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Treefinder Revokes Software License For Users In Immigrant-Friendly Nations

dotancohen writes: The author of bioinformatics software Treefinder is revoking the license to his software for researchers working in eight European countries because he says those countries allow too many immigrants to cross their borders, effective 1 October. The author states, "Immigration to my country harms me, it harms my family, it harms my people. Whoever invites or welcomes immigrants to Europe and Germany is my enemy."

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  1. What a dork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a dork

    1. Re:What a dork by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't always read the article but when I do it's surprising how many of the subjects are about raving lunatics.

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    2. Re:What a dork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you read the article and I don't have the time... Can I just ask quickly: on what grounds does he revoke licenses? Are payments returned? Did the agreement say that it is null and void if one of the parties fails to be sufficiently auslander-unfriendly?

    3. Re:What a dork by quonsar · · Score: 0

      yeah, what a shit-ingesting bilge sump.

    4. Re:What a dork by KGIII · · Score: 1

      He doesn't appear to be giving the money back according to his site itself. Add to that the rest is kind of insane gibberish. He states that those using his software in other countries are still doing so validly but others are not. However, it looks like it's free. It appeared to be free when I clicked the download link. He's kind of out there.

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    5. Re:What a dork by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I don't think there's any money to give back. I'm guessing he is from East Germany? He seems to have a strong pro-communist bias, and seems to believe that everybody should just be able to take what they want in exchange for nothing...so if we were to apply his philosophy to everybody, including himself, then anybody in the world can just use his software anyways, regardless of the license terms.

    6. Re:What a dork by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It looks available to download but, honestly, I haven't even given running it any thought, really. I'd have no idea what to do with it and I couldn't give an objective critique. He appears to be a straight up lunatic.

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    7. Re: What a dork by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      Yep.

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    8. Re:What a dork by segin · · Score: 1

      Socialism's great until you run out of other people's money.

    9. Re:What a dork by gzuckier · · Score: 1
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    10. Re: What a dork by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bla bla bla I'm a 9 year old dingbat...

  2. Oh, that's ironic by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Funny

    Racist gene sequencing software.

    1. Re:Oh, that's ironic by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Jawohl Mein Heir....

    2. Re:Oh, that's ironic by arth1 · · Score: 1, Troll

      75% of these so-called refugees are military age men.

      And that gives you a right to treat them with less respect?
      And to punish the 25% for the 75%?

    3. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Nobody is being punished except for the taxpayers who have to support your feel good bullshit.

    4. Re:Oh, that's ironic by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      75% of these so-called refugees are military age men.

      Thus giving them a particularly pressing reason to escape before one warlord or another drafts them. Or do you perhaps think ISIS/Boko Haram/whatever are staffed entirely with volunteers?

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    5. Re:Oh, that's ironic by rickb928 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sending them back to their nation of origin would work fine, and requires no killing.

      Of course, they are leaving their nations of origin largely because of killing there, But that is the problem that should have been solved.

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    6. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny that Stalin's followers should still be able to cause the death of the continent he hated so long after his own death.

    7. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The petition to cancel Oktoberfest is a fake created by someone attempting to aggravate tensions against the refugees which gathered far more attention than it deserves.

    8. Re:Oh, that's ironic by bickerdyke · · Score: 3, Interesting

      [citation needed]

      I never heard anything about that Octoberfest story from any serious sources.

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    9. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Twinbee · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Information is not racist in itself. If it turns out that gene research shows that some types of people are more intelligent or more creative than others, so what? Should we censor that? Heck, even people WITHIN a particular culture tend to be more intelligent, faster or stronger than others within that culture. That's not under doubt, but it's how we can act on that information that determines whether it's racist or not.

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    10. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "How about we relocate some ISIS scumbag next to your house or apartment?"

      According to TFA, Jobb not only hates European countries for letting those "refugees" flood in, but he also hates the US for fighting back agains the same set of forces.

    11. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately there are many people out there that refuse to believe there are differences in people or groups of people. Many outright refuse that there are differences between the genders besides the obvious parts, even with the proof there.

      Equal but different, that's a strength, not a weakness.

    12. Re:Oh, that's ironic by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      you mean only an anonymous coward would post such blatant bullshit and expect anyone to give them the time of day, don't you?

    13. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You're a racist, xenophobic fucknut who can't distinguish between refugees, immigrants and illegal immigrants.

      This is fairly simple to do, so you must be a fucking drooling idiot too.

    14. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uh, no. There is a HUGE difference between immigration and illegal immigration.

      Now, take your liberal head out of your arse and open your eyes.

    15. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why shouldn't they fight for the side that helps save their country? People did so in WWII.

    16. Re:Oh, that's ironic by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      75% of these so-called refugees are military age men.

      I'll bet about 75% of Slashdot readers are military age men.

      Makes you think.

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    17. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd swap any immigrant for you in a heartbeat bud. Any.

    18. Re:Oh, that's ironic by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If it turns out that gene research shows that some types of people are more intelligent or more creative than others, so what?

      So what is that we don't really have a very good or complete way to measure intelligence. And without that, "gene research" isn't going to be able to tell us anything like one race being more intelligent than another. There isn't a single way to measure intelligence that hasn't been used by racists to do or promote terrible things.

      Anyway...

      http://hauntedskeptic.com/wp-c...

      vs

      http://trailblazersblog.dallas...

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    19. Re:Oh, that's ironic by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sources, you racist idiot?

      There will be crimes and misconduct among refugees for sure. That is a statistical certainty when you have hundreds of thousands of people. But considering the hardships and unimaginable emotional stress that refugees have had to endure, I would say the vast majority of them are remarkably peaceful and calm.

      Almost haf of Syrian refugees have high school or university education. Also the vast majority of them are not interested at all in fundamentalist Islam, but are progressive and simply want to lead a free life of opportunity, like the rest of us. That's why they are coming to Europe. If they agreed with fanatics like ISIS they would join them and not walk over to the "enemy".

      The problem of morons like you is that for you every muslim is a fanatic, because all you hear in the news are associations of terrorism with Islam. In reality, the majority of muslims are normal people like you and me that want to live and let live. The Islamists are a much bigger threat and pain in the ass to them than they are for us, because they are the ones being killed and driven from their homes.

    20. Re:Oh, that's ironic by afidel · · Score: 4, Informative
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    21. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Herr

    22. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are the real refugees, not the ones that try to cross to Europe when they are already in a war free country.

    23. Re:Oh, that's ironic by sunderland56 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only a complete fucking moron would think that this mass immigration is anything but a future crime and terrorist attack in the making.

      Yep, mass immigration - that's what America is founded on. And look how it turned out.

    24. Re:Oh, that's ironic by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      And what side is that? There are two main factions but many groups: There is the government of Syria and the opposition. However, the opposition is composed of many groups including ISIL and other terrorist groups. I find it ironic that GOP members complained that Obama hasn't supplied arms to the opposition; they were complaining that Obama didn't arm terrorists.

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    25. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Makes you think about how many military age men are living in their mother's basements.

    26. Re:Oh, that's ironic by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 0
      Let me Google that for you.

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=immigrants+want+oktoberfest+canceled

      The second hit is a piece in the Wall Street Journal.

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    27. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of the people being driven out are Christians, not Muslims, as they face extra persecution, like the huge tax for being non-Muslim.

    28. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Cederic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sources, you racist idiot?

      I'm curious, what did the AC say that's racist or that suggests that they are?

      Stop throwing around emotionally loaded terms to try and avoid debating real issues.

    29. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      It only seems that way because they can't talk about it.

      http://www.dailydot.com/politi...

      Hey if nobody can say anything about it, it really doesn't happen does it.

    30. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would either be the former comblock countries in eastern urope, that have clearly stated that they don't have tbe resurces to help the refugees, or Greece, which doesn't have the resources to save itself.

    31. Re:Oh, that's ironic by devman · · Score: 2

      It also happens to be fake. Generated to stoke tension. The WSJ article you mention does not support your claim, it says nothing about immigrants wanting to cancel Oktoberfest.
      https://www.washingtonpost.com...
      http://m.snopes.com/ban-oktobe...

    32. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Aaron+B+Lingwood · · Score: 3, Informative

      The second hit is a piece in the Wall Street Journal.

      The piece mentions nothing of immigrants, Muslims, or anyone else filing a petition or calling for a ban.
      It does mention that Christian Conservatives want to exclude all immigrants from festivities and Bavaria in general.

      Having read ALL the first 20 links, it appears that the petition to ban Oktoberfest was submitted by the same Christian Conservatives and that all names and signatures were fraudulent. But I guess since these fraudsters aren't brown, we can now pretend the petition never happened.

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    33. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Apparently you have no idea what the word racist means.

    34. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what? International law says they have the right to be safe, not comfortable.

    35. Re:Oh, that's ironic by TyZone · · Score: 1

      Mr Trump? Is that you?

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    36. Re:Oh, that's ironic by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Racist gene sequencing software.

      And who is surprised the Racist's gene sequencing software is German.

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    37. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Yep, mass immigration - that's what America is founded on. And look how it turned out.

      Pretty bad, I'd say.

      But then I am a Cherokee.

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    38. Re:Oh, that's ironic by mi · · Score: 1

      75% of these so-called refugees are military age men.

      And that gives you a right to treat them with less respect? And to punish the 25% for the 75%?

      No, that gives me the right to question the motives of those, who attempt to shame me into helping them by portraying them all as helpless women, elderly, and children. Such portrayals are dishonest and thus any compassion they stir is based on a lie.

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    39. Re:Oh, that's ironic by pijokela · · Score: 1

      That may be true for the 4 million Syrian refugees that are mostly in the camps near Syria. The refugees that get smuggled to Europe are not all from Syria and do not share that distribution. They are mostly young men. During 2014 refugees from Iraq to Finland were 84% male. I cannot find statistics for 2015, but even the totally pro-refugee media admits that they are young men.

      It would be great if the refugees coming to Europe would share the balanced gender and age distribution of the refugees on the camps.

    40. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. Start with these fine upstanding people.

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    41. Re:Oh, that's ironic by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Why shouldn't they fight for the side that helps save their country? People did so in WWII.

      Because, my dear Anonymous War Hero, why the Hell should they? A country is not entitled to the lives of its inhabitants. If it can earn their loyalty, good; if it can't, and disappears as a result, that's just natural selection doing its job - and a cautionary example for the rest to be worth defending. But nobody should be looked down upon just because they had the bad luck of being born in one that isn't.

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    42. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So it looks like there are more single men than family with children who cross (a part of) the mediterranean sea, travel 1500 to 2000 km across Europe, using different transportation means. I wonder why... Oh, maybe because it's much more easier for them than for someone who has to carry a child with him?

    43. Re:Oh, that's ironic by garethjrowlands · · Score: 1

      Apparently you have no idea what the word racist means.

      That seems unlikely. Pretty much everyone knows what that word means.

    44. Re:Oh, that's ironic by SumDog · · Score: 1

      Everyone is so angry about immigration. You know how to stop the refugee crisis? Get Europe/US/UK government to STOP SUPPORTING TERRORISM! You ever notice how they don't interview any of the refugees on UK/IR news feeds? And when they do, they don't bother with a translator; just find the few who speak English and gave them 10 seconds of airtime.

      If you actually talked to them, you'd learn that not one of these "Freedom Fighters" or "Rebels" is Syrian. Almost all of them are being pumped in from outside the country and funded by the US and Europe. We've giving them guns to cause a regime change. Obama is saying the same things about Asad that Bush said about Hussein. It's 2003 all over again.

      Fuck this narrative.

    45. Re:Oh, that's ironic by sribe · · Score: 1

      In reality, the majority of muslims are normal people like you and me that want to live and let live.

      Also, the majority of terrorists in the USA are white, Christian, native-born citizens.

    46. Re:Oh, that's ironic by U2xhc2hkb3QgU3Vja3M · · Score: 1

      A country is not entitled to the lives of its inhabitants.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States

    47. Re:Oh, that's ironic by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I really despise idiots like you who trot this out like nothing has changed in the last 200 years....

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    48. Re:Oh, that's ironic by spire3661 · · Score: 0

      You do realize that every person born on American soil is JUST as much a native as you are, right? I am of America, i will live and die here, you have no more claim to the land than anyone else born here.

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    49. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Talderas · · Score: 1

      This figure includes 2.1 million Syrians registered by UNHCR in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon, 1.9 million Syrians registered by the Government of Turkey, as well as more than 24,000 Syrian refugees registered in North Africa.

      The 21.8% figure is useless since they don't count any refugees in Europe which is what this particular article is referencing. I did some searching on the site but I don't care enough to do a lot of searching and didn't find any demographic breakdowns for European refugees beyond a figure of 428,735 total Syrian refugees in Europe.

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    50. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Mantrid42 · · Score: 1

      Good to know that if your country were ever torn apart by brutal civil war, you'd just lie down and die.

    51. Re:Oh, that's ironic by TWX · · Score: 1

      One of the big problems that religions have is a failure to speak-out and act-out against those who do horrible things in the name of the religion. Not all religions suffer this all of the time, but basically all religions have suffered this at some point in their existence.

      It's further compounded when religion is itself not the actual cause, or when other causes that aren't religious are lumped-in with the religious cause, giving it weight. As an example, the systemic oppression of the Irish by the English for centuries that included far more factors than simply an Anglicanism versus Catholicism fight, which continued right up through the Troubles, where people that weren't even religious but identified with a religion used that religion as a vehicle to fan the flames of the fight, such that the religion was used as a wedge-issue to maintain the hostility among those who otherwise would be willing to accept peace.

      I think we're seeing a lot of that in the Muslim world. A lot of moderate Muslims are not working to stop the radicals among them because the argument of religion or of sect gives them pause, even though the violent radicals are not actually following the religion and instead are essentially using it to further what they happen to want to do, and to convince others to either help (ie, the useful idiots) or to at least not interfere.

      Unfortunately when religious sentiment is very strong in a region it seems to take relatively ruthless people to keep it in-check. When Iraq fell and Saddam Hussein was no longer being ruthless the floodgates opened. The same thing seems to be happening in Syria, where Assad has no power people are using their religion to justify their violence against others that have any kind of differing way of life or faith.

      The moderates are the only ones that can put a stop to it, but only if they're willing, at a grass-roots level, to do so, and if they're willing to stop their religious leaders when they get out of line. Until that happens this cycle will perpetuate or will require counter-violence (ie, like Hussein, Assad, et al.) to reign it in.

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    52. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Dear Off-topic Troll, that % does not apply to those that reach Europe.

    53. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Not to contribute to the racism of the programmer, but the Syrian refugees aren't exactly saints.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

      Throwing rocks at police for the audacity of refusing you entry to their country is no way to make friends.
      The police response seems pretty tame in comparison; rocks can kill, teargas just forces people to move.

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    54. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yep, mass immigration - that's what America is founded on. And look how it turned out.

      Yep, one of only a few countries where much of the population actually believe the Earth is 6000 years old, and fundamentalism is common.

    55. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Nyder · · Score: 1

      75% of these so-called refugees are military age men.

      I'll bet about 75% of Slashdot readers are military age men.

      Makes you think.

      I'm guessing at least 65% of these "slashdot military age" men are too fat to join the military.

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    56. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You do realize that every person born on American soil is JUST as much a native as you are, right?

      No they aren't. "Native American" doesn't have the same meaning as adding the individual meanings of "Native" and "American".

      In any case, I guess it's too late and we're stuck with you. We should have sent your ancestors back to Poland, Ireland or wherever as soon as the bastards landed.

      P.S. How many Syrians do you think we should take?

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    57. Re:Oh, that's ironic by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      citations? boston bombinb ft hood those are the biggest terroristic acts since 9/11 were they white and christian??? didnt think so

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    58. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Almost haf of Syrian refugees have high
      > school or university education.

      Almost half? Well, isn't that nice. I am from Norway, and the majority of the refugees we get here are uneducated, and many are illiterates. Most will never be eligble for a job here.

    59. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Noryungi · · Score: 1

      75% of these so-called refugees are military age men.

      And I guess 75% of your statistics are just pulled out of your.. err... back side?

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    60. Re:Oh, that's ironic by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      If you are talking about the author of Treefinder, hew is not German, he is Danish.

      And obviously he is an idiot as he claims his job is in danger by Syrian super coders with extraordinary knowledge about plants, genetics and trees in particular.

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    61. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Noryungi · · Score: 1

      Wait a minute... Oktoberfest has been cancelled? What planet are you from?

      Seriously, this is insane. You have no idea what you are talking about.

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    62. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Noryungi · · Score: 1

      Sending them back to their nation of origin would work fine, and requires no killing.

      Of course, they are leaving their nations of origin largely because of killing there, But that is the problem that should have been solved.

      And of course, the mass killings are happening because some nations (*cough cough* USA UK France, etc *cough cough*) have tried to do some ''nation building'' in the Middle East.

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    63. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Noryungi · · Score: 1

      citations?

      boston bombinb

      ft hood

      those are the biggest terroristic acts since 9/11

      were they white and christian???

      didnt think so

      Oh, I see. Well, there you go, enjoy. You are welcome.

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    64. Re:Oh, that's ironic by jmv · · Score: 1

      There a lot more variability between individuals then between ethnic origins. Sure, the Olympics have demonstrated that at very high levels, black people win much more often than white people at a 100m race. But pick one black guy and one white guy completely at random on this planet. What's the likelihood of the black guy winning a 100m race? I'd say about 50%. The variability across individuals is just too much. Even if you had a precise way of measuring intelligence and managed to prove with 99.9% confidence that people of origin X are on average more intelligent than people of origin Y, it would mean absolutely nothing at the individual level.

    65. Re:Oh, that's ironic by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      So your solution is to leave them in ISIS controlled territory so they can be conscripted? Brilliant.

      Fortunately the vast majority of the German people disagree with you.

      Try this:
      Replace 'Syrian' with 'Irish'
      Replace 'ISIS' with 'IRA'

      Now try making your argument. Finding it tough to discriminate against white people?

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    66. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Noryungi · · Score: 1

      Only a complete fucking moron would think that this mass immigration is anything but a future crime and terrorist attack in the making.

      Yep, mass immigration - that's what America is founded on. And look how it turned out.

      Well... On the other hand, there was George W. Bush. But he was not an immigration problem, the following is a better definition of the problem he represented:

      “As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
        H.L. Mencken

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    67. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Noryungi · · Score: 1

      Yep, mass immigration - that's what America is founded on. And look how it turned out.

      Yep, one of only a few countries where much of the population actually believe the Earth is 6000 years old, and fundamentalism is common.

      And please don't forget that the jury is still out on the Earth being round. And where is Obama birth certificate anyway? Dinosaurs? Who needs stinking dinosaurs? Etc... etc... etc... Ad nauseam.

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    68. Re:Oh, that's ironic by butchersong · · Score: 1

      A hate group is not a terrorist organization.

    69. Re:Oh, that's ironic by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      lol southern poverty??? they are a hate group IMO so if they consider a group a hate group, i take it with a grain of salt not only that but hate group != terrorist

      now that we established that you know how to google and wiki, show me some actual examples where something like ft hood or the boston bombing has happened, in the name of christianity, in this country

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    70. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But considering the hardships and unimaginable emotional stress that refugees have had to endure, I would say the vast majority of them are remarkably peaceful and calm.

      There's a big difference between "remarkably peaceful and calm, for someone used to living in a war zone" and "average-level peaceful and calm, for someone living in a prosperous Western nation". I would be highly surprised if there wasn't a greater incidence of violence among refugees, even after controlling for age, wealth and education (which, arguably, we should include in this calculation anyway). Of course, I'd welcome any statistics demonstrating otherwise.

    71. Re:Oh, that's ironic by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      you sure about that? because in the past 8 years it seems disagreeing with someone who is not the same color of you is racist. at least if you believe the whitehouse and MSNBC

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    72. Re:Oh, that's ironic by sribe · · Score: 1

      citations? boston bombinb ft hood those are the biggest terroristic acts since 9/11 were they white and christian??? didnt think so

      I neither said biggest, nor since 9/11. I said most.

      Notable and contemporary: Kaczynski, McVeigh, Nichols, Rudolph, Page, Dorner...

      Less well known: a whole lot, actually--but if you don't want to read the whole thing, consider just the Aryan Nations and KKK...

    73. Re:Oh, that's ironic by sribe · · Score: 1

      A hate group is not a terrorist organization.

      True, although it's a decent starting point because there's so much overlap. Here's a better reference.

    74. Re:Oh, that's ironic by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      They tried. They lost. Get over it.

      Stone age people trying to send home steel age people was never going to work out well for them.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    75. Re:Oh, that's ironic by grcumb · · Score: 1

      No, that gives me the right to question the motives of those, who attempt to shame me into helping them by portraying them all as helpless women, elderly, and children. Such portrayals are dishonest and thus any compassion they stir is based on a lie.

      Well, I can't speak for the motives of those speaking in defence of refugees, but I suspect that the motivation for the large number of young men running away is that they don't want to be caught in the crossfire by groups that either enlist or kill every single military-age man just because.

      You know, like what happened in that foreign outpost named Srebrenica—Oh, hang on... that was Europe.

      --
      Crumb's Corollary: Never bring a knife to a bun fight.
    76. Re:Oh, that's ironic by sribe · · Score: 1

      citations? boston bombinb ft hood those are the biggest terroristic acts since 9/11 were they white and christian??? didnt think so

      And good grief, I forgot Dylann Roof.

    77. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I recently travelled from Munich to Australia, via Abu Dhabi. The leg from Munich to Abu Dhabi was full of UAE citizens (ie, mostly Muslims) returning from Oktoberfest.

    78. Re:Oh, that's ironic by mi · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, I can't speak for the motives of those speaking in defence of refugees

      Well, I can — and did. They are picking out "poster children" and lying to the rest of us by implying, the sample they picked is representative. It is not.

      the motivation for the large number of young men running away [...] either enlist or kill every single military-age man just because

      Those same assholes, who'd impress into service or kill men, would also rape women and/or sell them into slavery (pre-pubescent once included) — so that motivation does not explain the lopsided statistics... If these crowds really feared persecution, they would've contained entire families. Since they do not, the young men must be motivated by economic prospects, not danger.

      But I don't blame the people wanting to move to a better-run country in the slightest. I am an immigrant myself.

      Yet, I do not believe, the countries they chose have any obligation — neither legal nor even moral — to take them. And for those, who are so accepted — out of kind compassion (even if based on the above-discussed lie) — to seek changes to their new country (in particular to demand women be dressed a certain way on pain of rape) is an outrage. Maybe, their children will be entitled to vote for changes, but their own responsibility is to be appreciative and supportive of their new countries just as they found them.

      It is this outrage, that is the motivation of the man in TFA, and I understand him very well.

      --
      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    79. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFAIK not too well for the people who lived here before the immigrants showed up.

    80. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet when the stone age people arrive in steel age countries, you have to let them in and give them a house, or your a howwid wacialist.

    81. Re: Oh, that's ironic by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      If I understand correctly, the country they came to first was Turkey. By international law, Turkey is obliged to let them stay if they are truly refugees. Turkey is not allowed to simply let them pass through to wherever they think they can get the most benefits.

    82. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eric Rudolph bombing the Olympics in Atlanta and various abortion clinics, for one.

    83. Re:Oh, that's ironic by ultranova · · Score: 1

      A country is not entitled to the lives of its inhabitants.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States/

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    84. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should take a lot of them, Historically immigration has led to economic growth in the U.S.

    85. Re:Oh, that's ironic by rakslice · · Score: 1

      If stone age people turned up in my steel age country I'd gladly trade them my house for their time machine.

    86. Re:Oh, that's ironic by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Of course they want Octoberfest cancelled. You don't need a reference for that, it follows on from their actions and their behaviours in communities around the world, such as forcing pubs to close and even wanting to create whole dry regions in suburbs of the UK because it's at odds with the community.

      Even the Mayor of Rotterdam in the Netherlands who is a muslim as well was on the record saying that migrants need to assimilate or they can "fuck off", the quotes were his words. It was on free speech in that case, but the point is the same. A lot of muslims come to the west in search of a better life, but are selective on what they think is better: make more money, yes, freedom of religion, no.

      I say a lot. I don't say most. I don't say all. I would actually go on to say that most are no problem what so ever. But if you put any kind of group think in an enclosed space that space will take on all the ideas from that group, such as throwing 4000 refugees in a camp next to a small town.

    87. Re:Oh, that's ironic by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Ok, that's what average Mohamedd Sixpack would want.

      But that's I want to win the lottery and wars to end. There's a slight difference between what people would want and an official demand from someone who could be taken seriously.

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      bickerdyke
    88. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, whilst I support allowing immigrants fleeing strife in Syria and such into Europe, I do think there's a pronounced attitude difference between those immigrants, and say, the mass immigration we saw from those fleeing Nazi Germany to places like Britain and America in World War II.

      In World War II, those fighting age men saw their emigration to places like Britain as a temporary thing, they saw it as a place they could go for refuge whilst being willing to train to deploy to fight to take back their country. This doesn't seem to be true of the current batch of middle eastern immigrants - most seem to want to move for economic reasons, rather than simply because of the dangers.

      So whilst I'm happy to see these people taken in and given refuge, the Syria problem still needs sorting, we still need boots on the ground to take back the country from groups like ISIS one way or another, and I think these folks should be part of that.

      We didn't in World War II all just pack up and say "Okay Hitler, you have Europe. America is richer with better standards of living anyway so we're all off there!". No, Europeans from across the continent regrouped and retook their countries one by one.

      Thus, I think giving shelter to these folks and their families shouldn't be the end of the story, I think we should make sure they're willing to also work to take back their country - and we should stand side by side with them in doing that, giving them the support and training they need. Simply saying "Yeah, come in" and leaving it at that doesn't solve the underlying fact that there are genuine evils in Syria and Iraq that must be dealt with before their acts are restricted not just to Syria and Iraq.

    89. Re:Oh, that's ironic by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      The point is you have no special claim over the land above any other modern human born here. We are of the same land. I have every right to it as you do regardless of the terms you use.

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      Good-bye
    90. Re: Oh, that's ironic by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Turkey is obliged to let them stay if they are truly refugees.

      They are not obliged to hinder them from leaving, though.

      And European countries have some agreements too, where the outer border countries can offload some of the burden on other countries, as agreed on.

    91. Re:Oh, that's ironic by niftymitch · · Score: 1

      75% of these so-called refugees are military age men.

      I'll bet about 75% of Slashdot readers are military age men.

      Makes you think.

      This assertion needs data.
      Perhaps a /. poll. But first define military age.

      "As a last ditch effort to stave off defeat in October 1944, all males aged 16 to 60 were required to join the Volkssturm, or Home Guard."
      http://histclo.com/essay/war/w...
      The implication here is that 25% are over 60 and under 16 and this is just conscription.

      In the US enlistment has bounds but once in service age can be as old as
      they wish as long as they can meet standards. One reserve unit doctor is 66.
      http://dopma-ropma.rand.org/re...
      " Mandatory retirement age is age 62 for all officers other than general or flag officers. Service Secretaries may defer the retirement of health professional officers and chaplains until the age of 68."
      So 68 is a US military upper bound ... and I assert less than 25% of /. is over 68 but I could be wrong.

      --
      Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
    92. Re:Oh, that's ironic by qfman · · Score: 0

      America turned just fine... But America has been in an exponential decline since the passage of the 17 amendment. The 17th makes DC a centralized clearing house for corruption ans senators now report to the highest bidder instead of a hand full of people in there state legislator who had a real interest in maintaining there own share of power.

      --
      They who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
    93. Re:Oh, that's ironic by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Indeed the problem is that a few of the vocal minority are taken seriously by the otherwise pleasant majority which results in them being in the news constantly. Seriously there was a rally in my country recently due to the council denying a request to let them build a Muslim only school. This is the kind of integration that hits the news.

      Whether integration issues seriously are a problem or not doesn't change the fact that by-n-large it is perceived by the general population to be a major problem.

      Also that distinction is not really as clear as you may think. The mere raising of the issue even unofficially is enough to cause unrest and make people pass judgement, so really it doesn't matter if a formal request came through an official channel.

    94. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      So what is that we don't really have a very good or complete way to measure intelligence. And without that, "gene research" isn't going to be able to tell us anything like one race being more intelligent than another.

      And even if we ever did, it means nothing. A genius that happenst to belong to a certain "race" is a genius, regardless if every other member of that race is not.

      Love the links - Me share too!

      Here's a smart little bundle of joy:

      http://www.liberalamerica.org/...

      Old Poopypants Patriot is obviously smarter than this little lady in England who just started University at ten years old

      http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnne...

      Then again, maybe not.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    95. Re:Oh, that's ironic by stoatwblr · · Score: 1

      "Sending them back to their nation of origin would work fine, and requires no killing."

      In the case of Syria, no matter which side the civilians come from, there's generally not much to go back to.

      http://www.independent.co.uk/n...

      People don't usually risk their lives going somewhere unless where they're coming from is pretty awful.

    96. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that simple? Can you tell? What happened after ww2 how many SS got away pretending to be refugees? You have no idea do you.

    97. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Oi. Don't forget the other end of the nerd BMI spectrum: some of us are too scrawny to join the military.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    98. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      It's not just your end I'm sorry to say, down here in the Antipodes the same bullshit thinking abounds. Also, facts and statistics that include people who are brown of skin are intrinsically racist if brown people happen to dislike said facts or statistics. Often it is people with white skin that are the loudest accusers.

      These people have become far too intellectually dishonest to even be worth engaging in debate.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    99. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, right. Because the Middle East hasn't been acting ape shit since before the good prophet dropped a turd called the Koran there.

      That areas always been relatively hostile. Long before nation building was a thing.

    100. Re: Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here isn't overlap until someone performs an act of terrorism. You might want to reframe your view on the concept of terrorism and what a terrorist actually is. Somebody acting like a terd and saying something you don't like doesn't count.

    101. Re:Oh, that's ironic by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      There are basically 3 choices in Syria; side with Iran and restore Assad's Shiite reign of terror. Side with ISIS and institute a new, Sunni reign of terror. Of support one of the "moderate" rebel groups, who wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hell even if they all got together.
      So I can't blame Obama for taking a "I don't need this crap" attitude. Let the world's Sunni terrorists turn their sights on Russia for a while when Putin starts bombing ISIS.

      --
      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
    102. Re:Oh, that's ironic by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      "How about we relocate some ISIS scumbag next to your house or apartment?"

      According to TFA, Jobb not only hates European countries for letting those "refugees" flood in, but he also hates the US for fighting back agains the same set of forces.

      My reasons:
      (1) I want to protest against American imperialism, which I regard as the cause of most of all evil in the world: wars, tyranny, poverty, migration.
      (2) I want to protest against EU tyranny, which is mostly the result of US imperialism.
      (3) I want to demonstrate my sovereignty, something I would welcome to see much more often in science and politics.
      In particular, I dislike that the USA and the EU aggressively promote a way of life that conflicts with my own way of life. I dislike the flood of immigrants they caused to come here - come here to replace unprofitable Europeans like me.
      After so many years of hard work on TREEFINDER, I have still not been paid any reward.
      I want to stress that this license change is not against my colleagues in the USA, but against a small rich elite there that misuses the country's power to rule the world.
      The USA is our worst enemy. I have collected many links to background information, including some in English language, here.
      http://www.treefinder.de/

      --
      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
    103. Re:Oh, that's ironic by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      The petition to cancel Oktoberfest is a fake created by someone attempting to aggravate tensions against the refugees which gathered far more attention than it deserves.

      http://nypost.com/2015/04/03/c... damn immigrants!!!

      --
      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
    104. Re:Oh, that's ironic by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      The second hit is a piece in the Wall Street Journal.

      The piece mentions nothing of immigrants, Muslims, or anyone else filing a petition or calling for a ban. It does mention that Christian Conservatives want to exclude all immigrants from festivities and Bavaria in general.

      Having read ALL the first 20 links, it appears that the petition to ban Oktoberfest was submitted by the same Christian Conservatives and that all names and signatures were fraudulent. But I guess since these fraudsters aren't brown, we can now pretend the petition never happened.

      I see it now.
      Monday "Conservatives ban immigrants from Oktoberfest"
      Tuesday "Muslim alcohol-hating immigrants boycott Oktoberfest"
      Wednesday "Conservatives demand compulsory Oktoberfest attendance from immigrants"

      --
      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
    105. Re:Oh, that's ironic by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Yep, mass immigration - that's what America is founded on. And look how it turned out.

      Pretty bad, I'd say.

      But then I am a Cherokee.

      Go back where you came from!

      --
      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
    106. Re:Oh, that's ironic by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you can always scrape the bottom of the barrel, but you'd ideally want people in their early twenties for front line infantry service.

      Those of us that had a force consisting almost entirely of national service men, in Sweden for example the military age was between 18 and 47. At 47 you were transferred to the civilian service. Of course a troop of forty year olds is considered a C-line troop and used only for rear guard duties. (Professional officers can of course be older.)

      So while needs must, past 35 you're on average not much good to anyone in front line service.

      --
      Stefan Axelsson
    107. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black and White 'eh?

      So there's Syrian government and Opposition. Nothing more. Disregarding that ISIL fights against Syrian government, the opposition and Kurds from the north. While Syrian government fights ISIL, Opposition and Kurds. Not quite sure how the Opposition thinks of Kurds, but the Opposition fights against ISIL and Syrian government.

      There is not just two groups in there, there are pretty much four major players, each with their own sub-factions with their own wants and needs. This is why we can't just go to Syria and 'help' them. We don't know who the 'good' guys are.

      TL;DR: There are more than two main factions in there. Such chaos.

    108. Re:Oh, that's ironic by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Cultures are in ages. No time machine required.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    109. Re:Oh, that's ironic by niftymitch · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you can always scrape the bottom of the barrel, ....

      And the age for cyber-war?
      Most interesting cyber abuses are at both ends of the boot chain.
      A generalization is that the old guys understand boot code and drivers better
      than the kids. Old guys have seem stuff fail more than any new kid so
      the old guys might be more defensive programmers.

      And then there is SciFi stuff that is perhaps to be true next week.
      https://www.goodreads.com/seri...

      --
      Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
    110. Re:Oh, that's ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember NOT all Muslims are terrorists BUT all terrorists are Muslims.

    111. Re:Oh, that's ironic by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      And the age for cyber-war?

      That's an interesting question. Wasn't there analysis of the Stuxnet-code that suggested that parts of it was decidedly old-school? At least suggesting that it wasn't written by spring chickens...

      But yes, in general one could probably argue that in info war circumstances age with comensuarte knowledge and wisdom could be an asset. It's not all staying up around the clock for days on end (something those of us nearing fifty are decidedly not as good at any more... :-))

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      Stefan Axelsson
  3. What an ass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Enough said!

  4. Who cares by war4peace · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA it looks like Jobb is a racist asshole and his Treefinder software is outdated and has plenty alternatives.
    Looks like a drama queen thing.

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    ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    1. Re:Who cares by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He might be an asshole, but I'm not surprised to see reactions like these to the immigrant crisis. I see them more and more often around me as well (I am from Europe). And it might get a lot worse, already we're seeing arson and threats of violence against refugee centers.

      The reason is simple: the fears and objections of Europe's citizens have been completely ignored. If a refugee center opens up in your neighborhood, you will experience an increase in crime and nuisance. The people in a village with 500 inhabitants fear the influence that a nearby center for 6000 refugees will have on their community. And a sizable portion aren't refugees or even from Syria; they left their own save homes to find a better life, and look for countries with generous welfare packages. In the Netherlands, the refugees already have had a serious impact on housing. Municipalities are obliged to give priority to people with an asylum status, which means they jump to the front of the queue for social housing. The waiting time for a regular family without priority is now 7-8 years I believe, with some larger cities having a waiting list of 14 years.

      Some of the fears are unfounded and the objections unreasonable, and the harsh reality may be that we will have no choice but to put these migrants up somehow, somewhere. But the problem is that in the political climate it is impossible to even begin that discussion To ask what the cost of this immigration is, what the impact is, to question the motives of some of the immigrants, to demand that we finally get some sensible and well organized way of dealing with the immigrants instead of pancking at the last minute and putting them up in tents, or to demand that along with a generous welcome for the true refugees comes a program to actively screen and evict people who have no business here and to deter them from coming in the first place. Those questions get you branded as an unfeeling nazi, a racist, or worse. This discussion is carefully avoided by politicians and the media alike. Instead, we hear only the good news: these immigrants bring important skills, they bring wealth instead of costs, they will not alter our society for the worse, they are not terrorists, and they will generate jobs for us too. Meanwhile the actual problems are unacknowledged and thus not addressed.

      An increasing number of people are starting to feel the pressure from increased immigration firsthand, and they are completely abandonded by their representatives. Immigration in the face of an emergency doesn't have to be a problem for the locals: when the government organize things well, are open and honest about what is going to happen, do what they can to alleviate any nuisances, and take complaints seriously, then you see the locals putting up with any troubles that remain. If however you ignore valid complaints, and brand any naysayer as sub-human white trash, then desperate people will lash out. In increasingly violent ways. And they will lash out against the refugees as well, which is the last thing they need.

      That is my main worry. Not the immigration itself, but the unbelievable way that my government and Europe are handling this, or rather: not handling it.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    2. Re:Who cares by orzetto · · Score: 4, Informative

      I worked for a few years at a Max Planck Institute (not the same one as Jobb), and I remember he sent occasionally racist rants to all email recipients in all institutes, in which he lamented that the foreigners were taking his job. The rants were so logically inconsistent they looked like a crossing of Time Cube and the Unabomber Manifesto.

      More than racist, which he is, the guy is psychologically unstable; the archetypal mad scientist.

      --
      Victims of 9/11: <3000. Traffic in the US: >30,000/y
    3. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know it's hard to see your viewpoint from the US (which I assume you're from), but many in Europe do indeed feel that we're being bombarded. Near where I live in the UK and even London, I feel like a stranger in my own country, where whites are nearly a minority. Multi-culturalism has failed, and bringing more immigrants in will not make things better.

      I'm scared that these quotas won't stop coming. Instead of the variety in the races, in the long run, we'll only have a single EU race, where the original cultures are lost and where there's no white skin, or black skin anymore (the latter is less likely as they're coming into the EU not vice versa). I also think that some cultures are less advanced than others and that the less advanced ones may dominate over time, and set us all back decades or even centuries. Africa's population is set to quadruple apparently (here's an article and the source), and that would be the final nail in the coffin if we were just as open then.

      There is an alternative, and that is to let a billionaire look after them as he's promised to buy them an island and give them the essentials including education. He just needs the governments' permission.

    4. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " If a refugee center opens up in your neighborhood, you will experience an increase in crime and nuisance"
      Got anything but anecdote to back that up?

    5. Re:Who cares by dave420 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fears and objections have been largely ignored for both those wanting to accept refugees and those not. A refugee centre opened up in my neighbourhood (our city of ~275k has about 6 the last I heard) and nothing happened. Sure, you see a few people walking around, but that's it. No crime wave. No disturbances. You might want to demote your "will" to "might", as clearly it's not a certainty.

      Claiming economic migrants just want good benefits is a disgrace, as you are attempting to cast them all as acting in poor faith. Most want to work, just as most people who are born in Europe want to work. Some will want to sponge off and do nothing, just as some Europeans do. Generalising so much about a group of people you clearly don't know much about is pretty much the definition of a xenophobe.

      I think it's perfectly suitable to brand someone making horrible, vague statements about foreigners as a xenophobic muppet, as that's what they are.

    6. Re:Who cares by radja · · Score: 2

      The fears have NOT been ignored, rather, the pro-immigration standpoint has been completely ignored in mainstream media. Voicing that opinion leads not only to being called 'naive', or 'traitor', but also to physical threats. The problem is the rise of the extreme right, but that is not a problem that you are allowed to point out in much of europe, including the Netherlands where I live. I had a refugee center in my street. I did not notice a difference when it opened, and did not notice a difference when it closed.

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      No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
      --Sheikh Abd-Al-Kadir, 1587
    7. Re:Who cares by gay358 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not only the housing but costs for providing social security is unsustainable with the current flow of asylum seekers. It doesn't take more just few years and even 100 % taxation wouldn't be enough to provide social security for these asylum seekers. Although some of the asylum seekers may be able to find jobs, the traditional levels of employment have been very low for many of these groups (for example, the biggest asylum seeker groups in Finland are Iraqis and Somalis and even during better economic times, they have had about 15 % employment (not unemployment) rate).

      And within surprisingly short time, the local population would become minority, unless the social security system collapses before that and the flood of asylum seekers stops. And if history tells something, it quite often means very bad times for the original population (e.g. Palestinians, Indians, Aboriginals etc).

      I am afraid that if it this flood is not stopped in one way or another soon, there will chaos or even wars in large parts of Europe.

    8. Re:Who cares by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You make some good points, and I'm very surprised your post hasn't been modded down.

      In my opinion this migration will be a massive drain on the EU and especially on the countries that support the immigrants. Perhaps countries like Germany and Sweden can afford to house, feed and support these(almost) millions, all while maintaining their current expenditures for citizens and pensioners already there. Time will tell.

      However, I can imagine one thing is for sure, the internal security services tasked with maintaining watch over "islamic terrorists", etc; are going to be over burdened with all the new "persons of interest". They already know there are many who have piggy backed onto the mainly Syrian population trying to get into Europe. It really is quite a mess.

      Yes, I would imagine the vast majority of immigrants didn't want to leave their homeland and only want a normal life for their families. But at the same time, it would be quite naive to not acknowledge, especially in light of where the migrants originated, that there wouldn't be those whose goal is to cause harm to "The West" or "The Great Satan".

      The really interesting thing watching this debacle unfold is how the EU is straining to keep their solidarity in line. Hungary, Serbia, Croatia, Greece, Austria, etc; have all gone about managing this differently, which is really to be expected. Europe had no gameplan in place for something of this magnitude and is really unprecedented.

      Also, a bit of disclosure, I live in the US, in a neighborhood with a very high percentage of immigrants, from all over the world. I am around lots of people from Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America on a daily basis, because I use Public Transit a lot. I actually enjoy the sort of cosmopolitan environment. The US is actually setup fairly well to absorb immigrants from refugee status countries, as opposed to economic refugees(yes, this is a sensitive topic I know).

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      We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
    9. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a study on why people post as AC on /.?

    10. Re:Who cares by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Informative

      I mentioned this as a fear rather than fact, but yes, there are crime statistics for many neighborhoods where a refugee center was opened. Some neighborhoods experienced a statistically significant increase in crime and reported nuisances that coincided with the opening of the center. In other neighborhoods there was no measurable effect or even a subjective effect: citizens who were at first concerned about the refugee center reported that they did not feel more unsafe once the center had been there for a while. So it is clear that a refugee center has a detrimental effect of safety in some cases, but not all. It is not clear what the mitigating factors are, unfortunately, though overcrowding or having plenty of things to do during the day have some influence.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    11. Re:Who cares by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Claiming economic migrants just want good benefits is a disgrace, as you are attempting to cast them all as acting in poor faith.

      I am not casting all of them as acting in good faith, only some part of them. By the way, that statement was an example of the fears about migrants, not a statement of fact, though there is a lot of historical data to back up the idea that many of these refugees will not end up working. And immigrants from some countries, arriving under much the same circumstances as others, do much better than those others, so their joblessness is not just a matter of "white man keeping us down". And some of them do not make much of a secret of the fact that they have no intention of working (I have met such people personally, by the way). Not a reason to think they are all like that, not a reason to turn all of them away, but it is a reason to be more selective about who we allow to stay, and to be more honest about what all this is expected to cost us in the long run, so that we can base our opinion and our policies on fact instead of either fears or an overly rosy picture.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    12. Re:Who cares by kqs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He might be an asshole, but I'm not surprised to see reactions like these to the immigrant crisis. I see them more and more often around me as well (I am from Europe). And it might get a lot worse, already we're seeing arson and threats of violence against refugee centers.

      The reason is simple: the fears and objections of Europe's citizens have been completely ignored.

      Because clearly, if you feel the government isn't listening to you, arson and violence is a valid response.

      I'm a big fan of civil disobedience when you feel your rights are being trampled, but in that case you should protest against the government, preferably by voting but if that fails then protests, work stoppages, etc seem a valid thing. Violence against immigrants don't show patriotism, it shows small-minded fear and hatred.

      Here in the US we also have a "yooge" anti-immigrant movement. As far as I can tell, most people wish the US had closed its borders the day after *their* immigrant ancestors arrived here.

    13. Re:Who cares by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Which newspapers or news channels do you get your news from? Any time you hear the anti-immigrant viewpoint, it's from some raving clueless idiot, or from Wilders (the two are not mutually exclusive categories). Any time you hear an opinion that is posited as a "balanced", "thoughtful", "realistic" or "reasonable" one by an "expert" or "intellectual", it is one of pro-immigration.

      By the way, you are right about the rise of the extreme right. As I said, ignoring the real and imagined complaints and objections about immigrants does not suppress the growth of extremism, it fuels it. And it is extremely worrying.

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    14. Re:Who cares by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      They took mah jeeeerrbb!

    15. Re: Who cares by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      An 89% minority.

    16. Re:Who cares by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      I think the mistake many who "poo-poo" this situation make is not recognizing the magnitude of the situation. The numbers of refugees are astounding, and will indeed be a unprecedented managerial and logistical challenge for the governments tasked with absorbing the refugees.

      The real question is how much of this can Europe, and the EU handle?

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    17. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No your not an AH. You want to wake up in the same country tomorrow as today. Your leaders are unbelievably incautious.

    18. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PC war4peace, you are a fascist asshole. NO, let me correct that. You are a PC fascist asshole!
       

    19. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    20. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead, we hear only the good news: these immigrants bring important skills, they bring wealth instead of costs, they will not alter our society for the worse, they are not terrorists, and they will generate jobs for us too.

      That's such bullshit. Otherwise, why wouldn't Saudi Arabia or any of the other Persian Gulf states who import heaps of workers every year take any of them in? You've been lied to and your politicians are hell bent on committing cultural suicide so they can be politically correct.

    21. Re:Who cares by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You say people are abandoned by their representatives, but what would you expect those representatives to do? Some have started building walls and fences to keep refugees out, which is also an unpopular move but perhaps less unpopular than allowing them in. Those countries also have obligations under EU and international rules, and some of them have a moral responsibility for creating the situation that is causing people to move.

      A fence isn't going to keep refugees out, at most it will just displace them to a neighbouring country. That just escalates the situation and creates international tension. There really isn't much that can be done by politicians, other than to try to reassure people.

      This is why it isn't being handled well. Many politicians are unwilling to committing to the possible course of action, because it will be unpopular. Instead they just try to shift the problems on to other people.

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    22. Re:Who cares by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2, Funny

      Interesting. I'd like to mod you up, but instead I'll add that this is another argument against DRM'ed software: It could be administered by a racist asshole who will revoke your license because your country's government did something he didn't like.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    23. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If a refugee center opens up in your neighborhood, you will experience an increase in crime and nuisance.

      I'm sitting a few hundred meters from a refugee center (in Germany) as I type this, and I haven't experienced an increase in crime and nuisance. Just sayin'

    24. Re:Who cares by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He's not defending arsonists and violent people, he's stating the fact that people will do it when they're not heard.

      You know this is true. This is how people explain riots in Baltimore. A group of people feels powerless, and eventually something boils over and they lash out. Whether this group of people is not heard about their objection to millions of unasked for new neighbors or police brutality, the result is the same.

      The answer is not to suppress or ignore these people, but to address their fears and concerns. But just scorn them as racists or xenophobes and dismiss them, and eventually, yes, the more incensed and morally questionable members of that camp will do bad things.

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    25. Re:Who cares by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I don't have Christian beliefs.

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    26. Re:Who cares by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      If a researcher has a copy, and it ran fine before, then pulling the license doesn't really change a thing. Software still works as it did before.

      Now, support might be harder to get, and using it for published results might not be advisable, but it will work just fine until you can get around to find and install an alternative. Or, just get an additional researcher on your team in a non-embargoed country.

    27. Re:Who cares by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I'm from an Eastern European country. Easy on the assumptions, you might end up building a case on something that's incorrect.
      Now that that's out of the way... Yes, the multiculti has failed in the UK, Germany, France and probably other countries as well. It failed because it was way more permissive than the American "melting pot". The American melting pot basically states that you can keep your original culture as long as it doesn't trample local culture. Rough example: it's okay to wear a long beard and eat kosher, it's not okay to keep wives as slaves and shit on the street. On the other hand, the European multiculti tends to turn a blind eye on keeping wives as slaves and even shitting on the street (I personally witnessed peeing in the middle of the sidewalk by a foreigner from the Far East), as well as other habits/actions that trample local culture.

      What I did was simply state some facts: the dude is still a drama queen (based on his actions) and a racist asshole (has extremist views). I'm seeing many people with such views, and most of them are ill-informed, with a couple just being racist and shutting down in front of information that doesn't fit their rooted wacko ideas.

      Generally speaking, I'm looking at someone's behavior, instead of their skin color, clothing/haircut choice or spoken language. If the person behaves in accordance to common sense and is lawful, I don't care where they're from. if they behave like animals, they're animals to me. It's really as simple as that.

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    28. Re:Who cares by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Hi, Jobb! Ran out of medication, have we?

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    29. Re: Who cares by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You do realise that 55% of the population of London - the capital of the UK and its largest city - is not white British?

      I can easily believe that there are parts of the country in which the person to whom you replied feels a stranger.

    30. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The grand irony is that it's the western nation's economic, military, and foreign policies that have ultimately caused the immigrants to come.

      Think it's bad with some extra crime where you live, think of the shithole they came from.

      Zero sympathy.

    31. Re:Who cares by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Unabomber Manifesto

      That's actually a pretty good manifesto. Accurate, salient, and insightful.
      Would mod +5.

    32. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the same AC that posted as before, and I'll read any replies if you reply.

      I'm worried that in 50-100 years time, there will be very few whites left - would that concern you? Hypothetically if that happened, would you care anyway? Bear in mind that non-whites, especially blacks, have many more kids than whites.

    33. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A couple of things:

      1) You are correct. DRMd software is *rented* software, and can be taken away from you at any time.

      2) Since February, 2015, you haven't been able to use the software in the US, ether. See http://www.treefinder.de/news.html

      3) This software doesn't seem to phone home; he has just changed the terms of the license.

      4) Except that, well, despite all the noise, it turns out that he *hasn't* changed the terms of the license... from the license, itself: "This license agreement is valid until the next software release. Afterwards, the license of the latest TREEFINDER version applies.". He hasn't made a new release of the software since March, 2011.

    34. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      (Been moderating)
      A couple of centuries ago the city of Amsterdam was not just a major power but the worlds major power, in those days they housed up to 40% immigrants...

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    35. Re:Who cares by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Not only that, their camp can grow and grow, and pretty soon they're electing a new far-right-wing Chancellor who turns into a dictator....

      When you don't listen to the people and just let their anger fester, you get really horrible results. And a good part of the blame can be directed to the people who refused to address their concerns, just like much of blame for WWII falls at the feet of Britain and France for their shitty treaty.

    36. Re:Who cares by thoromyr · · Score: 1

      without quibbling over how you presented the crime statistic, you are overlooking an important factor: what sort of crime increases and who does it target? Given the complaints here on slashdot I would not be surprised if in some places there were crimes targeting the immigrants which would have the effect of increasing the crime rate.

      In point of fact, this is something that goes with the gypsy/romani -- often some locals will decry the gypsies and complain about how they come in and steal, but there will be a distinct increase in crime directed against the gypsies.

    37. Re:Who cares by fatwilbur · · Score: 1

      Claiming economic migrants just want good benefits is a disgrace, as you are attempting to cast them all as acting in poor faith. Most want to work...

      First you criticize someone for generalizing this group, then you do the same thing yourself in the following sentence. Which is it. Do YOU have any sources to confirm?

    38. Re:Who cares by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Municipalities are obliged to give priority to people with an asylum status, which means they jump to the front of the queue for social housing.
      If they have asylum status they are refugees and not mere immigrants.

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    39. Re:Who cares by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      When in 30 - 50 years global warming will have a significant impact, then: The numbers of refugees are^H^H^H will be astounding

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    40. Re:Who cares by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You can not vote against the current immigration when the next election is in a couple of yours.

      I really wonder how low the grasping/understanding of how democracy actually works is here on /.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    41. Re:Who cares by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually the way how multi culti works in europe is very similar to the states.
      If the peeing guy you mention had been seen by a police officer he would have been fined.
      In Germany also "normal germans" pee at trees or walls at night if they feel like it ...
      The blind eye to "slave wifes" is utter nonsense, tough.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    42. Re:Who cares by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Nope, it would not concern me. I would be dead, most likely.
      Jesting aside, I am aware that my children will live their adult life in a changed world. I don't know if it would be changed for the better or worse, "always in motion, the future is". A quarter of a century ago, my country was similar in all aspects to today's North Korea. Today, it feels like a free-for-all, eat or be eaten tournament. Tomorrow, it could be today's Syria or a very developed country (the potential is there, it's just not tapped efficiently).

      Skin color means almost absolutely nothing to me. No more than hair length or eye color.

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    43. Re:Who cares by war4peace · · Score: 1

      No it's not similar, not at all.
      Swedish people let a caught gypsy thief go because they thought it would be unjust to send a "poor soul" to jail, they thought he was just hungry and poor. Back home, he had a mansion. There's a documentary TV series about how our gypsies live in the Northern European countries, this was one of the stories they covered.

      I assume that thief would have spent deserved time in jail were he been caught in the USA.

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      ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
    44. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > On the other hand, the European multiculti tends to turn a blind eye on keeping wives as slaves and even shitting on the street (I personally witnessed peeing in
      > the middle of the sidewalk by a foreigner from the Far East), as well as other habits/actions that trample local culture.

      This is Racism. If you pop down to any town center on a Saturday Night, I expect you'll see far more people peeing in the street - and you know what, many will not be foreigners from the far east - they'll be "locals", and in the UK the majority will be White British (and pissed).

    45. Re: Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I slogged through it back when that was going on and was surprised to find how much of it I rather agreed with. Kind of like when I had to read some Marx in college: the diagnosis was decent, but the recommended treatment plan was a bit problematic, to say the least.

    46. Re: Who cares by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      [citation needed]

    47. Re:Who cares by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You know what they say about lies, damned lies, and statistics, right?

      Even the Swedish authorities state that the apparently high rate is due very largely to the fact that the legal definition of what constitutes rape is extremely broad compared to most other countries, and that the figures you refer to are not a reliable basis for comparison.

      I've lived in Stockholm (~25% immigrants) for most of the last decade, and it appears to me that women here are generally much less afraid to walk home alone at night than in lots of other places I've been.

      Sweden certainly has its issues, including some relating to immigration, but it is in no wise anything like what is portrayed in your scaremongering blog article, which is not worth the trouble of printing out to wipe my arse with.

      BTW, I lived in Australia for some years as well, and I can see that your vaunted blogger also hasn't much of a clue about Aussie politics or society, either.

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    48. Re:Who cares by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      He was caught and brought to a court in both countries, only the ruling is different.
      The parent implied the whole way how to deal with the situation was different, which it is not, at least I don't find minor differences relevant.

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    49. Re:Who cares by war4peace · · Score: 1

      It was broad daylight, dude. It was not "against the wall". It was not while intoxicated. It was flat out casually pissing in the middle of the street.
      I fucking hate it when people yell "RACIST!!!111" when you happen to notice a fact. Dude was from the Far East. It's a bloody FACT. Racism is when you say "ALL are doing the same". I didn't. I said that when a foreigner does it, authorities tend to be more lenient. maybe out of fear of retards like you who yell RACISM for no reason, just because.

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    50. Re: Who cares by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Do you own fucking google search you lazy cunt.

    51. Re: Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    52. Re:Who cares by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Some will want to sponge off and do nothing, just as some Europeans do.

      The hardships they have to endure before they reach Europe is a good filter for those types though.

    53. Re:Who cares by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      It's not only the housing but costs for providing social security is unsustainable with the current flow of asylum seekers.

      Social security is unsustainable in Europe and the US with or without asylum seekers, due to simple demographics: social security is a pyramid scheme that assumes that there are many workers for every retiree.

      I am afraid that if it this flood is not stopped in one way or another soon, there will chaos or even wars in large parts of Europe.

      So it's back to business as usual for Europe.

    54. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Switzerland, my friendly Irish colleague voted against higher immigration quotas, because she already had her Swiss passport, and "there's too many foreigners here already". Cognitive dissonance and willful hypocrisy should not be discounted - humans are daft.

    55. Re:Who cares by delt0r · · Score: 1

      He is in fact a total nutbar. I in fact worked with his old supervisor and somehow ended up on his mailing list about 8 years ago. It use to be Science community conspiracy theories and stuff preventing him and his wonderful inventions from being recognized. Turns out he just wouldn't submit his thesis. His rants are always just like this one and has been doing a long time. Pity he got some attention this time. And as someone in the field no one should be using tree finder anyway.

      Storm in a tea cup by a total nut bar.

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    56. Re:Who cares by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Your numbers are way way off. First of all there is about 500M people in the EU zone. The 2-5 million immigrants represent sweet fuck all (1%), and to claim something as ridiculous as 100% taxation wouldn't work goes to show how far your basing numbers on faith and prejudice rather than logic and fact. There are more tourists going to cheap hotels every day. We have the infrastructure and the means if we give a shit. But we don't.

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    57. Re:Who cares by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Well scientist is a bit of a stretch.

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    58. Re:Who cares by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      It's not only the housing but costs for providing social security is unsustainable with the current flow of asylum seekers. It doesn't take more just few years and even 100 % taxation wouldn't be enough to provide social security for these asylum seekers. Although some of the asylum seekers may be able to find jobs, the traditional levels of employment have been very low for many of these groups (for example, the biggest asylum seeker groups in Finland are Iraqis and Somalis and even during better economic times, they have had about 15 % employment (not unemployment) rate).

      And within surprisingly short time, the local population would become minority, unless the social security system collapses before that and the flood of asylum seekers stops. And if history tells something, it quite often means very bad times for the original population (e.g. Palestinians, Indians, Aboriginals etc).

      I am afraid that if it this flood is not stopped in one way or another soon, there will chaos or even wars in large parts of Europe.

      Is this because they refuse to work, or because the locals won't hire them? I find it a bit hard to believe that somebody who was a pediatrician in Syria will come to Sweden and decide to go on welfare.

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  5. Hmmm ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Informative

    So basically he's a batshit crazy idiot who is ranting publicly and acting like a whiny bitch?

    Congratulations, Gangolf Judd ... you're an idiot, and a moron.

    Although the change in the license may be a nuisance for some researchers, the program is far from irreplaceable, several scientists tell ScienceInsider. Treefinder had not been updated for several years and it was mostly used by researchers who had grown used to it, they say.

    And largely irrelevant, from reading this.

    Strimmer says. It is not clear whether Jobb still has a job. (His website says that he âoecannot work as a scientist, because my traditional views and values conflict with that eliteâ(TM)s doctrine.â)

    Everything about this article suggests some raving idiot sitting in the dark lamenting how the world won't adhere to his bullshit beliefs.

    Whatever, and nothing of value was lost.

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    1. Re:Hmmm ... by PvtVoid · · Score: 1, Funny

      Everything about this article suggests some raving idiot sitting in the dark lamenting how the world won't adhere to his bullshit beliefs.

      Which probably means he has a low user ID number on /.

    2. Re:Hmmm ... by emj · · Score: 2

      Which probably means he has a low user ID number on /.

      It's not that low.. :-(

    3. Re:Hmmm ... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Basically he's still under the same mistaken ideals about economics as the Founding Fathers.

    4. Re:Hmmm ... by blind+biker · · Score: 0

      This entire post is nothing but virtue signaling.

      It is also a gigantic Ad Hominem. Why not try to analyze whether his statements have some merit, rather than just fuel the culture of outrage?

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      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    5. Re:Hmmm ... by TheSunborn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope. To quote from his statement:

      "Immigration unnecessarily defers the collapse of capitalism, its final crisis,"

      So he sounds more like a communist or anarchist.

    6. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Redundant name calling: The tell-tale sign of butt-hurt brainwashed liberalism.

      He swung the largest sword he had, for something he believed in. Which is more than most Slashdotters can say. The majority have never took a stand outside the comments section in their whole lives and never will.

    7. Re:Hmmm ... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      So he sounds more like a communist or anarchist.

      It seems somewhat inconsistent for an anarchist to complain about countries "allowing" people to cross national borders, and socialism - including communism - is traditionally international in nature... so I guess that leaves National Socialism as the "traditional values" he was referring to. Which, I suppose, would explain why he has trouble finding work in Germany.

      In any case, if nothing else this affair goes to show the necessity of using only FOSS-licensed software for anything important.

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    8. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. "He swung the largest sword he had" for irrational bigotry and hate, because it's "something he believed in". Cheer him on, because he's fighting for hate.

      Personally, I don't see hate as something to cheer on, or be proud of.

    9. Re:Hmmm ... by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why not try to analyze whether his statements have some merit, rather than just fuel the culture of outrage?

      Because I don't give a fuck about some guy who wrote a piece of software, and his personal manifesto. I don't need to validate his position, or evaluate it for merit -- that's not my problem.

      See, I'm not committing a logical fallacy, since I'm not refuting his points ... I am dismissing him out of hand as an irrelevant, whiny little twat who wants to take his ball and go home. He's more than welcome to do that. He can do it for any stupid reason he chooses.

      And the rest of the world is free to dismiss him as a crackpot and not give a damn about his crazy rantings.

      The reality is, he isn't withholding anything nobody can't live without, and while he's free to do as he chooses with his software ... everyone else is free to not give a fuck.

      We certainly don't need to acknowledge, validate, or give credibility to his temper tantrum. That's his damned problem.

      If someone said tomorrow I can't use a piece of software because I'm not a Christian, I'm also going to conclude that person is a moron and an asshole, and be equally dismissive of them. But I'm not going to coddle or validate his feelings because he needs to act like a moron and an asshole.

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    10. Re:Hmmm ... by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      So basically he's a batshit crazy idiot who is ranting publicly and acting like a whiny bitch?

      +5 Informative.

      Welcome to /.

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    11. Re:Hmmm ... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      No, he would be posting AC.

    12. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically he's a batshit crazy idiot who is ranting publicly and acting like a whiny bitch?

      Translation: I don't agree with him and I don't think he should have any right to voice his opinions.

    13. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If USA would leave its borders open for anyone, I'm pretty sure, there would soon be 1 billion poor new inhabitants in USA and also you would be loudly requesting some form of protectionism.

    14. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I don't see hate as something to cheer on, or be proud of.

      Hating the hater though, that's ok -- comence cheering.

    15. Re:Hmmm ... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Oh so he is just batshit crazy.

    16. Re:Hmmm ... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Everything about this article suggests some raving idiot sitting in the dark lamenting how the world won't adhere to his bullshit beliefs.

      That's ridiculous. He's not sitting in the dark, he's sitting next to his car cooking and sleeping.

      Not that I have a problem with anyone doing that, it just strikes me as a little strange that the entirety of his "about me" page on his site is 3 pictures of him cooking and sleeping outside, along with his name. Apparently what defines this person, other than his name, is his ability to cook and sleep outside.

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    17. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's obviously done more reasoning and thinking around these issues than you ever have. You've just been told by the papers and the TV what the world is like, and adopted it as truth without thinking about it even once, and you blatantly dismiss people who have different opinions as idiots, a true sign of ignorance. Who is the real idiot?

    18. Re:Hmmm ... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      APK?

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    19. Re:Hmmm ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'd say that's pretty impressive. Most people here have never even been outside.

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    20. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "National" in this context means "race/people" not "country". Nazi Germans were willing to accept ethnic German immigrants (a sort of "Back to Germany" movement existed among the diaspora). Communism wanted to remove national (racial) identities.

  6. The edge of reality by AndyKron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Somebody has fallen off the edge of reality.

  7. Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Movement within the EU is legal for those with an EU passport. How about addressing the Islam extremists that cause 90% of these cowards to run like little girls to alternative nations? Yes, that's right. It's not families leaving shit-hole arab and African countries, it's the very men that would be defending it had they been born in Europe or the US.

    1. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the West had not destabilized the whole regionfor political ends, we would not be in this mess.

    2. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > [...] these cowards to run like little girls [...] it's the very men that would be defending it had they been born in Europe or the US [...]

      Wow. Just wow. And you seem particularly hot on grabbing some semi-automatic and be part of the fun.

      Just go ahead! Plenty of places in this world to gain hero status!

    3. Re:Who gives a shit? by Barsteward · · Score: 0

      why don;t you get back to work on your Treefinder?

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    4. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the West had not propped up tyrants for economic ends, we would not be in this mess.

    5. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the West had not destabilized the whole regionfor political ends, we would not be in this mess.

      What Earth are you on?

      Islam has been violently trying to conquer/convert the entire world for over 1500 years, and has been fighting long before there was any concept of "the West".

    6. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Christianity had a 500 year head start on Islam, so the Christians did a better job with it...

    7. Re:Who gives a shit? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm too lazy to Google but I read a long post earlier that quoted Islam as being created in 1630. Not that this has one damned thing to do with your point but I think you'll find that it's only 1300+ years (1385, I suppose) since the start of Islam. Where that leaves the remainder of your 'facts' is something for others to decide and I'm assuming the earlier poster was correct as they were quoting some sort of scholar on the subject.

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    8. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Um Iraq .. relativley stable until US invaded, Libya, likewise before the US decided to topple Ghadaffi, Syria likewise ... wake yup and smell the coffee.

    9. Re: Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mom's basement is full of sand niggers, shitboy. Wonder how the fuck I'm ever going to clean it out.

    10. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > [...] these cowards to run like little girls [...] it's the very men that would be defending it had they been born in Europe or the US [...]

      Wow. Just wow. And you seem particularly hot on grabbing some semi-automatic and be part of the fun.

      Just go ahead! Plenty of places in this world to gain hero status!

      To a certain degree AC and Jobb have it right. You should, as a man, be willing to make your country a good place to live. Many western countries haven't really had to work hard to make themselves a good place to live because we have our democracies that allow full participation. But this was bought with the blood of patriots - so we are told.

      In my city we have many Muslims from Somalia. They aren't really interested in being part of our society. They want the safety, but not the responsibility. Now many immigrants are accused of not assimilating, but these are setting up councils of their own who try to act as an independent government within the boarders of the USA. A Somalia, JR. of sorts that "the losers" decide to set up in a different location.

      I ask you, how can we welcome something like?

    11. Re: Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fine. We'll worry about Christians when they're the current problem. The current problem are muzzies. Get over it.

    12. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christianity stopped religion-inspired wars in 17th century. Islam is still doing it.

    13. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the West had not destabilized the whole regionfor political ends, we would not be in this mess.

      That's funny, I'm looking through these History books and can't seem to find any period following WWII where that region was ever stable.
      Or going back before WWII for quite a good bit of time, for that matter.

    14. Re:Who gives a shit? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Movement within the EU is legal for those with an EU passport

      There is no "EU passport".
      The right to move and reside freely is granted to any citizen of the EEA (EFTA plus Lichtenstein) and Switzerland, and a passport is not required if you have another national identity card.

      Or a residence card showing you are a family member of a citizen of one of these countries, and are either travelling with or to the family member.
      And that is the case for many of the asylum seekers, who want to travel to specific countries like Sweden and Germany, where they have family. The problem is a catch-22 one, because they cannot obtain the family member residence card allowing them to travel to their family before they are united with their family.

    15. Re:Who gives a shit? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But of course! Before the West got involved in the Middle East, it was a peaceful paradise, where unicorns grazed under rainbows, and peoples of all different religions lived together in blissful harmony! It's not like these people ever occupied large parts of Europe, oppressed non-Muslims, or abducted millions of Europeans into slavery, oh no, nothing like that ever happened!

    16. Re:Who gives a shit? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      1630 is closer to the peak of the last Muslim Empire right before it started to go into decline and disintegrate.

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    17. Re:Who gives a shit? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      US actions in Libya were requested by the surrounding Arab countries.

      Syria fell apart without any US help.

      All 3 were brutal tyrannical regimes that had no problems using weapons of mass destruction on their own citizens. All 3 were countries that bleeding hearts thought we should undermine or shun.

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    18. Re:Who gives a shit? by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      Islam relies upon the revelation received by Muhammed around 610 and 632. Islam can be considered established around 622, when Muhammed emigrated to Medina, where he was accepted and his teachings adopted.

      From then on, Islam has conducted a continuous campaign of political, social, and military dominance, with the stated goal of total dominance and control worldwide.

      You doubt this? Read the Qu'ran, or any respected commentary on it.

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    19. Re:Who gives a shit? by rossdee · · Score: 1

      "I read a long post earlier that quoted Islam as being created in 1630."

      The accepted start date for Islam is 622AD
      At least that is when the Islamic calendar starts, when Mohammad fled from Mecca to Medina
      The Islamic calendar is based on a lunar cycle, so the years are shorter than Gregorian.

    20. Re:Who gives a shit? by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      We might not be in this mess now, and it might not be with these belligerents, but we would still be in much the same mess, as it dates back to the dawn of recorded history. Any "stability" is simply a nice political way of saying "we're resting between rounds".

      The short version is that the nice relatively-fertile land we now call the "Middle East" was a convenient destination for refugees and conquerors from the kingdoms to the north, east, and west. As each group settled, they called the area their home, and ignored the claims of anyone who already happened to live there, who in turn were often exiled or subjugated.

      Three thousand years later, the settlers are now distinct cultures, and their tales of settling and exile have turned into legends of a traditional homeland, often mixed with religious justification. As a result, any time an opportunity arises, a traditionalist can easily stir up support for reclaiming the land for his people. Other folks like to call his cause "extremist" to trivialize his intent, and we also like to point to an arbitrary moment in history when his group wasn't in control, downplaying his claim to the area. Do note that I'm not talking about any particular group or ethnicity... their histories are all pretty much the same.

      The only time there hasn't been some kind of uprising is when there was a ruler oppressive enough to keep all such rebellions under control. That tactic really started in the area with the Assyrians, until they grew too complacent, and a rebellion erupted with foreign assistance. More recently, the Soviet Union and Saddam Hussein played the role for various areas, with similar ends.

      There are only two ways that I see to have lasting peace in the area. One option is to nuke the entire area completely, with fallout, denying it to everyone. The tales of exiled peoples will get worse, but nobody will really want to go home for a few thousand decades. The more reasonable option is to keep working toward "political ends", supporting whatever group says they won't try to kill their neighbors. Perhaps in a few thousand more years, the distinct cultures will merge together enough that they no longer care about conquests predating the alphabet.

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    21. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and rapin' lil girls too.

    22. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seems to forget the role of Saudi Arabia and Qatar (that also bombed Lybia) that are a key element of the policy in this region. Syria is much more impacted by the external policy of Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Russia than of the West.

    23. Re:Who gives a shit? by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 2

      Now many immigrants are accused of not assimilating, but these are setting up councils of their own who try to act as an independent government within the boarders of the USA. A Somalia, JR. of sorts that "the losers" decide to set up in a different location.

      I ask you, how can we welcome something like?

      What are you stoned? We as Americans have ALWAYS welcomed this kind of behavior, hell a fair argument could be made that we actually endorse it. Why don't you read up on the history of the Five Points, Chinatown or Little Italy in New York city. Try taking a tour around the different neighborhoods in cities like Chicago, Cleveland and Philadelphia; then try saying with a straight face that no immigrant population has ever done exactly what you are describing.

      Sorry to ruin your mastibitory end of the world fantasy but this country weathered the Italian and the Jewish mass immigrations, who by the way came over for exactly the same reason, just fine. A few half starved Somalis aren't going to send the US into some Mob-Rule-Anarchist state no matter how much whining they do.

    24. Re:Who gives a shit? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Informative

      "If the West had not propped up tyrants for economic ends, we would not be in this mess."

      No, the present mess began when we deposed the secular tyrants.

    25. Re:Who gives a shit? by bickerdyke · · Score: 0

      You're using "still" as if you were on a clear timescale. I prefer "currently".

      Please don't forget that while in Europe every county-sized kindgom was at war against more other kingdoms than they had neighbours, islamic regions used to be peaceful places with thriving art and science. (Who build all those UN world cultural heritage sites that ISIS is currently demolishing?)

      And seeing extremistic morons like that guy reminds me that it might flip again at any time.

      I have a little theory that the world religions are taking turns in going crazy and turning into violent fanatics. (And I'm not sure if I should look forward to when it's the Budhhists turn...)

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    26. Re:Who gives a shit? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "But Christianity had a 500 year head start on Islam'

      Yes, Christianity was this bad once. Today we call that time the Dark Ages.

    27. Re:Who gives a shit? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      You know that Google does not fact checking?

      According to wikipedia Mohammed started preaching in 613, so some digits may have been flipped here.

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    28. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have no knowledge of history or are you just willfully blind? The best example I can think of is Iran, look at some photos from the 50s and the country looks identical to 40/50's US. It wasn't until the US & UK ousted the democratic leader and inserted/supported a dictator that they began their descent into the religious fundamentalism we know today. Many similar situations occurred as the NATO/Warsaw nations jostled for control of the Middle east that continues to this day.

    29. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who build all those UN world cultural heritage sites that ISIS is currently demolishing?

      Pre-islamic cultures and religion.

    30. Re:Who gives a shit? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Close enough. That makes it 17 years off and still not over 1500 years ago. I'm lazy. In my defense, entropy.

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    31. Re:Who gives a shit? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Thanks. That's still not 1500+ years however. I also have no idea if they went on a missing to take over right on day one.

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    32. Re:Who gives a shit? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Also, hah, I am not sure why but I meant to type 630 and not 1630. I did the math correct but somehow typed it wrong.

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    33. Re:Who gives a shit? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Among other names and situations, we call it "The Troubles" and most of us are old enough to have seen it on the news.

    34. Re:Who gives a shit? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Actually, we call the most genocidal years of Christianity "the enlightenment".

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    35. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the worst sins of Christianity were committed in the Reformation era roughly from 1517 to about 1700. That was why the Founding Fathers were so determined to separate church and state and were careful to refer to 'God' in a non-denominational and almost ecumenical way. They had just come out of the worst era of religious killings in Western history.

    36. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should, as a man, be willing to make your country a good place to live.

      I'd also throw the same suspicion on the female refugees as well.

      Yet, I'm also thinking that these men who should be bad enough dudes to save their communities probably don't have access to the firearms and other modern weapons necessary to be said bad dudes.

    37. Re:Who gives a shit? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      http://www.abc.net.au/religion...

      It happens currently, it has happened before.

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    38. Re:Who gives a shit? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      S/he added an extra 1. It is clear from context that s/he meant 630 not 1630.

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    39. Re:Who gives a shit? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The last thing I heard about was the destruction at Palmyra, which is about 2000 years old.

      2000 years ago, Rome was in its heyday. The Roman Empire controlled most of Europe at that time; there were no "country-sized kingdoms", that wasn't for another 1000 years.

      Also 2000 years ago, Islam did not exist. It didn't come around until 700-something AD IIRC. That's the whole reason ISIS is destroying those places: because they're NOT Islamic, they predate it.

      It was somewhere around 700-1000 years ago when Christian Europe was constantly at war and was burning "heretics" at the stake, while Islamic regions were generally peaceful and had thriving science and math (but not so much art; all their art is purely geometric because they think it's somehow wrong to paint pictures of people or anything else that's real). At some point, a new line of thought took over in the Islamic world and they turned to a more fundamentalist version of the religion, and things have done downhill ever since, while the European countries went through the Renaissance and the Age of Reason/Enlightenment and have steadily turned away from religion.

    40. Re:Who gives a shit? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Option 1 is obviously ridiculous, but I'm dubious about option 2 actually working. How about option 3: go back to having an oppressive ruler who keeps everyone under control? It worked in the past, after all.

    41. Re:Who gives a shit? by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      No, the present mess began when we deposed the secular tyrants.

      The French and British drew most of the borders of the "middle east" at the end of WWI when they carved up the Ottoman Empire.

      The borders were drawn to suit the French and British, instead of along cultural boundaries. The only way to keep those countries together was secular despots. With those dead or losing power, you unleash the chaos created by westerners drawing lines to suit their political needs instead of what the local population wanted.

      And that chaos is going to get worse. For example, as Iraq breaks into three countries, the newly-formed Kurdistan will cause problems with the significant Kurdish population in Turkey.

    42. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should check what is in your coffee before drinking it, The US had nothing to do with the revolutions in Libya and Syria.

    43. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's "we", are you syrian or libyan ? Or just a tinfoil-wearing nutjob ?

    44. Re:Who gives a shit? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually it is the families, however the families are often stopped at borders in front of the fences, e.g. in Hungary. So the younger "expendable" male ones, preferable english speaking, are sent ahead to apply for asylum rights and then pull their families legally behind them.

      it's the very men that would be defending it had they been born in Europe or the US. If believe that bullshit you ale beliefe in Santa Clause I guess?

      As a mere citizen or lets say: inhabitant, of Syria, Iran, Iraq and other "areas" where the ISIS is strong: you have no way to fight. You have no weapons, no idea how to use them, if you had them, no other resources, no hospitals, you can not defend your family, your friends. Most of the country is either desert, you can not sustain yourself there as a guerrilla -- or city/town/farmland, which is the first thing the ISIS is attacking. If you can not stand your ground there, they kill you, your whole family, except your little sisters, which get sold as slave wives to their "warriors".

      Bottom line it is a question of IQ, not bravery. If you are smart enough you are run away. If you are brave and smart, you take your family with you. If you are brave you either die by the hand of ISIS or they draft/press you into their service and you die by NATO or local forces or PKK. Or you die in the desert on the flight from the hordes ...

      Your idea how stuff works is quite bizarre ...

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    45. Re:Who gives a shit? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Actually, over very long courses of history in occupied regions the jews, christians and other book religions had equal rights and where not suppressed by the muslims. However sometimes they payed higher taxes ... or as usually Jews where pressed into being bankers. Perhaps you should read a few history books?
      The first islamic invasion that actually did suppress -especially christians- where the Ottomans.

      However perhaps you might read up what the Christians did when they ~reconquistadored~ Spain and later the rest of Europe ... and jumped out to invade the americans. It is quite interesting to read why "bathing" became out of fashion in most parts of Europe after the moslems where expelled :D and in the same context how the Inquista/nquisition cme into existence.

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    46. Re:Who gives a shit? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Yes, Christianity was this bad once. Today we call that time the Dark Ages.
      And why is it called the Dark Ages? (Actually it is not the first Dark Age).
      It is not called that way for the reasons you think it is: it is called so because not much written (reliable/accurate) history exists from that time. That is all.
      Also the main reason for that was the "VÃkerwanderung" ... the migration ages (funnily this is the topic of this /. story, isn't it?)
      The majority of tribes moving into Europe at that time where not Christians btw. ...

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    47. Re:Who gives a shit? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      There is no "EU passport".
      Yes there is, I have one. And if you are a citizen of the EU and have a passport (instead of an ID card) you have one, too.

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    48. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > It was somewhere around 700-1000 years ago when Christian Europe was constantly at war and was burning "heretics" at the stake.

      17th Century was when the worst of the religious wars ended, so 400 years ago. But even so, troubles in Ireland are still happening (which are a direct result of those 16th and 17th century wars.

    49. Re:Who gives a shit? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "The borders were drawn to suit the French and British, instead of along cultural boundaries. "

      Which is why the US gets blamed for everything that is horrible about the Middle East. What our actual role in the region consisted of was giving them a trillion dollars for their black goo and vainly hoping that wealth would make them more passably human. Oh, that and having Jews.

    50. Re:Who gives a shit? by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      The proposition we are discussing is: If the West had not destabilized the whole region for political ends, we would not be in this mess., not the worthiness of Islam, the personal hygiene and genocidal tendencies of Christian Europe. The simple fact is that the Middle East was unstable long before "the West" got involved. All your other b.s. is irrelevant.

    51. Re:Who gives a shit? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Define: "unstable long before "the West" got involved"
      About what year do you talk?

      The west got involved when the Empire of the Ottomanes got destroyed. Except for Turkey/the Ottomane Empire, the rest in that region was barely on the level of european middle ages.

      I would say: the B.S. is on you as you obviously never have read a history book.

      Franky: why the fuck should the guys there bomb american ambassadors, sky scrapers etc. when the west had never meddled with them? According to you they are unstable, also bombing each other quite happily.

      So what exactly are they? Unstable? Terrorists waiting to find targets? Islamists you want to spread their religion?

      Sorry, the world is not simple. Everything is interconnected. Blaming a situation on the culture, history, religion, your biased ideas about those, is usually plain and simply wrong.

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    52. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blaming a situation on the culture, history, religion, your biased ideas about those, is usually plain and simply wrong.

      Which is exactly why I disagreed with the statement If the West had not destabilized the whole region for political ends, we would not be in this mess.

      Franky: why the fuck should the guys there bomb american ambassadors, sky scrapers etc. when the west had never meddled with them? According to you they are unstable, also bombing each other quite happily.

      Probably for the same reasons you are such an anti-American bigot: ignorance, an inferiority complex, greed, and envy.

    53. Re:Who gives a shit? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was a special place, the only place where violence and conflict was common place in the historical world..

      who mods this stupidity up?

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    54. Re: Who gives a shit? by ZiggyM · · Score: 1

      my grandfather emigrated to south America luckily just before WW2. he made contacts and proceeded to bring the most family he could. seems like what I would do too. But you are welcome to interpret it with as much hate and ignorance as you can.

  8. Move on people, nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unknown software author, who is also a dick to human rights, does not allow people to use his already strictly licensed, equally unknown software, that was previously already not available to all of the USA.

    Such news. Very licensed. Wow.

  9. Europeans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are Europeans going to start another World War? I would have thought the first two would have taught you a lesson.

    1. Re:Europeans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh the irony... the immigrant problem is caused the the USA's warlike foreign policy in Syria, Libiya Iraq etc. Us poor saps in Europe get to pick up the pieces.

    2. Re:Europeans by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      hopefully not as that is why the EU was created. but it seems since the crash, nationalism, racism and xenophobia has raised its ugly head - looks a complete mirror of the crash and rise of nationalism in the early 20th century

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    3. Re:Europeans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you take those "immigrants" to your neighborhood? It was US racist war on the Middle East for the Israel benefit that created this whole mess in the first place. How is your "democracy" spreading in Libya and Iraq working? Huh?

    4. Re:Europeans by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      This time, it looks like it will be Europe and Russia against America. Putin seems to be the only politician who's taking the invasion of Europe seriously, and the new European leaders will inevitably turn to him for help after they kick out the 'we're all the same under the skin' liberals who currently run their countries.

    5. Re:Europeans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lesson from the world wars? It's that you have to be strong if you want your lineage to survive and prosper. Not a p*ssy as the refugee-loving Mutti Merkel.

    6. Re:Europeans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right, Europe colonized America and look at the mess it caused...

    7. Re:Europeans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fail to see how replacing secular rulers with Islamist nutjobs benefits Israel.

  10. Big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FTFA:

    Treefinder has been used in hundreds of scientific papers ...

    "Hundreds" doesn't look like a big user base. I think those who are qualified for this specific research task should be well-informed of their tools, so they should be able to adapt fairly quickly, either by training themselves with alternative tools, or making their own.

  11. What is it with genealogy software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a industry requirement that everyone who produces genealogy software must be an immense dick about it?

    1. Re:What is it with genealogy software? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      I suspect that racism is more prevalent in genealogists.
      Racists tend to care about purity of blood. And the way to check this is, of course, genealogy. So it is likely that racists are more interested in genealogy than most people. Therefore, it is more likely that the proportion of racists among genealogists is higher than the proportion of racists among the general population. That's basic Bayesian statistics, maybe too basic in fact.

  12. Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought! by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Granted, chances are the guy doesn't actually have the right to cancel people's purchases like this. However, the fact that it's halfway-reasonable for him to think he has that right is yet another illustration of how ridiculously overreaching copyright has become.

    Again and again, we're seeing a thing that is (a) a government-granted monopoly, not a right, (b) only supposed to be temporary, and (c) not designed for the benefit of the author, but rather for the benefit of society, perverted to the point where people think it trumps actual property rights!

    This guy's attitude is fucking sick and disgusting, and that's before I even take the bigotry into account!

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    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  13. Frankly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Using software from people with such views is not recommendable anyway: they might have their own views of proper math and backdooring and whatever else. Makes one glad that guns are not as easily available in Germany as they are in the U.S. The guy sounds like prime material for going on a killing spree because he is making others responsible for his own problems of dealing with his life.

    1. Re:Frankly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you want to stop using pretty much everything you don't grow yourself. The guy is self employed and apparently feels secure enough from the universal ban-hammer that he won't have his life ruined for `being RAYSIST.' Where you find such people you find these views; everyone else must tow the PC line the elites require of them. But make no mistake; watching your nation be overrun by 12th century refugees is loved only by isolated office people from afar and the statist elite they obey.

  14. Ok, who wrote the tools by fermion · · Score: 1

    First, it is of course an owners right to limit distribution. If someone wants to sell only to people with three nipples, that is their right. Second, no one exists in a vacuum. The tools used to write software were probably developed and refined over time by corporate drones, kids in the basement, and, yes, even immigrants who took jobs away from hard working locals who could use the bread to feed their family. Read the rant on the down load page to see how this guy thinks he developed this software independently. It is the standard conservative delusion that we do not depend on others to accomplish what we have. Third, from the article, "Although the change in the license may be a nuisance for some researchers, the program is far from irreplaceable". People who write software like this really want it to be used. Most software is used because it simply what people are trained to use. For instance, Origin is used because everyone is trained on it, even though it may not be the best, and even though it is extremely expensive. In reality lots of students pirate copies of the software. This software does not appear to cost anything, so one of two things will happen. I suppose that labs will just continue to use it, even without a license, unless it prevented by peer review. If that happens different software will be used. Again, reading the rant it seems like just another conservative having a temper tantrum because someone else that does not look like the developer is getting free stuff.

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    1. Re:Ok, who wrote the tools by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      First, it is of course an owners right to limit distribution.

      BULLSHIT!

      The copyright holder only has limited permission (not a right) from the government to limit distribution only for so long as that arrangement is in the public interest. The government is free to revoke that permission (i.e., cause the work to enter the Public Domain) at any time. The only people with actual property rights to be considered are the people who bought copies.

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    2. Re:Ok, who wrote the tools by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The government is free to revoke that permission (i.e., cause the work to enter the Public Domain) at any time.
      Care to cite the relevant paragraph from the copy right law?
      In Europe the government has absolutely no rights to interfere with he privileges of the author of a piece of work.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    3. Re:Ok, who wrote the tools by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      I don't know about Europe, but in the US Article 1, section 8, clause 8 of the Constitution gives Congress the power -- but not the obligation! -- to enact things like copyright law.

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      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    4. Re:Ok, who wrote the tools by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      And that enacts the whole law for everyone.

      Not for a single person or single artifact that person has crafted.

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    5. Re:Ok, who wrote the tools by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      What's your point?

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  15. Everybody has to believe in something by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I harbor a bit of empathy for anyone willing to put personal beliefs on the line for principle.

    Too few people nowadays (and politicians en masse) are willing to speak from a core belief set for fear of {horrors} offending someone!

    Even ridiculous courage is refreshing these days.

    --
    Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.

    Ernest Hemingway

    1. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by onepoint · · Score: 1

      While I agree with what you are saying. find that this guys action were done with improper customer timing. IF ( and it's a big if ) the current user base Paid for the software, then he should not ban them ( the bought it ), But he should stick to his core beliefs and ban those which he feels are doing him harm.

      Now I want to get tricky, I am rather sure that if he tried this in the USA, he would be in the courts already. I don't think we are legally capable of stopping a purchase within the USA ( unless of course it has some encryption or state secret attached to it or the USA said we can not trade with them ) .

      --
      if you see me, smile and say hello.
    2. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by JeffOwl · · Score: 1

      Now apply that logic to Kim Davis and see how people react

    3. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too lazy to login with my userinfo...

      I agree with this statement. Slashdot is starting to feel as politically correct as Reddit these days.

      Slashdot used to be a place you could freely express yourself, have an open dialogue about potentially controversial viewpoints, and where you would feel welcomed even by those who disagreed with you.

      Now all of the liberal bully's come out to curse and insult those who have a viewpoint that they don't agree with. Sad... It seems that hate-mogers have again ruined what used to be a bastion of free speech. What kind of world are we creating where bully's and hate are endorsed, and those brave enough to be honest about their opinion are shunned and ridiculed?

      For that matter, what does this say about Slashdot?

    4. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      While I agree that people should state their beliefs and stick by them, business is not the place to do it. Most places have laws that require businesses to treat everyone equally, regardless of the personal beliefs of people working in or owning that business, for example.

      In any case, this is suicide. Even if people agree with him or don't care, they won't risk building software around an API that the owner will arbitrarily cut them off from.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    5. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with his reasoning is that if immigrants are actually able to compete with you for jobs in your own country, then you are probably really bad at what you do. You should probably not have the position you have to begin with...

    6. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Nobody objects to Davis having beliefs. It's her attempt to use a government position to impose them on others that's the problem.

      That said, in response to the GP, an asshole is an asshole. You don't become less of one simply because really you are one. I mean, that doesn't even make sense. It's like the opposite of a truism.

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      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    7. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Trump 2016! /s

    8. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by Mr.+Cancelled · · Score: 1

      For that matter, what does this say about Slashdot?

      It says that Slashdot's principles have been compromised. Rather than stand up for free speech, the users of Slashdot would prefer to not enter into the fray and be attacked by these bigots.

      It is sad - Slashdot used to be full of free thinkers. Now it's full of prejudice and hate. :(

      And for those politically correct bigots who think they are just standing up for what's right, look at how you do it. You're no different than the racists and homophobic people who you claim to be standing up against.

      You use insults, bullying tactics, and outright harass of those you disagree with. The same tactics you claim to oppose.

      Face it - You're all a bunch bully's who are out to silence those you hate. Just like a racist, a nazi, or any other hateful group you can think of. The problem is that your prejudices prevent you from seeing this.

    9. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by m00sh · · Score: 1

      I harbor a bit of empathy for anyone willing to put personal beliefs on the line for principle.

      Too few people nowadays (and politicians en masse) are willing to speak from a core belief set for fear of {horrors} offending someone!

      Even ridiculous courage is refreshing these days.

      I would normally agree but historically a few German racists have gone on to become mass-murderers.

    10. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I want to get tricky, I am rather sure that if he tried this in the USA.....

      from TFA:

      "License change in February 2015:

      Starting from 1st February 2015, I do no longer permit the usage of my TREEFINDER software in the USA. "

      he did this already

    11. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      well, that guy is free to not make any money by selling to people with conflicting "beliefs". And Kim Davis was also free to resign and quit her job the moment she realized that her job duties would conflict with her beliefs. So I don't see any difference in how people would react.

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      bickerdyke
    12. Re: Everybody has to believe in something by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Bullies*.

    13. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Someone posting their beliefs that might be offensive or racist is "free speech". So posting your beliefs that certain someone is an asshole is being a "bully". Gotcha? It cuts both ways.

      --
      Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
    14. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except when it's removing the confederate flag from their offerings, that's different!

    15. Re:Everybody has to believe in something by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      anyone in particular or are you referring to the Austrian?

      --
      "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
  16. Is that even possible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure that's possible. Can you revoke a licence of an old program? You can change the licence for a new version, sure, but when I buy (or download) a program, the licence that comes with it *at that time* is the licence I have to adhere to I would think.

    But IANAL and the world is a strange and illogical place, so...

    1. Re:Is that even possible? by RDW · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not sure that's possible. Can you revoke a licence of an old program? You can change the licence for a new version, sure, but when I buy (or download) a program, the licence that comes with it *at that time* is the licence I have to adhere to I would think.

      From the manual:

      "By default, TREEFINDER displays a license notice every time the program is launched.
      Clicking the I-agree-button all the time might get on one's nerves after a while, so here is the
      trick how to switch it off: using a text editor to create a file containing the words 'I promise
      that I will always respect the current license conditions.' and save it in your 'Treefinder'
      directory as 'i_agree' (without a file extension!). You will never see the license notice again."

      and:

      "This license agreement is valid until the next software release. Afterwards, the license of the
      latest TREEFINDER version applies."

      So it looks like he was already a control freak back in 2011, and was attempting to reserve the right to impose retrospectively whatever licence he felt like issuing in the future. I suspect this wouldn't stand up to serious legal scrutiny, but it was already a big red flag before he went off the rails completely.

    2. Re:Is that even possible? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      And this is why EULAs (all of them, not just this one) are evil and must be abolished.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    3. Re:Is that even possible? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Between having to re-agree every time you run a program and this "workaround", it labels the guy as kind of insane.

      --
      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    4. Re:Is that even possible? by RDW · · Score: 1

      Companies with rental models like Adobe (with Creative Cloud) don't quite make you do this, though they have a similar level of control over the licence you have to agree to every time the subscription comes up for renewal. But at least we can understand their motivation (pure greed, rather than paranoid xenophobia).

    5. Re:Is that even possible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Labelled as insane? Maybe he's just trying to cover his legal bases as it's mis/understood.

      C'mon though tbh - please don't tell me the ability to argue conflicting rationales in the same case/trial is sane. This is what lawyers have to deal with on a regular basis though.

      Frankly it makes me just want to hang the lot of 'em. Logic just shouldn't be tortured in such ways.

    6. Re:Is that even possible? by Jim+Hall · · Score: 1

      So it looks like he was already a control freak back in 2011, and was attempting to reserve the right to impose retrospectively whatever licence he felt like issuing in the future. I suspect this wouldn't stand up to serious legal scrutiny, but it was already a big red flag before he went off the rails completely.

      Correct. You can only change the license for future versions of software. You cannot retroactively change the license for previously released versions.

      My understanding of the legal principle at work is called estoppel. (IANAL)

      Basically, you cannot prohibit someone from doing something that you already permitted them to do. If you allowed them to use your software before (the previous or current versions) you cannot later go back and say "I changed the license on you." Sure, you can change the license for future versions of the software. From my reading of his website, he is the sole author of the program, so he holds the copyright. He can choose to release the next version under a different license. But you are not allowed to retroactively change the license for previous versions.

  17. Barking up the wrong tree? by Sneeka2 · · Score: 2

    Problem: Immigrants are destroying my life!
    Solution: Prevent people in some countries from using some niche software very few people care about, least of all politicians, "big corporate" or said immigrants.

    Pure genius!

    --
    Bitten Apples are still better than dirty Windows...
    1. Re:Barking up the wrong tree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He ended up in /. for public ridicule, so he got what he wanted all along: attention, which his parents didn't supply him enough of. Or perhaps he was the only child and when his parents died, he realized that he was no longer the center of the world. At least he didn't grab a fine selection of guns to cause death and mayhem for that ever popular public demonification.

    2. Re:Barking up the wrong tree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was the immegrants that took your software! And you should be really, really mad at them!

      http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8iu6s_you-should-be-really-really-mad-at_shortfilms

    3. Re:Barking up the wrong tree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I don't know what a political statement is!" -- Sneeka2

    4. Re:Barking up the wrong tree? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It made people on a dying nearly obscure site like slashdot talk about this issue.

      Mission acomplished.

  18. Migrants should stay home and defend their country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    75% of the migrants are men. They chose a faith and now that its blowing up in their face they think they can just walk away from it and bring that cancer into Europe.

    They should go back home, pick up a rifle and defend their country. They owe to to their children, they owe it to their ancestors.

  19. quoting the man by fche · · Score: 3, Informative

    "I have not yet been rewarded for my work.
    I think we need a completely different political system.
    Nobody should depend on employers and landlords.
    Nobody should be profitable for someone rich.
    Nobody should have to pay rent, have to migrate.
    Most of all, we must limit private property.
    We must expropriate the rich.
    Free land for all!"

    1. Re:quoting the man by Sneeka2 · · Score: 1

      I wonder whether the first sentence is supposed to be a complaint or a badge of honour.

      And if a complaint, who is it addressed at? Some rich guy who realises his genius and dumps a ton of money on him? Wait... oh snap!

      --
      Bitten Apples are still better than dirty Windows...
    2. Re:quoting the man by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      That would take care of the problem as he is either crushed to death or suffocated.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  20. Strictly professional concern? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the migrations make idea of geographically mapping human genome obsolete and useless in the long run.

    1. Re:Strictly professional concern? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Yes and no as part of the result of mapping the human genome is more or less nothing but a map of earlier migrations. And in the very long run, while genetic difference may indeed blend and mix, evolution could come up with some new mutant variation proving successful. (lactose tolerance anyone?)

      --
      bickerdyke
  21. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Four out of five migrants are not from Syria:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240010/Number-refugees-arriving-Europe-soars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html

    Europeans have a right to be upset at their governments for what is going on.

  22. Re:Kudos by bunratty · · Score: 2

    Damn straight, just ask any Native American!

    --
    What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
  23. citizens start taking action by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

    This is an interesting way to take action. Not politically correct but as political correctness is almost unlimited immigration and anyone who dares say otherwise must be a racist xenophobe. As someone with kids in school I say with complete certainty that illegal immigration, which is one step worse than Europe's bungled current immigration, definitely hurts my family. How you ask? Class size and diverted resources for one. About 20% of the school is either an anchor baby or illegal. Much higher if you go back a generation. Larger classes and funds spent teaching them basic English mean a diminished education for the legal kids.

    1. Re:citizens start taking action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, based on historical trends with political action, the "correct" attitude is to oppose immigration, to blame everything on the perceived immigrant other, and claim that they're ruining the country.

      It actually takes a lot of courage to buck the trend and not blame others for your problems. IOW, to not be politically correct.

      Yeah, people use "Politically correct" to refer to what they perceive as left-wing attitudes, but the reality is that every partisan agenda has its conceptual dogma, and the one you're talking about? Has been around forever.

      But no, no, it's only "politically correct" to believe it's those dirty liberals who are emotional and not logical or rational at all.

    2. Re:citizens start taking action by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Amusingly enough your rant did not address how illegal immigration has hurt education for legal citizens. Both parties sold out the citizens on immigration, it's not a left/right thing.

    3. Re:citizens start taking action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amusingly enough, in case you didn't notice, I was discussing the topic of "political correctness" a subject you brought up, but you seem to be unaware how it applies to your own agenda, as "immigration" is a historical scapegoat, which yes, applies even to schools which have long been targets for all sorts of things, for a variety of reasons. Thus you are espousing a "politically correct" view along the right-wing lines yourself.

      Which, of course, was my point. You are leaping to the "politically correct" conclusion for your own perception.

      Don't pretend there is some meanie who is politically correct that you can portray as the enemy.

    4. Re:citizens start taking action by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Still waiting to hear how mass immigration doesn't hurt legal citizens kids, or are we willing to admit that they do? As the article was about someone taking a stand against mass immigration I'm on topic.

    5. Re: citizens start taking action by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm still wondering why people like you can't recognize your own political correctness or even notice how you demand others comply with your own preferred agenda.

      Can you explain that?

  24. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why isn't Saudi Arabia helping? They have a tent city with 100,000 air conditioned empty tents normally used by pilgrims:
    http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabia-has-100000-empty-air-conditioned-tents-that-can-house-3-million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/

    Instead they've offered to build 200 mosques in Germany:
    https://www.frontpagemag.com/point/260080/saudi-arabia-offers-build-200-mosques-syrians-daniel-greenfield

  25. GOOD FOR HIM!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's pretty much spot on. Good for him. Corporations are trying to destroy the EU nation states, though most of the people brought it upon themselves for agreeing to join the EU.

  26. Dan J. Bernstein, is that you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can just hear djb's weird old "thou shalt not build binaries with patches applied, thou shalt force users to themselves apply your unwelcome patches and apply them manually" licensing from Qmail and daemontools echoing through my head.

    Heck, if he'd not done the stupid licensing with daemontools, we'd have that now instead of the spreading ooze that is daemontools. Here's to software authors getting all..... strange.... about licensing!

  27. What some people fail to realise is that a lot of by Chrisq · · Score: 0

    What some people fail to realise is that a lot of immigrants are of benefit. Skilled professionals from India, laborers from Eastern Europe are all good. And when the Muslims rise up against us they will be on our side, so the more the better

  28. You SJW wankers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice to see the Islamic Internet Defense Force is up in arms over this.

  29. Blindness by nitehawk214 · · Score: 3, Funny

    He can't see the forest despite the treefinder.

    --
    I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
  30. Western media not sharing the whole story by sideslash · · Score: 0, Troll

    It is not true that these are largely displaced Syrian families. Most of the migrants are young men and 4 out of 5 are not from Syria. In the highest traditions of Slashdot, I haven't read the article, but just from the summary I am not going to assume that this individual is a racist jerk.

    If part of your basic assumptions include that every country (or region, like the EU) should have open borders, you should question that assumption. The same thought process applies on the USA's southern border. A constant stream of undocumented, unscreened, and (ahem) illegal immigrants is not healthy for a country for multiple reasons, and there's nothing wrong with decrying a leftist-enabled descent into greater levels of cultural and legal anarchy.

    1. Re:Western media not sharing the whole story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's happening in Sweden is a good example of the grief immigration is causing in Europe.

      http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150625/1023830315.html

    2. Re:Western media not sharing the whole story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're hoping for the Fourth Reich, are ya. Show us your anger and Fuhrer-y....

    3. Re:Western media not sharing the whole story by Whorhay · · Score: 0

      Oh, what a bunch of bullshit.

      Immigration is a positive net affect for a country the vast majority of the time. Illegal immigration is a problem in the USA only because our politicians insist on keeping it that way. I've known people who where here in the USA for more than a dozen years legally trying to get permanent papers before finally getting it. If we killed the pointless war on drugs and simply issued social security numbers to those that asked in a timely manner illegal border crossings would be a thing of the past.

    4. Re:Western media not sharing the whole story by sideslash · · Score: 1

      So we have to choose between open borders or the Third Reich. Definitely no shades of gray on this issue, just stark black and white? Somehow I am unconvinced.

    5. Re:Western media not sharing the whole story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need, the status quo ante will suffice just fine.

    6. Re:Western media not sharing the whole story by sideslash · · Score: 1

      Immigration is a positive net affect for a country the vast majority of the time.

      Somebody else replied and called me a Nazi, so I feel compelled to point out that you mean "effect" above. Beyond that, this seems like a subjective opinion. In particular, tell that to all the African Americans who are being squeezed out of the job market by illegal aliens. Tell that to the European women who must "cover up" and can no longer go some places safely for fear of rape, or to pretty much any Jew in Paris...

      Illegal immigration is a problem in the USA only because our politicians insist on keeping it that way. I've known people who where here in the USA for more than a dozen years legally trying to get permanent papers before finally getting it. If we killed the pointless war on drugs and simply issued social security numbers to those that asked in a timely manner illegal border crossings would be a thing of the past.

      No, if we become (administratively speaking) friendlier to and more accepting of illegal aliens, then even larger masses of foreign citizens are likely to come over. Not sure why you would think otherwise. I'll leave the "legalizing drugs" thing alone, except to note that you may be smoking something potent if you think that's the way to make "illegal border crossings a thing of the past".

    7. Re:Western media not sharing the whole story by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      Crime is crime, the numbers might go up with large influxes of people. But they will still likely stay at historically very low rates. We hear a lot more about crime today than in times past simply because we live in a more connected world and so are exposed to sensational news from all corners of the world. Crime rates have a lot of room to grow again before they impact the average person noticeably.

      I never presumed that having more open borders and immigration policy would lead to less people immigrating, why would you even imagine that? Immigration is good, I would be very happy to see a lot more immigration in the USA. If you open the borders and hand out green cards to all interested parties then you've eliminate the largest motivation for illegally crossing the border, and hence being an illegal alien. I've never heard of an immigrant that wanted to be here illegally rather than legally, being illegal is simply the most practical option for most of them.

      Illegal aliens hurt job prospects for unskilled natives because they have little to no recourse when offered wages below the legal requirements. By legalizing immigration those workers can demand they be paid the legal minimum, and so you actually hand the advantage back to the native because they already speak the language. The applicable communities also benefit since those workers can be paid above the table and have taxes collected. Since there will be a larger pool of laborers to draw from obviously jobs could get a littler harder to find. That said, most of the jobs that have been created since the 2008 economic mess have been in the unskilled labor bracket.

      I've never smoked, drank, sniffed, snorted, or consumed in any fashion anything that is legally prohibited in the USA. I've also never consumed alcoholic beverages or tobacco products. I've never experimented with anything that has ended up eventually being banned or restricted. I do so for my own personal beliefs, those same beliefs though demand that I not tell others what they can or can't consume so long as it doesn't victimize another. Alcohol prohibition failed and was eventually repealed, and the war on drugs is similarly a losing proposition and simply a waste of resources and human potential. I only brought it up because aside from illegal immigration drug smuggling is probably the biggest driver of illegal border crossings.

    8. Re:Western media not sharing the whole story by sideslash · · Score: 1

      A question for you: Would America be stronger or weaker if we gained millions of immigrants speaking thousands of mutually unintelligible languages, but not including English? Wouldn't there be real difficulties with infrastructure, and simply with people interacting with each other? What you seem to have missed is that the problem with the languages can also apply to other cultural differences that lead to clashes. It is socially harmful to inject incompatible cultures en masse into a population, and much better for the host country to control/limit immigration to those who seem most ready and willing to assimilate. Diversity for its own sake is frequently NOT a net benefit. Now, don't get me wrong -- sub-cultures are perfectly fine, whether Italian Americans, Kurdish Americans, etc., but they do all need to be "Americans" and learn English in order for their presence to optimally benefit America.

      Key word above is "assimilate".

    9. Re:Western media not sharing the whole story by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      History already answered this question. It doesn't happen overnight, and it might even take a generation, but immigrants in huge numbers have been successfully integrated before in the USA. Ellis Island is a popular tourist spot because many Americans are direct descendants of people who passed through there at some point. I'm descended from people who arrived as part of British colonization, Scottish cattle rustlers, French Terror refugees, some Germans, and if you believe family folk lore a couple Native American Indians. And that's just the stuff I can recall off the top of my head.

      I agree with the idea that we don't want our country filled with lots of little subdivided groups that refuse to associate and mingle. And I don't have any easy solutions for making immigrants 'assimilate' as you call it. But I can tell you for sure that by stigmatizing immigrants and freaking out about it in general we only encourage immigrant groups to close in on themselves and avoid cultural mingling. If we're afraid of our culture changing as a result of immigration, we'll just have to get over it. Culture is always changing and trying to crystallize it is a hopeless and fruitless endeavor.

  31. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right? They got completely rekt by the white devil.

  32. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mainstream media is covering up stories of rampant rape and child abuse so that the public welcomes more economic migrants:
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6501/migration-crisis-germany

    Mainstream media is covering up the hatred and violence of many economic migrants:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV315xqbRK8

    Apparently most of them are grown men, and they're not all coming from Syria. ISIS openly said they are going to take advantage of the situation and send fighters all over the world.

    I maintain the view that all military-serve-aged males among the refugees should be conscripted to fight ISIS instead of fleeing. If they refuse, carpet bomb the Middle East into rubble and then send everyone back home.

  33. Re:Kudos by ScentCone · · Score: 0, Troll

    Damn straight, just ask any Native American!

    You mean, the people who were born here to migrants from Asia? Those "native" Americans? Anyone born in the US is just as native as those we call Native Americans. And they (that sprawling collection of stone age tribes) were quite good at using violence to take territory, possessions, and people from each others' tribes and turf. Playing the Native American card in order to distract from the problem of huge numbers of immigrants swamping Europe's entitlement states is intellectually lazy, at best.

    --
    Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  34. from his website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have not yet been rewarded for my work.
    I think we need a completely different political system.
    Nobody should depend on employers and landlords.
    Nobody should be profitable for someone rich.
    Nobody should have to pay rent, have to migrate.
    Most of all, we must limit private property.
    We must expropriate the rich.
    Free land for all!

    That last one though...not so much, apparently.

  35. Re:Good by The+Rizz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The truth of Islam, is that it is never happy being the little church down the road, it must be the church, the state, and the law.

    So, basically the same same as Christianity, then?

  36. Attention grab by Bizzeh · · Score: 1

    "hmmn... havnt had any publicity in a while... i need a bit of attention... what do i do" ...

    BINGO!

  37. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Wait... You think Saudi Arabia wants them? Hah! Pull the other leg and maybe I'll do a trick. Nobody, except maybe Iceland, wants them from what I can see. I guess I can understand why and I don't have the answers.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  38. Diagnostic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only amateur here, but I would say:

    "Borderline Personality Disorder"
    and most definitely Cluster B.

    What do my dear fellow Slashdotters think?
    Any professionals from the mental health area reading this?

  39. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The part about Sweden is a theoretical possibility, in that somebody managed to dig up an old law, and not even about homes.

    The German one is about a woman who rented an apartment in a building, and the land lord has decided to stop renting out apartments, and sell the whole building. She has been given over half a years notice, apparently more than German law requires.

    The headline is just right wing extremist propaganda.

  40. schadenfreude by Revek · · Score: 1

    Its what I feel when I see these Europeans griping about what most of them deride the US for. It may be wrong but it is funny.

  41. Rampant Re-Definition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is that we're living in an age of rampant re-definition. We have concepts like cyber-assault. We have changing meanings of climate change. We have wildly flexible definitions of "refugee", etc.

    The EU has recently redefined "refugee" to include "economic refugees". Yes, 'economic refugees' fleeing poverty are now "entitled" to refugee status.

    This is social justice taken to the point of civilizational destabilization.

    The fact that the media is apparently unable to make heads-or-tales of the massive numbers of refugees from *non war-torn* nations like Pakistan, Egypt and across North Africa, shows just how deep our dysfunctional ability to define "refugee" has become.

    And yes, there are malicious actors in the mix.

    What is perhaps most disturbing is that Europe's "solution" to a problem on a different continent is to open it's doors and share it's wealth. While Syria's neighboring nations haven't lifted a finger.

    Europe seems to be flying on the vapors of it's own moral awesomeness without a shred of financial, political or historic awareness.

    This will of course, end extremely badly.

    But that's what happens when you allow radical philosophers to redefine core civilizational concepts.

    For the record: There's no such thing as an economic refugee. Or cyber violence for that matter.

    1. Re:Rampant Re-Definition by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      you'll need to provide citations before anyone believes all your crap

      --
      "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
  42. I'm disgusted at this racists site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is this dude even getting /. coverage? Holy shit you're not showing empathy with him are ya?

    1. Re:I'm disgusted at this racists site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh yes, social justice. Even talking about racial issues without foaming at the mouth makes you a racist.

  43. read his manifest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    [Gangolf Jobb] My reasons:

    (1) I want to protest against American imperialism, which I regard as the cause of most of all evil in the world: wars, tyranny, poverty, migration.

    (2) I want to protest against EU tyranny, which is mostly the result of US imperialism.

    (3) I want to demonstrate my sovereignty, something I would welcome to see much more often in science and politics.

    In particular, I dislike that the USA and the EU aggressively promote a way of life that conflicts with my own way of life.

    Sounds like the typical Slashdot poster from Europe to me. It's no accident that xenophobia and anti-Americanism go hand-in-hand in Europe, they always have done so.

  44. Re:What some people fail to realise is that a lot by Revek · · Score: 0

    Doubtful on all counts. H1B visas take jobs from Americans. Its only good for the lucky visa holders and the corporations who don't have to pay citizens of the country where they reside. Its a joke to think muslims will rise up against us. They kill each other more often than they kill us.

  45. This quote sounds almost like the Moo Cow AC... by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    "Immigration to my country harms me, it harms my family, it harms my people. Whoever invites or welcomes immigrants to Europe and Germany is my enemy."

  46. Re:Good by gurps_npc · · Score: 2
    The same is (or at the very least was) true for Roman Catholicism (Rome), Mormonism (Utah), and to a lesser extent the far majority of Christian churches.

    The major innovation that the Christians created (and Islam copied) is the idea of "you must belong to us". Christianity used "if you don't you go to hell" - a concept unheard of before then, while Islam came up with "and you can't quit us afterwards".

    Up until then, Judaism, Hinduism, and the rest of the world's religions were "If you want to join us, you have to prove yourself worthy".

    So don't go complaining about Islam being expansionist, when they just copied the Christians.

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    excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
  47. The guy is desparate - mainstream media are biased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The guy is simply desperate to get some attention.

    I live in the EU and the mainstream media are totally biased pro-immigrant. Comments on the immigrant issues are usually turned offed, polls are not published, articles are 100% immigrant-friendly.

    If you do not follow this pattern - you are racist , xenophob etc.

    However if you talk to people - people are 80% anti-immigrant.

    We do believe we should help the poor people but the help should go to camps in LIban, Turkey, Jordania, to women and children who are there, not to young fit guys coming here. We should also increase military help to stabilize situation in Syria.

    The number of immigrants coming is way over the assimilation ability of Germany and other popular countries.

  48. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn straight, just ask any Native American!

    That's an entirely different situation. Native Americans didn't allow large numbers of Europeans to settle in their midst; in fact, they fought it every step of the way. Native Americans lost because European diseases spread like wildfire through their populations and left them unable to defend themselves.

  49. You go dude by BlueCoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Immigration is an important economic issue. It's lowers wages. It's a way to balance economic forces but if unchecked it gives businesses an unfair pool of low wages employees. If you don't respect parts of your country for it's economic impact on your then I don't see anything wrong with what your doing as a "statement of protest". You have the unalienable right to express your dissatisfaction. But being realistic it just won't have an economic impact.

    1. Re:You go dude by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Actually studies suggest that immigration improves life for everyone in the medium to long term. There are some short term issues, but once resolved immigrants are a net benefit to most countries. It's the acute problems that people see though, not the long term more general and economic benefits.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:You go dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is a country's economy more important than its culture?

    3. Re:You go dude by TheSync · · Score: 1

      Unskilled immigration tends to raise earnings of skilled workers due to the effect of comparative advantage raising the productivity levels of both immigrants and natives.

    4. Re:You go dude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in summary, we should send all the mexicans to syria, and in 30 years, they'll be a world leader?

    5. Re:You go dude by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 1

      Immigration is an important economic issue. It's lowers wages.

      There may be other reasons you may not want large numbers of Muslim migrants coming to Europe, but economically, immigration is a clear win. It doesn't matter whether the immigrants are skilled or not, and the younger they are the better. It's an even bigger win for Europe with its aging demographics.

  50. Come on over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There should be a list for people to volunteer to shelter some immigrants. Anyone who signs up will be partnered with a number of immigrants of their choosing. They'll be fully responsible for all of their needs (clothing shelter, food, healthcare, education, integration with society) and fully responsible for any wrongdoings they commit.

    They won't get to handpick their immigrants. They might get a family that is looking to integrate with their host country, or they might get violent and backward ones.

    Who here wants to sign up? I sure see a lot of comments here of people demonizing all anti-immigrant sentiment.

  51. Licences by ledow · · Score: 2

    And this is why I like freedom in my licences as a consumer.

    Sorry, pull this and lose my custom.

    But I certainly will never give you a way to pull this on me retroactively or on a product I currently have and rely on.

    The door swings both ways - you can't impose your political beliefs on me, and I can't stop you selling the software in your homeland either (unless you're doing something illegal there, etc.).

    1. Re:Licences by Macman408 · · Score: 1

      The door swings both ways - you can't impose your political beliefs on me, and I can't stop you selling the software in your homeland either (unless you're doing something illegal there, etc.).

      Don't worry, he's stopping *himself* from selling the software in his homeland. Although the term "selling" is generous - it's a free license. And as Wikipedia notes, the license distributed with the software states that the license is valid until the next version of the program is published, at which time the new version's license will apply to the older version - but no new version has been released since 2011; so in case anybody is still using this crackpot's software, they can just ignore all his crazy licensing changes in the past year.

  52. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boy I wish I had mod points to give you Rizz...

  53. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I maintain the view that all military-serve-aged males among the refugees should be conscripted to fight ISIS instead of fleeing. If they refuse, carpet bomb the Middle East into rubble and then send everyone back home.

    And women... unless you want to go public about how women are unfit for military work and how they should stay at home and make sandwich for the patriarchy? Yeah, I thought so. Filthy coward. You fear the feminists and are willing to sacrificial the disposable men for women's benefit. Just kill yourself already.

  54. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You're linking to kook sites. Why do you want to present yourself as a crazy person?

  55. an interesting pun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His (the author's) family name is Jobb. Does he have something in common with the Hungarian far-right party Jobbik?

  56. How racism? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nationalism, yes.

    But wanting to stop the flow if illegal immigrants is not racism, because you don't care what color they are - just that people should immigrate legally, so that they can come in at a rate that they can mesh well with existing society.

    That is merely realizing that a national identity has value, and is worth protecting...

    Mind you, I disagree with how they are trying to protect against immigration - what if some of the people they have blocked are supporters of their cause? Perhaps instead they should demand public statements on websites of the companies denouncing illegal immigration.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:How racism? by dave420 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He didn't mention anything about them being legal or illegal, just that "migrants are bad" for Germany, even though every single study on the issue shows quite the opposite. So yeah, he's a nationalist, xenophobic, ignorant muppet who would rather put hundreds of thousands of people in dangerous circumstances before looking past his own nose.

    2. Re:How racism? by SuperKendall · · Score: 0, Troll

      He also didn't mention race, thanks for making my point.

      even though every single study on the issue shows quite the opposite.

      To a point, yes, which is why most companies allow legal immigration. At some point though having a swelling underclass that is diametrically opposed to your own values is not a good thing.

      It's nice that gay marriage advocates had a few good years for example, but that will probably start to be swept away in about ten years or so... is that really a GOOD thing?

      You also don't have to be a xenophobe to want to enforce borders.

      would rather put hundreds of thousands of people in dangerous circumstances

      They brought themselves over, they could have stayed in Turkey or lots of other places along the way. There are plenty of places in the middle east that are not dangerous, yet they pass right through those areas even though they are no longer in danger. Beyond that why should any country be compelled to take anyone from anywhere just because they want to move in?

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    3. Re:How racism? by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      National identity is the kind of thing that stuffs the world up.
      I can't understand those that feel proud of a geographical area they happen to live in, especially when they simultaneously destroy the environment that makes any place great to be.
      The concept of patriotism is in my opinion, absurd.

    4. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell does same sex marriage have to do with immigration and refugees? If anything, a person who opposes immigration because they believe that it destabilizes society should favor same sex marriage on the basis that more married couples make society more stable.

    5. Re:How racism? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      What the hell does same sex marriage have to do with immigration and refugees?

      Because ALL of the people currently migrating virulently oppose gay marriage, as they supplant the population eventually the votes will be there (or the government overthrown) and then bye-bye anything a fundamentalist religion does not like.

      Of course long before then a number of openly gay people will be killed in the streets and so forth.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    6. Re:How racism? by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't understand those that feel proud of a geographical area they happen to live in

      Really? That's quite sad you grew up in some kind of dictatorship shithole; but that's not true of everyone.

      I'm pretty proud of free speech, the ability for women to drive and vote (or even voting in general), and that people can marry whoever they like.

      All of those things are going to go away with a large enough migration from a people who support none of them.

      The future belongs to the people who show up, the future doesn't care who that it but you might even if you don't realize it yet.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    7. Re:How racism? by Anna+Merikin · · Score: 1

      It was Fritz Perls IIRC who remarked, "Of what benefit is it to adapt to a psychotic culture?"

      Just asking....

    8. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tribalism is tribalism and is the root cause of the creation of these refugees in the first place. Human nature coopted for greed.

    9. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > At some point though having a swelling underclass that is diametrically opposed to your own values is not a good thing.

      Universally, mass immigration raises wages of the existing citizens (for any skilled labor) by creating a de facto slave class in the immediate future. Long term, you end up with a large amount of poor and destitute. This trashes the wages in the least skilled areas of the economy (labor, transport, farming, factory line workers) immediately and long term. It's difficult to detect trends when every analysis seems to have a strong bias toward or against the effects of immigration. Almost all immigration is travel from weak economy to strong economy, not counting tourism immigration for things like anchor babies or benefits or medical necessity. Stronger economies have been lucky as birth rates dropped. Kids are more expensive than immigrant labor. It's a shift in the world economy that's ubiquitous now.

    10. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of that has anything to do with the geographical location. Your country could be anywhere. You described that you might live in the US or UK or Spain or countless other places. I literally can't tell which. WAY TO COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT.

    11. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i'm of a similar opinion. what is there to be proud of, in the context of where one was born, or who one's great grandparents happened to be. i had nothing to do with any of that, there was no accomplishment on my part; had it all happened in a different country, i'd still be "me".

    12. Re:How racism? by gay358 · · Score: 1

      At least studies in Norway and Sweden show that on average, humanitarian immigrant causes lifetime net cost of about 500 000-1000 000 euros despite the fact that some of them manage to get employed. It means that 1000 humanitarian immigrants costs 500-1000 millions, 100 000 humanitarian immigrants cost 50-100 billion etc. And at the current speed, the numbers are soon rising to several hundreds of thousands persons quite fast, with no end in sight and we are talking about relatively small countries which are providing social security for them.

      For example, for some time the number of asylum seekers from Sweden to Finland was typically about 1000 persons a day, which means 365 000 persons a year. The population of Finland is about 5.5 millions, the number of babies born during a year in Finland is under 60 000 persons, the number of already unemployed persons is 222 000 and the unemployment percentage is about 8,3. The size of governmental budget is about 55 billions and the budget deficit is even before this flood several billions a year. We have had persons from Iraq and Somalia for about 20 years here and their employment percentages have remained at around 15 percent even during good economic times and now Finland is in severe economical problems and having all kinds of austerity measures.

      At the moment the number of new persons coming to Finland is about 300-400 persons a day (109500-14600 during year), maybe because we are tightening the rules and asylum policies, but it is still completely unsustainable on the long term. The total tax rate is already 44,5 %, and we cannot raise it over to 100 %. And even something near 100 % would cause the economy to collapse. And the costs for providing social security was already 66 billions (part of it is covered by municipality instead of government) in 2014, before the flood of asylum seekers really started.

    13. Re:How racism? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      To a point, yes, which is why most companies allow legal immigration.

      Nice slip up! But actually you got it right, governments are owned...

      You also don't have to be a xenophobe to want to enforce borders.

      Yeah you do. Tear 'em all down. Nationalism is just another form of bigotry against people who weren't born in your neighborhood... Even more primitive, it's plain old animals marking their territory. Travel is too easy now. Most of the time is wasted doing paperwork. There's no reason to impede the right to move about freely.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    14. Re:How racism? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      None of that has anything to do with the geographical location. Your country could be anywhere

      Actually no. He's quite clearly not in Saudi Arabia, where women can't freely drive. He's clearly not in certain parts of Syria or Iraq, where people can't vote. He's clearly not in Russia, where men can't marry whoever they want.

      WAY TO COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT.

      Well, yes. You did.

    15. Re: How racism? by snowsnoot · · Score: 1

      I disagree, if you're speaking about immigration vs tourism that is. Nationalism is closely tied to societal customs, and if you like your society the way it is then you have to protect it from groups of people who would seek to change it. This is exactly the concern of the naysayers. To be fair I think most people don't oppose immigration so long as the immigrant groups allowed in have a history of integrating well with their current society. In other words, they don't like Muslim/Islamic culture. Go figure.

    16. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it is as completely absurd as dismissing an argument based on the region of support, but that seems alive and well in the people who question the value of patriotism in the US.

    17. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe that American culture is much stronger than you do. They will be assimilated.

    18. Re:How racism? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      What the hell does same sex marriage have to do with immigration and refugees?

      Ask the Archbishop of Jeddah.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    19. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have a proof that *all* of them oppose gay marriage? (I'm not even asking you to prove that they all oppose virulently...) And how many generation before your "supplant the population"? How will the mentality of their children, grand-children, ... will have changed at that point? (I'm not really thinking like my grand-father, maybe I'm an exception?)

    20. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not 500 000 to 1 000 000. That's 175 000 to 200 000, and the unit is SEK, you can divide it by 10 to get a gross estimation.

    21. Re:How racism? by gay358 · · Score: 1

      The estimates I have seen, have been about 500 000 - 1000 000 EUROs, not SEK. BTW, it has been estimated that a native Finnish person who is unemployed most of his life, will cost about 1000 000 euros during lifetime. And the employment rate of Iraqis and Somalis is very low, about 15 percent, in Finland. So it is unsurprising that the cost level is roughly in the same ballpark with so low employment rates.

    22. Re:How racism? by gay358 · · Score: 1

      I think here is one example of the estimated costs of immigrants in Norway, which is near the levels I mentioned:

      http://www.ssb.no/a/publikasjo...

      http://www.hegnar.no/multimedi...

    23. Re:How racism? by garethjrowlands · · Score: 1

      The population of Germany is vastly bigger than the population of Syria. 800K people is approx 1% of the population of Germany. Germany is taking a lot of asylum seekers but it's still a fair way before they "supplant the population". Is the US supplanted by the jews? Is the UK supplanted by the Huguenots?

    24. Re:How racism? by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      i take it you've been to the camps and spoken to all of them. just because someone's religion espouses homophobia doesn;t mean they are all anti-gay otherwise you'll have to say ALL christians and jews are anti-gay homophobes as well.

      --
      "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
    25. Re:How racism? by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      whoosh.. his point about geographical location went, unsurprisingly, straight over your head

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      "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
    26. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just that "migrants are bad" for Germany, even though every single study...
      ------------
      It really depends on that definition of what is bad for Germany and what is good for Germany in those studies... IMHO it is prejudice to tell someone what is "better for them" - they have the final choice in this matter and studies in that choice has zero weight(unless studies analyses migrants as food source and probably that wasn't why thoise studies were mentioned (; ). Because if that is the case, when whole nation has to subdue and accept what is better for them, then we really must have to ask a question, how that is worser than what Hitler did - he knew what was best for German nation as well - only instead of subjugation of germans he(and germans who had devotion to idea) exterminated jews and others in the neverending list.

      In USSR immigrants were first to get housing, better paid jobs, easier way to get into university etc. And from what I can observe - western nations has won USSR by implementing communism, what USSR couldn't and immigration is one of the instruments in that ideology, so I'm not that surprised in this development.

      Btw, to those that come from USSR, this trend of mass migration might look very recognizable, as mass migration was one of the tools to slowly assimilate local ethnicities. All - in the name of internationalism and socialism - love to humans and progress... blah blah etc. only at the end it didn't really worked, and USSR dissolved, when azerbaijanis started to kill and rape armenians, similar effects of "brotherly" love happened in Fergana valley and Georgia ended divided by ethnicities... ironically Stalin was from Georgia and at some point was comrade to Hitler - they even made joint parades on Red Square - soviet and nazi army. This is what is called full circle of life. I'm kinda sorry for Germans, but they come to that - not because what their ancestors did to other people, but because of their attitude of those events - nazi cooperated with Turkey and arabs and all of them share similar superiority complex, so finally all of the bunch can come together.

      I find it unmotivated, that Germany after reconcilation(kinda) with jews stopped there - there are many other nations they had to reconcile, but in reality instead of helpers their superior sh*t crawls out when they have arguments with others. Like in the case with Greece, where Germans bluntly started to tell greeks that they are lazy, without realizing that last(and always - most memorable) occupants of Greece were germans and they have not done enough to reconcile... all the massacres and trauma for people in next generations, not to mention unsignificant matters, like stolen golden reserves of Greece and destroyed infrastructure. After the end of WW2 Germany paid to Greece mere millions. There is a large list of countries, to whom Germany has not paid at all - nor did any apologies. But if germans have decided, that they better are going along the trail of conifers, by doing whatever dominant ideology forces upon them, instead of thinking of their own and searching ways to reconcile with themselves and those whom they have harmed, well - it is their choice. Anyway, my wish is that everyone gets what they want and in this case - also what is "best for them" and good for Germany ;)

    27. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up in the USA. After Sept. 11, I joined the Army, infantry, in the hope of defending the country I loved. Instead I went to Iraq and did horrible things to innocents. After that, I moved to Belgium (by reason of marriage), a land where there are no patriots.I see now they Belgians were right about that. Patriotism is for the naive. You appropriate the positives of history and simply forget the bad. Ah, if I had a euro for every time my father told my father in law about how "we" saved them from the Nazis (they were both born in 1947). Of course, he had nothing to do with slavery or the genocide of native americans.

      I grew up hearing about the unparalled beauty of the Rockies. Then I saw the Andes and discovered how piddly they are. I thought Americans were so kind, then I went to Guatemala and discovered truly kind people. I thought our history was so grand, then I discovered the richness of the history of Europe. The only thing patriotism did for me was give me the blinders necessary to go fuck over a bunch of Iraqis so that American businessmen could get rich.

      You can deeply appreciate the physical beauty, culture and history of the place you live. But to convince yourself that it is somehow better is stupid. It is truly sad that patriots will never know the true beauty of the world.

    28. Re:How racism? by thoromyr · · Score: 4, Informative

      And, interestingly enough, nationalism is a recent invention. We are taught that there are distinct countries and the implication is that this has always been the case. If nothing else, people are either told or simply assume that before nations there were tribes and that tribalism preceded nationalism. But it isn't true.

      There is a related problem, that of language. We like to pretend that languages are distinct and have clear boundaries. Someone speaks English, or German or Spanish or... But this notion of language is fairly modern and isn't even true. This is tacitly acknowledged by adding labels to indicate region, recognizing that American English is not the same as British English. Nor is the English spoken in India the same as either of those. Egyptian Arabic is a mix of Arabic and British English with some older Egyptian vocabulary thrown in.

      Being a dead language, Latin was fairly defined as a language circa 800 AD, but the people inhabiting what we now call France did not refer to themselves as French, German or in fact any national or tribal identity. The term "the Franks" is more modern than anything else. Historically membership in a tribe was a hand wavy group identification, not about ethnicity or heredity. If you asked a Frank about his identity as a Frank you would have confused him. If you asked him what language he spoke it would similarly have confused him.

      Linguists have labels for dead "languages" but the truth is there is no hard definition for what such a language was or who spoke it. If you started on the west coast and traveled east the spoken language would shift from place to place with generally increasing differences. The closest you get is a sort of civic identity where someone felt attachment to the city of his birth, but it is reading too much into it to regard it as a precursor to nationalism.

      When King Harald set out to unite Norway there was no strict geographical boundary. People who lived in what we now call Norway didn't identify themselves as "Norwegians". They lived in familial groups, households, and identified with their relatives though certainly not in a tribal sense. Individuals who didn't like King Harald's requirement for land ownership left, mostly for Iceland, where family continued to be the most significant group identity and there was certainly no national identity.

      No, nationalism was consciously invented as a tool to rally the mass of people behind a political figure or organization. Nationalism, and its sister patriotism, are tools to control a population. It is nationalism that encourages xenophobia. Despite a popular modern conception that primitive peoples were distrustful of outsiders, by and large what we have observed is the opposite. At least, those groups that survived with a primitive lifestyle to more modern times have failed to be adequately suspicious of foreign intruders.

      It is modern nationalism, not primitive tribalism, that leads to xenophobia.

    29. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How enlightened and civilized. The American Indians did not have a national identity. Now they all (the ones that are not dead) live on the reservation. The uncivilized Europeans, who did have an overabundance of National pride just kind of relocated those silly Indians. I do not understand people like you. I understand this mad scientist programmer however. Your gradfathers / great grandfathers would have understood this programmer. It is not about morality. It is about protecting what is yours. If you are so enlightened, I suggest you kill yourself in order to make room for some of these disenfranchised immigrants. The stronger more barbaric peoples replace the weak and effete people. History has shown this again and again. It is just that Europe and the USA have become weak and effete, and so this guy sounds like a mad man to them. However, there are still strong nations on the earth. Putin, Russia, China, and these immigrants will soon be taking over.

      If the tide was turned around, I am sure the immigrants would have no problem keeping you out of their farm or land.

    30. Re: How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because muslims

    31. Re:How racism? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      After that, I moved to Belgium (by reason of marriage), a land where there are no patriots.

      Plainly, you don't know your history... or the Belgians (I have also been to Belgium a number of times and have friends there).

      You'll see it soon enough.

      As for kind people, they are everywhere - until circumstances force them to go hard, which can happen anywhere. People are people.

      Nationalism is not about rocks. It is about people and how they relate to each other.

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    32. Re:How racism? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      That's because location is irrelevant to nationalism, nor is it in any way what nationalism is about. There was no point to miss.

      Thought experiment: Are Americans on the moon still Americans?

      --
      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    33. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're proud of something you had no hand in achieving. Luckily for you you were born there.
      And your plan for protecting this achievement is to build walls all around your country, and do nothing to help those that want to fight for a better future. Your ancestor would be proud.

    34. Re:How racism? by Rastafario · · Score: 2

      How this got modded 5 insightful is beyond me. I've lived in cosmopolitan societies for a long time, one thing I've noticed that all races tend to stick together, the more of one kind in one place tends to let other kinds know in many ways they are not welcome. Disagree? Prove me wrong. Those that are tolerant like that naive person I am replying to are in a minority. Unless you think that your gene-pool and culture should disappear, the struggle of your ancestors to go in wane, support unchecked immigration, because that is precisely what is going to happen, and it won't take all that long either. Mark my words.

    35. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I can't understand those that feel proud of a geographical area they happen to live in"

      Speaking geographically...

      You grow up in a place. You find it physically beautiful. You come to love it.

      Do you not like where you are from? Where you live now?

      As to the second part which I did not quote... you will not find me disagreeing or offering any explanations there...

    36. Re:How racism? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Because ALL of the people currently migrating virulently oppose gay marriage, as they supplant the population eventually the votes will be there (or the government overthrown) and then bye-bye anything a fundamentalist religion does not like.

      First of all, it will take decades until they are allowed to vote.
      Secondly, most european democracies don't work like that.
      We have multi party systems, where the parliament members have much more power than the "president". There is no way in freezing hell that a leading figure can get by pure voting enough power to change laws regarding gay marriage.

      Of course long before then a number of openly gay people will be killed in the streets and so forth. and the culprits will be prosecuted.

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    37. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't understand those that feel proud of a geographical area they happen to live in

      Really? That's quite sad you grew up in some kind of dictatorship shithole; but that's not true of everyone.

      I'm pretty proud of free speech, the ability for women to drive and vote (or even voting in general), and that people can marry whoever they like.

      Really? How many of those things are you actually responsible for? I'm happy that they exist, but I typically don't take pride in stuff I didn't earn. None of us chose our parents, our gender, our race, or our place of birth. Taking pride in something you had no say in is for people who have nothing of their own to be proud of.

    38. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He grew up in falcon hell most probably.

    39. Re: How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take that back! That's an insult to Muppets!

    40. Re:How racism? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      even though every single study on the issue shows quite the opposite.

      Cite one. One that deals with the scale we're looking at here.

      The Guardian said 750,000 which means it's going to be well over a million.

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    41. Re:How racism? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      Not only is immigration good for Germany, it is essential for the economy as the peak of the Baby Boom generation reaches retirement age over the next 15 years. By 2030 their workforce will be 80% of what it is now, with the population down only a few percent. Other Western countries are in similar situations (though Germany is one of the most severe cases).

    42. Re:How racism? by jrumney · · Score: 1

      All of those things are going to go away with a large enough migration from a people who support none of them.

      What do Saudis have to do with the current wave of immigration?

    43. Re:How racism? by harlequinn · · Score: 1

      If borders were torn down overnight, there would be massive migrant influxes to some countries and cities such that those countries and cities would have their social and physical infrastructure overwhelmed. E.g. A ridiculous amount of people from Central and South America would flood into New Mexico and Texas.

      It would need to be graduated to prevent this.

      Note: Nationalism is not a subset of bigotry. They are two quite different things. Nationalism doesn't necessarily even have to be xenophobic (i.e. you can love you country without hating or fearing anyone else).

    44. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://folk.uio.no/kjstore/pap... "An average new immigrant represents a net government loss of 175,000 SEK ($20,500), given the baseline parameterization"

    45. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No country has complete freedom of speech, especially not without consequences, and you can't "marry whoever you want" if you are gay, under a certain age or into polygamy in pretty much every Western country in the world. Whether these restrictions bother you isn't the point.

      The problem with patriots is you deliberately downplay your own restrictions while pointing fingers at others. Statistically speaking there is a 100% chance that one or more people already living in your town is a paedophile, murderer, rapist, sadist or corporate/state-sponsored psychopath. Just because they live near you doesn't make them the same as you and just because they come from another place doesn't make them different either.

      Patriotism is just selective blindness regarding the true nature of people. It's also an amazingly lazy way of thinking.

      Patriots have an entitlement complex. Patriots are elitist aristocratic shitheads, even the poor ones. Patriots ARE racists. Patriots are dumb.fucks.

      I avoid them at all costs.

    46. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any time immigration is discussed in these counties right now, they are specifically talking about the disruptive mass immigration that has been going on. I have my own issues with immigration in the US and it's no where near the level of what these EU countries are facing. My issues have nothing at all to do with racism. I love to meet people from different countries. I love meeting and socializing with people from south of our border. However, I also like things about my country that a mass influx of people not of this country would put into harms way.

      Our immigrants are different from the ones in the EU though. The Muslim religion is at odds with democracy and freedom at best, at worst seeks out to destroy those things. You could say the same about other religions, but in recent history, there haven't been terrorist cells from other religions causing the level of havoc that the Muslim extremists groups do. That being said, I'm very sympathetic to the fact that there are peace loving Muslims, and those may even be the majority. Going by made up numbers here, if 1/50,00 is an extremist, and you allow 50,000 into your country, you have 10 potential terrorist that you gave a free pass in.

      This is a very bad situation all around. On some level, I think we should tell these people to stand and fight to reclaim their home land. War is bad, large swaths of land given to terrorist is worse. The majority always has control, just too often don't take it. In some since, it's their responsibility to fight back. I also don't like the thought of telling people to put themselves in danger... I would like to see democracies help them. But then when you do, you don't know who you're really helping. Are you helping a group that intends to make things worse?

      Back to the point though, yes, I'm sure some immigration is good. A mass influx of people from a different culture learning how to become effectively productive takes time, it takes jobs, and it take resources so they aren't starving and homeless. The type of immigration that is going on now cannot possibly be good. The level of intelligence from your statement sub par at best.

    47. Re:How racism? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The American Indians did not have a national identity. Now they all (the ones that are not dead) live on the reservation. The uncivilized Europeans, who did have an overabundance of National pride just kind of relocated those silly Indians.

      They did often have tribal identities. And tribes fought tribes. And slaughtered other tribes. Over various issues including, yes, territory.
      Please don't romanticize the Native American with the Noble Savage trope.

    48. Re:How racism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, their moonians. Mexicans and Canadians and Brazilians are still Americans, though. since America is the name of a couple of continents.

    49. Re:How racism? by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      Nationalism, yes.

      But wanting to stop the flow if illegal immigrants is not racism, because you don't care what color they are - just that people should immigrate legally, so that they can come in at a rate that they can mesh well with existing society.

      That is merely realizing that a national identity has value, and is worth protecting...

      Mind you, I disagree with how they are trying to protect against immigration - what if some of the people they have blocked are supporters of their cause? Perhaps instead they should demand public statements on websites of the companies denouncing illegal immigration.

      he's not against illegal immigration, he's just against immigration.

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    50. Re:How racism? by Dushnock · · Score: 1

      The concept of patriotism is in my opinion, absurd.

      Somehow what you say makes sense, why should one feel pride when one was born in a place "by accident"... However, some have chosen to move out of "bad" places to go to "better" places (with, unfortunately, different definitions for better, sometimes it's "more freedom", sometimes it's something else entirely). Humans will feel strongly for their (chosen) "group" (family, tribe, nation, religion)...

      I recently found this quote of Gen. Charles De Gaulle (French national hero icon and former president) : Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.

      I don't mind "patriotism", but I do have an issue with nationalism.

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    51. Re:How racism? by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      My country is one of mostly immigrants, who have assimilated quite well. I can understand a connection to the land of ones birth, but not pride in it. I've lived in a few different countries too, and my experience is the opposite of yours.

    52. Re:How racism? by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Let's see, your proud of a country that conducts illegal wars, is number one in gun deaths, is rapidly becoming the most hated country in the world, is ruled by corporations and their money, and has free speech zones and has a pathetic health system.
      Truly pathetic.

    53. Re:How racism? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Let's see, your proud of a country that conducts illegal wars

      Well I'm not responsible for what happens when progressives gain power. They are on the downslope again though.

      is ruled by corporations and their money

      See previous point.

      is number one in gun deaths

      Not even close to true - see: South America, Africa

      is rapidly becoming the most hated country in the world,

      I'll just close with saying we are hated by all the right people, consider that you hate "free speech zones".

      It's fine to be hated by the immoral and corrupt. In fact I am VERY proud of that.

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    54. Re:How racism? by JonStewartMill · · Score: 1

      Agree 100%. I've often said that nationalism and patriotism were invented because religion had lost its ability to induce the poor to kill and die for the benefit of the rich.

    55. Re:How racism? by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      The progressives have had power for 8 years, the wars started under conservative Bush. America loves being at war, it's been at war virtually continuously since it has existed.

      The US is number one in gun massacres world wide, and number one in the developed world.

      The immoral and corrupt love you, it's the sensible and caring people that hate you. I was once as a child a big fan of the US, however watching years of scumbag behaviour, particularly of conservatives has turned that right around.

      I would have thought a true freedom loving Americam would hate free speech zones too. Shouldn't the whole country be a fee speech zone.

      Typical denial and avoidance of reality.

  57. How dare he choose who he associates with! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't he know that it's up to the 'elite' to force everybody on Earth to associate with people they don't want to, and then call them 'racist' when they speak out against this unnatural practice?

    What is the end goal of mass immigration? The complete destruction of nations, cultures, languages, and races. And idiots on the Left cheer this on as some kind of wonderful benefit to mankind.

  58. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And that was a good thing. Replacing current population by waves of migrants was good back then just as it is good now. Don't listen the whitephobic bigots, the white migrant brought lot of advancement to the primitive american savages. They also culturally enriched them.

    In the same way, as explained by the liberal media, the brown migrants enrich us so much. #RefugeeWelcome

  59. Re:What some people fail to realise is that a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're of benefit to us, they are of even more benefit to their own people, in their own countries.

    There are only three possibilities, with regard to the skills of immigrants, and ALL of them mean that there should be no immigration:
    1) Immigrants are less intelligent and less hard working (on average) than the indigenous population. Therefore we don't want them.
    2) Immigrants are of the same intelligence and work as hard as the indigenous population (on average). We already have more than enough people in our countries, they are already overcrowded, therefore we don't want them.
    3) Immigrants are more intelligent and hard working (on average) than the indigenous population. Therefore they are desperately needed in the DEVELOPING countries which they come from - otherwise all the best people will leave those countries and they will continue to get worse.

    That wasn't difficult, was it?

  60. Re:What some people fail to realise is that a lot by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    H1B visas aren't given to immigrants. In fact, immigrants and would-be immigrants are specifically excluded from being allowed to use them.You're here on a temporarily basis with one, and you have to leave after it expires, no option for applying for permanent residency, let alone citizenship.

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  61. Re:Don't like his terms? by Cley+Faye · · Score: 1

    From what people actually working in that field are saying, this software was already on his way out for some, and already replaced for others. I'd say the risk of piracy here is low.

  62. What a total and utter nutjob by hattig · · Score: 1

    So he is a raving racist lunatic?

    First warning sign - can't discriminate between immigrants and refugees.

    Second warning sign - totally incorrect about immigrant benefits to societies, because immigrants provide a net benefit to their host economies.

    Obviously the license change is not enforceable, as it's totally racist, but I do hope that all researchers stop using this software.

    I would also hope that this guy is done for hate speech in the near future, after reading the article. He's a bona-fide nutjob that would appear to be on the verge of a terrorist act against those his discriminates against.

  63. Immigration or invasion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The concept of 'melting pot' was actually a good one.
    With it, both the new-comers and pre-existing folks each adapt a bit.
    The ground rules are the laws in the new country.
    The new-commers should wish and expect to adapt the ways of the new environment.
    The pre-existing folks should expect some minor adjustments as the new combined culture picks up a bit of the best of the newcomers.

    Somehow we have lost this two-sided balanced idea.

    The alternative seems to be for the new-comers to try to re-create the country they just left in the new land.
    At best, they do this in a discrete enclave inside the new country.
    At worst, they try to force their ways on everybody else and cause strife.
    To make and keep a functioning society, there has to be some common thinking which this destroys.
    Trying to make a country like this violates physics. (See perhaps France?)

    If a big mass of folks come to a country and try to change the country to be like the bad place they just left, then that sounds more like invasion than immigration. Depending on the intentions of the newcommers, this guy may be justified or completely nuts.

    Perhaps permission to enter a country seeking refuge should come with the agreement that you are willing to adapt to the ways of the place taking you in?

    1. Re:Immigration or invasion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the right words are guest or invader
      There is a world of difference between the two in effect.
      But little difference in how they look when they show up at your doorstep.

  64. Re:Migrants should stay home and defend their coun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why shouldn't the women fight? The men did it for the last few centuries. Let the women take the casualties. They've earned that right, haven't they?

  65. he probably deals a lot with end users by Thud457 · · Score: 3, Funny

    huh, a software developer that's a unstable nutbag. There's something you don't see every day.

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  66. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not so much. This is more like the opposite case, as if some of the Native Americans decided to flee from other Native Americans by moving to Europe, then demanding the right to set up teepees wherever they want, hunt buffalo, or whatever else they wanted anywhere in Europe, instead of learning and adopting European culture. Then complaining they were being discriminated against when the Europeans didn't bend over backwards to let them do whatever they wanted.

    The primitive culture is trying to usurp the more advanced one, and for some reason elements of the more advanced culture are letting them. When immigrant groups adapt to their new culture, like you generally see in the U,S., they don't have the types of problems seen in Europe now.

  67. Trouble is what happens to those who stay by DarkOx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As unfair as it might be I think the response to the crisis is wrong. We should NOT welcome the refugees and asylum seekers. By and large these people are the educated people of quality with some wealth in that region that are leaving. If anything it might be self serving to allow them to come to the US or enter the EU.

    If Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan etc are ever to be anything other than squalid hell holes its the very people who are leaving that would otherwise have the cause (families) and capability (education + money) to make those places better. While denying them entry in Europe and the US might be sentencing them to a life time of struggle or death letting immigrate dooms the places they come from to being dominated by the Islamic extremist loonies.

    If we ever want to see those places settle down, and see it be possible for people to have a normal life there the only approach might be to make getting out more hopeless than taking back their countries from the crazies.

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    1. Re:Trouble is what happens to those who stay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we ever want to see those places settle down, and see it be possible for people to have a normal life there the only approach might be to make getting out more hopeless than taking back their countries from the crazies.

      The same thing has been happening to less extremes with the USA and Mexico. All those not content to live in cartel-run Mexico either flee north or die trying. No one who opposes it stays to try to put up a fight, and many who leave are too frightened to try to fight from their homes in the relative safety of Chicago. A bit more of a mess because instead of going through the proper process to apply for asylum, they travel directly to a "sanctuary city" where they have the relative comfort that the police cannot ask them (or the cartel enforcer down the street) to provide valid US identification.

    2. Re:Trouble is what happens to those who stay by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      As you are so educated and enlightened, you are certainly welcome to relocate to those countries, or rather one of them and start the work you just proposed.

      I for my part rather talk to a wonderful persian woman in English in Paris than go to Iran or Iraq.

      than taking back their countries from the crazies. They are not crazy. Or more precisely: they are not more crazy than Napoleon or Washington or Nelson. They simply did not make the "historical progress and evolution" Europe did. They where conquered literally in the transmission from "iron age" into what in our world is comparable with the middle ages. Then one king/tribe was played against the other so the conquerors could exploit the population.
      Iran in 1955 e.g. was more or less as a nation in the middle ages. So: the ruler has tanks and the populace only has sticks.
      Now a hundred years after those countries became "free" the ruling class still has no other idea than exploiting the population, just like they did the previous 500 years. The only two nations that come to mind that are "different" and somewhat more advanced are India and China(yes).

      Democracy does not change that. Just look at an election in a random African country. If a new guy wins, without causing a blood bath, sooner or later all important positions (important as in: money making) are hold by his family. If the country is already that civilized that this goes without blood shed, that family is pressing out of the country as much as they can get before the next election changes the "ruling family". Rinse and Repeat.

      The americans simply think: go to a country, bomb it into oblivion, show them how democracy works (and laws, and the police and an regular army) and "WOW" now they are a modern civilization. No they are not. The new set up parties are corrupt and the heads are the old apparatchkis, everyone woh is different connected either goes into the law branch, becomes judge or becomes policemen or goes into the army. Everyone who was in the old system someone who "had power" will have power and (ab)use this power in the new system.

      Only the outside of such a "system" looks legal. If you want to get something there you need bribery. If you are unpleasant to them you have trouble.

      Will that change? Yes, but not by putting new "systems" into operation. It only works by increasing the standard of living.

      Look at Greece, ofc you can not really simply bribe someone to get something you need. But if you need a building permit, they never give it to you. Sure, you can sue ... and you will win. And who earns? The lawyers. Or you piss of an navel officer when you are talking jokes on the radio ... they approach you and tell you to go to a certain harbour and let your boat checked for safety. The nice part is: they tell you that the shipyard in the north of the harbour does it for â1000 Euroes (family of the police officer) and the other one charges â3000.

      No need to bribe them, the price how to get away from the injustice is clearly stated.

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  68. Melodramatic much? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Whoever invites or welcomes immigrants to Europe and Germany is my enemy

    "Enemy"? Really?

    Wow. Just... wow.

    1. Re:Melodramatic much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, just wow. It's 20X6, how can you still hold hateful, bigoted and racist opinions like this. I'm just so triggered right now. People need to get on the right side of history.

    2. Re:Melodramatic much? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      How is what I said hateful, racist, or bigoted?

    3. Re:Melodramatic much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was satire bruh.

      Poe's law strikes again!

  69. [citation needed] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a refugee center opens up in your neighborhood, you will experience an increase in crime and nuisance

    [citation needed]

    a sizable portion aren't refugees or even from Syria; they left their own save homes to find a better life, and look for countries with generous welfare packages

    [citation needed] ...

    1. Re:[citation needed] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have a citation. United nations work?

      Of course you could also just watch the 'refugees' and how they want Germany, and won't settle for the poorer less 'gimmiedat' offering countries that are on the way that would take them.

    2. Re:[citation needed] by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And where in that report does the data from the United Nations actually say that? It says where the refugees come from, where they have gone, the demographics. The Right Scoop puts their spin on the United Nations data without understanding it. The United Nations put out data on "Refugees/Migrants Emergency Response - Mediterranean". In it, they note the other countries like Afghanistan, Eitrea, Iraq, etc. that have refugees/migrations. The Syrian refugees make up about 55% of the migration occurring right now in the Mediterranean. That however does not mean there is not a refugee crisis; it means that The Right Scoop doesn't understand there are other refugees/migrations happening at the same time.

      Second, the demographic data represents the entire population of migrations not just the refugees. Saying that 72% of the Syrian refugees is male only means that you can't understand data. Again it says: 55% of migrations are from Syria. These migrations are most likely refugees because of the civil war. 69% of all migrants (from all countries) are male. These two points of data do not necessarily equate to 72% of Syrian refugees are male. That's faulty logic.

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    3. Re:[citation needed] by Cederic · · Score: 1

      So all these people crossing the seas from Turkey to Greece are being persecuted in Turkey?
      All these people cross the land border into Hungary or Romania are coming straight from a warzone?

      No. Citation my cock.

  70. But it is legal by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    just that people should immigrate legally, so that they can come in at a rate that they can mesh well with existing society.

    Say the body responsible for setting a nation's immigration policy has decided to admit refugees on the basis that emergency evacuation from a war zone outweighs the difficulty of "mesh[ing] well with existing society". In that case, they are immigrating legally.

    1. Re:But it is legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These people weren't being evacuated from a war zone. They were safe and sound in Turkey for at least a year or two. I guess someone told them about how Germans were fucking idiots that gave out heaps of freebies to "refugees". The need to be put on a train and shipped back to Turkey, or even better to Saudi Arabia or any of the other Persian Gulf nations who have more than enough resources to take care of them.

    2. Re: But it is legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turkey is in a war zone.
      It neither wants, nor can handle the refugees. Especially becase it has to focus on where its citizens will be going as refugees, once the nukes start flying.

      It no longer is if, but when the nukes start pelting the middle eÃst
      And the follow-up biological warfare.

  71. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 1

    Much depends on what the license actually says. If there's a clause that says that he can revoke your license at any time for any reason or for no reason at all, then this might possibly be legal. Why someone would want to pay for such a license is beyond me.

    That said, this guy is cutting off his nose to spite his face.

    And this bit, "I want to stress that this license change is not against my colleagues in the USA, but against a small rich elite there that misuses the country's power to rule the world. The USA is our worst enemy,” is the same approach that the "small rich elite" uses to justify the embargo against Cuba, and is just as effective.

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  72. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

    http://www.infowars.com/europe-seizing-homes-to-house-muslim-migrants/

    Why the heck is everyone assuming muslim refugees? Lots of people from Syria are Christians that fled persecution there! But then it probably stops being easy and you have to start thinking....

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  73. His page says: "Free land for all!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It says that under downloads link

    he is bitter smart man, lost in his own world of "wisdom"

  74. Extraordinary claims of correlation by tepples · · Score: 0

    If it turns out that gene research shows that some types of people are more intelligent or more creative than others, so what?

    Extraordinary claims, such as a correlation between genes that produce an ethnic appearance and genes that produce intelligence or creativity, require extraordinary evidence. If such evidence is found, expect anti-defamation organizations and others to debunk it hard, such as the second edition of Gould's The Mismeasure of Man released specifically to challenge the methodology of The Bell Curve.

    1. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      If there's any correlation between a person's race and intelligence, my guess would be it would be actually due to socioeconomic status and not genes. If a group of people are forced into poverty and lower quality education due to racism, those people will display "lower intelligence" (really, just not educated as well as the rich majority race who can send their kids to all the right schools). This will then be used as "proof" by the racists that DISCRIMINATED_AGAINST_RACE is actually less intelligent than MAJORITY_RACE. Of course, once you adjust for socioeconomic status, these differences vanish, but that's just adding facts which isn't allowed in a racists' argument. (At most, they allow half-truths - things that might be partially true in some circumstances but are twisted completely out of context to fit the racist argument.)

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    2. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mendel helped prove those claims are no longer extraordinary. Maybe you read a bit about him in school. -1 for trolling.

    3. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by tepples · · Score: 1

      Mendel helped prove those claims are no longer extraordinary.

      Mendel helped in the sense that he established that traits were heritable in dominant and recessive patterns. The specific correlation of one particular dominant or recessive trait in any given species with another dominant or recessive trait, as far as I can tell, was outside what his pea experiments showed.

      -1 for trolling.

      First, I thought users weren't supposed to reply and moderate in the same story. Second, in what way was the comment "deliberately offensive or provocative"?

    4. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by tepples · · Score: 1

      Thank you for providing such evidence. So here are the facts as I understand them:

      • "Race" is a set of traits that make up an appearance phenotype. Traits related to appearance are Mendelian, inherited through genes.
      • Socioeconomic status is Lamarckian, partly inherited from parents and partly acquired from strangers in the environment.
      • Racism is the use of a person's race to diminish his socioeconomic status.
      • The heritable component of socioeconomic status means that an individual with a less prestigious race whose ancestors lived in a racist environment will tend to have a lower socioeconomic status.

      And here are ways the facts inform policy:

      • A social welfare state attempts to bring citizens' socioeconomic status up to a baseline by establishing social welfare programs, such as subsidized education and housing.
      • Some countries take measures to reduce the heritability of socioeconomic status, such as estate taxation.
      • Some countries take measures to reverse this correlation, such as affirmative action.
    5. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Why is it extraordinary? Populations genetically isolated for centuries frequently diverge in traits. Appearance traits are obvious proof. If there are intelligence differences too, why would it be surprising? It is so unsurprising that Darwin had this as one of his first observations.

      We can't currently prove it because intelligence is not measurable enough because all types of intelligence have not been identified and understood well enough.

      But it would be highly surprising if such a complex thing as intelligence turns out to be identical in all measures of central tendency as well as all measures of variation in populations genetically isolated for long times. Races are known to have different average, median, standard variation and variance of height, weight, skin color, eye color, malaria incidence, sickle cell anemia incidence, heart disease prevalence.

      --
      Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
    6. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by tepples · · Score: 1

      Why is it extraordinary?

      Because the democratic concepts of equal justice and equal representation under law have not yet developed to take into account the allegedly different intelligence levels of different identifiable subpopulations. And because the best evidence so far is that intelligence metrics correlate more with socioeconomic status among people of the same race than with race among people with similar socioeconomic status.

    7. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Because the democratic concepts of equal justice and equal representation under law have not yet developed to take into account the allegedly different intelligence levels of different identifiable subpopulations.

      This is not extraordinary in the sense it would need extraordinary evidence. Because this is just the extreme unpreparedness of society to deal with this fact if it is proven, and to prove it we would need to understand intelligence much better than we do. So this is not a valid reason. Extraordinary consequence of an event are not being discussed here.

      . And because the best evidence so far is that intelligence metrics correlate more with socioeconomic status among people of the same race than with race among people with similar socioeconomic status.

      Valid reason, but I already addressed it. Best evidence so far doesn't matter much because we have a very poor idea of what intelligence even is. We measure the expression of intelligence, which is more affected by nurture - although nature's effect on intelligence also has evidence.

      Such weak evidence in favor of identical intelligences among races is not sufficient for the "extraordinary" claim that intelligence are identical. Because no measurable trait that could have genetic influence has been found identical among races.

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      Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
    8. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Because the democratic concepts of equal justice and equal representation under law have not yet developed to take into account the allegedly different intelligence levels of different identifiable subpopulations.

      And even if it could, you could net determine an individual's intelligence by race alone. So it's a worthless metric.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    9. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      This is not extraordinary in the sense it would need extraordinary evidence. Because this is just the extreme unpreparedness of society to deal with this fact if it is proven, and to prove it we would need to understand intelligence much better than we do. So this is not a valid reason. Extraordinary consequence of an event are not being discussed here.

      Exactly how would there be any "dealing with" anyhow?

      Intelligence is a trait that only matters on the individual level. There is no use for intelligenc averages by race.

      If it was somehow found that People of African descent were on average X number of poits less intelligent, what does that mean? There's nothing to do, unless some group wants to descide that every single member of that race is substandard. And that would be really stupid.

      There are people of all races that are genius level. And certainly there are a lot of really stupid caucasians. Doesn't matter to teh individual what the average is.

      I suppose that the only advantage of one or the other race being classified as "the most intelligent race" would be that the really stupid members of that race might have something to feel better about.

      And that hain't worth hardly nuthin, Cletus!

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    10. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Well, no one knows what intelligence is, so it is really far fetched to ask the question how would we deal with it. Humans have no clue how to deal with well understood phenomena. Though at one time black slaves had around 66% of a vote?

      Tepples should tell us more about equal law and equal justice and things of that sort. I'll eagerly wait.

      --
      Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
    11. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Well, no one knows what intelligence is, so it is really far fetched to ask the question how would we deal with it. Humans have no clue how to deal with well understood phenomena. Though at one time black slaves had around 66% of a vote?

      Tepples should tell us more about equal law and equal justice and things of that sort. I'll eagerly wait.

      I'm never against knowledge. If "whites" test with a higher IQ than "Africans", or a lower IQ than "Asians", then so be it. Enough ambiguity over nature/nurture to make one question

      So what would we even do with that information? Decide that only Asians could be leaders?

      Deny that little 10 year old girl entrance to college because she's of African descent? Deny smart people line Neil Tyson because of that? relegate "White" people to certain jobs?

      And what about the increasingly common mixed-race folks? A Chinese/African mix is what? Semi-sortasumpin?

      Do we deny a genius of a supposedly inferior race, while insisting that the Duck Dynasty or Hillbilly blood dudes become the physicists and leaders of the world?

      Even then, IQ is not even a remote predictor of success, or even competence.

      Here's some white geniuses for everyone's entertainment:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      I felt a little sorry for her, at least she was trying to think.

      Most of the guys were simply mindless examples of being unencumbered by the thought process.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Future leaders by virtue of their superior racial intelligence, it would appear!

      Complete and total useless information, as there is no way to determine an individual's intelligence via simply telling us what their racial background is.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    12. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Do you think your this post disagrees with any of my points? Or relevant as a reply to me rather than to tepples?

      --
      Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
    13. Re:Extraordinary claims of correlation by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Do you think your this post disagrees with any of my points? Or relevant as a reply to me rather than to tepples?

      Actually, I was agreeing with you.

      I'm not completely certain why you have the attitude that anyone who replies is trying to pick a fight with you though.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  75. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Much depends on what the license actually says.

    You miss the point. It is wrong that this guy -- or anyone else, for that matter -- is allowed to impose "license terms" on the users to begin with. It should have been a sale, subject only to copyright law and the [German equivalent of the] Uniform Commercial Code.

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  76. History by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Cultures that are doomed or threatened by immigration are probably not worth saving. You can't "protect" a culture. If it's worthwhile, people who come to your country will adopt your ways.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re:History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These current mass migrations aren't influenced by culture; the immigrants just go to whichever one they can get to first.
      They're not looking to adopt any culture or any such lofty goals, they're not running away from a culture, they just want wealth.

    2. Re:History by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      They're not looking to adopt any culture or any such lofty goals, they're not running away from a culture, they just want wealth.

      As opposed to every other migratory group in history?

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    3. Re:History by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I give you Quebec. No, really, take it. Please.

    4. Re:History by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I give you Quebec. No, really, take it. Please.

      That's a really good example of how a culture can not be protected.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
  77. Finally, someone with balls! Not like PC /. *holes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Finally, someone with balls, not like PC /. assholes!

  78. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'd do well not to take infowars too seriously. Want a good laugh? Check out his y2k broadcast: https://www.google.com/?q=alex...

  79. Re:The guy is desparate - mainstream media are bia by serbanp · · Score: 1

    Nobody gives a FF if it's better. It's the culture of the land, you come here, you integrate. If you don't want to integrate, you should not be allowed to come here.

    The whole debacle is circling around the idea that since drinking water from the water fountain is good, drinking it from a high-pressure fire hydrant is also good.

  80. Re:The guy is desparate - mainstream media are bia by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Assimilation is racist and culturalist. Who is to say that Western culture is better than non-Western culture, and force it on immigrants?

    The immigrants themselves did, by (literally!) voting with their feet. After all, they could have headed in any direction -- the Caucasus countries, Iran (and points east), the Arabian peninsula, Africa -- but they picked Europe.

    There's little ethical difference between immigrants trying to import their culture and imperialists trying to export theirs. If you think the latter is wrong, then you should logically think the former is wrong too. The right of the newcomers not to have the existing culture forced upon them is trumped by the right of the existing people's right not to have their culture supplanted by the newcomers.

    That said, I'm not at all convinced that (a) there are too many refugees to be assimilated or (b) that "but they might not assimilate" is a valid reason for refusing to accept refugees in the first place.

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  81. Blackmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blackmail through a EULA using a populist, yet simplistic, justification.

  82. Re:Dave420 "eats his words" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a life, Alex.

  83. Oh yeah by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    I'm sure his change to the Terms Of Service will be enormously effective at reducing the immigration problem. *cough*

    --
    Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
  84. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've listened to Alex Jones almost daily for many years. I think I'm qualified to decide for myself if he is a kook or not. He points out the hypocracy and lies and deception of the mainstream media on a daily basis and provides links to absolutely everything he says. He is very raw, but I like that about him.

  85. He sounds like a frustrated worried person. by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 0

    He sounds like a frustrated worried person who wants his voice to be heard. People never have a referendum on such things as mass immigration because the voters would always reject mass immigration. He must know that he has no way of controlling who uses the software so he is saying this out of frustration. He wants a voice. Browbeating and name calling anybody who has an opinion about immigration does not work any more I think. You cannot blame the Syrians for taking the opportunity that is offered to them for a better life. People may be saying no more but politicians are saying we will take more. If somebody is offering you a better life you would also take it. The politicians are saying that "Deutschland has a ageing population and desperately needs young immigrants. Deutschland will have more pensioners than it has workers it will have more old people than any other European country." I think somebody in England said: all these immigrants have dependents elderly dependents which would all be fetched over to live in Deutschland, and those other countries in Europe who have selected to take a proportion of immigrants. So they wouldn't be curing the problem they would be adding to the problem of a ageing population. So you see there are so many different arguments. The only thing ( I ) know for sure is that people should have a say. it is their country and politicians work for them they do not work for politicians. They should have a say they should have a referendum. Nobody likes to be rejected but you cannot be loved by everybody that's life.

  86. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "four out of five Syrian refuges are not Syrian, they are economic migrants from other countries"

    Racist!!

    "there is rampant violence, murder, rape and child abuse among the migrant population that is being covered up by the mainstream media"

    Racist!!!

    "there are videos showing the 'refugees' cursing at and throwing things at people trying to help them, refusing water bottles, etc."

    Racist!!!

    Calling someone who doesn't agree with you racist does not automatically win the debate.

  87. Re:The guy is desparate - mainstream media are bia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > The number of immigrants coming is way over the assimilation ability of Germany and other popular countries.

    Congrats, you can finally understand what the US is like :)

  88. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'd be thinking of the Anglo-Saxons in Great Britain as an example of that.

    They even tried to change the name of the country.

  89. 100 years ago by chthon · · Score: 1

    One hundred years ago, there were three million fugitives in Europe. There were only two places they could go, France or Holland. But most of them could hope that one or another the war would stop and they could go back home.

    There are currently much less fugitives, but their future seems much more uncertain.

  90. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You miss the point. It is wrong that this guy -- or anyone else, for that matter -- is allowed to impose "license terms" on the users to begin with.

    Isn't that exactly what the GPL does?

  91. Treefinder? Never heard of it. by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    Treefinder? Never heard of it.

    This is just a cheap publicity stunt by the author.

  92. Corollary by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    "Whoever implements, accommodates, or benefits from profit-driven militaristic foreign interventionist policies that destroy entire countries and causes an influx of immigrants to Europe and Germany is my enemy." FTFY

  93. Sounds like theft to me... by mhkohne · · Score: 1

    Is he refunding the original purchaser's money? Or just keeping it, and taking away the software? Because if it's the former, then...he's a thief.

    --
    A thousand pounds of wood moving at 300 feet per minute. Don't get in the way.
  94. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's a fear-mongering ratings whore with a grating voice who preys on the gullible and weak minded.

  95. Stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    WTF. Germany has the lowest birth rate in the world at only 1.38 births per woman. This is far below the replacement rate (which would be slightly above 2.0). Germany is literally dying. They need warm bodies or they won't have any workers to keep their economy running.

  96. I agree with him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but it took a long time before I arrived there, and it all started with me beginning to use my head and think. Of course, everyone else argues that you'll be smarter by not using your head and challenging the views that were forced on you, that you took as truth without thinking about it even once.

  97. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    No. The GPL imposes license terms on distributors, not users. Users have no need to accept the terms of the GPL; they already have all the rights they need to use the software. But in order to re-distribute the software (modified or not), there needs to be additional permission given in order to supersede copyright law. The GPL does that, in consideration for the restrictions it imposes on said distribution.

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  98. Did you read his EULA? by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

    He may very well have the right to terminate your license to use his software any time he wants to do so. This is the stupidity of the whole software license concept. You haven't actually bought anything.

  99. Think that refugees are migrants? See the pictures by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoever thinks that these people are just migrants and does not need shelter should look at these pictures ... then think again.

    http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/9319293/syrian-refugees-civil-war
    https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Yarmouk+refugee+camp+in+Damascus&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCsQsARqFQoTCNrvyq_KgcgCFQGViAodpt8HoA&biw=1141&bih=838

  100. Reap what you sow by Mantrid42 · · Score: 1

    Yike, Europe, doesn't it just suck when a bunch of people from far away suddenly show up unannounced and move in? /sarcasm

  101. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Barsteward · · Score: 1

    i wouldn't believe anything from the daily mail - its a right wing xenophobic rag that championed the nazis before WW2 and said all the same things about the jews that were escaping germany and coming to the UK

    --
    "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
  102. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Barsteward · · Score: 1

    Saudi has not understanding of human rights for their own people, what do you think they'll do to refugees, especially if they are the wrong version of Islam?

    --
    "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
  103. Dave420 "eats his words" (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "it patently clear no-one else agrees with your position" - by dave420 (699308) on Friday September 25, 2015 @04:44AM (#50595241)

    Here's some that are QUITE contrary to yours from /. users + experts in the field:

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    &

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    ---

    * Let's see - a TOP antimalware company hosts AND RECOMMENDS my ware, & real users here like it - you're outnumbered, outthought, & OUTSMARTED, easily as usual, by "yours truly"...

    APK

    P.S.=> To top all THAT off? Better people that a "ne'er-do-well" MORON troll who's never accomplished a thing of good note in computing in yourself AGREE with me hosts are good security:

    Quote of Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET doing so in fact -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    You UTTER blowhard do nothing "ne'er-do-well" troll... "eat your words" & tell us:

    HOW DID THEY TASTE?

    Flavored with the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat" since your mouth wrote checks your dimwit brain can't cash? Rammed down YOUR THROAT since you stuck your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH too?? LMAO...

    ... apk

  104. "replace unprofitable Europeans like me." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "I dislike the flood of immigrants they caused to come here - come here to replace unprofitable Europeans like me."

    At least he acknowledges that he's useless.

    >http://www.treefinder.de/downloads.html

    Holy shit, he's a racist idiot.

  105. Why we need free software by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

    This is a great example of what can happen if you rely on non-free software. The author of it may suddenly decide, for reasons that have nothing to do with you and that you couldn't possibly control, that you aren't allowed to use it anymore. But you were relying on it? Sorry, you're out of luck. Life's hard.

    --
    "I'm too busy to research this and form an educated opinion, but I do have time to tell everyone my uninformed opinion."
  106. Re:The guy is desparate - mainstream media are bia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This.

  107. The new age. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about time too. The slow realisation that the computer doesn't work unless you type the software yourself. Wait until the mass realise that the computer from the store requires them to actually program it and the operating system that may have been supplied with it was a sales trick (oh, you can't view that image 8-) Ah I see the problem, you need to upgrade to the latest Windows 17, that'll be an extra $100 please (another trick)), and that they haven't been given the technical programming documentation - as more and more people refuse to give away there software for reasons similar to the Treefinder case.

  108. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much depends on what the license actually says. If there's a clause that says that he can revoke your license at any time for any reason or for no reason at all, then this might possibly be legal.

    I can't tell precisely for Germany (there should be many resemblances due to the European Union at least), but in France, you generally are in theory allowed to retract your usage authorization to a third-party, but you must compensate him fairly for any cost related to this retraction. In most cases, the cost would be prohibitive (even more if lawsuits are filled and you have to pay this cost too...), particularly if this is really a two-day warning (which in itself is generally an abusive clause anyway...).

    Without a fair compensation being presented at the same time as the retraction, you could, as a user, consider the retraction abusive, thus null and void. So you don't have to fill a lawsuit, if you still can use the work in question (that is, if the license is not remotely retracted, disabling/removing the work, or disabling remote features).

    Why someone would want to pay for such a license is beyond me.

    Many software/game/website licenses include such statements, or statements which could be legally interpreted as such in the US and some other countries... And in many cases, they don't care about law anyway, and most individuals would not fill a lawsuit or start an awareness/boycott campaign...

  109. Re:Dave420 "eats his words" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As folks have tried to explain to you numerous times, AlecStaar, posting links to your own posts proves nothing except that you apparently know how to make links to your own posts.

  110. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Software licenses are subject to copy right law. If copyright law would not exist, the licenses would neither.

    --
    Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  111. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Because a "sane" Muslim living in a somewhat lenient muslim country would be an complete idiot if he would go to totalitarian Saudi Arabia.

    Hint: the germans abused the term Arier and declared them selves Ariers, an "Arab" is the equivalent of an Arier in the Muslim world. They consider themselves a few echelons above ordinary Muslims.

    Like Switzerland other Muslims are welcome for the Hatch to leave their money there ... and are supposed to quietly leave in time.

    --
    Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  112. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Copyright law does not force software to be licensed instead of sold. This BS got started because some people thought that (since, technically speaking, the software has to be copied into RAM in order to run), but US copyright law specifically says that sort of incidental copying doesn't count.

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  113. Re: Migrants should stay home and defend their cou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While I agree on general principles, I'm not sure this particular group of people values the contributions of women overmuch. Though I do recall a documentary I saw a few years back about a paramilitary squad of ethnic Kurdish females who fought against (IIRC) the Taliban, to some amount of success. Beyond that they were bad. as. fuck. I thought it was hilarious how humiliating it must be for a group like the Taliban to suffer casualties at the hands of women.

  114. It only says something about you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you talk to people - people are 80% anti-immigrant.

    As an anecdote standing in for data, all this tells us is that you move in racist circles.

  115. It's overwhelming here in Europe. Beyond repair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The rich bankers need their guilt massaged away. And so, as they send off their bombers into Syria, they purge this guilt by funnelling the refugees into Europe on top of their own slaves.. Maximum respect to Gangolf Jobb.

  116. Stupid racist by jaklode · · Score: 1

    Shut the fuck up, you stupid racist. Let's hope that idiot never finds a good job again.

  117. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    but US copyright law specifically says that sort of incidental copying doesn't count.

    If that was the case, all software licenses by US entities, that includes GPL, would be void.

    --
    Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  118. It's not polite to talk w/ your mouth full Dave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject:... As you "eat your words" (lol) posting off topic & as unidentifiable ac to effetely *TRY* to "defend yourself" - after all, YOU started it (& I just finish it, and YOU with it, easily, by pulling a "Cardinal Richelieu" on YOU, fool):

    "it patently clear no-one else agrees with your position" - by dave420 (699308) on Friday September 25, 2015 @04:44AM (#50595241)

    Here's some that are QUITE contrary to yours from /. users + experts in the field:

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    &

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    ---

    * Let's see - a TOP antimalware company hosts AND RECOMMENDS my ware, & real users here like it - you're outnumbered, outthought, & OUTSMARTED, easily as usual, by "yours truly"...

    APK

    P.S.=> To top all THAT off? Better people that a "ne'er-do-well" MORON troll who's never accomplished a thing of good note in computing in yourself AGREE with me hosts are good security:

    Quote of Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET doing so in fact -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    You UTTER blowhard do nothing "ne'er-do-well" troll... "eat your words" & tell us:

    HOW DID THEY TASTE?

    Flavored with the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat" since your mouth wrote checks your dimwit brain can't cash? Rammed down YOUR THROAT since you stuck your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH too?? LMAO...

    ... apk

  119. Re: Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am from Norway. No reports of christian refugees in the news here. Most of the migrants are not even from Syria. Thousands, from who knows where, are arriving each week, in a country of 5 million. We lack the capacity to properly register and house them. It's getting out of hand.

  120. Coren22 completely CRUSHED & dominated (by fac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET agrees hosts = good security -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does the same -> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts BOTH hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY REAL SECURITY PROS (not menial wannabe rookie like you) DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUT OF YOU SOME MORE?

    ---

    Those security pros?

    They INCLUDE ME too you noobie rookie obvious dimwit as I work with those guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a fairly regular basis!

    I've worked professionally for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer professionally since 1994 (with ME showing you HOW to migrate a hosts file across an enterprise -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    (I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES (which you told me you learned from guides) + WARES TO DO IT 1,000's to MILLIONS USED, probably LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE possibly BEING PAID FOR IT -> http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... )

    You're all TALK & can't back it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU say "hosts=bad" (yet they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch about using admin privelege (first) to UPDATE them vs. threats online:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You admit using admin priv yourself & how else could I programmatically update hosts minus it inside Windows?

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    Since you're MENIAL ASS limited in skills self doesn't code (& didn't even KNOW that) & CLUE/FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best there is) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools... apk

  121. Nationalism !=Xenophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a fascinating bunch of opinions, and so many wrong or out-of-touch with life as we live it today. Maybe you missed it, but we (the majority of humanity) stopped living the tribal/familial-governance lifestyle a LONG time ago. The fact that you called out King Harald and completely missed out on the social/political grouping of feudalism is telling of your intentional arguementative blindness.

    Nationalism came into vogue for many reasons. Here's a benign one: societies were organizing into larger and larger groups, and the Nation provides a easy to understand boundry. What is a Nation, after all, but a body of land and a people who identify with it and each other, a culture. Palestinians are still that, even if they have lived all their lives in a camp in another country, aren't they? As another poster noted, an American on the Moon is still an American.

    Finally, I submit that there is also a fundamental difference between Xenophobia and the-desire-to-NOT-let-huge-numbers-of-foreigners-move-in-all-at-once. I don't have to hate or fear them to know that these refugees are going to throw their targeted arrival countries into a major recession as the social services are suddenly overwhelmed.

  122. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shhh, facts are unpopular. Since you're not for immigration you're a racist.

  123. Same as others do, just the polarity is changed. by dsmatthews9379 · · Score: 1

    This is not very different from calls to boycott countries or companies for various political reasons, it is just that political orientation of the individual is perhaps different from the people who usually resort to similar tactics. However there is one big difference, he is within his right to do this and only hurts himself in making such a stand whereas calls to boycott companies and countries often causes collateral economic damage that harms innocent people.

  124. Coren22 CRUSHED & dominated (by facts) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET agrees hosts = good security -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does too -> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts BOTH hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY REAL SECURITY PROS (not menial wannabe rookie like you) DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUT OF YOU SOME MORE?

    ---

    Those security pros?

    They INCLUDE ME too you noobie rookie obvious dimwit as I work with those guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a fairly regular basis!

    I've worked professionally for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer professionally since 1994 (with ME showing you HOW to migrate a hosts file across an enterprise -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    (I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES (which you told me you learned from guides) + WARES TO DO IT 1,000's to MILLIONS USED, probably LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE possibly BEING PAID FOR IT -> http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... )

    ---

    You're all TALK & can't back it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU say "hosts=bad" (yet they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch about using admin privelege (first) to UPDATE them vs. threats online:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You admit using admin priv yourself & how else could I programmatically update hosts minus it inside Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    Since you're MENIAL ASS limited in skills self doesn't code (& didn't even KNOW that) & CLUE/FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best there is) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools... apk

    1. Re: Coren22 CRUSHED & dominated (by facts) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off you weirdo.

  125. Coren22 CRUSHED & dominated (by facts) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET agrees hosts = good security -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does too -> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts BOTH hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY REAL SECURITY PROS (not menial wannabe rookie like you) DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUT OF YOU SOME MORE?

    ---

    Those security pros?

    They INCLUDE ME too you noobie rookie obvious dimwit as I work with those guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a fairly regular basis!

    I've worked professionally for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer professionally since 1994 (with ME showing you HOW to migrate a hosts file across an enterprise -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    (I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES (which you told me you learned from guides) + WARES TO DO IT 1,000's to MILLIONS USED, probably LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE possibly BEING PAID FOR IT -> http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... )

    ---

    You're all TALK & can't back it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU say "hosts=bad" (yet they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch about using admin privelege (first) to UPDATE them vs. threats online:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You admit using admin priv yourself & how else could I programmatically update hosts minus it inside Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    Since you're MENIAL ASS limited in skills self doesn't code (& didn't even KNOW that) & CLUE/FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best there is) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools... apk

  126. Coren22 CRUSHED & dominated (by facts) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET agrees hosts = good security -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does too -> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts BOTH hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY REAL SECURITY PROS (not menial wannabe rookie like you) DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUT OF YOU SOME MORE?

    ---

    Those security pros?

    They INCLUDE ME too you noobie rookie obvious dimwit as I work with those guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a fairly regular basis!

    I've worked professionally for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer professionally since 1994 (with ME showing you HOW to migrate a hosts file across an enterprise -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    (I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES (which you told me you learned from guides) + WARES TO DO IT 1,000's to MILLIONS USED, probably LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE possibly BEING PAID FOR IT -> http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... )

    ---

    You're all TALK & can't back it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU say "hosts=bad" (yet they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch about using admin privelege (first) to UPDATE them vs. threats online:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You admit using admin priv yourself & how else could I programmatically update hosts minus it inside Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    Since you're MENIAL ASS limited in skills self doesn't code (& didn't even KNOW that) & CLUE/FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best there is) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools... apk

  127. Trolling for users by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

    It's better called shitware. His announcement is actually quite suspicious, as if he's trolling for users in a reverse streisand effect. HALLO! I've written this uberfabulous piece of bio software that I'm forbidding all you ugly excuses for homo sapiens from using.

  128. Re:Kudos by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    Oh, I'm all for immigration. Legal immigration.

    --
    Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  129. Re:Finally, someone with balls! Not like PC /. *ho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1

  130. Re:The guy is desparate - mainstream media are bia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah yes, to women and children because me don't deserve to be helped.

  131. Re:The guy is desparate - mainstream media are bia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off - when I talk to people; I find that nearly 90% of them belief in sky fairies.
    I don't take to heart what they think anymore than I take to heart the insane rantings of anti-immigrants or the equally facile pro-immigrants.

    If you want to "stabilise Syria", then you should be taking the stance to tell Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United States of Armament to just FUCK OFF and leave them to sort their own shit out. I mean, really, why the FUCK does the USA have "interests" to "defend" in Syria, I still can't imagine, and I really would like to know.
    Ditto for Palestine, Iraq, Libya, and I barely know where to stop ...

  132. Dave420 "eats his words" (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "it patently clear no-one else agrees with your position" - by dave420 (699308) on Friday September 25, 2015 @04:44AM (#50595241)

    Here's some that are QUITE contrary to yours from /. users + experts in the field:

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    &

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    ---

    * Let's see - a TOP antimalware company hosts AND RECOMMENDS my ware, & real users here like it - you're outnumbered, outthought, & OUTSMARTED, easily as usual, by "yours truly"...

    APK

    P.S.=> To top all THAT off? Better people that a "ne'er-do-well" MORON troll who's never accomplished a thing of good note in computing in yourself AGREE with me hosts are good security:

    Quote of Aryeh Goretsky of NOD32/ESET doing so in fact -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    You UTTER blowhard do nothing "ne'er-do-well" troll... "eat your words" & tell us:

    HOW DID THEY TASTE?

    Flavored with the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat" since your mouth wrote checks your dimwit brain can't cash? Rammed down YOUR THROAT since you stuck your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH too?? LMAO...

    ... apk

  133. Re:The guy is desparate - mainstream media are bia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    However if you talk to people - people are 80% anti-immigrant

    That just means your friends and family are as selfish, racist and ignorant as you are. You are in an echo chamber and that sound is your entitlement cry out for recognition.

    You might not have noticed but 80% of the comments here are actually pro-immigration.

  134. Coren22 CRUSHED & dominated (by facts) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET agrees hosts = good security -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) does too -> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts BOTH hosts & recommends my APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    ---

    * HOW MANY REAL SECURITY PROS (not menial wannabe rookie like you) DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUT OF YOU SOME MORE?

    ---

    Those security pros?

    They INCLUDE ME too you noobie rookie obvious dimwit as I work with those guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a fairly regular basis!

    I've worked professionally for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer professionally since 1994 (with ME showing you HOW to migrate a hosts file across an enterprise -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )

    (I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES (which you told me you learned from guides) + WARES TO DO IT 1,000's to MILLIONS USED, probably LONGER THAN YOU HAVE BEEN ALIVE possibly BEING PAID FOR IT -> http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... )

    ---

    You're all TALK & can't back it -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> YOU say "hosts=bad" (yet they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch about using admin privelege (first) to UPDATE them vs. threats online:

    "So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)

    Hypocrite - You admit using admin priv yourself & how else could I programmatically update hosts minus it inside Windows?

    ---

    "Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)

    Since you're MENIAL ASS limited in skills self doesn't code (& didn't even KNOW that) & CLUE/FACT:

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best there is) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools... apk

  135. Here are the facts by michaelamerz · · Score: 1

    People in Germany for the most part don't blame the refugees. They put the blame on the government and they are correct.

    The German law says, that no one can ask for asylum if he enters the country from another safe country. Germany is surrounded by "safe" countries so there is no *legal* way to enter the country by food, train or car. And that law is not just a law, it is the Grundgesetz, Germany's constitution.

    It would be the Governments job to apply the rules of the law but they choose to ignore it. The government opened the borders and let hundreds of thousands of refugees in - overwhelming law enforcement and local and state level refugee agencies,. Scores of refugees slipped away without even being registered, others simply refused to go where officials asked them to go.

    Germany has a bad track record in regard to the integration of people from other Muslim countries - but it's not easy to integrate people with different cultural values. And there's no long- or short term plan what to do with the refugees. Small communities have to deal with hundreds of foreigners, States start to use eminent domain laws to take houses from their rightful owners to place refugees, in some areas, citizens are warned not to wear mini skirts because it could be "misunderstood" by refugees, fighting between different refugee national- or religious groups is common, there are numerous reports of rape and forced prostitution within the refugee camps . And more refugees are on the way. Thousands and thousands more.

    The current situation is a nightmare. I completely understand why the citizens are starting to complain. The government failed to apply and to protect the constitution. That has (for the most part) nothing to do with racism or nationalism going wild. The people demand a plan, they want to know how the government is planning to deal with those refugees and what to do with all the refugees that are still "on the roads" towards Germany.

  136. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    but US copyright law specifically says that sort of incidental copying doesn't count.

    If that was the case...

    Alright, I decided to look up the section of law I was referring to. See 17 USC ss. 117, Limitations on exclusive rights: Computer programs:

    It is not an infringement for the owner of a copy of a computer program to make or authorize the making of another copy or adaptation of that computer program provided that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner.

    The entire basis and rationale for EULAs is that the act of installing the software on the user's PC involves making a copy and thus "would have been" copyright infringement, so a license would be necessary to cure that infringement. It's a "nice" side effect (from the copyright holder's perspective) that such a license requirement provides an opportunity for the copyright holder to impose additional restrictions to which he would not otherwise be entitled (if he were, for example, selling a book instead). But as you can see, that legal theory is wrong because the code I cited renders such licenses wholly unnecessary.

    ...all software licenses by US entities, that includes GPL, would be void.

    Sigh... yet another person who doesn't understand the GPL.

    Here's the difference between EULAs and the GPL: EULAs (attempt to) restrict mere use of the software -- a thing which copyright law (as I mentioned) already gives the owner [of the copy] the explicit right to do.

    The GPL, on the other hand, has no affect on mere use of the software; in fact, the user does not need to agree to or even care about the GPL in order to do so. What the GPL does is restrict -- and enable -- distribution of the software, a right the owner [of a copy] does not have by default. In consideration for giving the owner [of a copy] the right to copy and redistribute, the GPL requires that said person agree to abide by its terms. That consideration is what makes the GPL valid. EULAs, in contrast, do not give the owner [of a copy] any rights he didn't already have, thus provide no consideration, and thus are not valid contracts.

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  137. Re:Now we see what copyright run amok hath wrought by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Excuse me. "Effect," not "affect."

    --

    "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

  138. This is a no-issue by xgeorgio · · Score: 1

    The author has already given full-access licence with the latest version of the software, non-revokable, back in 2011. If an update is scheduled, only THEN he can alter the distribution and usage selectively.

    Furthermore, there is no legal way to back this up, since the international trieaties forbid any customer discrimination based on race, religion, political views, etc. This means that someone WILL use his software and if he decides to prosecute him/her, the court will drop the charges.

    In practice, there are several thousands of scientist in other countries that will be willing to help. Send them your scripts and they will run them for you. No one can bring racism into science. Period.

    --
    "Abashed the Devil stood, and felt how awful goodness is..."
  139. Re:The guy is desparate - mainstream media are bia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I knew we wouldn't get through this topic without someone mentioning Trump!

  140. Re:It's not polite to talk w/ your mouth full Dave by segin · · Score: 1

    Schizophrenia is a very serious mental illness and I recommend that you seek immediate medical treatment for it.

  141. Re:Dave420 "eats his words" (again) by segin · · Score: 1

    Schizophrenia is a very serious mental illness and I recommend that you seek immediate medical treatment for it. Like, now.

  142. The self-destruction of andymadigan #1/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "uBlock is using 33MB of RAM" - by andymadigan (792996) on Friday June 12, 2015 @10:31PM (#49902053)

    Inefficient: Hosts @ 3-11mb w/ current data & does things adblock variants can't & U RAN FROM IT http://apple.slashdot.org/comm... ).

    UBlock uses 63++ MB & AdBlock = 128mb++ -> http://www.ghacks.net/2014/06/...

    SCREENSHOT -> http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-conte...

    BEST UBlock's done = 38mb/ABP = 64mb -> http://www.extremetech.com/wp-... From http://www.extremetech.com/wp-...

    * See 'p.s.' below - Says all (& I didn't do the saying!)

    ---

    "which blocks more ads? Answer: uBlock/Adblock" by andymadigan (792996) on Sunday June 14, 2015 @12:04AM (#49907001)

    WRONG - "Almost ALL Ads Blocked"'s PAID NOT TO by default-> http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/...

    &

    ABP too http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...

    UBlock/Adblock = far less efficient on CPU & RAM (added messagepassing, SLOW usermode vs. hosts in kernelmode) & NEITHER does a fraction of what hosts do in more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity.

    ---

    "your system blocks fewer ads" by andymadigan (792996) on Sunday June 14, 2015 @12:04AM (#49907001)

    See above: + hosts do MORE w/ less via 1st link above!

    ---

    "I'm more than happy to spend an extra 1% of my computer's power to block far more ads than your shitty idea" by andymadigan (792996) on Sunday June 14, 2015 @12:04AM (#49907001)

    You're 'happy' being illogical & stupid?

    AdBlock's 4++gb & 100% CPU use inefficiency -> https://blog.mozilla.org/nneth...

    +

    ClarityRay defeats it & NOT hosts (clarityray BLOCKS addons via native browser methods).

    ---

    YOU started it -> http://apple.slashdot.org/comm... & here too http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    I finished YOU WITH IT all above!

    APK

    P.S.=> Howard Stark in "Capt. America" - hosts (Cap's Shield) vs. AdBlock & variants (steel):

    "It's stronger than steel & 1/3rd the weight"

    So

    "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" & "eat your words"

    ... apk

  143. The self-destruction of andymadigan #2/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Chrome has thankfully started warning users who try to download it." - by andymadigan (792996) on Sunday June 14, 2015 @03:48PM (#49909947)

    Google can try explaining it vs. proof my ware's CLEAN:

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee who also has the source & verified it safe too) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news...

    &

    It's GUARANTEED safe & clean per it being checked by 57 antivirus programs recently in BOTH its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    In its 32-bit model also https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    * :)

    In case you hadn't noticed it, like when you made your PUNY THREATS effetely *trying* to "blackmail me" on Hilton Hotels here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?

    (which I could give 2 fucks about, I made the money already on a successfully done large scale project with them on contract)

    I SMOKED YOU TOTALLY @ EVERY TURN, & who started it twice here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... AND HERE TOO http://apple.slashdot.org/comm... saying "I should die painfully" etc. - et al?

    You failed badly on all accounts.

    APK

    P.S.=> Especially funny is that you work for CLOUDWORDS (an advertiser affiliate of Marketo) which tips your hand & PROVED YOUR ILL MOTIVES for your stupidity, running away from this most of all -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ... apk

  144. Re:It's not polite to talk w/ your mouth full Dave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Malnutrition is a serious physical illness. Dave420 eating his words is a sure ticket to it. See here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... so you wouldn't want to see your boyfriend whom you so suddenly appear (sockpuppet) to defend to die of it would you? LMAO!

  145. Dave420's multiple personality disorder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dave420's segin sockpuppet persona appears! Dave420 eats his words: malnutrition's serious illness http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    * Speaking of schizophrenia: It's so "odd" (lol, not) that you so suddenly appear (sockpuppet) to defend to your alterego Dave420 (not)...

    You wouldn't want Dave420 to die of malnutrition due to "eating his words" constantly vs. myself, now would you? LMAO!

    APK

    P.S.=> Stale old "worn out" unoriginal bs is all you're capable of Dave420 and projecting your own "modus operandi" in you using multiple registered accounts sockpuppets to "defend yourself" with, using worn out crap like that? Please... I know you're stupid, but don't be so obvious! apk

  146. Re:Mainstream media is covering up the crisis by dotancohen · · Score: 1

    The headline is just right wing extremist propaganda.

    Actually, it turns out to be true:
    http://skeptics.stackexchange....

    --
    It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.