashes and burns. (What a waste of perfectly good beer.)

And as if this isn't enough, we'll invent Pay Per Drink, a system whereby you get a keg of Guinness and a tap installed in your home for free, and when you activate the tap, a charge will be made to your credit card through the Internet. Brings new meaning to DRM. But to make IRC conversations with your friends across the globe more interesting, you could download ebeerd, the Extended Beer Daemon, which would allow your friends to "buy you a beer" through the Internet, which would be dispensed through the tap at your house. Then, you can buy all your friends a round, from the comfort of everybody's home, with a single click. (GUI frontends for GNOME and KDE should be forthcoming for this one, as should a Jabber plug-in.)

Hmmmmmmmm... All this talk about beer, I need to get me a drink. Lucky I have some Guinness around. :-)

Guinness. Because friends don't let friends drink Lite Beer.

(Astute readers might notice that a long time ago, I didn't like Guinness and made a lot of posts where I said so. In fact, for a while, my sig even said something to the effect of, "George Killian's Irish Red. Because friends don't let friends drink Guinness." So what's changed? I discovered the difference between Guinness Stout and Guinness Draught. I stopped drinking Stout, started drinking Draught, and that fixed the problem. Now I drink at least a pint every night. Oh, and by the way, Irish Red is really, really good!!!)

first use of vinyl for software distribution - ever

dont forget them. first ever software distribution via vinyl

interaccess in Toronto is an amazing gallery.
The Seemen and SRL in San Francisco will blow your ass up.
xraylab in Seattle/Chicago/New York does some great interactive work.
Norm White has been kicking art/tech ass for since before you were born.
David Rokeby's work is totally amazing too.

Beige Programming Ensemble in Chicago/St. Louis/New York can make your Atari/C64 do backflips.

and for some amazing reading... Stephen Wilsons information arts book has no comparison.
rhizome.org is a pretty good site for all things art/tech (esp. web art)

And for validation by the mainstream art world check out the whitney's artport.

interaccess in Toronto is an amazing gallery.

The Seemen and SRL in San Francisco will blow your ass up.

xraylab in Seattle/Chicago/New York does some great interactive work.

Norm White has been kicking art/tech ass for since before you were born.

David Rokeby's work is totally amazing too.

Beige Programming Ensemble in Chicago/St. Louis/New York can make your Atari/C64 do backflips.

And for some amazing reading... Stephen Wilsons information arts book has no comparison.

rhizome.org is a pretty good site for all things art/tech (esp. web art)

And for validation by the mainstream art world check out the whitney's artport.

My favorite piece of multimedia ever is The 8-Bit Construction Set by Beige Records.

It's a vinyl disc, each side with parts for scratching, locked grooves, a ravy track and data track. You can record it on datasette and load it into your Atari or Commodore. There's a commodore side and an Atari side, each produced with the corresponding system. And the design is really sweet.

The interactivity is really great i'd say ... Of course 1024 times better than any "interactive" music program ever done in director or similar evil macromedia software.