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This looks like disinformation to me as well.

A poorly supported vote rigging story that is easily debunked leads takes away from the power of real evidence of vote fraud.

I'm going to repost this link to blackBoxVoting.org that someone else mentioned previously. Bev Harriss discusses in detail why this looks fishy.

Black Box Voting, a group researching voting fraud, is basically in agreement with you.
They are very concerned about stories like this that may derail public outrage from legitimate investigations to unrealistic conspiracy theories that are easily discredited.
They are looking for recommendations on migrating their forums to something more secure, and to a better service provider, since they have been compromised several times. If anyone on slashdot could recommend solutions to them, I think they'd appreciate it.

Blackboxvoting.org has a story regarding why this story sounds like disinformation.

See comments from Bev Harris of BlackBoxVoting on this here:
http://blackboxvoting.org/#feeny
and why this may be disinformation here:
http://onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120604Mad sen/120604madsen.html

Malarky. Having fewer voting centers would not guarantee fewer 'electronic glitches'. On the contrary, it could exacerbate the problems.

If you haven't checked recently, you need to catch up on what's happening in Florida. Also interesting is that apparently Keith Olbermann is under extreme pressure to lie about Bev Harris of BlackBoxVoting.org, likely by TPTB. Probably to discredit Keith and Bev as he basically in the only one in the media that had any fortitude to actually perform a proper media role in questioning the elections voting integrity.

Well, while you're mistrusting things, take a look at Volusia county's report on BlackBoxVoting. Seems that scoring negative votes for Gore last time wasn't enough for them, so this time they try to provide faked unsigned voter rolls and polling records that don't match the signed ones that BBV pulled out of the trash. Oops!

So tell you what, it could mean that the Democrats cheated the last two elections, or it could mean that the rest of the counties got bold from Volusia "it was just a fluke and its counted correctly now" County getting away with it last time without jail time.

Or, an alternate version: the Democrats conceded even though Bush stole the election so that Hillary (and Bill) could run in 2008.

Hillary could have run now. It's not like nobody ever dropped out of their current office to accept the presidency. She probably would have lost too.

The journalists all said they'd kill for a juicy election fraud story, but there was none to be found...not even one that might exist but have no "proof".

After twice calling elections wrong and getting letters from apparently reliable sources that turn out to be bogus, they're not going to jump on anything election related without proof written in stone and signed by God Himself.

Personally I believe that Bush did in fact win. But that does NOT explain away inconsistencies. Republicans are happy to claim that the Catholic Hispanics in Florida voted for them on abortion issues as if the Hispanics found religion just this summer and suddenly decided abortion was important. District-by-district poll/registration vs. count "statistical discrepancies" ONLY in paperless districts.

It does not explain away the Guilty-as-Sin behavior of the County of Volusia (nor the signed polling tapes that reflected different answers than the unsigned copy they were providing others). Hey, neat, thats the same county that gave Gore -16022 votes in 2000. What are the chances?

Like the topic says: Canadians vote by writing an "X" in a box on a piece of paper next to a party's name and sticking the piece of paper in a cardboard box.

All I have to ask America is: what's the fucking problem?

Why is electronic voting neccesary? That's a rhetorical question - it's NOT neccesary. I'm more wondering why people tolerate whatever the morons in power dictate. Wake up, you're getting fucked with.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ - Visit the site.. it's dedicated to revealing any truth behind possible (woops I mean 99% likely) election fraud.

"Black Box Voting has launched a fraud audit into Florida."

"Black Box Voting is also launching a fraud audit in Ohio."

"Black Box Voting is implementing fraud diagnostics on the state of New Mexico. Information we recently received is indicative of widespread vote manipulation."

"Black Box Voting is requesting legal assistance for a specific county in Georgia. Indications of corrupt voting processes, with possible criminal actions by local officials."

"Multiple irregularities. Need people to take affidavits from election workers, statewide."

Just view the page, and read it. Yup, democracy is still strong in the U.S. ...

But hey, don't take my word for it that fraud occured in the US... http://www.votewatch.us/ee/view_observations Just listen to what these thousands of others have to say about their voting experiences... There are some more fun stories here as well: http://www.michaelmoore.com/electionwatch/

Blackboxvoting.org says otherwise, and their most recent posting shows that there seems to be deliberate voter fraud going on. You don't refuse to show citizens the signed copies of the vote tallies and then try to give them ones that are unsigned that have different totals, and dump the original copies into the trash all by accident.

There's also this report and the report that shows a significant and consistent difference in voting patterns in counties using Diebold electronic scanning machines. That's three different sources confirming that something is wrong based on three different investigative measures. How different ways does someone have to show that the totals don't add up?

Bush won.
Not yet.

(I didn't vote for Bush.) Get over it.
Read the latest news regarding Florida machinations.

Who knows, it may even make the newspapers someday.

-- MarkusQ

There are a number of voting machine-related challenges on the national level. Ralph Nader has successfully requested a recount in New Hampshire, and groups like BlackBoxVoting are working on fraud audits. Also, in Ohio, the Libertarian and Green Party candidates are reportedly joining together to demand a recount. There are local challenges going on as well. {Jonathan}

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I've donated, and I'm an independent who voted for Kerry. I consider myself socially liberal & fiscally conservative. Right now, the Republicans are neither of those, so I voted Democrat.

While I don't like this administration, I do care about the integrity of the electoral process. At this point, I'm not even sure I'd want to see the result changed (because I think the Democratic party needs a major overhaul, and a victory here might do more damage to the party than it would help).

From what I've seen on blogs and forums, there's no real Dem party backing to this movement; it's people who care about their votes, and having their votes counted. People like Bev Harris (http://www.blackboxvoting.org/) and others, who are pushing the Greens & Libertarians to do the recount (precisely because the Democrats can't/won't).

I am somewhat frustrated that sites specific to vote error (fraud) are hard to find in specific catagories. Math, code, action, law etc... Don't get me wrong... /. rocks. I would just like to be able to find Evoting link sites without spending hours scouring the net... http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ and http://www.votersunite.org/ are doing a great job but if university types are going for the goods they need a clearer path... Any suggestions?

1. Method of entering and recording votes.
2. Storage and delivery of votes for counting.

Voting with electronic storage of votes can be compromised in step 1 even if the local election staff is doing their job perfectly well. The e-voting machine could be compromised by the manufacturer and depending on their security level, by anyone else who has access to them including a monkey as well as in step 2 .

Voting by verified paper ballots can only be compromised in step 2, assuming any physical safeguards that may exist, such as seals on boxes containing the ballots and people in charge who may not agree with rigging the election, are somehow circumvented.

An ideal system may sign the paper ballots with a cryptographic signature so that it could only be compromised if both the manufacturer of the voting machines and the local election staff are.

Certainly there are better systems than unverifyable insecure DRE e-voting machines which have been plagued with bugs, hacked by a monkey and reportedly counted more than 100000 votes incorrectly and how-many-more due to more subtle and difficult to detect errors.

Well I think there are a few things we can do to fix the system. The first is to reform the electoral college or do away with it. I personally believe that once we have a open digital system for voting, that we could do a straight popular vote for the presidency.
If that isn't possible, I believe we need to reform the electoral college. Giving two free votes to every state seems silly to me. It's a dated policy that gives people living in small states a bigger say in who gets to be president. It also makes it a lot closer to a popular vote as each district is fixed every ten years based on population. (I did some rough math and the results for this election ended up being the same, and actually split down the popular vote)
w0
PS check out www.blackboxvoting.org It's interesting to say the least.
PPS I for one welcome our new republican overloards.

The problem here is that CBS is confusing WRITING with JOURNALISM... I think that the only time writing can ever be called journalism is when you are writing about a first-hand experience.

That said, I think blogs are becoming the "new journalism", people writing from their own experiences and sharing that knowledge with others.

When was the last time anyone even heard of a reporter or news outlet investigating anything? Please prove me wrong, I'd like to be wrong in this regard, but I can only recall smaller outlets like the The Register doing it. Or people with a mission, like Black Box Voting.

Sounds extremely stringent to me. I feel safe.

As I said, the jury is still out on whether Bush stole the election, and the mounting evidence is still piecemeal and not yet worthy of a full blown pronouncement and story. In light of this growing evidence, it was way too premature for CBS to pounce on the blogs for reporting "incorrect numbers," for in this era of electronic voting it's going to take a lot of sleuthing to find out what the real numbers really are. But blackboxvoting.org is trying. Where is the CBS story on the massive FOIA effort of blackboxvoting.org?

There are some sites out there dedicated to watching out for election and general improper government issues: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/, http://www.buzzflash.com/, http://www.stolenvote.org/, http://www.truthout.org/

Electronic voting, while a neat idea to speed up the vote counting process, seems to have run into a number of glitches (over 1100 nationwide) this November 2nd. In addition to seemingly random problems in Florida [1, 2], Ohio [1], and North Carolina [1], there are allegations of systematic fraud based on statistical comparison of exit polls to final results in precincts with audit trails and those without. It is also interesting that in Florida, the voting patterns do not match the voter registration patterns as they do nationwide. This has attracted the attention of numerous civil rights groups including the Electronic Frontier Foundation that has filed at least two lawsuits since election day, and BlackboxVoting.org that has filed a Freedom of Information Act request to obtain computer logs and documents from 3000 counties and districts across the US. Equally disturbing is the fact that CNN has (since Nov 2) changed its exit polling results to reflect the actual results. This has attracted the attention of Congressmen John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, Jerrold Nadler of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida who have jointly requested that the GAO immediately investigate the efficacy of e-voting machines.

In case you are thinking that this is just sour grapes from Democrats who lost the election, think again. BlackboxVoting.org has been investigating e-voting fraud for years. Likewise, the CEO of Diebold, one of the e-voting machine manufacturers has been quoted as saying "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." And if that's not conflict of interest enough for you, Republican Senator Chuck Hagel (now resigned) is an owner of the largest e-voting machine company ES&S.

Other numerous problems have been found with the machines from nearly every company in the past [1, 2, 3]. Avi Rubin, a computer science professor at Johns Hopkins University, has been investigating such machines on his own and has found a number of security issues. Swarthmore students stood up to Diebold in November of 2003 after discovering

Electronic voting, while a neat idea to speed up the vote counting process, seems to have run into a number of glitches (over 1100 nationwide) this November 2nd. In addition to seemingly random problems in Florida [1, 2], Ohio [1], and North Carolina [1], there are allegations of systematic fraud based on statistical comparison of exit polls to final results in precincts with audit trails and those without. It is also interesting that in Florida, the voting patterns do not match the voter registration patterns as they do nationwide. This has attracted the attention of numerous civil rights groups including the Electronic Frontier Foundation that has filed at least two lawsuits since election day, and BlackboxVoting.org that has filed a Freedom of Information Act request to obtain computer logs and documents from 3000 counties and districts across the US. Equally disturbing is the fact that CNN has (since Nov 2) changed its exit polling results to reflect the actual results. This has attracted the attention of Congressmen John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, Jerrold Nadler of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida who have jointly requested that the GAO immediately investigate the efficacy of e-voting machines.

In case you are thinking that this is just sour grapes from Democrats who lost the election, think again. BlackboxVoting.org has been investigating e-voting fraud for years. Likewise, the CEO of Diebold, one of the e-voting machine manufacturers has been quoted as saying "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." And if that's not conflict of interest enough for you, Republican Senator Chuck Hagel (now resigned) is an owner of the largest e-voting machine company ES&S.

Other numerous problems have been found with the machines from nearly every company in the past [1, 2, 3]. Avi Rubin, a computer science professor at Johns Hopkins University, has been investigating such machines on his own and has found a number of security issues. Swarthmore students stood up to Diebold in November of 2003 after discovering

do you mean http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ or http://www.blackboxvoting.com/?

It is probably for the best to try to forget about it, and make sure that these stuff is fixed for the next election.

'Forget about it'? 'Make sure these stuff is fixed for the next election'? I heard the same in 2000 (Gore vs Bush) and in 2003 (CA, where the Austrian actor won).

Opinions like these show how much some value democracy. Personally, i find that value disgusting, and if only this would happen in my country i'd be a lot more active instead of writing columns about it although i have this itch of digging the illogic truth. Without these, and without explaining this skew, we'll never find out the truth behind it.

Besides my opinion about your statement, it is also factually incorrect since this particular case (2004 US election) is being researched by a non-partisan, non-profit effort btw. See Blackboxvoting.org. This research was planned before the outcome of the election. If you look at the forums you notice how they started collecting info on for example 26 october 2004. This indicates they're non-partisan and/or if they are partisan they expected something.

To quote the recent news, from 6 nov 2004:

SATURDAY Nov. 6 2004: A new story, with documents, is going up tonight. It is not about vote fraud. Those are coming. This one is about a certification situation that looks like -- well, you'll see what it looks like. Now, in the area of voting machine fraud, we have experts looking at very problematic information in several locations, but will not release it until conclusions are independently confirmed, hopefully within 24 hours.

Might sound a bit vague to you (or FUD?) but i'm surely looking forward to the details. On the forums, there are several details already. Also see the rest of the news on the website.

Make a donation to Blackboxvoting.org as they have just launched one of the largest, if not the largest Freedom of Information Act request ever. And those requests aren't cheap.

stolenelection2004.com
votergate.tv
Outrage in Ohio
Was the Ohio Election Honest and Fair?
Kerry Won
Shoplifting the Presidency?
Ultimate Felony Against Democracy

Surprising Pattern of Florida's Election Results
votes for party president versus voters registered
exit_poll(gif)
Florida2004chart

openvotingconsortium.org
verifiedvoting.org/eirs
electionprotection2004.org
The Rise of Open-Source Politics
cpsr.net

Presume once congress & the administration are aware to the purported problems they'll respond rapidly with "Help America Vote Act - II".

stolenelection2004.com
votergate.tv
Outrage in Ohio Was the Ohio Election Honest and Fair?
Kerry Won
Shoplifting the Presidency?
Ultimate Felony Against Democracy

Surprising Pattern of Florida's Election Results
votes for party president versus voters registered
exit_poll(gif)
Florida2004chart

openvotingconsortium.org
verifiedvoting.org/eirs
electionprotection2004.org
The Rise of Open-Source Politics
http://www.cpsr.net

Presume once congress & the administration are aware to the purported problems they respond rapidly with "Help America Vote Act - II".

Time to put the tinfoil hat back on, you paranoid pinko!

Seriously, someone has cast doubt. Blackboxvoting.org blanket the country with freedom of information requests on election night. They currently need $50,000 to complete the audit. I gave $100. Let's see what we can do together as slashdot.

I'm not exaclty a huge democrat and I don't want to see the results overturned

While overturning the current result would cause a lot of issues with people, the official counts have not been reported. Therefore, there is not an official result, just the preliminary counts.

It will be interesting to see what blackboxvoting.org turns up. Really how difficult is it to do some quick checks on the vote counts to look for irregularities on election night?

And http://www.blackboxvoting.org is looking for donations to investigate this. Please contribute.

everyone knew something like this would happen. its starting to be known. god (that i dont believe in) knows what's going to happen next...a few thousand more votes lost, especially in important swing states?

If we only hear about the minor problems, how many other problems are we not in the know about?

I'm not one who worships conspiracy theories, but what http://blackboxvoting.org/ talks about is entirely possible, on both small and large scales.
Actually, I don't want to know. Better to get the four years out of the way and then elect a more progressive president. (Sorry, but I'm a bit on the liberal side, seeing as how I'm almost everything that current republicans seem to despise and refuse to give rights to.)

Oi. There were a couple things I just have trouble ignoring...

I don't consider myself ignorant, and while most ignorant people don't consider themselves ignorant, I have had a fairly solid education with extra history and politics classes thrown in. I wasn't born rich and had to work up to and through college so I'm either the dumbest clod on the planet or I actually learned something about working hard to put food on the table. So that covers political, historical, and financial ignorance.

Almost by definition, you can't know you are not ignorant or naive. If there's something you don't know, well, you don't know, do you? Political awareness and a well-informed view of the candidates is not something they teach you in school. If a couple of politics classes are your basis for claiming non-ignorance, you may have just disproved your own point. The first step to reducing ignorance is to realize you have it, and will always have it. And to avoid the problems it causes, you've got to spend your life questioning, searching for unfamiliar ideas, and thinking the unthinkable.

I know I'm terribly ignorant. And though I try constantly to change that, my search has not led me to many answers. However, I've found something more valuable than answers -- good questions. The best I can ever hope for is to find progressively better questions.

On a sidenote: I'd like to thank everyone from moveon.org that went out of their way to skew the exit polls.

I'd like to thank the folks at Diebold for giving the world some idea just how broken and corrupt some of our voting systems are. The CEO of Diebold, a GOP fundraiser, promised to deliver Ohio to Bush. And then, curiously, the results were significantly different than the exit polls. For some background, the leaked Diebold internal memos reveal a great deal of error and corruption in their company and products. Hell, someone even taught a chimpanzee how to falsify voting records on Diebold machines. Doesn't that bring up some good questions?

...and blackboxvoting.org were the ones to discover it, back in Late August:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/78

Quotations from that article:

"The Diebold GEMS central tabulator contains a stunning security hole":

Submitted by Bev Harris on Thu, 08/26/2004 - 11:43.

Investigations Issue: Manipulation technique found in the Diebold central tabulator -- 1,000 of these systems are in place, and they count up to two million votes at a time.

By entering a 2-digit code in a hidden location, a second set of votes is created. This set of votes can be changed, so that it no longer matches the correct votes. The voting system will then read the totals from the bogus vote set. It takes only seconds to change the votes, and to date not a single location in the U.S. has implemented security measures to fully mitigate the risks.

This program is not "stupidity" or sloppiness. It was designed and tested over a series of a dozen version adjustments."

But I assume you all already knew this...

Note that the link at the top of the main page for credit card donations only accepts US addresses. If you are like me from another country that belives this election will influence us all, you can find a PayPal link here that will allow international payments.

According to an interesting thread over at democraticunderground.com, some pecular findings have come up from comparing exit polls and election results. According to the thread, several swing states and every state using e-voting without a paper trail (which has previously been shown to be vulnerable to tampering) showed a ~5 point disparity towards Bush. In every state which used e-voting with a paper trail, the election results matched the exit polls.

Considering the source, though, I'm taking this with a very large grain of salt, particularly because some peculiarities were hinted at in the exit polls themselves.

In order to show how easy it was to delete audit log records off of Diebold central tabultor computers, Blackboxvoting.org taught a chimpanzee how to do it.

Here in Chicago's 49th precinct I just got done standing in line for one hour and forty minutes. In the past I've voted in this precinct, and for both midterm and presidential elections I've never had to wait more than a couple of minutes.

Truly, the voter turnout is astounding, and the number of young people voting unprecidented. Eyeballing the couple of hundred people in line before and after me, I'd say between two thirds and three quarters of the people voting were under 30.

This bodes well for Kerry, assuming the Diebold Tabulators don't change a chunk of our votes to Bush (Not sure if they're used to count Illinois votes, but they are used in a number of states that are not using the Diebold touch screens, and the tabulators can be used to change tens of thousands of votes in a few keystrokes, simply by entering a two digit back-door code. All without a papertrail, and no way to effectively retrieve the altered data. Welcome to American Democracy 21st century style).

I'm blogging live today, as usual

The faulty log with 3 missing hours (9:52pm to 1:31am) is here

India conducted a full-scale electronic election earlier this year successfully - few of the EVMs were connected or hacked

I'm blogging live today, as usual

The faulty log with 3 missing hours (9:52pm to 1:31am) is here

India conducted a full-scale electronic election earlier this year successfully - few of the EVMs were connected or hacked

The user is "admin" and the password is "password". Just set the winner by state and percentage. There are a few bugs that make things unpredictable, however. Now that you know, I'm going to have to kill you.

I only wish that I was joking. Try this on for size:

The central servers are installed on unpatched, open Windows computers and use RAS (Remote Access Server) to connect to the voting machines through telephone lines. Since RAS is not adequately protected, anyone in the world, even terrorists, who can figure out the server's phone number can change vote totals without being detected by observers. The passwords in many locations are easily guessed, and the access phone numbers can be learned through social engineering or war dialing.

Unpatched Winblows, RAS, modems? Un-#######-believable!

As screwed up as this interface may be, I think the stories about the GEMS county level counting machines are much scarier. The county offices will all have no problem altering totals. It's so easy, I expect most election supervisors will cheat. I just wonder if there are more Democrat or Republican election supervisors across the country. http://www.blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov

...were tested in "test mode" versus "election mode".

Yes, I'm serious. There's a software setting on the touchscreen to do one or the other.

But that's OK, 'cuz the software in there is "certified" and subjected to code analysis by a test lab, right?

Oooops. Diebold withheld thousands of lines of custom code in the voting terminals from review by declaring it "Commercial Off The Shelf" (COTS) software. Under FEC rules, "COTS" doesn't need serious scrutiny...but Windows CE at the terminal is NOT "COTS" despite Diebold's assertions otherwise - WinCE is a "software kit" that needs to be "finished" (mostly core drivers like video, etc) by the hardware manufacturer.

Diebold.

So hide a couple hundred lines of code somewhere that checks for the "election mode" versus "test mode" flag...

For more on this WinCE issue including Diebold internal EMails discussing it:

http://www.equalccw.com/sscomments2.html

That's not even getting into how screwed up the central tabulator software is:

http://www.equalccw.com/deandemo.html

Ain't no WAY you can trust a Diebold system. Period.

Jim March
Member, Board of Directors, www.blackboxvoting.org

Not sure if these are used here, but this is an article on issues with the Diebold voting systems:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/?q=node/view/78

I have yet to see any evidence from any of the critics showing that even voting machines with no paper trail are any less secure than paper ballots in real world scenarios.

During all these discussions, you've never made it to http://blackboxvoting.org/? I consider machines that let real votes disappear to be pretty insecure.

Schwarzenegger has no Nazi ties other than his father.

Schwarzenegger can't shrug off his 1986 toast as a momentary gaffe. There was a long-standing relationship that continued well past the time when the full extent of Waldheim's association with Nazi atrocities had been documented. A more complete renunciation will be necessary.

Moreover, your insinuation that he "stole" the Governorship shows you to be a partisan hack and a sore loser, with contempt for the judgment of your fellow citizens.

Diebold
Hatch

I'll be thinking of you as I celebrate the re-election of George Bush three weeks from now.

You should look into the history of the Bush family and their Nazi involvement. Seriously. If you really care about America it is your patriotic duty.

Odd, http://fixingamerica.org/ DNS is broken, use http://209.150.130.116/ for now.

This is sure to get the Republicans riled up, especially in Florida.

I doubt the OSCE will be able to do much real monitoring here, but I would certainly welcome additional scrutiny on the paperless-voting side of things. (Obligatory link to blackbox in case anyone hasn't been there.)

I just read a Vanity Fair article on the situation in Florida and it was scary. There's an Acrobatification of it floating around... looks like the PDFs can be found here: part one, part two and... hmmm, I can't find the end bit.

My own informal poll shows a strong European anti-Bush sentiment, which we could safely assume will combine with this initiative to generate a certain kind of PR... mainly negative I expect.

It's a QuickTime!

Click Here to see her website!

I'd think with that in mind that little scripts are the lease of their worries. If someone compromises their network and server enough to install and run a script, they've got considerably more at their fingertips.

This story isn't news, it was linked from a Slashdot article weeks ago. Of course, you have to click through to part three to get to the part about the VB script, so I shouldn't be surprised if no one here acutally read it. Apparently the script has already been refined in preparation for the upcoming election, since it's gone from six to five lines.

While being compromised is certainly a risk, the big problem is someone with access to the district-level tallying computer. One politically motivated person involved in an election with physical access and a simple script or a two-digit code. That is not the "least" of my worries, it's the biggest one. Like most security hacks, it's the inside job that does the most damage and is hardest to defend against.

black box voting has 5 (!) different demonstrations on how easy it is to hack these things. There is also an online book (in PDF format) all about how bad the situation really is.

This is serious. Not only are they using a microsoft access (!!) database to store your vote, they are using a non-password protected access database.

Not only are they using a non-password protected access database, you can gain access to the .mdb by hitting a certain key on the touch screen and manipulating at will. Are we living in crazy world?