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Re:move on
http://www.bra.se/download/18....
2016 vs 2015, reported:
Sexual harassment: +21%
Rape: +13%2007 to 2016:
Sexual harassments: +71%
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Re:move on
The opinion piece from DN in 2005 is not data. Can you not tell the difference?
BRÃ... has the data and the "opinion piece" is DN cover of that data, the "cultural heritage" claim of it is likely made because adjusting the data for social and economical differences between the groups of people still doesn't put them on equal level. As for doing any such adjustment I just think that result in false values anyway because the reality is that the immigrants are employed less, work less, live on welfare more, have lower education, are mostly men and so on. The real outcome of them coming here include the effect of such factors because they are what they are. Their over-representation is higher than the data isn't adjusted and it's most of it remain even when it is.
The problem isn't the text in DN or "my failure to provide good links", the problem is rather that the data is so fucking hard to find.
This one is available as is likely what the DN text block is about:
https://www.bra.se/download/18...
It's of course a longer read than the DN piece.http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/nyh...
Lots of places contain the piece saying those with the highest over-representation is from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia, I've seen claims with specific numbers for them somewhere but that one is hard to find because there's so many places which bring up those four on this subject so I don't know what to google for to find the one with the actual numbers. But those numbers and those repeated claims must come from somewhere but I don't know where.
Sweden used to be a world-leader in statistics and it's nothing weird that we've had statistics of these things previously. Statistics people could access and share and make people understand how it was. By now the government however isn't interested in creating such reports over the statistics.
That I don't know how to find the number (Feel free to call BRÃ... since it's most likely from them and maybe they know, I just don't manage to find the original source numbers by a simple google search and within seconds / by visiting the first hit) doesn't make the data or claim incorrect. It just mean I don't know where it is.what were the confounding factors in the study?
Irrelevant and just an attempt to excuse the raw data. The immigrants are like they are. They aren't Swedes. Any adjusted data would be false data. And the thing is that even if you adjust it they won't be on par with Swedes anyway.
Sadly we've got Jerzy Sarnecki as researcher and professor in criminology who seem to be of his own political opinion and don't tell how it is and the data in the raw but have to mix in his own political views when "explaining" things ruining the Swedes understanding of these things.
The over-representation of being registered for any crime whatsoever was 2.5 times and when adjusted (= false) it become 2.1 times. In Swedish media, by people who wanna lie, by people like you, that result in claims that make it sound like that adjustment would make all the difference go away, like it even mattered if it did because THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE, the last time I heard about it in more serious media and not just a communist trolling on social media the claim wasn't that it was completely removed, just that "a large share", the larger share or the majority or something such was removed if one considered socio-economic factors, but that's not the truth, the truth is that it dropped from 2.5 times to 2.1 times, which is a difference but a small one not explaining the majority of it.
https://www.facebook.com/tino....
Had the fucking invading parasite plague which it is not been provided with help from the Swedish s -
Re:move on
That you consider it "racist" is irrelevanta. That's meaningless and it's still true.
That some idiot had the chance to moderate it troll is just sad.
As for data of course I have it:
http://www.dn.se/debatt/kultur...
https://www.bra.se/download/18... (Bilaga 4, table 1 and 2 page 61 and onwards for instance.)
This one doesn't have the country-specific data but I never manage to find the original source for it any longer:
http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/nyh...
The country-specific data maybe was put together by someone looking at their source data
https://www.flashback.org/sp57...
https://politifon.wordpress.co... (You need to consider the number of North-Europeans relative others in Norway for that one.)
http://gamla.hbl.fi/nyheter/20...
https://petterssonsblogg.se/20...I wouldn't make the claim if it wasn't true but it's never about truthness or the actual source for you guys because the only reason it's asked about is to discredit the claim. Even if it's true and out there and is a fact it will still be considered a worthless point because it's not ok to view people in that way, group them together, irrelevant because not all are sentenced, whatever.
The fact is still that for some nationalities the over-representation was over 20 times, for two (China and Malaysia or the Philippines or something such) it's actually below 1, sadly most of the asylum seekers to Sweden are rapefugees of those shit cultures.
We don't have any data for the 21st century because the government doesn't want any created which by itself kinda is data enough.
https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-o...
The rapefugee effect is obvious there, and there's the festivals and new year celebrations and such helping explain "why":
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyhe...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... .. and so on. -
Re:move on
That you consider it "racist" is irrelevanta. That's meaningless and it's still true.
That some idiot had the chance to moderate it troll is just sad.
As for data of course I have it:
http://www.dn.se/debatt/kultur...
https://www.bra.se/download/18... (Bilaga 4, table 1 and 2 page 61 and onwards for instance.)
This one doesn't have the country-specific data but I never manage to find the original source for it any longer:
http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/nyh...
The country-specific data maybe was put together by someone looking at their source data
https://www.flashback.org/sp57...
https://politifon.wordpress.co... (You need to consider the number of North-Europeans relative others in Norway for that one.)
http://gamla.hbl.fi/nyheter/20...
https://petterssonsblogg.se/20...I wouldn't make the claim if it wasn't true but it's never about truthness or the actual source for you guys because the only reason it's asked about is to discredit the claim. Even if it's true and out there and is a fact it will still be considered a worthless point because it's not ok to view people in that way, group them together, irrelevant because not all are sentenced, whatever.
The fact is still that for some nationalities the over-representation was over 20 times, for two (China and Malaysia or the Philippines or something such) it's actually below 1, sadly most of the asylum seekers to Sweden are rapefugees of those shit cultures.
We don't have any data for the 21st century because the government doesn't want any created which by itself kinda is data enough.
https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-o...
The rapefugee effect is obvious there, and there's the festivals and new year celebrations and such helping explain "why":
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyhe...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... .. and so on. -
Re: Leftisy government
You are right, so to reduce the rape stats, we should look at the countries with the lowest amount of rapes per capita, and learn from them. The bottom three are Saudi Arabia, India and Egypt.
Nice attempt of avoiding the subject and what's really happening:
Importation of people who rape crazy-much relative Swedes.
Sweden's high stats are because everything counts as rape
No, Swedish rape statistics are high because women here may report a rape offence and rape is a crime in Sweden, but also Sweden import more rapist / capita then any other western nation by far and those aren't Swedes and act like Swedes but rather continue or may even exaggerate the culture of their home land and hence rape very much indeed here which then get reported and that make the statistics go high.
That they rape like crazy is an well-known fact since long. The current government of course isn't interested in up to date statistics about that because
.. go figure. But we've got our own older statistics, we've got the statistics of our neighbour countries, we've got experience from reports when someone are sentenced and we've also got "far-right" (as in the only people who are right? Rather than extremely lying?) websites who conveniently go through the court cases and see and generate statistics from them.even things that in some countries aren't even crimes
That doesn't change that ~4 years of immigration make the women who say they have been victims of sexuality criminality triple. That's not reports to the police, that's not sentences, that's not law changes, that's just women who answer a question and much more often do so with a "yes."
Also, if the act is repeated, then it's counted twice.
Yeah, bla bla bla, too bad we've also got those inconvenient cases where people are actually asked.
Here's the source: https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-o...
Let the Slashdot readers draw their own conclusions.
Here, have a chart of the number of asylum-seekers too: https://www.migrationsverket.s...
Sweden used to be a world-leader in statistics about the population. Since the genocidal traitor regime doesn't want the results of their treason and actions to be revealed for the population such things are becoming more and more a thing of the past, just like the freedom of speech, Swedish innocence, women at cafeterias and outside with men, non-sexually-segregated schools and education, safety, trust against each other, trust of the government and so on.. But it's all good. Because we've got diversity. And that's awesome. Just look at all other happy diverse nations with their explosive cultures. Finally we've got our chance to become equal to them. Equality is good. Oh joy. If you think you deserve better than whatever citizen in the middle-east then you're a racist anyway. Everything need to become equally bad. Don't fix their societies; ruin ours instead.
There have been cases where the same person (often in couples or married) where charged with 50 counts of rape.
Yeah, there's also a shit-load of gang-rapes and assault-rapes from people the victim didn't knew since before, something which before was uncommon for Sweden. But let's ignore that and instead try to trick the reader that really nothing have changed and that it's completely safe to import lots of destructive asocial dangerous criminal rapists from the third world. Nothing will happen! They will instantly become Swedes as soon as they cross the border! Everyone on the subway in Stockholm is a Swede, some idiot have made that claim before so it must be true!
Finally, in Sweden, everything possible is done to make sure rapes are reported.
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Re:The real problem is ISALM
As a Finn that lives next to sweden, speaks some of the language and has some friends there I suspect your idea of what exactly is going on in Sweden is not accurate. Sweden has had and is having some immigration related problems which are caused primarily by 2 things: the way they handled the housing and education reform has lead to the rise of suburbs with predominantly immigrant populations. This has made integration harder, leading to higher unemployment which in turn generally leads to increased crime, especially organized crime. So gang activity in immigrant-heavy areas is up, similarly to the situation in some american inner cities, But crime overall has not skyrocketed.
I have friends that I've known since the 90's who live in Sweden, I'll trust their word that things are far worse today then they were then. Much like I would tell someone that Toronto is a complete shit hole compared to 20 years ago, and we have ghetto-enclaves appearing there where violent crime is going through the roof. Keep in mind that media actively discourages particular types of reporting. If you need a clearer evidence of that, look at Tim Pool and his recent trip to Sweden. If your country is suffering grenade attacks in public places, you have a serious problem. If a particular segment of the population is directly responsible for that, then you also have a problem. If it's directly related to an immigrant population, you have a very serious problem. Since it means that those people have: Imported their problems, refuse to integrate into society, are willing to use "olde world" responses to the same issues. And if these locations are enclaves? Then you likely have a serious social problem that is going to explode.
Now let's keep in mind that Sweden has scrubbed identifier information from violent crimes, rape, violent assault, this happened during a statistically significant upwards swing. Also keep in mind that clearance rates(the rate at which people are arrested and charged for a crime) from everything from those violent crimes against persons, to crimes against property and petty crimes are falling through the floor. That means that police are overburdened either due to a lack of manpower, and/or direct policies. That also means that people are less willing to report a crime to the police because they feel it won't be solved regardless of the circumstance of the crime. Or they feel that the justice system won't deal with an offender or they're going to be lenient towards the offender(s), so the person doesn't bother reporting the crime. Which can show "less crime" when there is an actual increase in crime. Now, Sweden's own crime reports says crime is going up. It doesn't what area of crime you're looking at, whether it be petty or violent. They've all gone up, the incidence rates of reported sexual crimes for instance have deceased from 25% reporting to 9% of victims reporting, that means there's a fundamental lack of trust in the justice system to deal with alleged and actual cases. Noting that from their own statistics estimated unreported sexual crimes have gone from ~160k/year to nearly 500k/year in a decade. That's not the : "The sexual act can be intercourse, but also other sexual acts because of coercion or other circumstances are serious offensive can lead to a person being convicted of rape." That's the violent assault of a person aka actual rape.
Well, I wouldn't say it's looking like there'll be a major 'backlash' right now. Even with the recent influx of refu
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Re:The real problem is ISALM
As a Finn that lives next to sweden, speaks some of the language and has some friends there I suspect your idea of what exactly is going on in Sweden is not accurate. Sweden has had and is having some immigration related problems which are caused primarily by 2 things: the way they handled the housing and education reform has lead to the rise of suburbs with predominantly immigrant populations. This has made integration harder, leading to higher unemployment which in turn generally leads to increased crime, especially organized crime. So gang activity in immigrant-heavy areas is up, similarly to the situation in some american inner cities, But crime overall has not skyrocketed.
I have friends that I've known since the 90's who live in Sweden, I'll trust their word that things are far worse today then they were then. Much like I would tell someone that Toronto is a complete shit hole compared to 20 years ago, and we have ghetto-enclaves appearing there where violent crime is going through the roof. Keep in mind that media actively discourages particular types of reporting. If you need a clearer evidence of that, look at Tim Pool and his recent trip to Sweden. If your country is suffering grenade attacks in public places, you have a serious problem. If a particular segment of the population is directly responsible for that, then you also have a problem. If it's directly related to an immigrant population, you have a very serious problem. Since it means that those people have: Imported their problems, refuse to integrate into society, are willing to use "olde world" responses to the same issues. And if these locations are enclaves? Then you likely have a serious social problem that is going to explode.
Now let's keep in mind that Sweden has scrubbed identifier information from violent crimes, rape, violent assault, this happened during a statistically significant upwards swing. Also keep in mind that clearance rates(the rate at which people are arrested and charged for a crime) from everything from those violent crimes against persons, to crimes against property and petty crimes are falling through the floor. That means that police are overburdened either due to a lack of manpower, and/or direct policies. That also means that people are less willing to report a crime to the police because they feel it won't be solved regardless of the circumstance of the crime. Or they feel that the justice system won't deal with an offender or they're going to be lenient towards the offender(s), so the person doesn't bother reporting the crime. Which can show "less crime" when there is an actual increase in crime. Now, Sweden's own crime reports says crime is going up. It doesn't what area of crime you're looking at, whether it be petty or violent. They've all gone up, the incidence rates of reported sexual crimes for instance have deceased from 25% reporting to 9% of victims reporting, that means there's a fundamental lack of trust in the justice system to deal with alleged and actual cases. Noting that from their own statistics estimated unreported sexual crimes have gone from ~160k/year to nearly 500k/year in a decade. That's not the : "The sexual act can be intercourse, but also other sexual acts because of coercion or other circumstances are serious offensive can lead to a person being convicted of rape." That's the violent assault of a person aka actual rape.
Well, I wouldn't say it's looking like there'll be a major 'backlash' right now. Even with the recent influx of refu
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Re:The real problem is ISALM
As a Finn that lives next to sweden, speaks some of the language and has some friends there I suspect your idea of what exactly is going on in Sweden is not accurate. Sweden has had and is having some immigration related problems which are caused primarily by 2 things: the way they handled the housing and education reform has lead to the rise of suburbs with predominantly immigrant populations. This has made integration harder, leading to higher unemployment which in turn generally leads to increased crime, especially organized crime. So gang activity in immigrant-heavy areas is up, similarly to the situation in some american inner cities, But crime overall has not skyrocketed.
I have friends that I've known since the 90's who live in Sweden, I'll trust their word that things are far worse today then they were then. Much like I would tell someone that Toronto is a complete shit hole compared to 20 years ago, and we have ghetto-enclaves appearing there where violent crime is going through the roof. Keep in mind that media actively discourages particular types of reporting. If you need a clearer evidence of that, look at Tim Pool and his recent trip to Sweden. If your country is suffering grenade attacks in public places, you have a serious problem. If a particular segment of the population is directly responsible for that, then you also have a problem. If it's directly related to an immigrant population, you have a very serious problem. Since it means that those people have: Imported their problems, refuse to integrate into society, are willing to use "olde world" responses to the same issues. And if these locations are enclaves? Then you likely have a serious social problem that is going to explode.
Now let's keep in mind that Sweden has scrubbed identifier information from violent crimes, rape, violent assault, this happened during a statistically significant upwards swing. Also keep in mind that clearance rates(the rate at which people are arrested and charged for a crime) from everything from those violent crimes against persons, to crimes against property and petty crimes are falling through the floor. That means that police are overburdened either due to a lack of manpower, and/or direct policies. That also means that people are less willing to report a crime to the police because they feel it won't be solved regardless of the circumstance of the crime. Or they feel that the justice system won't deal with an offender or they're going to be lenient towards the offender(s), so the person doesn't bother reporting the crime. Which can show "less crime" when there is an actual increase in crime. Now, Sweden's own crime reports says crime is going up. It doesn't what area of crime you're looking at, whether it be petty or violent. They've all gone up, the incidence rates of reported sexual crimes for instance have deceased from 25% reporting to 9% of victims reporting, that means there's a fundamental lack of trust in the justice system to deal with alleged and actual cases. Noting that from their own statistics estimated unreported sexual crimes have gone from ~160k/year to nearly 500k/year in a decade. That's not the : "The sexual act can be intercourse, but also other sexual acts because of coercion or other circumstances are serious offensive can lead to a person being convicted of rape." That's the violent assault of a person aka actual rape.
Well, I wouldn't say it's looking like there'll be a major 'backlash' right now. Even with the recent influx of refu
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Re:Sweden
Anyways, why bother with facts when you can use #alternativefacts, the latter doesn't even require any references.
You mean like the fact that actual "physical assaults" have gone through the roof? By nearly 1500% That's not the overly broad definition that people like trying to use. That's the definition that we'd use here in North America, meaning physical assault plus violent penetration. That the number of reported gang rapes has gone through the roof as well. Or that there's more cases of this type of garbage going on? One also can't forget that since they had that migrant surge and allowed all those people in, violent crime has jumped 300% Or that the swedish government seems to be scrubbing the backgrounds of the attackers out of crime stats or the media uses the "swedish men" claim when they aren't citizens, aren't naturalized, have no form of landed residence.
Those are facts. Much like the fact that the government leaned on the police and media in Germany to suppress the number of assaults during new years a few years ago. These are the same facts that Germany is currently facing, and France. It's why tour companies in Asia are telling tourists to avoid some Euro destinations because cities have become unsafe.
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Re: Good thinking
Get lost... Stop propagating the lies that everything is fine...
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Re:should be interesting
But it is somewhat amusing to watch the racists and the feminists fight over it,
If it turns out the "racists" are correct in some fashion [gatestoneinstitute.org], does that make them "racists"?
Fortunately for everyone but the racists, their claims are not even close to true. For example, the very prominent claim of a 300% increase in violent crime since 1975, does not seem to be born out by actual data, which seems to show a modest decrease in crime over that time period.
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Re:Who cares
You know what they say about lies, damned lies, and statistics, right?
Even the Swedish authorities state that the apparently high rate is due very largely to the fact that the legal definition of what constitutes rape is extremely broad compared to most other countries, and that the figures you refer to are not a reliable basis for comparison.
I've lived in Stockholm (~25% immigrants) for most of the last decade, and it appears to me that women here are generally much less afraid to walk home alone at night than in lots of other places I've been.
Sweden certainly has its issues, including some relating to immigration, but it is in no wise anything like what is portrayed in your scaremongering blog article, which is not worth the trouble of printing out to wipe my arse with.
BTW, I lived in Australia for some years as well, and I can see that your vaunted blogger also hasn't much of a clue about Aussie politics or society, either.
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Re:Are you saying that criminals don't exist?
I do have a big problem with people obscuring the truth, and thus far you've presented no compelling evidence to suggest the above information is untrue.
I can't since you don't read Swedish and obviously don't believe me who do.
All the above is media echo chamber from one police report. Even if you failed to link it correctly its this one.
Now, I'm not going to translate the lot for you, as you wouldn't believe it anyway, but just the first sentence sums it up quite nicely "I Sverige finns i nulÃget 55 geografiska omrÃ¥den dÃr lokala kriminella nÃtverk anses ha negativ pÃ¥verkan pÃ¥ lokalsamhÃllet". -> In Sweden there are at present 55 geographic areas where local criminal network are considered to have a negative impact on the local community."
That's as far as the "no-go" zones go.
Now, I'm not going to fisk the rest, because it's too tedious, but just as a "for instance": "Here is just one of many news stories on how police have to install shatterproof glass on their vehicles because they get rocks hurled at them whenever entering these areas". No, if you read the article, it says that due to the possibility of stones being thrown, the police responce busses (piketbussarna) have had shatterproof glass fitted. These are the vehicles carrying the special response units, riot police for example, that gets called in when things have gotten bad enough that its warranted (much like armed police in Britain). Again hyperbole. The offered citation doesn't actually say or support what "swedenreport" is trying to sell.
But like I said before, you're fishing in the wrong pond. There are "better" sites if you wish to keep this up.
If you're so concerned for the truth, then there's plenty of that to go around. One would think that with all this crime, drug dealing, shootings and IS supporters running rampant that would show up in crime statistics? Now, general crime statistics is a tricky subject since there's always the problem of what gets reported and how, so the usual proxy is to look at "homicide" i.e. wrongful death. That's a pretty useful statistic as dead people tend to show up in the statistics and are easy to count, and general crime tends to correlate rather well with violent crime, which correlates with people dying from it.
Here's the current count of "lethal violence" in Sweden. Since we have population of 9 644 864 at last count that means a rate of 0.9 per 100k inhabitants in 2014. This is including the last three years of gang shootings (that as you can see didn't even impact the overall statistics). That's better than almost all countries in the world. Including, I might add, Ireland.
So, by that token, it doesn't even matter that we have "no-go zones" then, as the people in them don't get up to much anyway... Police presence or not...
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Re:What did we expect?
Might just have something to do with the fact that (in the small country I live, 9M people) there were 25 926 reports of violence against women over the age of 18 in 2008. Add to that the 14 342 reports of sexual abuse (of which 5 466 were rapes) you get pretty close to the 41 447 reports of violence against men[1]. Of which the great majority is out of doors. While the majority of violence against women is domestic.
In my eyes this paints a pretty telling picture of how violence against women is used by men in their close proximity. Which is what I think about when I read 'her', but not 'him'. Which is why I (guiltily) laugh at the 'him', but not at the 'her'.
[1] bra.se
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Re:Google & guns
"It's not the people who want my property that worry me - it's what they're prepared to do to access the said property."
What worries ME is exactly that kind of thinking. Since you assume THEY are capable of hurting your loved ones, you justify killing THEM. That opinion in widespread form, and you can count on that anyone breaking into your house WILL be prepared to kill you, since they assume otherwise you will kill them.
You enter a bad circle and finally you end up with the middle-east, or for that matter the crime statistics of the U.S. with a homicide-rate of over 5.5%, compared to Sweden with 1.1% (for 2006).
Information Source:
U.S: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
Sweden: http://www.bra.se/ (authorative statistics-source for crime in Sweden. In Swedish, I think google translate will do a decent job). -
Re:That really sucks
The thing is you think you've met 2 people who killed people, you don't know how many you've come across in your lifetime. Furthermore, I don't socialize with people like that knowingly (Though I have been threatened with my life on a few occasions, even by a family member) but my thing is not an eye for an eye, because there are always going to be times where someone is wrongly accused of something as heinous as murder. My thing is it's wrong to kill someone, and it's especially wrong to kill someone out of rage. There are exceptions to this rule such as warfare, but I'm not talking about war.
I understand that there are plenty of people who come around and do some great things, even while in prison (Stanley Williams, for example), but those are the exception, not the rule.
On general crime and why I am ultimately skeptical, here's one link specifically about the situation in Britain as of December 2005. More convicts reoffend after release from jail, and another from Sweden check where it talks about reoffending. I know in my experience that this is the case far too many times, as well. YMMV, but I stick to what I say here.
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Re:Personally I'd think...
Im sorry but I cant post any links to those reports I got those facts from because they are just printed in ordinary paper. There are no digital versions of them, and if they were digital you could'nt read them anyway beacuse they are in swedish
;-)
But, but, if you really want to see some statistics you can visit our statistics site at the Criminal prevention Council but I warn you, it's all in swedish.
And besides, the guy who I replyed to was'nt including any links either, but you did believe him anyway (just because he said what you wanted to hear)...? -
Re:Personally I'd think...
Im sorry but I cant post any links to those reports I got those facts from because they are just printed in ordinary paper. There are no digital versions of them, and if they were digital you could'nt read them anyway beacuse they are in swedish
;-)
But, but, if you really want to see some statistics you can visit our statistics site at the Criminal prevention Council but I warn you, it's all in swedish.
And besides, the guy who I replyed to was'nt including any links either, but you did believe him anyway (just because he said what you wanted to hear)...?