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Re: What if it had supported "social justice"? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-03-25 13:18 · Score: 0 · on Microsoft's 'Teen Girl' AI Experiment Becomes a 'Neo-Nazi Sex Robot'

I simply disagree.

Well, duh. That doesn't make you not relying on racist assumptions.

I don't see it that way. Instead the problem is that I see the leaders of the black community supporting and encouraging that behavior, and they are leaders because the people follow them.

Exactly how many of their leaders do you see? How many can you identify even in your own community?

When was the last time you ever talked to someone like Clementa Pickyney?

So it IS a culture problem, among people who happen to be black.

You believe it is one, but you have not proven it. Good luck doing that anthropological research.

It is not a problem of their race, there are exceptions to the rule (I provided one, Collin Powell), but they are exceptions.

A fine credit to his race, eh? An exception? That's a level of patronizing you might want to avoid.

Example: If white leaders people were supportive of what Timothy McVeigh did, then other people would right to blame white people for the violence. Instead, white leaders denounce the violence, denounce blaming others for such problems. Going further back, we denounce the use of slavery, it was wrong, we won't do it again.

These would be better assertions if right-wing militia violence did not still continue (see Neveda and Oregon for recent examples), or if segregation had not been practiced after the Civil War, as well as the effective abandonment by the North of the concept of Civil Rights in the South. Great, they ended slavery. Then what? Shit carried on.

Same with Timothy McVeigh, there's plenty out there who are still going on about Birth Certificates and FEMA camps, and other such touchstones of the faith.

Going to clean up your house? When can we see you undertake it?

If someone like Jesse Jackson were to stand up and say "my fellow African Americans, put down the guns, renounce violence, renounce blame of race, accept the apology for slavery, lets move forward together as once race, equal rights for all, no special treatment for anyone, all lives matter", I'd go march with him in a heartbeat.

As it stands, I don't respect him because he doesn't do that, instead he has used the race issue to divide Americans and further his own ambitions.

Why? Can't you march with him when he opposes gang violence? The drug problem? Why won't you support him until he meets all your demands? Why must you treat him as your enemy?

Why should he respect you, when you refuse to do anything unless he meets your conditions? When you already write him off, without a care in the world?

I don't see a whole lot of leaders within that community screaming from the mountain top "stop the violence, this is unacceptable, you will NOT get 72 virgins, you will go to hell for killing civilians, what you are doing is WRONG"

Have you called CAIR and asked?

I don't imagine you're on their mailing list, but I'm sure they can add you.

If both American Muslims and Middle Eastern nations would like to avoid WWIII, they need to start doing that, and loudly. The perception, right or wrong, is that secretly they DO want WWIII as the next holy war. What happened this week in Brussles is a good example of what should be followed by loud, continous, and harsh condemnations from Muslim leaders around the world, telling their followers that this is not acceptable and must stop, and to please report on your fellow Muslims who are thinking of doing this.

Re:What I'd expect now from the muslim world by hey! · 2015-01-09 08:51 · Score: 1 · on In Paris, Terrorists Kill 2 More, Take At Least 7 Hostages

The LEAST I now expect is for the relevant Muslim leaders to condemn that shit. To declare a fatwa that such behavior is un-Islam and that it is against Islam teachings.

You mean like this one (text available here)? Or this one? Or this one? Or this one?

The problem is that people who demand Muslims condemn violence actually don't care what Muslims have to say. It's just posturing.

Re:How about silence? by mr100percent · 2008-02-03 08:02 · Score: 1 · on Pope Denounces Some Biotech as Affront to 'Human Dignity'

If the majority was silent or ambivalent, you would have had a point. Fortunately, Muslims HAVE done condemned terrorism.
Muslims Condemn Terrorist Acts
CAIR Condemns suicide bombing
Scholars of Islam condemn 9/11
American Muslims conduct anti-terror campaigns (600,000 petition signatures)

Re:How about silence? by mr100percent · 2008-02-03 08:02 · Score: 1 · on Pope Denounces Some Biotech as Affront to 'Human Dignity'

If the majority was silent or ambivalent, you would have had a point. Fortunately, Muslims HAVE done condemned terrorism.
Muslims Condemn Terrorist Acts
CAIR Condemns suicide bombing
Scholars of Islam condemn 9/11
American Muslims conduct anti-terror campaigns (600,000 petition signatures)

Re:First post..... by mr100percent · 2007-04-30 19:33 · Score: 1 · on New Australian Laws To Censor Terror DVDs

According to those figures, Christians are discussed (and based upon the first pages of results, slammed) at a rate of 390% that of Muslims Look at it another way, Muslims are 5% of the population in America, but get the brunt of more than a third of the criticism against religion.

I am sure that Muslims do feel disgust over them. However, why aren't they speaking out against them (you being an exception). We are, and if you read muslim blogs, Arabic news (what about dubbed?), or even english ones, you'll see there's plenty. It's not our fault that we don't get headlines instead of Anna Nicole Smith, even though there were full-page ads in major newspapers signed by Muslim leaders condemning terrorism. Muslims held worldwide rallies against terrorism and condemned 9/11. We still condemn it every time it happens like last week.

CAIR, the Council for American-Islamic Relations, hosted a petition by Muslims, "Not in the Name of Islam". As of right now, it has over 691,000 signatures of American Muslims and mosques in North America. Even though Muslims have condemned terrorism for decades, Muslim leaders in America tried to get through to the media by publicly making a fatwa against terrorism, which finally got some mention in a few non-Muslim newspapers.

but there was nary a peep about the Madrid nor the London bombings. Were you ASLEEP? Ok, perhaps you don't watch international news or read Muslim newspapers or Muslim blogs or talk to any Muslims on a regular basis, but I still find it hard to believe you didn't even check google for this one. Muslims strongly condemn Madrid blasts. Muslim scholars, countries condemn London Bombings. Australian Muslims condemn terrorist attacks in London

Ayatollahs are Not caliphs, and are only followed by Shi'ites. The most popular Ayatollah is Ali Sistani, who lives in Iraq and disagrees with the Iranian government on their idea of an "Islamic" government. The issue of ayatollahs is basically a red herring, not part of the discussion on a caliph.

I wasn't trying to strawman you, I was sensing a bit of hostility against Islam, like it was getting the blame for the world's problems. If you weren't implying that, then I stand corrected. I don't think Islam has that much of a "hold" on people, the real world problems are caused by the dictatorships like the saudi monarchy, Mubarak of Egypt, Asad of Syria, etc. The radicalism would subside if they weren't so oppressed; compare Muslim countries like Bangladesh and Senegal to an oppressed one like Saudi Arabia.