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In Paris, Terrorists Kill 2 More, Take At Least 7 Hostages
As reported by The Daily Beast, news on the ongoing terror attack (or attacks) in Paris. Chérif and Saïd Kouachi, who are accused of slaughtering 12 in an attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine, have been cornered by hundreds of security officials close to Charles de Gaulle Airport, north of Paris. Officials say they believe the heavily armed brothers are holding one hostage.
Twenty miles south, in the east of the city, at least one gunman is believed to have taken six hostages at a Jewish store. Police suspect that the third gunman is the same man who shot and killed a policewoman on Thursday morning before escaping in a bulletproof vest. Update: 01/09 17:44 GMT by T : And now all three of the gunmen involved in today's hostage taking are dead.
Watch this space for updates.
Update: 01/09 17:15 GMT by T : CNN's story features a stream of updates (and an autoplaying video ad to beware), as does The Telegraph. Latest news is that brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi have been killed by police, but it's unclear whether the same is true of the third hostage-taker.
/. "live" report.
More from the religion of peace and tolerance.
Queue up people bringing up the Holy Crusades and other things that took place a good 300 years ago
The moderate Muslims need to more loudly denouce this shit.
Or the assumption will be they agree with the acts of barbarity done in the name of their god.
This is an obviously important story - available on hundreds of news sites elsewhere.
My question is how this is related to technology ? How is this "news for geeks"?
This is obvious clickbait designed to gather hits for people doing searches for this story.
Next year are we to expect the site to be renamed the "Slashington Post" with the right hand column devoted to sideboob?
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Because nerds are (generally) supportive of nonviolence and tolerance for unpopular ideas to promote intellectual and creative freedom, and these mindless idiot fundamentalist thugs are the enemy of that and will destroy it if they can. Is it clearer now?
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Because Feedom of Speech.
"Watch this space for updates."
If only there were places on the web one could go to watch live streaming coverage of event such as this, or liveblogs. Or a service where small messages containing updates could be broadcast to other users, searchable by special keywords called "hashtags"....
Please help metamoderate.
Looks like the French Police decided to speed up the brothers meeting with Allah! GO FRANCE!
>> Police suspect that the third gunman is the same man who shot and killed a policewoman on Thursday morning before escaping in a bulletproof vest.
So he hopped into a bulletproof vest and rode it away from the scene?
Both brothers are dead and their hostage is freed
before escaping in a bulletproof vest.
because it's rather impressive that one of the terrorists made a makeshift vehicle using only a bulletproof vest.
because nerds should be exposed to the outside world, not just the dim of their monitors?
Really, you could say that about every story. They are published so people will click on them and read them.
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Reported a few minutes ago, all three terrorists are dead.
is that the new "frosty piss" around here??? i mean seriously
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
No one has ever said that gun control prevents all gun violence. That's a ridiculous straw man. On the other hand, France has a significantly lower http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...>homicide rate per capita from firearms over the US. From the chart you can see that the US has a 10 times higher homicide per capita rate. Seems those gun laws are quite effective.
Where is it written that they used a vehicle?
Care to quote anyone who has ever said that gun control prevents ever single instance of gun violence? I've never heard a single gun-control advocate make such a statement. On the other hand, the US has over 10 times the rate of murders per capita from guns as France.
"Watch this space for updates."
Hahaha, updates on Slashdot! You're kidding me.
Probably in a few days we'll see a dupe of this article, with hopefully correct information.
Because you can't spell.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/09/charlie-hebdo-manhunt-kouachi-terrorist-links-live-updates
As of right now.
Go out, and spread the religion by any peaceful means necessary. If your friend won't accept Allah, peacefully flog him in the streets. If someone insults Allah, peacefully remove his head. If a group refuses to convert to Islam, very peacefully bring your guns and bombs and peacefully kill as many of them as you can. If possible, obtain a peaceful nuclear weapon, and detonate it peacefully in their cities. They will be at peace. We bring them PEACE in the name of Allah!
Look where all this talking got us, baby.
Meh... Work computer is restricted to IE9 (i.e., the new IE6 for intranet websites). No spellchecker available. Everything is horribly broken on this web browser.
Conservatives did try to murder the NEA over that!
Because nerds are (generally) supportive of nonviolence and tolerance for unpopular ideas to promote intellectual and creative freedom, and these mindless idiot fundamentalist thugs are the enemy of that and will destroy it if they can. Is it clearer now?
Looking back upon Slashdot history (you know, back when it was News for Nerds), I'd say it's about as clear as fucking mud.
That line you attempt to draw between relevance (Freedom of Speech issue) and Slashdot is practically anorexic, and I can get my usual OMGWTF News from a million other sites online that are in charge of the OMGWTF reporting.
Wanna talk Slashdot with this? How about MI5's move to become an even Bigger Brother with surveillance laws. THAT would be a relevant sub-topic to discuss here, not death tolls and weapons calibers.
In summary, look at the Slashdot of yesteryear before claiming relevance today. No wonder people bitch about how far we've fallen.
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Doesn't matter, does it? Every time there is some mass shooting in the US, someone says it's because the gun laws aren't strict enough even though they rarely obtained the weapon legally.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Those guys have knowledge we needed. Why were they not taken out with some kind of sleep darts instead of lead bullets? Now we'll never know what we could have learned.
Not that they'd know all that much, if dumb enough to kill over a stupid cartoon.
I'm glad karma took the quick route for once. For islamic fundamentalists to die in a kosher store and in a printing press after attacking a magazine. Can't beat that.
...rate of murders per capita from guns ...
Right, because getting bludgeoned or stabbed to death is so much more pleasant. This is what irks me about gungrabbers. You focus on "death by gun" instead of overall death, and you always forget self-defence incidents when guns save lives (including the assailant's life). Compare overall homicide rates, then overall crime rates, then stratify it by income/wealth, then we'll talk.
because nerds should be exposed to the outside world, not just the dim of their monitors?
Unless blissful ignorance was part of the reason you are in fact a nerd.
There is a lot of news out there today for the consuming. Sadly, a good portion of it I try and avoid for my own sanity.
I would imagine I'm not alone in my controls to limit the effects of the real world. It's rather horrid in case you hadn't noticed.
Not according to people who responded to my previous comment in response to the question, who watches sports?
To them, there is no need to be exposed to the outside world. Anything not tech related is worthless is their mantra.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
As usual here, by the time they get a story up on the site; the news is over/changed/useless. Hostage takers are already dead. Nothing to see here folks, move along.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
This is directly related to a story about people who want to censor certain information.
Freedom of speech is as important to geeks as it is to journalists. We design, build and maintain the code and the hardware that journalists use to put out the stories to the public. Back in the print days most people didn't give a crap about what was printed in one country, or even in the next town over. Now we, the computer nerds of the world, have enabled a huge revolution in communication that is affecting entire countries, societies and religions. And we keep creating new ways to share information every day. Control of information, censorship, freedom of speech and the press are hugely intertwined with our nerd lives and livelihoods.
Remember when anti-free-speech advocates tried to censor music lyrics? I do. Remember when they tried to ban many video games? I do. Remember wen they started shooting people who published satirical cartoons? Computer nerds like us are all about moving bits of information around. We thrive on information, data and ideas. It's what we're all about. And these shootings are a direct result of people trying to restrict the free exchange of ideas, which is the foundation of modern society.
Any computer nerd, in fact anyone who appreciates their modern life, should want to know about anyone who is threatening the free flow of information.
I heard some standard issue left wing apologist halfwit on the radio here this morning in the UK trot out the usual "it was society's fault" rubbish. Yeah, because everyone with a fucking grievance grabs an AK-47 and shoots up a magazine don't they love?
Just what the hell does it take to knock some common sense into these bloody liberals??
Good riddens mother fuckers
Time to leave the Muslim faith. Embrace God, or no god.. But time to stop following the path of the lunatic 7th century warlord pedophile butcher.
France: 3.01 gun deaths per 100,000
USA: 10.3 gun deaths per 100,000
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
So according to you, if their gun laws weren't so restrictive they could have had over three times as many deaths!
And before you flip out and call me a "gun grabber" I happen to own about 8 guns. Which admittedly is a ridiculous amount. Though I have grabbed them on occasion.
Hear, hear!!!!!!!!!
Slashdot's geek cred might go up a little if they dedicated some space to sideboob. They are admittedly aiming for the lowest common denominator.
Let's face it, since Taco sold it, it's never been the same. But what are you gonna do? Unless you're prepared to buy Slashdot from the current owners, or make your own competing website, I think this is still the best we've got. The stories are crap, but the comments out there shows me there's still a lot of good people who frequent this place. That's what I come here for.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
Because nerds are (generally) supportive of nonviolence and tolerance for unpopular ideas to promote intellectual and creative freedom, and these mindless idiot fundamentalist thugs are the enemy of that and will destroy it if they can. Is it clearer now?
Looking back upon Slashdot history (you know, back when it was News for Nerds), I'd say it's about as clear as fucking mud.
You're forgetting the rest: News for nerds, stuff that matters. This is stuff that matters. As another example Osama Bin Laden Reported Dead, Body In US Hands got 1,855 comments, the most for any story I've submitted. Stuff that matters is subjective, but obviously a lot of people thought this mattered.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Since you seem to be very knowledgeable on gun laws and event, could you tell us how many school shootings happened in the last 15 years in the US, vs France
Anyone who claims that gun laws will get rid of gun violence is stupid.
Anyone who claims that gun laws will get rid of terrorism is living in a world of their own.
The aim of gun laws is to make it less probable by making it more difficult to get the firearm in the first place, reducing the number of firearms available locally and driving the black market prices up.
Assuming the figures in this page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate) are valid, then someone leaving in the US about 12 times more likely to be intentionally killed (homicide) and 6 times more likely to by killed by accident than someone leaving in France. Let's leave suicide aside, it does not really matters (e.g. French seems more suicidal than US).
I don't know how you could say that the French law is effective.
Your hope is that less gun control will shift the ratio of good guys vs bad guys because people will be able to defend themselves. Any numbers that shows that such things is happening if you have it your way?
They're coming to take me away, ha ha!
Wrap'em in bacon and pigs' entrails.Hang'em in Muslim ghettos as a message.Put urine soaked Qurans around their necks
US gun death statistics include high-gun-crime, high-minority, areas where guns are as illegal as the city can make them. These areas skew the statistics, and France doesn't have many of them.
If the areas with the gun rights in the USA also had the gun crime you might have had a better point.
Nerds also drive to work in cars, so we should have car news as well. And I don't mean the "self driving Audi A7" type of news, but "Toyota introduces the 2016 Corolla, with redesigned styling and improved economy" type of news.
I mean, we could say "nerds do _____ with ____, thus relevant" for any story really.
as a "bulletproof" vest. Ballistic vests come in different levels: I, II, III, and IIIa. With each level you gain protection against larger, heavier, and faster projectiles. That said, even the highest level of soft armor (IIIA) does not protect against rifles (except where a pistol cartridge is fired from a long gun). To gain protection from rifles you have to add a plate, but that will only cover your most vital organs (lungs and heart) and does not protect against all rifle cartridges.
There are two main gotchyas:
1. The vests and plates only going stop a few projectiles reliably.
2. Even if the shot is "stopped" by the vest/plate, the vast majority still hits you (just spread out a bit more).
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A spell checker won't make you able to spell.
And there are christians around the world killing men for being gay (or just being accused of being gay) and girls killed and mutilated for being "witches".
Religion has FUCK ALL to do with god or reality. Tells you nothing about them. What it DOES tell you about are the people who believe in them.
Really, the only difference between these religious people and the religious people you don't mind are that you don't mind the bollocks that they insist god makes them do for the latter. They both believe in the same damn god, and have the same damn proof that god is there.
Tell me, how do you know that their god DOESN'T want them to do this? And if god DOES, then why the hell are you OK with pissing on god's ideas?
Do you know why they are doing this? Every godbotherer and their apologist makes the (socially accepted but dangerous) claim that all you need to do is BELIEVE and that's enough proof for anyone that you're right. You can look at ALL religion as merely the gateway drug to fundamentalist murdering scum like these blokes. Godbotherers enable them, give them all the reason they want. Better, these godbotherers get so pissed off at people telling them they're wrong that they successfuly make it appear that merely by disagreeing with them, you are persecuting them and thereby PROVE that those against them are evil subhumans working for satan (or whoever) and that this PROVES that their religious requirements ARE TRUE.
EVERYTHING those people do are because society makes it acceptable to believe in anything, no matter how unproven, and that anyone gainsaying it are bad people, therefore proving the religious people are "good people".
Send a message to their 7th-century brethren:
"You do this, you rot in hell for all eternity."
Wanna be a murderous religious whack job? We'll use that against you.
Maybe - just maybe - doing things like that will drag Islam into the 21st century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christian_terrorism&oldid=641483564
Of course, most of the victims are non WASP or the countries are non-western, so they don't count.
And of course the terrorists are not real Christians, so they don't count.
In summary, look at the Slashdot of yesteryear before claiming relevance today.
I guess you missed my UID.
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Because nerds are (generally) supportive of nonviolence and tolerance for unpopular ideas to promote intellectual and creative freedom
Is that why every story about the on-goings in France has been filled with comments denouncing Islam the religion rather than Islamic Extremists? Not just from ACs either, there have been calls to arms from low UID posters as well, plus the usual litany of posts mocking all forms of religious belief.
I don't buy that nerds are any different than the population at large when it comes to tolerance and non-violence.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
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That's one fast vest!
Terrorists are trained by the A-team and Mac Guyver.
Nah, it'll be "The Daily Slash"
A spellchecker will help me catch misspellings.
They seem intent on living in the dark ages, let's make ourselves a great big golf course
France does not even have true freedom of speech.
"Conservatives did try to murder the NEA over that!"
Trying to shut a government agency is attempted murder?
So, does that mean trying to shut down a corporation is attempted murder as well?
(Note, I don't want the NEA shut down, but equating it to murdering a person is ridiculous.)
Conservatives did try to murder the NEA [arts.gov] over that!
Actually, I believe they tried to stop the government from forcing people to pay for having such art made. Some people saw the creation of Piss Christ as being outside the role of the federal government. Crazy, I know.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Cuz () said so!
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Complaining about the irrelevance of stories is a time honored tradition here, along with grammar nazis and tired memes.
Nerds aren't distinctive in that regard; nearly everyone claims that viewpoint, so it's not a nerd thing. (And nerds aren't distinctive in sometimes rationalizing not practicing what they preach, either.) Even the bad guys in this story might have said something like that, along with a mumble about "exceptional circumstances."
I'm with you - kind of - I've imposed a ten-year news/tv/radio blackout upon myself and feel much happier.
I'm going to say that it's the news that's horrid, rather than the real world.
"On tonight's show, everything is great once again - the whole of humanity is living in perfect harmony" doesn't 'sell' nor fuel the war machine.
captcha: unrest
Trolls aside, I do see a lot of people on Slashdot rational enough to separate the Muslim kooks from the mainstream Muslims. It actually is a good thing reading the voice of reason compared to the random rants from other sources just bashing Islam or religion in general or just the same old keyboard warrior stuff, or just euro/French bashing [1].
[1]: Europe maintains their civilization quite well without having to have every citizen feel they have to be armed to the teeth. Even comparing death toll to death toll, what happened in France is less than the amount of people eating lead in an hour in Chicago.
Terrorists are trained by the A-team and Mac Guyver.
Well, given the terrorists died - it's more likely they were trained by MacGruber.
#DeleteChrome
No, the vest was made of Lego.
I guess you missed my UID.
If you want to play the UID game, have a look at mine. I've pretty much been here since day 1. Starting with the Columbine killings and 9/11 terrorist acts that have impacts on society have always been on /.
This is news that matters because if they backwards nutjobs have their way we will all be back herding goats and the only education we will have will come from a really old book of superstition. Yeah, that goes for both Muslim and Christians.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
You can't dismiss it as trolling, I've seen numerous anti-Muslim comments receive up-mods these last few days. And speaking of trolling:
Europe maintains their civilization quite well without having to have every citizen feel they have to be armed to the teeth. Even comparing death toll to death toll, what happened in France is less than the amount of people eating lead in an hour in Chicago
Nice anti-American slam you've got there. As if gun control/RKBA has anything at all to do with the issue at hand.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
> and I can get my usual OMGWTF News from a million other sites online
Please, tell me what other site I can get Slashdot comments from?
...but thank you, France.
Only with *complete* (rather than partial) disregard for spelling.
Nice try.
But when taken in context of the entire speech, its not what you try to twist it into.
The speech was condemning all of the hatred and bigotry.
The relevent section of the speech:
It is time to leave the call of violence and the politics of division behind. On so many issues, we face a choice between the promise of the future, or the prisons of the past. And we cannot afford to get it wrong. We must seize this moment. And America stands ready to work with all who are willing to embrace a better future.
The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt — it must be claimed by those in Tahrir Square who chanted, "Muslims, Christians, we are one." The future must not belong to those who bully women — it must be shaped by girls who go to school, and those who stand for a world where our daughters can live their dreams just like our sons.
The future must not belong to those corrupt few who steal a country's resources — it must be won by the students and entrepreneurs, the workers and business owners who seek a broader prosperity for all people. Those are the women and men that America stands with; theirs is the vision we will support.
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.
Let us condemn incitement against Sufi Muslims and Shiite pilgrims. It's time to heed the words of Gandhi: "Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit." Together, we must work towards a world where we are strengthened by our differences, and not defined by them. That is what America embodies, that's the vision we will support.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-...
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Please, tell me what other site I can get Slashdot comments from?
reddit
*duck*
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
Looking back upon Slashdot history (you know, back when it was News for Nerds ),
Way back then, it used to be Nudes for Nerds
You must be Nude here . . .
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
US --- 2.83 homicides per 100k
FR --- 0.22 homicides per 100k
I'd say it's mission accomplished, or at least better off. Sorry, what was your point exactly? That these highly armored, highly armed individuals would've been stopped dead by citizen vigilantes?
Bye!
So the jihadi terrorists are all dead. Good.
This is what the French government should now do:
(1) Stuff bacon down their throats,
(2) Wash their bodies in pig blood,
(3) Sew their bodies up in uncured pigskins, and
(4) Bury them facedown with their feet pointing towards Mecca
This might reduce the desire of other Muslims to emulate them.
Not news for nerds. Stuff that matters.
Slashdot posted 911, so how exactly is this any different? Oh, because most slashdotters are American, it automatically becomes relevant, whereas when it happens to someone else, "how the fuck is this for nerds"? The truth is, big news specifically regarding military and terrorism usually gets a passing article link through Slashdot, and if you're really that hard done by for it, just skip the post.
Bye!
No, a spellchecker will help you pass your finals at Hogwart's. A spelling checker will help you catch misspellings.</pedant>
Meh, everyone is aware that there are illegal guns, they're used in bank robberies and jewelry store heists and such. But for the average petty thief, robber or burglar they're not worth the cost/risk and apart from hunters during hunting season the risk of running into an armed person is basically zero. And the ones who go postal tend to stab the first one or two persons to death before they can get away, they don't rack up 10+ deaths with a gun. And yes there are less accidental lethal stabbings than gun accidents.
Unless I'm mistaken there were already two "friendly" guns here, the lifeguard and the police officer shot in the street. It doesn't do much against people in body armor with rifles who have the choice of venue and timing, element of surprise and will kill mercilessly. There'll always be soft targets, you can't protect everyone, all the time against an armed assault. Following the "everyone has guns brings peace" should mean there was hardly any gang violence at all, since the other side has guns too you wouldn't attack them right? Right? Doesn't work that way.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
That should be grammar Nazis.
Looking back upon Slashdot history (you know, back when it was News for Nerds), I'd say it's about as clear as fucking mud.
That line you attempt to draw between relevance (Freedom of Speech issue) and Slashdot is practically anorexic.
Having been around here awhile ---
I'd say that "News For Nerds" becomes an issue only when a story takes a geek outside his comfort zone, which seems to shrink a little faster each year. When the talk turns to gender issues in tech, for example, you can see him circling the wagons.
Slashdot will really be in trouble if Natalie Portman ever goes into politics.
The thing to understand, is that Andres Serano did not get a grant to create Piss Christ, he won an award and the show that gave him that award was in part funded by the NEA. That is very different than giving him the money to create Piss Christ, as it is almost always portrayed.
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That's one fast vest!
It must be a hybrid
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
The LEAST I now expect is for the relevant Muslim leaders to condemn that shit. To declare a fatwa that such behavior is un-Islam and that it is against Islam teachings.
Anything less is at the very least acceptance if not support for this behavior. And that should be enough to discuss forbidding a cult that accepts or supports what we in the western world consider the foundation of being able to live together.
And when we're done with that, let's take a closer look at that Westboro Baptist Church and whether we can get rid of those loonies too while we're at it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Not according to people who responded to my previous comment in response to the question, who watches sports? To them, there is no need to be exposed to the outside world. Anything not tech related is worthless is their mantra.
Not everything that is not tech-related is worthless... only sports ;->
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
Dice already had their advertisement for uncommon programming languages that were neither uncommon, nor were they programming languages.
It's easy to spread peace by making people who disagree dead people. I sure don't need an imaginary friend to know that.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
That is wrong. US gun statistics include accidents and suicides (which account for over half) while France only counts murders.
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Complaining about the irrelevance of stories is a time honored tradition here, along with grammar nazis and tired memes.
CowboyNeal has the power to declare things Unconstitutional? And here I thought he was just a joke entry on surveys.
I wonder how many posts each of those would have if you removed all the ones complaining about the irrelevance of the story.
Conservatives did try to murder the NEA [arts.gov] over that!
Actually, I believe they tried to stop the government from forcing people to pay for having such art made. Some people saw the creation of Piss Christ as being outside the role of the federal government. Crazy, I know.
The Government / NEA doesn't (usually) commission specific pieces of art, but rather gives grants to artists so they may pursue their craft (with some measure of freedom of expression). If we limit grants to only those artists that produce art pleasing to everyone, that offends no one, or simply placates the common denominator, than what does that gain us as a society?
The Government funds a lot of things that offend *someone* - my mother thinks grants that study oceanic algae blooms are a waste of money, despite the fact that about 70-80% of the world's oxygen comes from marine algae.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Jeez, I'd really like to meet this Cmdrtaco guy who carried out the strike on Iraq, arrested Saddam Hussein and won the presidency for Obama!
First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. -Gandhi
Thanks for submitting this, Ms Hudson, I've just learned from your well linked /. item that the killers are dead, as they need to be. This is "stuff that matters" in our modern world. Innocent people were slaughtered like cattle by these a**holes, real men tracked and stopped them, and here we have idiotic AC's here whining from the safe cover of their mom's basements.
Straw men, you say? Then what's the comparison between overall homicide rates instead of firearm homicide rates? Or do you personally prefer to die a violent death by non-gun means?
The Government funds a lot of things that offend *someone* - my mother thinks grants that study oceanic algae blooms...
Do you consider a grant to study algae blooms to be a form of politicized artistic expression? No? Apples/Oranges.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
You sure about that? A few minutes with Google implies that Texas has more gun deaths per capita than New York, which seems to completely contradict your point. Actually, I see more pro-gun states in the top 10 than anti-gun states.
Actually, the strongest indicator (in my completely unscientific glance) is poverty, not gun laws. But hey, you can keep on blaming minorities, cities, and gun-control. And I suspect you will.
Kevin
Don't you know? Death by gun is less dead than death by anything else.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Oh, calms areas have no crime but they have guns, clearly we just need to give everyone guns so they all become calm...
moron
isn't it hilarious how MI-5 says these attacks show why they need even more super powers... yet forget the fact they had these guys on watch lists for years. I mean, even Santa checks the list twice, right?
OOH, I'm sure a story about cheap SSD's will come up soon, go waste your post there.
Really? I thought it was more dead? The least dead is drunk driving, or getting killed by a criminal who "was just turning his life around".
Except now someone will call them martyrs, instead of just murderers.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Go and say something about Jewish people and see what your free speech gets you (antisemitism) - yeah but that's because of the holocaust right? it doesn't whats happened since then....
Well, it is news. And as a nerd, I am also curious what other nerds think of the matter. The one thing I don't get from other news outlets is a bunch of comments from my fellow nerdy types on what they think of matters in the world. I'm curious how it benefits Slashdot or your fellow nerds to complain about a story showing up here. Surely you'd be better off just not commenting and letting a story die. If you really hate seeing these stories, a complete lack of response would serve better to deter more of them.
But personally, I like to see these here because the commenting is higher quality (the bar isn't very high) than other outlets. Nerds aren't only interested in computers.
Murder rates per 100,000 per year (2012):
France: 1.0
USA : 4.7
Looks like France is doing something right in the overall department too.
We do. How many non-technical Tesla stories have been posted here now?
The Last Temptation, on the other hand...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Hey if it is good enough for the US then it must be good enough for the Islamic extremists.
The Government funds a lot of things that offend *someone* - my mother thinks grants that study oceanic algae blooms...
Do you consider a grant to study algae blooms to be a form of politicized artistic expression? No? Apples/Oranges.
No, duh, don't be an obtuse little dick. Government funding is Government funding. Some people object to it funding art, some science, etc... Political and religious beliefs are often the root cause of their objections, but we are a nation of *all* the people and, if the Government offers grants - for whatever purpose - and since the First Amendment exists, then those political and religious beliefs should not be a part of the grant consideration process.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
He said fast
They like young girls as brides. So does the old testament. Guess they aren't a faggot pro-feminist SJW like you are.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/...
fucking post that DOES NOT below on SLASHDOT!
Egypt's president called for a religious revolution against extremism.
Now we'll see if others start echoing this...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Please ignore my reply to you, I jumped the gun and didn't realize that the first line was a quote from the parent, stressed out day for me. :^/
But they have freedom fries!
http://www.acetonestudio.com
whoosh
That's one fast vest!
He said fast
Woosh?
You see "hybrid" means a cross between two things, and the whole "he escaped in a vest" statement.... ah you know what, nevermind.
:-)
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
I imagine there were real women involved in the tracking and shootout both from the police side and the victim side.
Perhaps this article falls more under the "stuff that matters" category.
Not that it matters. Every article always has at least one reader who thinks it doesn't belong on slashdot.
I'd vote for her :D
<pedant> It is correctly referred to as Spell Checker in modern English. Your attempt at pedantry is in error. Remember: popular use, not logical consistence, defines the rules of the English language, whether pedants like that or not.</pedant>
A nice list and all, but I will repost my reply that I made to the article itself in disqus
Letter To Iran
You missed at least one point I made. Try rereading.
E-Peen! AWAYYYYYYYYY!
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
The remainder of the 21st century will be the struggle for freedom, especially freedom of thought, between the West and the forces of religious obscurantism represented in their most despicable and abhorrent fashion by fundamentalist, militant Islam.
"Peace through tyranny!"
-Megatron
It is unfortunate that religion is being used to justify violence.
This is not a new story considering the Christians and the Pope sponsored Crusades.
But the difference is that the Christians have mended their ways and these folks are still in the dark ages.
To be a part of the civilized world, the Muslim community really needs a Reformation.
This sound logic from infidels presented with humor is what these cartoonists represented.
This call to leave the dark ages was seen as an insult requiring a violent response.
Given this, it would seem that the only civilized hope is for the moderate Muslim community to deal with it.
Hopefully this will happen.
If it does not, then the only conclusion to draw is that Muslims in general are not moderate.
Freedom of religion requires a bargain.
In order to be permitted to exist, each group has to be willing to accept that other faiths (and non-faiths) can also exist.
To say otherwise defies logic.
Just like the Christians before the Reformation, the Muslim community is not holding to this bargain,
The moderate Muslim community must recognize the seriousness of what they are allowing to happen.
They must deal with it.
Their very survival may depend on it.
They're just cunts.
... it's the least Muslim terrorists should expect.
Subjective vs. objective value. Break down for me the objective benefits of art, vs. the objective benefits scientific research.
It seems to me you are the one being obtuse.
Slashdot nerds have no problem using the government to bully people into participating in their grand utopian progressive wet-dreams.
Slashdot posted 9/11. I was here for that. And while yes, I do concede that was an event that shook not just just the US but the entire World to its core and needed to be posted here, not every military/terrorist event since then that made its way to the pages of /. needed to. This was what I was afraid of, and even CmdrTaco had reservations about posting it: http://slashdot.org/story/01/0...">http://slashdot.org/story/01/09/11/1314258/world-trade-towers-and-pentagon-attacked. Most notably his line: "Normally I wouldn't consider posting this on Slashdot, but I'm making an exception this time because I can't get news through any of the conventional websites, and I assume I'm not alone." He had reason to make the post, even given his reservations. Unfortunately, the other editors of /. and even Mr. Taco himself began making more and more posts that weren't necessarily relevant to the geek culture.
Compared to the WTC event which was heard and felt around the world with the loss of 3,000 international lives in a single coordinated terrorist event, this is a minor event that has so far has taken 14 lives (not including the terrorists themselves). Even if these events were happening in the US, I'd still be groaning when this story hit the front page on /. This is already being covered by CNN, MSNBC, Fox News and others out there... I don't need to see it here too. There's plenty of "terrorist/counter-terrorist" activities that would qualify to make the front page here, as they involve the dark side of the tech we work with. There isn't anything here that can link back to this Tech...except for maybe the computers the Satirists used to publish their work...
That should be grammar Nazis.
That should be "grammar Nazis."
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
Yes, I realized afterward I used the male, when surely there were/are brave men and women who risk(ed) their lives to try to protect the public from the mad-"people" in our world.
... the rejection of being a part of a civilized society
Look, no matter if we are talking about the ancient Jewish texts (the Torah) or the Christian texts (the New Testaments) or the Islamic texts (the Koran) they all contain verses which are really despicable
The difference is that many Moslems today are still preferring to stick with and practice those despicable texts from their Koran, rather than choosing to live like civilized human beings with civilized mindset ; Whilst most of the Jews and the Christians have opted to become civilized
Even among many of those so-called 'moderate Moslems', they too secretly harbor the same sentiment that the Moslems are 'more superior" than the infidels; That the only useful value of the infidels is to become slaves for them, the superior Moslems
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
The Government / NEA doesn't (usually) commission specific pieces of art, but rather gives grants to artists so they may pursue their craft (with some measure of freedom of expression). If we limit grants to only those artists that produce art pleasing to everyone, that offends no one, or simply placates the common denominator, than what does that gain us as a society?
I think the obvious solution is don't do it at all. Then people can status signal with their own money.
Inequality stats (CIA Gini score) also give the US a score of 45 (worse) and France 32 (better). I bet if we plot murder (and crime) rates vs Gini (admittedly an imperfect score), we will also see a correlation.
Pew research shows that approval of terrorist goals (and sometimes terrorist means) is not a fringe in the Muslim world:
You can objectively argue that government shouldn't have any financial role in assisting the creation of art (in which case there are a LOT more areas where funding needs to be cut including university funding) or you accept that government has a role in funding the creation of art but no say in what art is created.
Government in this country is specifically prevented from having a say in free speech which includes art so if government funds it they don't get a say in the result.
The speech was condemning all of the hatred and bigotry.
And painting it with such a wide bush that it also condemned Charlie Hebdo. You know that Charlie Hebdo made fun of everyone, right? Including Christians and Jews? So when Obama says:
The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated...
He's condemning Charlie Hebdo because they also desecrate the image of Jesus Christ. They had a cover where Jesus is literally having anal sex with God the Father.
Face it, "free speech" and "Obama" don't mix. There's a reason he had the IRS investigate conservative political groups.
Still zero murders. Non-zero attempted murders I guess. So Islamic nutters are more competent than christian nutters?
He said fast
It was a Tesla vest.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
So, it's back to fearful, knee-jerk responses to any kind of gun control suggestion?
Something like 90% of americans, including gun owners, would like to see background checks put into place.
This does NOT mean you can't have your arsenal and it certainly doesn't mean anyone wants to take something from you.
The police officer was unarmed.
Otherwise, excellent job of just making shit up.
Oh, and you know where gang violence is at its worst in America? Check out those places with extremely liberal gun laws--Detroit, LA, New York, et al.
Are apparently all lawyers (NOT theologians), mostly Democrats (some were delegates to the Democrat convention that nominated Bill Clinton), mostly related (by blood or marriage) appear to be using the "church thing" as a clever legal protection (it's not like they have a congregation of lots of people from their community who are NOT all relatives), and might well be pro-gay but doing the "false flag" routine; they never seem to protest at places where large numbers of gays would be confronted, but rather seem to prefer to bait people into attacking them by protesting at completely unrelated places where they think some "redneck" might throw a punch and give them a chance to sue (like funerals for fallen soldiers). Their "protests" have NEVER infuenced anybody to be anything other than MORE tolerant of gays. They have quite a history of suing people for violations of their rights and probably get their funding that way.
Subjective vs. objective value. Break down for me the objective benefits of art, vs. the objective benefits scientific research. It seems to me you are the one being obtuse.
Anything can have objective or subjective value (and/or measures of each) given the appropriate circumstances or frame of thinking and each type of value can be beneficial to the other. In other words, it's not a black/white issue, but many shades of gray.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Does anybody ever think about what it would be like with all those virgins for eternity? They'd STAY virgins because sex is impossible in the after life as defined in the religion. So that is a lot of women to exist with for a long time with zero sex. Also no food or child raising either. So they have no use except as companions for eternity. Just think about some fundamentalist with 72 women who serve no purpose except to talk with... something they are not all that keen women do in the 1st place. You'd be lucky to enjoy the company of just 1 for an eternity.
For some reason after a Christian zealot beheaded his roommate in Stillwater, I never heard my pastor denouce that kind of violence perpeuated in Christianity's name.
I'm guessing your pastor will denounce that kind of violence if he learns significant amount of his congregation thought killing a man for practicing witchcraft was acceptable.
Why does it have to be his own congregation? There are plenty of Christians promoting the killing of child "witches" right now. If we demand Muslims speak up about other Muslims, it's only logical to expect the same of Christians. But we (within the Christian culture) don't, because we're expected to be able to see the difference between Christian lunatics, and the garden variety. We demand this of others because:ignorance. The fact is, all peoples have used, and continue to use, their scriptures to justify evil deeds. Christians like to forget their own not-so-distant past, and ignore their more radical contemporary adherents.
-- sudon't
Air-ride Equipped
Religion and Peace are like polar opposites when you look at the grand picture throughout history.
Do you have a reading comprehension issue? We are talking about ISLAM, not other religions which do not go around killing people for being offended.
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
"moderate Muslims" are like "Ted Kennedy" Catholics ... they're NOT "moderate" they are simply non-practicing.
The problem is that, unlike Christianity or Judaism, their "Holy" writings contain explicit instructions from God, via their "perfect" prophet ordering them to subjugate and kill aybody who is non-Muslim and refuses to convert to Islam (with the exception that "people of The Book" AKA Jews and Christians MAY be permitted to live if they agree to live as 2nd class citizens and pay a special tax). Their writings also demand that anybody who leaves their religion must be killed - and since these writing are from Mohammad, whom they declare a perfect man and spokesman for God, these commands are from God and thus cannot be "reformed" or countermanded, or "re-interpreted" to mean something dripping with less blood.
The Bible, unlike the Koran, only contains violence in four distinct types: [1] accounts of past historical violence, [2] instructions to certain people at certain times and places in the distant past do commit specific acts (generally involving acient Hebrew wars) [3] predictions of future violent events (absent ANY encouragement to try to cause them), and [4] Old Testament severe punishments for various offenses (which Jesus taught Christians to see as God's teaching about how severe those offenses were BUT that that no sinner (and we're all sinners) was justified in inflicting them on another sinner). Much of the Koran's vioolence is in the form of general instructions to kill non believers any where and at any time
"And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers." - Qur'an 2:191
"The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."" - Sahih Bukhari Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177
Christianity was able to have a "reformation" precisely because devout Christians could go to their fellow Christians and say "look here! that bad stuff you are doing is AGAINST the scriptures you claim to be following." Such a "reformation" is not possible for Islam, because the mis-named "radicals" and "extremists" cna point to their scriptures and prove that THEY are the ones being faithful and the so-called moderates are the real radicals who are NOT following the religion.
Good gracious, to what depths have we sunk?
The phrase "That should be grammar Nazis." is an incomplete clause. Our readership is scandalized, and I rebuke you in the strongest possible terms, madam or sir.
WTF? Everything is socially constructed?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Nancy Pelosi advertizing that she's a Catholic and then working to support abortion and gay marriage. She's not setting the agenda of the pope and the cardinals.... she's just a bad catholic. She can denounce the Catholic position on abortion or gay marriage all she wants, but it has NOTHING to do with what any ACTUAL Catholic believes and does.
Though I think a few points for the Hogwarts joke is in order.
So you think art has no objective benefits? Back to your cave, Neanderthal!
Facts have a known liberal bias.
People do commit violence and terrorist acts in the name of Jesus Christ. The KKK is a notable example of this.
Here are just a few recent examples of terrorist acts committed by Christians for religious reasons that I was able to find with very little research:
Sabra and Shatila massacre
Maronite Christian militias perpetrated the Karantina and Tel al-Zaatar massacres of Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims during Lebanon's 1975–1990 civil war. The 1982 Sabra and Shatila massacre, which targeted unarmed Palestinian refugees for rape and murder, was considered to be genocide by the United Nations General Assembly.[44] A British photographer present during the incident said that "People who committed the acts of murder that I saw that day were wearing [crucifixes] and were calling themselves Christians."[45] After the end of the civil war, Christian militias refused to disband, concentrating in the Israeli-occupied south of the country, where they terrorized Muslim and Druze villages and forcefully recruited men and boys from those communities into their groups.[46]
Utøya Island killings
In July 2011, Anders Behring Breivik was arrested and charged with terrorism after a car bombing in Oslo and a mass shooting on Utøya island that killed 77 people. Hours prior to the events, Breivik released a 1,500-page manifesto detailing his beliefs that immigrants were undermining Norway's traditional Christian values, and identifying himself as a "Christian crusader" while describing himself as not very religious.[73][74] Although initial news reports described him as a Christian fundamentalist,[75][76] subsequent analyses of his motivations have noted that he did not only display Christian terrorist inclinations, but also had non-religious, right-wing beliefs.[77][78] Mark Juergensmeyer and John Mark Reynolds have stated that the events were Christian terrorism,[79][80] whereas Brad Hirschfield has rejected the Christian terrorist label.[81]
Lord's Resistance Army
The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult and guerrilla army, was engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in 2005. It has been accused of using child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves.[82] A quasi-religious movement that mixes some aspects of Christian beliefs with its own brand of spiritualism,[83][84] it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the "Holy Spirit" which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations.[85][85][86][87] LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle.[83][88][89][90][91][92]
Christian Identity and anti-abortion killings
After 1981, members of groups such as the Army of God began attacking abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[93][94][95] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by Bruce Hoffman to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[96] A group called Concerned Christians was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven".[97][98]
The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on 31 May 2009 was the belief that abortion is not only immoral, but also a form of murder under "God's law", irrespective of "man's law" in any country, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.[99][100] The group supporting Roeder proclaimed that any force is "legitimate to protect the life of an unborn child", and called on all Christians to "rise up" and "take action" against threats to Christianity and to unborn life.[101] Eric Robert Rud
The very first day of /.'s existence I was here
I didn't think much of it back then, after all, the whole 'website' thing was still new and everyone were still screaming 'cyber this' or 'e-that' or 'i-whatever' and that guy from the Greatful Dead had just posted his famous 'cybernation' declaration, and I was looking for new services where I can get free email addresses (remember usa.net or military.net?)
... but I kept coming back
Only after 5 weeks or so I told myself, "What the hell, just register"
... the rest, as they say, is history
decided to register
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
"Unless I'm mistaken there were already two "friendly" guns here, the lifeguard and the police officer shot in the street. It doesn't do much against people in body armor with rifles who have the choice of venue and timing, element of surprise and will kill mercilessly. There'll always be soft targets, you can't protect everyone, all the time against an armed assault. Following the "everyone has guns brings peace" should mean there was hardly any gang violence at all, since the other side has guns too you wouldn't attack them right? Right? Doesn't work that way."
This. It terrifies me how gun advocates always envisage these active shooter scenarios where average Joe with a handgun is going to get into this Hollywood-esque gun battle against gunmen armed with automatic rifles and armor and the good guys live, the bad guys die, and no bystanders are hurt by stray gun fire.
Something like 90% of americans, including gun owners, would like to see background checks put into place.
This does NOT mean you can't have your arsenal and it certainly doesn't mean anyone wants to take something from you.
Background checks are already in place. National Instant Check System is queried every time a purchase is made.
What is not desired is a feel-good infringement of self-defence and property rights that ends up increasing the crime and death rates.
In Soviet Russua, the meme tires of you...
Michael J. Ryan - tracker1.info
You know, I wouldn't have believed it unless I'd seen it with my own eyes - an AC quote mining!
But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated
Yeah, let's see Obama do that. Although pointing out hypocrisy in politicians is mundane.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
A Tesla vest? No wonder the guy survived- it was made by Ironman!
The absolute fastest (PCP) still takes 10â"30 seconds to kick in.
How many hostages can you kill in 10â"30 seconds, if you have an AK-47 in your hands?
That should be grammar Nazis.
Remember the recent nerd rage on "starivores"? You should not mix languages within technical terms. Since "Nazi" is a German word (short for "Nationalsozialist" - which is funny because the "nati" part is already pronounced as "na-tsi"), the term you're looking for is "Grammatiknazi".
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
Reddit comments are exactly of OMGWTF kind.
May Peace Prevail On Earth
Because the 72 virgins for the terr'rists in heaven aren't what they expected.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
More from the religion of peace and tolerance.
The problem is not the religion, it's the crazy people who act as if their religion is actually true. Half the world (Christians, Muslims, and Jews) are followers of the God of Abraham, who throughout His early existence as a war god reveled in things that would absolutely disgust most of His current followers. However, most of His followers have learned that, for various reasons, God actually would rather you ignore some of His previous commands that are especially disgusting or inconvenient. This is even true of terrorists -- most terrorism is done for non-religious reasons.
And then if you look at the numbers, you find for example that more terrorist attacks on the US are done by Jewish extremists than by Muslims. And way more than both by Latinos upset about Puerto Rico or Cuba. However, we have peaceful relations with Israel and most Latino countries, as opposed to oil-bearing countries in the Middle East which we have been, are, and will continue to meddle with in the future and conveniently happen to have a different religion. We need more soldiers to defend us against the evil Muslims. We have always been at war with Eurasia.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
So you think art has no objective benefits? Back to your cave, Neanderthal!
Well, since you seem to believe that art has "objective benefits", please list them for us. I'm sure you will be able to rattle off an "objective" list of benefits in no time. I'm waiting.
Government funding is Government funding.
No, it's not.
Government funding that's in keeping with the constitutionally defined role of the government is appropriate. Taking tax money and spending it on one artist's political statements so that the administration choosing to spend that money can use your money (if you actually pay taxes) and the power of government to amplify that artist's politics is not appropriate, and certainly not "the same."
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
This is not terrorism. Killing journalists for their opinion is a political murder. Only the method is new: it is gangster-like approach to murdering.
http://news.sky.com/video/1404...
I don't remember CmdrTaco's strike on Iraq either, but it's there so it happened.
I'm glad karma took the quick route for once. For islamic fundamentalists to die in a kosher store and in a printing press after attacking a magazine. Can't beat that. Free download full version software&game click to this link: http://softwarescollectionawes...
Almost all guns used in mass shootings in the US were obtained legally. Adam Lanza's mom bought them legally. If they were illegal for his mom to own, would he have still had access to guns to shoot up the school?
Learn to love Alaska
Oh, and the US has a higher suicide rate than Foxconn. And guns are good for that. Why do we count suicides inconsistently?
Learn to love Alaska
Because now the fight for a free and open internet is truly lost forever. Anyone promoting freedom of speech online will be seen as siding with the terrorists. It's over.
This was a satirical paper, I think we should more jokes. So here goes my attempt...
Muhammed and Allah walk into the office of a satirical magazine, with their kalashnikovs.
After they're done shooting, Muhammad says to Allah: 'I bet our faces will be all over the papers tomorrow!'
Also, the root cause of it all is geopolitics, religion being a good excuse for brainwashing.
I see lots of good points in this thread as well as fairly typical amounts of invective. And, because of some clever writing, it's occasionally hard to distinguish between the two.
Perhaps I missed it in the flood of back-and-forth, but I haven't seen a reference to the relative ages of Christianity and Islam. Isn't it about five hundred years? So, maybe we might consider how the Catholic Church behaved toward dissent and scientific thought during the (CE) fifteen hundreds... The terms "horrific" and "barbaric" come to mind.
I don't condone or try to justify violence then or now, but I do find it interesting that we are quick to argue about what we see today while we tend to ignore historical patterns.
You are completely correct. In Sharia, 'slander' of Muslims does not mean telling falsehoods (as it does in the West), it means 'anything a Muslims doesn't want to hear' - especially from a 'kafir which is translated as infidel but is a pejorative closer to 'n*gger'. Non-Muslims are considered subhuman by Sharia.
Major Stephen Coughlin lays the truth about Sharia (Islamic Law) out for you:
Stephen Coughlin, Part 2: Understanding the War on Terror Through Islamic Law [58 mins]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Islamicists do not want you to know the truth about Islamic law, and they are obliged to lie to you it if advances Islam (there are for types of deception Islam commands: taqiyya, kitman, tawriya and muruna):
http://www.annaqed.com/en/isla...
http://www.islam-watch.org/aut...
When a Muslim cleric denounces "terrorism and killing of innocents" this is also a deception. Under Sharia, unlawful warfare is anyone who resists jihad. Our counter-terror forces and militaries are thus considered "terrorists" according to Sharia. Similarly, under Sharia "innocents" are Muslims *only*. Non-Muslims can never be innocent, their existence and disbelief is an affront to Allah (who is the Nabatean chief god Dushara).
So when a Muslim cleric condemns "terrorism and killing of innocents" they are condemning the West for killing Muslims and jihadis. They are using the "kitman" deception that Islam obliges them to.
In order to condemn the Charlie Hebdo attacks a Muslim cleric would have to use the words "we condemn jihadis and the killing of all civilians". But they do not - because they agree with the jihadis, as Islamic scripture requires them to.
The precedent for slaughtering the critics of Islamic evil comes from evil Mohammed himself, who ordered many assassinations of his critics:
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/...
Of course, all of the claims of Islam are false. Historical evidence is emerging that PROVES the claims made about the origins of Islam are all completely false:
" An Historical Critique of Islam's Beginnings - Jay Smith " [72 mins]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Muslims who know about this scholarship want to suppress it - they are afraid of how the truth with cause their superstition to disintegrate and stop the global jihad in its tracks.
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/...
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