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"There's no vote fraud!"

Again, BULLSHIT. How can you tell if there's vote fraud if you don't ID the voter? You can't.

Republicans know there is voter fraud. In the first person. https://www.denverpost.com/201...

http://occupydemocrats.com/201...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=946...

http://nhpr.org/post/mancheste...

https://www.arktimes.com/arkan...

http://archive.jsonline.com/ne...

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/...

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/0...

Yesiree, Republicans know full well that there is voter fraud, and that is because so much Votter Fraud is performed by Republicans - highly ranked ones even - And your wet dream of a voter ID is going to do nothing, not one thing but eliminate a trite old chestnut of a talking point.

Personally, I'm in favor of voter ID - but given that Republicans bring it up every election cycle like it is the cure blessed by God himself for them thar godless commiecrats and their letting them chocolate people - who always commit fraud, amirite? - is just Bullshit - to use your term.

Phase it in, make it free ( hey, maybe we can get that Russian Oligarch who funnels money to Republicans through the NRA to chip in ) and start long before elections.

But how is that going to actually stop Republican election fraud? Or is that Okay because the Republican party has shown it has a lock on the moral high ground?

"Bruce Schneier .. points out, quite rightly, that the U.S. needs to secure its electronic voting machines, and we need to do it in a hurry lest outside interests hack the result"

Well then, you shouldn't have handed the contract to Diebold *, who ran the voting machines on Microsoft Windows with no full irrevocable paper audit, so anyone and his dog could delete ballots.

* "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.", Walden O'Dell CEO Diebold

How To Rig An Election In The United States

There are two writers who do the best reporting regarding the vast, and provable election fraud going on in the US regarding electronic voting and voter rights: They are Brad Friedman and Greg Palast.

Here are their sites:

http://www.bradblog.com/

http://www.gregpalast.com/

But don't blame me if what you read there makes you put your head through your computer monitor.

Just look at the top three posts from Brad Friedman's blog (Brad is the foremost blogger on the topic of electronic voting and fair elections in the US):

http://www.bradblog.com/

Here are the three headlines as of right now:

Touch-Screen Votes Flip 'No' to 'Yes' on Abortion Amendment to State Constitution in TN

E-Votes Flip D to R in Texas, R to D in Illinois: More Trouble With Touch-Screens (2014 Edition)

and last but not least:

Christie Says GOP Governors Need to Win in 2014 So They Can Control 'Voting Mechanisms' in 2016

If your state has e-voting, your elections are a farce. You might as well not vote. There is overwhelming evidence that e-voting has already flipped major elections in the United States, which means e-voting machines that are currently being used, that have absolutely no paper verification, have nullified your rights as a citizen.

And you can always explain away any attacks of conscience by claiming you simply want everyone to be personally responsible for themselves, even as your policies take away the means to do so from the majority of people.

I wish I'd written that.

It's sort of like claiming your view represents the majority while trying to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of legal voters.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=852...

If you read the contract, there are a number of things that jump out at you.

The contract was signed September 17, 2012. Given the time needed to generate quotes, negotiate the contract, and work it through legal, it is obvious that this was in the works for some time prior to that.

If you read pages 17 & 18, the purpose is to export comma separated value (csv) files in the format specified in the contract.

The program is written in COBOL. (As has been discussed many times on Slashdot, all great hacks are performed in COBOL.)

I see in the meeting notice below that the OHIO BOARD OF VOTING MACHINE EXAMINERS was scheduled to meet June 21st. That would seem to be about right to start dealing with this proposal / contract.
NOTICE OF MEETING: OHIO BOARD OF VOTING MACHINE EXAMINERS

The same company's software was directly discussed at the previous meeting of the Ohio Board of Voting Machine Examiners below.
notice of a meeting to be held by the Ohio Board of Voting Machine Examiners

Did someone miss some meetings?

Hmmm.... look like nothing to see here, move along.

Ohio Secretary of State accused of installing suspicious software on voting machines

Ohio law allows for the experimental use of voting equipment as long as it’s restricted to a limited number of precincts, and under the experimental label, equipment can legally be used without certification.

The Free Press revealed the contract between Husted’s office and the contracted vendor Election Systems and Solutions reads that the software has not been and does not need to be reviewed by any testing authority at the state or federal level.

Election Counsel Brandi Laser Seske sent out a memo to Secretary of State personnel yesterday, detailing the software. In the memo, she explains the software did not require review because it is not “involved in the tabulation or casting of ballots or a modification to a certified system.”

Matt McClellan, a spokesman for the Secretary of State’s office, told theGrio that no patches were installed, describing instead a reporting tool software meant to “assist counties and to help them simplify the process by which they report the results to our system.”

I think this can be filed under "narrative fail."

These are some pretty wild accusations to make without proof. I'd love to see some sources.

There are enough sources here, both from original research and links to other research and stories, to convince anyone who has a reasonable willingness to evaluate the evidence on its merits.

When you're talking about evidence of GOP election fraud, the sheer volume of examples represents something of an embarrassment of riches. The feeling one gets is not so much shock at finding out just how blatant this has been, but amazement and concern that the mainstream corporate press has so comprehensively ignored the stories.

Just start with the entries for the past month or two, and by all means click through to the original sources. Let me know what you think.

For fun, let's look at #7 (even though it was already answered by #6 -- if we should reverse it, the risks of not reversing it are too big, apparently.)
- Crippling the world economy
    That's a nice change from a group of w/bankers doing that :)
- Billions of people poorer, governments richer
    Dunno if you noticed, but the trend is for people to get richer. Compare your spending power with 50s spending power. Compare Chinese/Indian/Brazilian/.. spending power with their 50s equivalent. Sure, there are bumps on the way, but we've been steadily going up.
- any and all other power grabs
Is that an argument against doing something against global warming or against doing anything, whatsoever?

Now let's look at the consequences of not reversing (remember, we're at #7, so we already decided we should reverse it).
- we're ruining our only real deep-space space ship (Earth).
- we're substantially changing living conditions on the only habitable planet we can get to
- we're messing up all of the planet's eco-systems

Here's the thing. Even if this all happens at a glacial pace (which, experts agree on, it is not), and even if it won't affect you, your children, your grandchildren, or even their grandchildren. Even if the effects will only become significant in 500 years.
You. Are. Still. Fucking. Up. Our. Only. Planet.

The question is not "how can I try to ignore that and reason it away?". The question is not "does it marginally affect the spending power of a tiny blip of all humans who will have to live with the result?" The question is "How can we make this place better?"

I realize that recall is in the rules, but you guys have to be the sorest losers ever.

Says the guy stumping for the party that less than a year ago was screaming "The people have spoken! The people have spoken!!" then, 8 months after "dropping the bomb", falls all over itself trying to prevent the people from exercising their right to recall their elected reps. They shot their wad and figured that the opposition would just piss and moan and sit on their hands; now that they're using the system to push back, now all of a sudden we need to start playing all sorts of games with voter ID, try to force the recalls to happen in the newly created districts that don't even legally take effect until November 2012, invoke a law that hasn't been used in a century to legally place their own operatives in the polls as part of their "strategy" (gee, I wonder why that could be?), pushing to try and declare it illegal to sign a recall petition more than once (which people were almost forced to do by all the Tea Party idiots screaming on Facebook about how they were going to collect signatures and shred them later, ha ha ha, oops, that's a felony?!). Talk about sore losers, we're not sitting here trying to change the rules when we're losing the game like a bunch of spoiled brats.

And a voter-ID law--what? students don't carry school photo IDs and/or driver's licenses? You can't cash a check or board a plane without ID, but a voter-ID law is "disenfranchisement"?

Uh, school photo ID's weren't acceptable until the UW jumped through a lot of strategically placed hoops to have their ID's recognized at a cost of $700,000 to the state. Tech school ID's are still not allowed because "tech school students typically commute to school" or some bullshit reason. But in order to qualify, the ID must have the student's signature and expire within two years of the date of issuance. Within two years? My driver's license, which is an acceptable form of ID to vote, expires in 2018. So, please, explain to me why a school ID isn't good enough if it's more than 2 years old but my driver's license, which still has my address on it from like 4 apartments ago, is?

And you don't explain how the elderly are being kept from voting. They can always get IDs if they need them.

Simple: Elderly people are less likely to be driving, and thus are far more likely to have an expired ID card. How many people in nursing homes do you think are concerned with running down to the DMV when their license, which they haven't used in years, is expired? And how the hell do they get down there to renew it? What if they're bedridden, or don't have anyone to drive them down there? They just don't get to vote anymore? And yes, expired ID's are allowed to vote via absentee ballot, but the ID must be dated no later than the last election, November 2010 in this case. They must also be photocopied and mailed in ahead of time. I mean, everyone has a photocopier in their home, especially the elderly, amirite?

Obama and the lousy National economy are as much to blame...

You think I'm cheering for Obama? I don't give a fuck about him or any other Democrats, either. They're all equally corrupt, they're all on the take. But, unlike the typical partisan assholes flooding this state as of late, my absolute disgust with Scott Walker and the other Tea Party Republicans in our state legislature does not translate to an endorsement for their opponents. I don't want to just recall the Republicans, I want to recall everyone, again and again and again, until the special interests and lobbyists either run out of money or get tired of throwing it away on perpetual campaigns.

Don't be one of those people, Anonymous Coward. R

As far as al Qeada leaders go, all I gotta say is: Tango Down. What people should really be worried about is the gov't assassinating its own citizens to cover up election fraud, now that is truly the sign of Democracy's demise.

It you want to say TV isn't a failure, then cut off CAFR funding for it. Cut off Obama's giveaway to the networks. Let's have the FCC panel made up of engineers who the public votes in, not the one's the POTUS appoints. Today you have to get your daily dose of propaganda BS along with your local news (which could possibly warn if a tsunami is on the way) what a nasty trade off, listening to how jobs are so good, and the economy is recovering, and OBL shot and dumped at sea, just to try to know if the rain might have nuclear fallout or if some earthquake has a 100' wave headed your way. Let us not forget the switch to DTV which sucks more money people don't have. Plus when it's really windy from the haarp technology mucking with the weather, the DTV packets break up. Where in analog, it was just snow and noise, now it's BSOD (black screen of death)

Ya want to talk about the telcos? Start with NSA fios splitters, move on to wiretaps, spying, and all the rest of the crap. You couldn't GIVE me a mobile phone.

You want to talk about the internet and law? Miserable failure. *.AA , DMCA, streaming stations, copyright/patent trolls, SEO blackhats, the intelligence community spying, Chamber of Commerce, facebook. You can't look me in the eye and tell me that's not a failure for the US Constitution which is now intermittent.

When the monetary system financial terrorism come to fruition and mark to market is realized and the funding sources are added up, and the financial terrorists are prosecuted, these technologies will be a failure. It's just that it isn't measured this way currently because of the corruption and payola.

Watch: sock puppet / trolls will vote this message off the radar they don't like the truth.

As Thursday's show continued, I received confirmation that I, personally, along with members of my family, had been highlighted in Themis' proposed hit job, as ThinkProgress followed up with a second story, based on several other emails from HBGary's CEO Aaron Barr. The email focused on me included names, personal information, home addresses, etc. of myself, family members and a number of other members of VR. Naturally, I reported on the then-confirmed news in the second hour of that night's Malloy Show.

From page 5 of the Ars Technica article:

When asked to investigate pro-union websites and WikiLeaks, Barr turned immediately to his social media toolkit and was ready to deploy personas, Facebook scraping, link analysis, and fake websites; he also suggested computer attacks on WikiLeaks infrastructure and pressure be brought upon journalists like Glenn Greenwald.

His compatriots at Palantir and Berico showed, in their many e-mails, few if any qualms about turning their national security techniques upon private dissenting voices. Barr's ideas showed up in Palantir-branded PowerPoints and Berico-branded "scope of work" documents. "Reconnaissance cells" were proposed, network attacks were acceptable, "target dossiers" on "adversaries" would be compiled, and "complex information campaigns" involving fake personas were on the table.

Critics like Glenn Greenwald contend that this nexus of private and public security power is a dangerous mix. "The real issue highlighted by this episode is just how lawless and unrestrained is the unified axis of government and corporate power," he wrote last week.

Especially (though by no means only) in the worlds of the Surveillance and National Security State, the powers of the state have become largely privatized. There is very little separation between government power and corporate power. Those who wield the latter intrinsically wield the former.

The revolving door between the highest levels of government and corporate offices rotates so fast and continuously that it has basically flown off its track and no longer provides even the minimal barrier it once did. It's not merely that corporate power is unrestrained; it's worse than that: corporations actively exploit the power of the state to further entrench and enhance their power.

Even if you don't share this view, the e-mails provide a fascinating glimpse into the origins of government-controlled malware. Given the number of rootkits apparently being developed for government use, one wonders just how many machines around the globe could respond to orders from the US military. Or the Chinese military. Or the Russian military.

While hackers get most of the attention for their rootkits and botnets and malware, state actors use the same tools to play a different game—the Great Game—and it could be coming soon to a computer near you.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8351

Democrats will of course take every opportunity to posture in front of the TV cameras so they will yell and scream a bit, safe in the knowledge that they won't be asked "wheres the beef" by the legacy media. So stay away from Breitbart and Fox and it' still just like the 20th Century.

True, only in the sense that in the 20th century, although the Speaker of the House could impeach the President for the same conduct he was engaging in himself, back in the 20th century when you just made things up with absolutely no basis in reality, it wouldn't be broadcast on every tv "news" program as fact. Fox "News" has always been trash, but some of the others used to check their facts. Now, it seems only Liberals and Progressives even bother.

I think the last time was in the 2002 Alabama gubernatorial race.

Pretty sure GP is referring to Clint Curtis accusing U.S. Congressman Tom Feeney (R-FL) of asking him to create vote rigging software. It's all a bit nebulous. According to Seminole Chronicle he gave "sworn testimony to Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee investigating allegations of voter fraud in the 2004 presidential election involving touch-screen voting in Ohio".

Seminole Chronicle story:
http://www.seminolechronicle.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/12/16/41c2fdb042ea1

St. Pete Times coverage:
http://www.stpetersburgtimes.com/2005/04/09/State/Blogs_spin_tale_of_co.shtml

Blog that originally broke the story with links to sworn affidavit [PDF] and additional muck raking:
http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=3980

Or perhaps a bathtub in a motel.

election terrorists?
Complete psyop propaganda.

Brad Friedman - http://bradblog.com/
Bev Harris - http://blackboxvoting.org/

These two people are as far from election terrorists as you can get.

The one thing you purposely leave out of this discussion is the broken chain of custody which electronic signals representing votes create.

Your software runs on hardware, hardware which is not checked, because to check such hardware you would have to destroy it by reverse engineering it under an electron microscope.

If you on slashdot listen to this idiot AC, our country is going to keep screwing up down the same path. Officials KNOW electronic voting is rigged, that's why in conjunction with corporate media they can never be held accountable.

Lost in this whole discussion with Homeland Security -- is how do we make sure the people watching us, aren't the problem?

It's been almost a decade now, that I've felt that there was NO OVERSIGHT on people with power, and of course, we only put on trial the few bad apples that are disposable. But if we cannot have anyone at the Fed accountable for destroying the economy, if we can't have anyone at the Pentagon accountable for absolute failure on 9/11 and then LOSING $2 Trillion dollars that seemed to miss the headlines on 9/12, what the heck is the point of sniffing up every business man's trousers --- if they are REAL bad guys, they might just be working for Homeland Security.

Did anyone investigate why Homeland Security was funding the CIA's "Prostitutes and Poker" scandal at the Watergate Hotel? Did someone just declare "bygones" and we all forgot about it?

There is no transparency and accountability in regards to abuse. For all we know, HS could copy the hard drive of someone from GM and give the data to someone at GE for a great price. The risk/reward for corporate espionage when NOBODY IS WATCHING THE WATCHERS -- well, corruption is inevitable.

I might have some trust in Homeland Security, if they spent less time looking for dirty pictures and downloaded music files and a LOT MORE TIME, looking into things like the Sibel Edmonds testimony: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7374

Google "media bias" for more.

Ok, I did... and it may be that Jeffrey Milo may not be the best source on this: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5845

Except on Fox, where every Congressional wrongdoer seems to get a (D), including Mark Foley (multiple times).

Reality check: this is whining posing as media criticism. At best, it's amusingly stupid.

Finnish e-voting results annulled, municipalities to hold new elections by Electronic Frontier Finland ry (Effi), the best summary in English, IMO;
Helsingin Sanomat;
Helsinki Times;
The Brad Blog;
NewsRoom Finland;
YLE; and
Turre (the lawyers that won the case).

The voting system was provided by Tieto and Scytl. In their News Page, Scytl declares: "Scytl's Pnyx.core successfully used in local elections in Finland" Shouldn't they update this...? It is even possible that the 2% of the votes lost was due to the Pnyx.core, instead of usability issues with the voting terminals, as has been commonly assumed - who knows.

Personally, I'll be very curious to see how much this story gets in American mainstream media, as compared with, say, this story: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6995.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7001
There is a good writeup on 8 people arrested here in the US for tampering with electronic votes.
"KY Election Officials Arrested, Charged With 'Changing Votes at E-Voting Machines'"
Give me a paper ballot and keep a paper trail.

Paper and pencil ballots still need to be counted, either by hand or by machines.

Hand counts are time consuming and, in tests, rarely match one another.

Machine counting has meant relying on companies like Diebold: see www.bradblog.com/?p=6733

And California:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4985

Here's an update on bradblog.com about bad problems down in Texas:

Brad Friedman's blog:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6584#more-6584

We've been reporting for the last week or so on the ES&S iVotronic touch-screen voting machines which are flipping votes from Democratic candidates to others in, so far, at least four states. We've showed you actual footage of it and how even after being "recalibrated" these machines still continue to flip votes.

[ snip ]

Unfortunately, it's not just the error-prone, hackable, wholly unverifiable iVotronics from ES&S which are failing. Error-prone, hackable and wholly unverifiable Direct Recording Electronic (DRE, usually touch-screen) voting systems made by Hart InterCivic, Diebold and Sequoia Voting Systems are also having the same problems across the country. And the Democrats, who have the most to lose, continue to do nothing about it...

On Monday, we posted a video of a WV county clerk demonstrating the vote-flips on the ES&S iVotronic and suggesting that the problem was due to touch-screen calibration issues on the machine. The video then shows the clerk inserting a cartridge into the machine to recalibrate it, after which the machine still mis-records a vote.

[ snip ]

While recalibration has been ordered in many of these cases, it needs to be pointed out that there is no way that any touch-screen voting machine should ever have a cartridge inserted into it, for any reason, by anybody, after it's already been programmed for an election. That is the very moment these machines are the most vulnerable to malicious software and other forms of tampering and attack. That recalibration is being advised where these problems have occurred --- instead of complete removal from service, to be replaced by paper ballots --- is insane.

Recalibration, so far, has been the response prescribed by election officials and, to their shame, we have seen absolutely no sign that the DNC and Barack Obama attorneys have done anything to take appropriate action ...

... We now have reports of voting flipping in Texas on both Hart InterCivic DREs and, of course, the always unreliable ones made by Diebold.

Last week, from the Houston Chronicle:

[Harris County Clerk Beverly Kaufman's] office was informed early today that some of the first voters had cast straight-ticket Democratic ballots and then discovered that the electronic machines listed them as voting for John McCain in the presidential election.

In the report, Kaufman, as expected, tries to play down the reports of problems. Harris County (Houston), the largest county in the second largest uses the Hart InterCivic eSlate DRE. Though the eSlate is not a touch-screen --- voters use a wheel and a button to select candidates from the computer screen --- it's still an unverifiable DRE voting system.

Our friend Pokey Anderson, an election integrity advocate in Houston, and host of KPFT/Pacifica's Sunday Monitor program, confirmed with one of the first 30 or so voters to vote on the first day of early voting at the West Gray Multi-Service Center that her straight ticket Democratic vote was flipped to McCain ...

I did hear one report of a R vote flipping to D. It seems to have been a hoax.

And here and here are links to several stories of votes switching from D to R.

There was a report released on Friday. It says Sarah Palin broke the law.

Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

Now that is something the media and Palin campaign will be desperately trying to spin as harmless/irrelevant/nonexistent. Palin is already lying about it.

Whoops!
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6309

Please see Stephen Spoonamore's 2006 unaired interview with
ABC news
(total interview comprised of 8 segments)

Mr. Spoonamore, a lifelong Republican who runs an IT security company (including work on Diebold ATMs, credit card identity fraud and overseas election monitoring), criticizes Diebold a for lack of transparency, auditing, and security regarding their election machines.

Then read this recent interview of lawyers who are embroiled in a fraud suit against the Ohio Attorney General over the 2004 election machines:

"Don't forget that people went to jail for rigging the recount in Ohio. The big question is, why rig a recount if the regular count wasn't rigged in the first place?"

Because you're looking for a political conspiracy where there is none. And your "Brad Blog" would know that too if he would RTFA he himself linked from. The women weren't convicted of conspiracy, they were convicted of negligence. The conviction was for, and I quote, "for rigging the 2004 presidential election recount to make their job easier.". This was a case of two elections workers being lazy and getting caught, not colluding in a conspiracy to throw the election. One of them was a Democrat. Their supervising board consisted of two Republicans, and two Democrats. And in the recount, Kerry actually gained votes, and Bush lost votes, something the court never disputed. The court also didn't allege that the recount was fraudulent. Their boss said they simply made some mistakes, but the prosecutor and judge stated they thought there was "more" to the story, and seemed to imply that they thought more election workers were cutting their workload in violation of election laws, and that the two convicted women were covering for fellow workers, who came from both the Democratic and Republican parties.

From the AP article:

The prosecutor did not claim the rigged recount affected the outcome of the election; Kerry gained 17 votes and Bush lost six in the county recount

The BradBlog took a negligence case and spun it as a conspiracy theory to suit his own political ends.

Another question is, why does a company who make ATM machines which don't lose a cent in millions of transactions and have a paper trail fail to do the same for voting machines?

Don't forget this wonderful youtube clip:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UvEuqYyDoE

Brad Blog has this story from when Diebold had a picture of their key on their corporate website back in January 2007. Diebold's since replaced the picture. There's a video of the key in action @ the link I just posted.

1.) Look up Brad Friedman and the Automark. (In my opinion the automark was the best implementation of HAVA's requirement, but if it can't be programmed correctly by normal people it should be ditched.)

2.) You say you've been in the fight against the current voting machine for years. (I ask you for references and you repeatedly ignored this request.)

3.) you call me paranoid.
I ain't paranoid, I am pissed off. There's a big difference.

4.) as someone who grew up without calculators, computers, using paper and pencil, and not many people more exist in the United States since that time, I say your full of crap when you say that "Due to the population, it is also unrealistic."
You simply do not know what the fuck your talking about.

5.) you can keep pushing corrupt electronic vote tabulation devices, and I really don't give a fuck what system or hardware you use, I can still fuck it up in one second flat on election day -- if you allow me legally to fuck with it.

6.) your done now, because you are done now. Your TOASTED.

7.) If the shit doesn't get fixed. e.g. the removal of all electronic vote tabulation devices and the corruption is allowed to continue and another president is not elected by the people, you can bet your ass that all hell is going to break loose this time. (Personally, I've had enough of this shit, I know who the domestic terrorists are and it ain't fucking ME!)

8.) Don't tell me about the fucking media.
I PRODUCE FUCKING MEDIA!

9.) I don't give a fuck about your fucking education, I want to know WHO YOU ARE, and WHAT THE FUCK YOU HAVE DONE FOR ELECTIONS.

10.) Calling for hand counted paper ballots, (notice how you always fucking SKIP the CHAIN OF CUSTODY, AND PUBLIC OVERSIGHT!) is not going off the deep end! And yet STILL YOU FUCK UP BY SKIPPING, THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES I SAY.. (e.g. Chain of custody and public oversight.)

11.) You don't deal with security, you deal with psyop disinformation.

12.) If you offer up the system you have, then offer the motherfucker up, quit saying it and post a motherfucking URL. LIAR.

WRONG.

You love to use the noun "electronic voting."

I use the noun "electronic vote tabulation device."

BIG DIFFERENCE.

And Paper Trail is pure fucking nonsense.

It's NEVER EVER EVER BEEN COUNTED 100%! EVER. And it might as well be TOILET PAPER because with an "electronic vote tabulation device" can tell the printer to print anything the fascist programmer wants.

Let's not forget that it's TOO LATE to roll what your talking about out for 2008.

Your simply dreaming.

If you really want to be an open source advocate, design one box for each polling precinct that "assists the disabled to print a paper ballot."
Paper ballots that then follow an 100% unbroken chain of custody with public oversight 100%.

In case you forgot clarify, HAVA, 'The help America Vote Act of 2002' was authored by Bob Ney
(you remember Bob don't ya? WASHINGTON â" A top House Republican on Tuesday called for Rep. Bob Ney to resign, days after the six-term GOP lawmaker agreed to plead guilty to federal corruption charges. Small world huh..)

Continuing... HAVA, Never specified that we all needed to have "electronic vote tabulation devices." e.g. all these Optical Scanners are a cover for rigging the vote. And again I remind you that NEVER EVER HAVE PAPER BALLOTS been COUNTED 100% when there is some failure.

Where failure= glitch, burp, human error, burned up device

Problem is even to this day DRE's that assist the voter to mark a ballot are fucked up, even the Automark failed. Ask Brad Friedman about how they fucked up four votes for him.

Okay, so now you rant troll shit about the CIA? The CIA shouldn't have a fucking thing to do with PUBLIC OVERSIGHT!!!
I call your bluff, RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.

I bet you don't even know basic electronics, programming, or common sense physics, because if you DO, then you are spreading fascist propaganda. I've listed *some* resources, you say you did a lot of research on the subject. BULLSHIT. otherwise you'd come to the same conclusion as myself. You probably don't even know Basic LOGIC.

You don't use the right language when describing specific parts of a system, or hierarchy, next larger assembly is all you preach. Your fucking MSIA doesn't mean shit. I don't have ANY FUCKING DEGREE yet I have been working with, testing, designing and repairing electronics and furthermore programming for more than 10 years. Your degree doesn't mean a fucking thing.

I'll say it again, if you really want to help, then fight against "electronic vote tabulation devices" and instead if your so open source (I don't see how with an MSIA) advocate then design a device that assists the disabled to PRINT A FUCKING PAPER BALLOT that get's hand counted, 100% chain of custody, 100% public oversight.

The last time I checked on HR 811, it had gaping holes in it. So maybe the Slashdot submitter can tell us all what's changed? Or is the original submitter just doing a propaganda spin test bubble for the uninitiated?

Holes, that allowed electronic tabulation devices to manipulate votes in secret. Holes that prevent public oversight.

But, I've noticed on Slashdot, that everyone's so god damn pro OPEN SOURCE (which I like opensource don't get me wrong.), that they don't have their heads screwed on right when it comes to elections, and are too easily manipulated by suggestion of test bubble fascist propaganda.

Using electronic vote tabulation devices

--REGARDLESS OF THE FUCKING OPERATING SYSTEM IS A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK.

The HARDWARE can be SPECIALLY CRAFTED!

And as has already been SHOWN, THE SOFTWARE WAS MANIPULATED TO RIG ELECTIONS. (hit http://bradblog.com/ and http://blackboxvoting.org/ for you with the SHORT MEMORY SPAN)

And you word and punctuation nazi's...Don't talk to me about shouting in all caps, I typed it that way on purpose fucking READ IT! Start fucking listening! Even the USAF is worried about specially crafted chips (at the doping level.) We no longer have time to teach idiots about this shit we need to get rid of it by outlawing it. I fucking been shouting about this for several fucking years now, and watched the whole Constitution, Economy, and DEATHS because of these MOTHERFUCKING ELECTRONIC VOTE TABULATION DEVICES. These manufactures of this shit are domestic terrorists by proxy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Electronic vote tabulation devices do not belong in elections, it is an abusive use of technology. If you can't understand that then you are corrupt. Especially if you call yourself a technician, sysad, programmer, or hardware manufacture. The only possible way you would disagree is if you are a troll for the fascist corporations who have stolen our motherfucking right to vote!

Interesting that he's not mentioned in the summary, but several other sources seem to indicate that Karl Rove is behind this.

Go ahead and mod me down, I've got decent karma.

Most recent news.

Regarding the technological issue -- I think the spidering can be somewhat useful, but it's kind of like bringing a knife to a gunfight; it isn't going to make up for all the gaffes and flip-flopping on positions that McCain has stated publicly, versus something written on a website/weblog.

A youtube video comparing/contrasting McCain against himself -- of which there are many -- are far more damning than a diff of a website.

Not possible with specially crafted chips, or chain of custody that travels hundreds of miles an hour down the road.

What isn't possible? Election fraud?

Election fraud is possible with specially crafted chips and a broken chain of custody.

Even IF election fraud (not to be confused with the negligible voter fraud fake problem to cleanse the vote registration) is detected, they still have no power to stop it, or stop the candidate from being sworn in.

Well, then what's the bloody point of an election? And who's "they" (as in they still have no power...)? If there's a real issue of election fraud, you'd better believe that the people who got shafted are going to call for an inquiry, get the legal system involved, etc...

First off "they" is citizen oversight. Your really not up to speed here, not much time left to catch "people like you" up; before you get screwed again by the next election. (how do you like that shitty syntax!?)

Secondly,
The Legal System failed completely in the CA 50 where they did exactly that.

Yet still, "Bilbray was sworn in, with the intent that thereafter any and all actions taken by anybody would be void and without force and effect, due to the "exclusive jurisdiction" of the House concerning the Qualifications of its Members." (hat tip to Emily Levy at Bradblog)

In short your full of shit.

Am I full of shit? I don't think so, but that's your opinion. It's my opinion that you didn't really give this post too much thought, as is evident by your rambling, incoherent sentences, and blatant error in your last sentence, indicating your inability or unwillingness to proofread.

Now that you are completely debunked.

All you can do is sit there like a meth addicted drunken psychotic cyber-warfare Buddha (filled with SHIT) and do is attack my fucked up writing style, because of your unwillingness to seek the TRUTH...

YOUR Welcome to Shut The Fuck Up now, or make it worse.

Go fuck yourself and your stupid psychology games.

You are wrong PERIOD, the ACVR agenda to purposely obfuscate the definitions of "election fraud" and "voter fraud."

Election Fraud, relates to the electronics, the machines, and the officials.

Voter Fraud, relates to fake voters. Again, PROVEN TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.

This is so that VOTER ID + REAL ID can be used to stop people from voting. The whole steaming pile of crap started by severalrat-fuckers shill organization (a fucking mailbox) that was setup to spread propaganda.

So you can consider the phrase whatever way you want, you'll still be wrong.

Whether or not I am angry is just a symptom of the bullshit going on in the United States.

This Unconstitutional shit MUST be stopped.

Go fuck yourself and your stupid psychology games.

You are wrong PERIOD, the ACVR agenda to purposely obfuscate the definitions of "election fraud" and "voter fraud."

Election Fraud, relates to the electronics, the machines, and the officials.

Voter Fraud, relates to fake voters. Again, PROVEN TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.

This is so that VOTER ID + REAL ID can be used to stop people from voting. The whole steaming pile of crap started by severalrat-fuckers shill organization (a fucking mailbox) that was setup to spread propaganda.

So you can consider the phrase whatever way you want, you'll still be wrong.

Whether or not I am angry is just a symptom of the bullshit going on in the United States.

This Unconstitutional shit MUST be stopped.

Go fuck yourself and your stupid psychology games.

You are wrong PERIOD, the ACVR agenda to purposely obfuscate the definitions of "election fraud" and "voter fraud."

Election Fraud, relates to the electronics, the machines, and the officials.

Voter Fraud, relates to fake voters. Again, PROVEN TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.

This is so that VOTER ID + REAL ID can be used to stop people from voting. The whole steaming pile of crap started by severalrat-fuckers shill organization (a fucking mailbox) that was setup to spread propaganda.

So you can consider the phrase whatever way you want, you'll still be wrong.

Whether or not I am angry is just a symptom of the bullshit going on in the United States.

This Unconstitutional shit MUST be stopped.

Go fuck yourself and your stupid psychology games.

You are wrong PERIOD, the ACVR agenda to purposely obfuscate the definitions of "election fraud" and "voter fraud."

Election Fraud, relates to the electronics, the machines, and the officials.

Voter Fraud, relates to fake voters. Again, PROVEN TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.

This is so that VOTER ID + REAL ID can be used to stop people from voting. The whole steaming pile of crap started by severalrat-fuckers shill organization (a fucking mailbox) that was setup to spread propaganda.

So you can consider the phrase whatever way you want, you'll still be wrong.

Whether or not I am angry is just a symptom of the bullshit going on in the United States.

This Unconstitutional shit MUST be stopped.

Go fuck yourself and your stupid psychology games.

You are wrong PERIOD, the ACVR agenda to purposely obfuscate the definitions of "election fraud" and "voter fraud."

Election Fraud, relates to the electronics, the machines, and the officials.

Voter Fraud, relates to fake voters. Again, PROVEN TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.

This is so that VOTER ID + REAL ID can be used to stop people from voting. The whole steaming pile of crap started by severalrat-fuckers shill organization (a fucking mailbox) that was setup to spread propaganda.

So you can consider the phrase whatever way you want, you'll still be wrong.

Whether or not I am angry is just a symptom of the bullshit going on in the United States.

This Unconstitutional shit MUST be stopped.

Go fuck yourself and your stupid psychology games.

You are wrong PERIOD, the ACVR agenda to purposely obfuscate the definitions of "election fraud" and "voter fraud."

Election Fraud, relates to the electronics, the machines, and the officials.

Voter Fraud, relates to fake voters. Again, PROVEN TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.

This is so that VOTER ID + REAL ID can be used to stop people from voting. The whole steaming pile of crap started by severalrat-fuckers shill organization (a fucking mailbox) that was setup to spread propaganda.

So you can consider the phrase whatever way you want, you'll still be wrong.

Whether or not I am angry is just a symptom of the bullshit going on in the United States.

This Unconstitutional shit MUST be stopped.

Go fuck yourself and your stupid psychology games.

You are wrong PERIOD, the ACVR agenda to purposely obfuscate the definitions of "election fraud" and "voter fraud."

Election Fraud, relates to the electronics, the machines, and the officials.

Voter Fraud, relates to fake voters. Again, PROVEN TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.

This is so that VOTER ID + REAL ID can be used to stop people from voting. The whole steaming pile of crap started by severalrat-fuckers shill organization (a fucking mailbox) that was setup to spread propaganda.

So you can consider the phrase whatever way you want, you'll still be wrong.

Whether or not I am angry is just a symptom of the bullshit going on in the United States.

This Unconstitutional shit MUST be stopped.

Go fuck yourself and your stupid psychology games.

You are wrong PERIOD, the ACVR agenda to purposely obfuscate the definitions of "election fraud" and "voter fraud."

Election Fraud, relates to the electronics, the machines, and the officials.

Voter Fraud, relates to fake voters. Again, PROVEN TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.

This is so that VOTER ID + REAL ID can be used to stop people from voting. The whole steaming pile of crap started by severalrat-fuckers shill organization (a fucking mailbox) that was setup to spread propaganda.

So you can consider the phrase whatever way you want, you'll still be wrong.

Whether or not I am angry is just a symptom of the bullshit going on in the United States.

This Unconstitutional shit MUST be stopped.

To all you retarded pro e-voting wacko's.

You are aware of this document right? That was 2005.
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2005-02-HPMS_Report_Final.pdf

You do understand that the USAF is very concerned about hardware hidden logic. Right? Red Team Blue Team

You do know that eeproms are FUCKING MISSING!!

Look idiots, it's not linux vs windows, it's not software only, it's HARDWARE at the doping level.

It's lots of money to grab power and the enabling bullshit fascist corporate media enablers who won't do the most basic of journalistic investigation.

These electronic vote tabulation devices are nothing but trouble, Avi Rubin is full of shit.

So basically here with our broken electronic ballots a write in vote = republican,at least according to their machines. Anyway our tallies are starting to get bad enough I'm starting to wonder if anyone's votes are counted or if it is like pro wrestling were the results have already been decided before the contest. But that is my 02c,YMMV