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Re:Hehe
Not quite true, apparently, although they are getting close. However, worldwide, Tesla's stales are only a few percent of BMW's. And unlike Tesla, BMW consistently manages to make a profit from those sales.
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Re:Self-contradictory numbers
If Camry outsold the Equinox (290,000) by 100,000, then 390,000 Camrys were sold, more than the CR-V (378,000), ranked #6. But Camry is not one of the top six listed. If the basic facts are wrong, why should I believe the conclusions in this article?
I think the author mixed sales numbers for the full year 2017 with a list of top sellers for the first half of 2018.
I found a page that has 2017's top sellers as
1. Ford F-Series 896,764
2. Chevy Silverado 585,864
3. Ram Truck 500,723
4. Toyota RAV4 407,594
5. Nissan Rogue 403,465
6. Toyota Camry 387,081
7. Honda CR-V 377,895
8. Honda Civic 377,286
9. Toyota Corolla 329,196
10. Honda Accord 322,655
11. Ford Escape 308,296
12. Chevy Equinox 290,458Those numbers match the ones on http://carsalesbase.com/us-car..., cited as the source of numbers in the article.
According to that list, the "leading American SUV" is the Ford Escape (not the Chevy Equinox). In 2017 Ford (not Chevy) sold 79,000 (not 100,000) fewer than Toyota sold Camrys. To me, that doesn't change the gist of the article. Ford and GM are dropping cars from their lineups to focus on more profitable trucks and SUVs, while Toyota and Honda are still selling plenty of cars, while the Nissan Rogue, Toyota RAV4, and Honda CR-V are handily outselling Ford Escape and Chevy Equinox.
Next time the price of gas goes up it'll be bailout time once more for Detroit.
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Re: The capitalist solution?
Tesla's best selling month (23,175 in August 2018) was only slightly better than Mercedes' worst month in the past four years (22,955 in July 2018). So far in 2018, Mercedes has sold ~220,000 cars in the US, compared with ~85,000. And Tesla hasn't outsold Mercedes in a single month.
Tesla has its production numbers going in the right direction, but it's not yet clear that they can sustain that level of production, nor that they can survive with the amount of debt the are carrying. -
Re: The capitalist solution?
Tesla's best selling month (23,175 in August 2018) was only slightly better than Mercedes' worst month in the past four years (22,955 in July 2018). So far in 2018, Mercedes has sold ~220,000 cars in the US, compared with ~85,000. And Tesla hasn't outsold Mercedes in a single month.
Tesla has its production numbers going in the right direction, but it's not yet clear that they can sustain that level of production, nor that they can survive with the amount of debt the are carrying. -
Re:People deride Elon Musk and Tesla...
In August more Model 3 were sold than Altima, Accent, Legacy, Impreza, Sentra, Focus, the Fiats, Chryslers,
....all these "affordable" middle class cars. Of course it also outsold all BMW cars combined, all Lexus cars combined, all MB cars combined,Meanwhile, in the real world, there were more BMWs alone sold in August than there were Tesla cars (of any model):
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car...
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car...Sure, not totally reliable data but substantially better than the ones you provided.
Given BMW and Mercedes alone sell more cars each month than Tesla make in a quarter, I'm feeling confident that you're talking shit.
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Re:People deride Elon Musk and Tesla...
In August more Model 3 were sold than Altima, Accent, Legacy, Impreza, Sentra, Focus, the Fiats, Chryslers,
....all these "affordable" middle class cars. Of course it also outsold all BMW cars combined, all Lexus cars combined, all MB cars combined,Meanwhile, in the real world, there were more BMWs alone sold in August than there were Tesla cars (of any model):
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car...
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car...Sure, not totally reliable data but substantially better than the ones you provided.
Given BMW and Mercedes alone sell more cars each month than Tesla make in a quarter, I'm feeling confident that you're talking shit.
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Re:BeauHD shading the truth again...
PS: Over 12,000 EC180s in the month of May. Tesla has a LONG way to go to catch up to that rate...
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Re:Car makers
Give me a break... I'm not shitting on anything. I'm just pointing out that Teslas accomplishments are nowhere near as game changing as their fanboys would have us believe. Having a huge backlog and bleeding investor dollars is not shitting, they are facts. You seem to think they are irrelevant for some reason. Tesla or not, the industry was headed hybrid and later electric. Tesla may have sped things up a bit, but that was probably based on their over the top predictions for Model 3 deliveries. As far as the power market goes, do you live in Silicon Valley or San Francisco? Maybe powerwalls are ubiquitous there, but the rest of the country still lives in the real world.
Anyway, why this focus on "home market"? The auto industry is global these days. Tesla delivered ~103,000 cars globally in 2017, Porsche delivered ~246,000. That makes both of them niche products in an industry where the top 5 each sell over 1 million cars per QUARTER.
http://carsalesbase.com/global...
P.S. Pathetic little twerps make personal attacks on the internet when their favorite BOUTIQUE car manufacturer gets called out.
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Re:It's not trivial
Hey, let's put or skeptic's hat on. Let's say that Musk is wrong about 5-6k/wk at the end of this quarter. Let's say they only do 4k at the end of this quarter
Hey, let's put or skeptic's hat on. Let's say that Musk is wrong about 5-6k/wk at the end of this quarter. Let's say they only do 1k/wk of all models ever...
Tesla has NEVER made more than ~1k/wk of ALL models, to claim Tesla can make 6k/wk of one model alone is Rei-cocksucker tier shillage isn't it?
Hey wait a minute, your ARE Rei... -
Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates
Not my post, but:
"I know, right! The Model 3 is already the best selling (as in actual deliveries) EV." - Ref
Accura TLX: Pretty close. The TLX had a March sales jump, but with the new 3 production rate, there's no way it'll beat the 3 again.
Mercedes C/CLA: Model 3 sold over 50% more
Audi A4: Closer, but still a solid Model 3 win.
Lexus RC: Over an order of magnitude more Model 3 sales
BMW 2: 3 1/2 times more Model 3s.
BMW 3: Actually the 3-series edged out the Model 3... but it's unlikely to do so again.
BMW 4: Model 3 wins.Why the incredulity? You've been reading too much doom-and-gloom from the Tesla shorts. Model 3 production has rapidly accelerated.
(Note: the GP was clearly talking about the US, so I used US market figures)
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Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates
Not my post, but:
"I know, right! The Model 3 is already the best selling (as in actual deliveries) EV." - Ref
Accura TLX: Pretty close. The TLX had a March sales jump, but with the new 3 production rate, there's no way it'll beat the 3 again.
Mercedes C/CLA: Model 3 sold over 50% more
Audi A4: Closer, but still a solid Model 3 win.
Lexus RC: Over an order of magnitude more Model 3 sales
BMW 2: 3 1/2 times more Model 3s.
BMW 3: Actually the 3-series edged out the Model 3... but it's unlikely to do so again.
BMW 4: Model 3 wins.Why the incredulity? You've been reading too much doom-and-gloom from the Tesla shorts. Model 3 production has rapidly accelerated.
(Note: the GP was clearly talking about the US, so I used US market figures)
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Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates
Not my post, but:
"I know, right! The Model 3 is already the best selling (as in actual deliveries) EV." - Ref
Accura TLX: Pretty close. The TLX had a March sales jump, but with the new 3 production rate, there's no way it'll beat the 3 again.
Mercedes C/CLA: Model 3 sold over 50% more
Audi A4: Closer, but still a solid Model 3 win.
Lexus RC: Over an order of magnitude more Model 3 sales
BMW 2: 3 1/2 times more Model 3s.
BMW 3: Actually the 3-series edged out the Model 3... but it's unlikely to do so again.
BMW 4: Model 3 wins.Why the incredulity? You've been reading too much doom-and-gloom from the Tesla shorts. Model 3 production has rapidly accelerated.
(Note: the GP was clearly talking about the US, so I used US market figures)
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Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates
Not my post, but:
"I know, right! The Model 3 is already the best selling (as in actual deliveries) EV." - Ref
Accura TLX: Pretty close. The TLX had a March sales jump, but with the new 3 production rate, there's no way it'll beat the 3 again.
Mercedes C/CLA: Model 3 sold over 50% more
Audi A4: Closer, but still a solid Model 3 win.
Lexus RC: Over an order of magnitude more Model 3 sales
BMW 2: 3 1/2 times more Model 3s.
BMW 3: Actually the 3-series edged out the Model 3... but it's unlikely to do so again.
BMW 4: Model 3 wins.Why the incredulity? You've been reading too much doom-and-gloom from the Tesla shorts. Model 3 production has rapidly accelerated.
(Note: the GP was clearly talking about the US, so I used US market figures)
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Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates
Not my post, but:
"I know, right! The Model 3 is already the best selling (as in actual deliveries) EV." - Ref
Accura TLX: Pretty close. The TLX had a March sales jump, but with the new 3 production rate, there's no way it'll beat the 3 again.
Mercedes C/CLA: Model 3 sold over 50% more
Audi A4: Closer, but still a solid Model 3 win.
Lexus RC: Over an order of magnitude more Model 3 sales
BMW 2: 3 1/2 times more Model 3s.
BMW 3: Actually the 3-series edged out the Model 3... but it's unlikely to do so again.
BMW 4: Model 3 wins.Why the incredulity? You've been reading too much doom-and-gloom from the Tesla shorts. Model 3 production has rapidly accelerated.
(Note: the GP was clearly talking about the US, so I used US market figures)
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Re:Next - janitorial staffing updates
Not my post, but:
"I know, right! The Model 3 is already the best selling (as in actual deliveries) EV." - Ref
Accura TLX: Pretty close. The TLX had a March sales jump, but with the new 3 production rate, there's no way it'll beat the 3 again.
Mercedes C/CLA: Model 3 sold over 50% more
Audi A4: Closer, but still a solid Model 3 win.
Lexus RC: Over an order of magnitude more Model 3 sales
BMW 2: 3 1/2 times more Model 3s.
BMW 3: Actually the 3-series edged out the Model 3... but it's unlikely to do so again.
BMW 4: Model 3 wins.Why the incredulity? You've been reading too much doom-and-gloom from the Tesla shorts. Model 3 production has rapidly accelerated.
(Note: the GP was clearly talking about the US, so I used US market figures)
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Re: So...
The data in the article is confusing - they talk about a 60,5% drop, yet they show a vastly more than 60,5% drop in their graph. Maybe the graph isn't a complete Q1?
Adding up the 2015 figures, I get around 4600 EVs sold. In the same year in Denmark, 206998 cars were sold total in Denmark, so 2,22% of new vehicle sales were EVs. In the US in 2015, 114248 PEVs were sold, versus 17,5m total, so 0,65%. So even if Denmark's EV sales dropped 60,5%, they'd only just be equaling that of the US.
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Re:Hey GM, how about that EV1?
They manage to outsell a brand that sold 761 cars in all of Europe in 2016? Impressive.