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Windows Vista/7 are already known to be much more secure than MacOS.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/15605/hacker_pwn2own_organizer_windows_7_is_safer_than_snow_leopard

http://www.pcworld.com/article/189760/hacking_impresario_windows_safer_than_mac.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10444561-245.html

What do you mean? Both machines are truing complete. iOS has the same software libraries as MacOS with modified drivers and user interface.

The only reason they can't be a generic device is the DRM apple shoves down your throat.

Considering that it's possible to run the Linux kernel on the devices, allowing you to run any OS based on the Linux kernel inluding Android, I don't see who you can't say it's not a generic PC. It may not be a traditional PC, but the hardware is that of a generic PC as it can run any algorithm (constrained only be time and it's memory) and it can run the actual software libraries, OS's and application that generic PC's do (Perhaps not as fast, but certainly within reason)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yO2KQHkt4A http://www.idroidproject.org/wiki/OpeniBoot http://blogs.computerworld.com/17345/forget_samsungs_tab_run_android_on_your_ipad

My apologies, I did remember incorrectly. However, it is Apple's formal stance that jailbreaking is a violation of copyright law.

Last time I checked, I paid for the device with my money.

(Also, hello again! Was wondering where you were.)

They couldn't have picked a worse company to give it to. Accenture were behind a failed withdrawn system at the London stock exchange based on Windows and .NET.

So if you want to give some Windows project to a company they would be a good choice, but Symbian? RIP Symbian is all I can say.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform

That's what live distros are for, testing.

I understand this. So what's my recourse once I use a live distribution and the test ends up resulting in failure?

HP

Is there another manufacturer with thorough Linux support, preferably one with less expensive consumables? Google linux printer cheap ink pulls up this comment, which claims that Kodak's printers don't work with CUPS on Linux. So HP works with Linux but has expensive ink, while Kodak has more affordable ink but works only with non-free operating systems. Is this a tradeoff that one must accept just because, cheap ink or Linux support, never both, just like indie or local multiplayer, never both?

So your answers are, in no particular order, YouDisagreeWithMeThereforeYou AreATroll along with WorksForMeAtHomeItDoesReally and ImaginaryProblemsKillWindows with a bit of LinuxSupportsMoreHardwareThan Windows when in reality you get ThisIsAKnownProblemNowGetLost and YouAreUsingTheWrongHardware

Isn't it kinda sad that I can answer EVERY SINGLE THING you and the other FOSS zealots here say with TMs? Doesn't it bother you, even just a little? You know why I can do that so easily? It is because you have been spouting the same bullshit so long there are TMs for it and have been for some time. You are like birthers, same shit, different day.

So I suppose those THOUSANDS asking for help on ANY forum, you pick, are ALL trolls? Maybe you want to list them as paid shills? And you STILL haven't posted an answer to Torvalds and his "We don't need no steenkin plans" which is OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH.

Look if you want to dumpster dive, or use old hardware, then Linux works fine on a desktop. On a laptop, which is practically proprietary in a box? You'll spend more time fiddling with bullshit than you will using the thing. Tell me AC, when was the last time you had to go CLI? This week? Today? And I bet you had to go CLI when the last 6 month upgrade death march came out didn't you?

But no, stick your head in the sand, label everyone that points out problems a shill, instead of asking yourself this fundamental econ 101 question: What am I doing wrong, that my competitors are doing right? Because NO B&M stores will touch you, from little shops like mine to big shops like Walmart. Do you think we like paying for Windows? It gives us a warm fuzzy?

Nope the answer is your DRIVER MODEL IS ASS, your kernel is run by a douchebag, with every update TWO things break for every ONE fixed, your DEs seem to be run by Bizzaro "Quick, things am getting stable! Must break things by starting over, will cause much am joy for users!" and stability wise you are MAYBE at Win98. How many program lockups have you had? Freezes? Hangs? After I got away from Linux those things just faded away, like a fart in the wind...

So believe what you want, nobody will be able to refute you, even with evidence that the users don't want you, or that given a choice users run in droves AWAY from you or that OEMs now look at you like the clap or that you have less marketshare than JavaME. Nope, instead just cheer that Linux reached 1% while doing what you do best: Ignoring users, ignoring problems, letting Torvalds Goatse the kernel, and generally acting like asses. Hey, maybe in another 20 years you'll be at 2%!

Change.Org says that for the past several days the Chinese have been DDoSing it over a petition they are posting to gather support for Ai WeiWei.

http://blog.change.org/2011/04/chinese-hackers-attack-change-org-platform-in-reaction-to-ai-weiwei-campaign/

But if you go to the Change.Org site to sign the petition, you get a message saying that something is wrong with their servers, which are at Amazon.

http://www.change.org/petitions/call-for-the-release-of-ai-weiwei

http://status.aws.amazon.com/

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9216064/Amazon_gets_black_eye_from_cloud_outage

Could Amazon's outage be the result of Chinese hackers?

Perhaps they are just rehiring the contract workers these companies shed when the financial crisis hit ? You know, the ones without all the glitzy stock options and employee benefits that you never here about.

Microsoft don't generally have a habit of being a Patent troll

Microsoft claims that free software like Linux, which runs a big chunk of corporate America, violates 235 of its patents.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/index.htm

Why Did Microsoft Sell Off 22 'Linux-Related' Patents?

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Why-Did-Microsoft-Sell-Off-22-LinuxRelated-Patents-618335/

TomTom gets allies in Microsoft Linux patent lawsuit fight

http://blogs.computerworld.com/tomtom_gets_allies_in_microsoft_linux_patent_lawsuit_fight

Microsoft's Linux patent bingo hits Google's Android

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/29/microsoft_htc_linux_patents/

And now that Pulse Audio does work, Ubuntu is ahead of the rest.

Does it make sense to anyone that Ubuntu has adopted a network transparent audio server but is planning on dropping the network aware graphical server?

Because it makes sense. It is a bandwidth problem. Over a network you can easily stream audio without any problem because 2x44.4Hz@16bits = 1.4208 MBits/s. That's less than 2% of a 100Mbit network. Now for the graphics things change, why do you think that the graphic cards are on a a 16x PCI-Express slots (8GBits/s), and still must use a lot of internal RAM to cache textures? Over a network the kind of performance you get for the graphics makes you cringe.

And now that Pulse Audio does work, Ubuntu is ahead of the rest.

Does it make sense to anyone that Ubuntu has adopted a network transparent audio server but is planning on dropping the network aware graphical server?

Your product is a complete and total failure, except in those areas a corporation can fuck you hard (and then you thank them for the surprise buttsex) thanks to the TiVo trick, ala damned near every router and other CCC (Cheapo Chinese Crap) and you are so far behind you actually reach 1% and cheer (and it only took 18 years! Wow!).

Meanwhile consumers run away from your product as fast as they can, and tell you in giant letters DO NOT WANT even on products designed around your strengths, and retailers look at you like the black death thanks to all the returns and broken drivers, oh and your great leader says the kernel isn't designed, it grows like a virus LOL! (Yeah Linus, it would be called an STD) and you know what is amazing and sad?

NEVER, not fucking ONCE, does it enter your tiny little mind to even ask the most basic of econ 101 questions, such as "What is my competitors doing right that I'm doing wrong?" Nope, because that would mean admitting your shit sandwich OF FREEDOM was a festering turd, which BTW? It is. Instead you scream shill or astroturfer, which is your version of nigger or spic, for anyone who doesn't suck down the kool aid and wash it down with a heaping dose of RMS cock slobber.

And the part you'll NEVER believe, because it would shatter your tiny little worldview, hiding in your mom's basement eating your Cheetos and thinking if it wasn't for that evil M$ army the world would embrace your precious shit sandwich like the force you love so much? Well guess what sparky, I'm not a shill NOR an astroturfer, I'm in fact a retailer. You know, that group that you constantly whine would carry your shit sandwiches on their shelves? yeah that bunch. And you know WHY we won't carry your rotting bag o' fail? It isn't a conspiracy BTW, it is because we tried your product and we know your lies are just that, LIES.

I tried for nearly FOUR YEARS to find ONE DSITRO, just one mind you, that wouldn't fall apart like a house of old cards when a fat guy farts, just one that would continue to run consistently after updating. Just one mind you? How many did I find? ZERO.Zilch nada squat bumpkiss. Your driver model is a drawing of a pile of shit with "do it yourself LOL!" written underneath, your idea of having software tied to the kernel is frankly laughable if it wasn't so pathetic, your package managers are just band aids on bullet wounds trying to cover up the dependency hell that hangs over everything you do like the Sword of Damocles, shall I go on? Your lack of a stable ABI, which BTW Apple, MSFT, BSD, Solaris, hell even OS fricking 2 has had for like a decade now, means that shopping for devices that will actually work is a game of "hardware roulette" that is more rigged against the consumer than anything in Vegas...

Hell I could do this all day, but why bother. It is like pushing a retard into traffic. Sure it is easy because they are so fucking stupid, but not much in the way of entertainment value, not when I have dozens of top notch AAA games I could be playing, or Netflix, or WMC, or hell washing my socks would be more entertaining than dealing with a FOSSie. BTW do us both a favor before you open your cake hole and check on Linux TM Repo before you chime in, as the horseshit you and the other FOSSies spew has been done so damned many times TM repo actually has all your bullet points down as TMs. Hell I bet whatever you come back with I can match one for one with TMs, such as WorksFo

Hey how is those latest graphics cards working? or those thousands of devices sold in the B&M stores? oh right, they don't. Look I have NO problem with Linux in the server role in fact I use it that way all the time. The reason it works as a server is because millions of dollars and man hours have been spent making it rock solid and making sure it just works. Also OEMs have likewise spent millions (which they wouldn't have had to if Linus wasn't a douche and would allow a hardware ABI which everyone else has had FOR OVER A DECADE) to make sure drivers are solid and stable.

What I DO have a problem with is dipshits like you that think you can take a server OS and stuff it onto a desktop and then think because YOU were able to surf the mounds of Man pages, the piles of Howtos and readmes and other bullshit, that suddenly that makes it ready for the masses. Well to quote Mel Brooks bullshit bullshit AND bullshit. There is a damned good reason why XP stomped Linux on netbooks, even though netbooks were designed around the strengths of Linux and that is because your entire driver model is shit. I repeat your driver model? Poo, crap, shite, runny nasty festering turd o' fail.

There is also a good reason why Linux TMs exist, read them if you dare, because unlike normal people who find they have a problem who...oh whats the word?...oh yeah FIX IT...FOSSies (or as they call them on Linux TM Freetards) will make up the same stock excuses such as "worksforme" or "Linux supportsmorehardware" and trot this bullshit out so many times I can cover a good 90% of any conversation with a FOSSie with nothing but TMs.

So if you don't want to stay in dead last forever, ask yourself THIS question"What are the others doing right that I'm doing wrong?" because when you can't even update Dell Ubuntu machines using the standard repos because it breaks half the hardware you should know your shit is shit and needs serious work. but go ahead, lay some TMs on me. It'll be like buzzword bingo, I'll match a TM to every thing you counter. Because that is what your arguments will be, hot air and bullshit.

So why doesn't Japan already have radiation hardened robots? They have a good number of nuclear power plants, an advanced robotics industry, why the hell didn't the Japanese build any of this type of robot?

This is the second shipment of US robots to go over.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9215346/U.S._to_send_radiation_hardened_robots_to_Japan?taxonomyId=12

Bullshit

Or maybe your an astroturfer, since these are you only two comments.

The HBGary software has been heavily used on Slashdot.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/17852/army_of_fake_social_media_friends_to_promote_propaganda

From http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9209580/Apple_s_new_App_Store_rules_affect_Amazon_s_Kindle

"Apple does require that if a publisher chooses to sell a digital subscription separately outside of the app, that same subscription offer must be made available, at the same price or less, to customers who wish to subscribe from within the app," Apple's statement read.
"Apple processes all payments, keeping the same 30% share that it does today for other In-App Purchases," the company said.

Later Tuesday, Apple spokeswoman Trudy Muller confirmed that those rules apply not only to newspaper and magazine publishers, but also to content sellers like Amazon.com, which offers a Kindle app for the iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad.

So now Apple will demand 30% of your internet and cable bill or pull this App?

Which phones out there get vendor supplied updates after 3 years? Certainly not any that I've ever owned.

My company got me a Droid Eris (I had no choice). 6 months later, no update to Android 2.2. (Maybe 8. Whatever)

I'm not sure why Apple is getting dinged for not supporting a 3 year old phone. No one that I know of supports 3 year old phones.

Computer World did an interesting comparison of which companies have offered upgrades to Froyo, and for how many of their phones.

Even the highest score (HTC) was only 50%. Here is the breakdown:

HTC: 50%
Motorola: 15.4%
Samsung: 11%
Dell: 0%
LG: 0%
Sony: 0%

Actually, no Chrome did not get to use the auto-update mechanism. None of the sources you cited say what you think they said. The software configuration was frozen 2 weeks before the contest, and Chrome 9 was the version to be tested. However, by releasing patches in the past 2 weeks, Apple, Mozilla, and Google ensured that any exploit that was fixed in the latest versions would not be awarded the prize, it would instead go to the first to exploit an unpatched vulnerability.

The reason the hacker who was scheduled to attack Chrome didn't show is because he told Google about the vulnerability 1-2 days before he found out he was selected to have the first attempt at attacking Chrome in the contest. Since he already reported the vulnerability, that vulnerability does not qualify for the contest. He didn't have another successful exploit of Chrome ready, so he didn't go to the contest. Had he waited a couple days, he would have known he was first up to attack Chrome, wouldn't have reported the vulnerability, and could have walked away with $20k.

Order does not matter, but the IE8 story that you linked to points out just how much more difficult it really is to exploit IE8 compared to Safari.

Not only was the exploiter an experienced Windows hacker, but he also had to exploit multiple exploits, and tune them to get it to work reliably. On the other hand, the only hurdle that the Safari hacker's had was actually learning to make an exploit work on Mac's. Not only did they not find it challenging to find one, but they noticed many other vulnerabilities to go along with it.

Here is an even better story.

This article seems to indicate so:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9214002/Safari_IE_hacked_first_at_Pwn2Own

"But the Safari patches still had a part to play in Vupen winning. If the vulnerability used by Vupen to hack Safari had been fixed in 5.0.4, TippingPoint would not have awarded the $15,000 prize."

According to this more article, the version used by all browsers had been frozen from several weeks back so neither Safari nor IE were the latest.

TippingPoint's Peter Vreugdenhil said the browsers were "frozen" two weeks before today's tip-off with the then-current versions of Safari, Google's Chrome 9, Microsoft's IE8 and Mozilla's Firefox 3.6, to give researchers a stationary target.

While Apple did release a patch just minutes before the contest, it was not used and the release may not be related to the contest. The patch fixed some vulnerabilities but not the one that appeared to have been used. Also IE fell to the first attack. I'm not clear on the details of the contest but it appear that it is turn based.

Vupen, which was waiting in the wings in case Fewer failed, did not get a chance to try its luck against IE8.

It appears that Safari was selected or picked first to be tried.

It's called "Pwn2Own": the hackers win the machines they hack.

Everyone wants Macs. They hack them first. The other computers come down minutes later.

That's just weak, the prizes were $15,000 even for IE8 and Google was offering $20K.

How many Macbooks can you get for $15K or $20K ?

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9207939/Google_bets_2...

The easiest way to get a lot of Macbooks would be to exploit the easy software to hack and just buy them from the store.

The Senate bill is S.23, aka "America Invents", sponsor Patrick Leahy, who's been trying to get patent reform done for years.
Bill status query at thomas.loc.gov (not sure if these are persistent), Computerworld article, National Journal with some brief comments from pro/neutral/con parties, SF Chron article.

Silicon Valley businesses large and small were mostly against it, IBM was for it. Dianne Feinstein attempted an amendment to remove the First-to-File part, but voted for it anyway after that failed. Barbara Boxer voted against.

The US patent system has been first-to-invent for a long time, while Europe has been first-to-file. There's lots of other detail, largely intended to reduce the amount of patent litigation, improve the coordination with non-US patents, potentially improve the problems with patents on things with prior art and obviousness, and affect some tax issues."

And the path that they were taking earlier was going to be super successful right?

Why do you trolls have to phrase it as an either/or situation? Windows Phone 7 is a flop and Nokia hitched their wagon to it. There were other options.

Like HP, Dell, Asus, Acer, Sony ?

Yeah, their Windows lap dogs are doing reasonably well fighting over the scraps.

Umm, if Android was chosen, won't Nokia be fighting for the 'scraps' with Motorola, HTC, Samsung, Sony, etc. as you put it? Be consistent!

Atleast MS was offering them a better deal because it's a nascent platform, Google's wouldn't even care much at this point. And I thought Goldman Sachs analysts were riled on here? Unless it's to suit you I guess. Anyway, Nokia jumping on might make it

And the path that they were taking earlier was going to be super successful right?

Why do you trolls have to phrase it as an either/or situation? Windows Phone 7 is a flop and Nokia hitched their wagon to it. There were other options.

Like HP, Dell, Asus, Acer, Sony ?

Yeah, their Windows lap dogs are doing reasonably well fighting over the scraps.

Because in the real world, no one would ever be prepared in advanced. This will also go against the fact that the Mac OS has gone down in seconds where the Windows hacks takes minutes. A normal user would have restarted their computer (if they are using it) after 20-30 seconds of no/slow response which in the real world would kill the Windows attack, the Mac would be already too late.

You have also managed to contradict your self. Your post is trying to claim that OSX is better then Windows in security like Node said, then you turn around and claim that they are equal since they both fall at the same time. Which answer was the one you meant? Your can't flip between both of them.

Islam Inside?

Probably.

Abu Dhabi is an Islamic nation

Abu Dhabi buys fabs and a share of AMD

The UAE (of which Abu Dhabi is a part) is well known as a transit point for smuggling to Iran

Iran illegally obtains AMD CPUs

Hi MR FOSSie! You do realize that when you write M$ everyone assumes everything you post is coming from this guy yes? BTW like your Star Trek uniform!

As for your "points" why yes nobody ever bought or pirates MSFT Windows when your free wonderfulness was there, it is all network effects because nobody tried selling Linux...wait a tick...Hasn't everyone from Dell to ASUS and Walmart actually tried selling your OS and thanks to the PITA factor and shitty QA (which for a nice example see this little gem about how the Dell Ubuntu offering breaks if you update it) was labeled by the public a giant DO NOT WANT in fifty foot letters?

Or do you think it was a secret "M$ conspiracy" that OEMs saw 4 TIMES the returns with Linux or that when given a "choice" (you as a FOSSie ARE for freedom of choice, yes?) the customers ran to Windows as fast as they could even on netbooks which were supposed to be designed to take advantage of the strengths of Linux in the first place?

It really is simple MR FOSSie, hell it is practically first day business school 101: Give the customers what they want and listen to them and you gain share, give them a mess of CLI and "RTFM Noob!" bad attitude and watch as they stay away in droves it really is that simple. look at how Apple just waltzed in and royally kicked your ass, why is that? It is because they listen to their customers and designed an OS around the philosophy of "it just works" with little to no hoop jumping required, whereas Linux despite the pretty on top is really just CLI at heart. Which would have been fine if this was still 1997, but it is 2011 and the customers have made it clear all the CLI and hoop jumping (not to mention the driver mess or "update foo broke my drivers" which frankly we haven't seen in Windows since the end of Win9x or OSX since 10.2) is a giant "do NOT want!".

It really is simple: you are busy growing or you are busy dying. The only "growth" we have seen in Linux is Android (which is gonna be TiVo tricked right out from under you and therefor is as useful to the FOSS movement as having a Linux router) and despite FIFTEEN YEARS you are still below the margin for error. I didn't make those numbers up friend, and if those numbers would have been posted by any business they would have closed up shop by now. But you keep on thinking that you can force users to do things your way and that it is a big M$ conspiracy when you find users don't actually enjoy reading man pages or trawling forums for fixes. You DO know what the classic definition of insanity is, right? If it ain't worked after FIFTEEN YEARS perhaps it is time to try a different approach, ya?

I do understand the need to have a universal, optical interconnect

Just keep in mind that the first generation of Light Peak isn't optical, it's copper.

The iPhone A) does not cost less than the sum of its parts (see this story for the actual cost of parts of an iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4, both of which are higher than they are sold for) B) is sold on a two year contract to a consumer at a much lower cost than it would be without contract C) makes unknown amounts of money for Apple from AT&T and now Verizon.

The PS3 is NOT sold at a loss anymore and has not been for well over six months (see this story on /. no less). They were sold at a loss for a long time, and Sony is still probably trying to recoup their losses on that, but they get money off of every game sold as well.

Get your facts straight before you claim such things.

If you take your time, you will read that, "Although fewer than 10% of physicians now use full EHRs " and "CDW Healthcare said that a recent survey it performed found that 30% of doctors lack basic anti-virus software and 34% do not have network firewalls in place."

The important questions would seem to be:
  1) where do the 3 sets listed above intersect?
  2) why should anyone care if your primary care physician is trustworthy in this regard when she isn't the one who manages her network security or EHR compliance?

That's NOT what London Stock Exchange reps said:
"LSE denied that the collapse was TradElect's fault" - http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform by Stephen J. Vaughn-Nichols

Let's quote from your own link. First of all, the line you put between quotes was entirely out of context, because you omitted the initial "while" and the following lines:

"they also refused to explain what the problem really was. Sources at the LSE tell me to this day that the problem was with TradElect.

Since then, the CEO that brought TradElect to the LSE, Clara Furse, has left without saying why she was leaving. Sources in the City-London's equivalent of New York City's Wall Street--tell me that TradElect's failure was the final straw for her tenure. The new CEO, Xavier Rolet, is reported to have immediately decided to put an end to TradElect."

You also failed to mention that the article's title was "London Stock Exchange to abandon failed Windows platform" and that the author concluded:

"So, might I suggest to the LSE that they consider Linux as the foundation for their next stock software infrastructure? After all, besides working well for Chi-X, Linux seems to be doing quite nicely for the CME (Chicago Mercantile Exchange), the NYSE (New York Stock Exchange), etc., etc."

"So, in conclusion, yes, it's about the platform. .NET, MSSQL 2003, etc aren't robust enough for this kind of job." - by mangu (126918) on Thursday February 17, @07:15AM (#35230620)

Oh, really? That's NOT what London Stock Exchange reps said:

"LSE denied that the collapse was TradElect's fault" - http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform by Stephen J. Vaughn-Nichols

The other day here, while I was replying to other "Pro-*NIX" penguins here, I said this:

"TradElect &/or InfoLect being the Microsoft based system - & mind you also, it lasted just fine from 2007 until the crash that occurred, & from what I have been reading about it, it happened on the biggest volume day that exchange ever saw due to some takeover... it remains to be seen if Linux based MilleniumIT's system will handle THAT level of "load" too...!" - by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 15, @01:26PM (#35212722) from http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1995760&cid=35207904

Well, it appears I didn't have to wait long... lol, or even wait for a day of EXTREMELY HEAVY TRADING either!

APK

P.S.=> So far, under this Linux system MilleniumIT, the LSE's crashed TWICE ALREADY, and in less than 1 year!

By way of comparison?

The LSE under .NET systems, TradElect & InfoLect, ran fine from 2007 until it froze on the biggest trading volume day they ever had there (see the article above) due to some "takeover"... that's 2 yrs. or more worth of uptime out of it...

However, only THAT level of "stress on the system" collapsed the C#.NET/SQLServer 2000/Windows Server 2003 combination (not what's happening now to LSE under Linux, 2x now, no less).

(I bolded SQLServer 2000, because BETTER versions of it exist in 2005 & 2008, & I suspect IT was the "weakest link" in that mixture actually - but, more & more, it's looking like the IT Team handling things, actually, were I one to guess...) apk

The problem with that all-too-cute headline is that it may be way off the mark.

Wasn't this the MS get the fact showcase as to how much better ms.net and sql server were compared to linux? by DUdsen (545226) on Tuesday February 15, @05:56AM (#35207904)

Here is something you & the other "FUD spreaders" around here ought to be made aware of:

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"LSE denied that the collapse was TradElect's fault" - http://blogs.computerworld.com/london_stock_exchange_to_abandon_failed_windows_platform by Stephen J. Vaughn-Nichols

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TradElect &/or InfoLect being the Microsoft based system - & mind you also, it lasted just fine from 2007 until the crash that occurred, & from what I have been reading about it, it happened on the biggest volume day that exchange ever saw due to some takeover... it remains to be seen if Linux based MilleniumIT's system will handle THAT level of "load" too...!

ALSO?

See subject-line, because Linux was not in place at LSE before now, afaik. There was this:

Sequence Programme and Stock Exchange Electronic Trading Service (SETS) between 1994 and 1997

that WAS there, before Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2000 (I bolded that, because that was the problem, imo @ least: An old version of SQLServer, which isn't NEARLY AS GOOD as SQLServer 2005 was, & less so than SQLServer 2008) even?

("SETS" seems to have been a proprietary system of some sort, because I cannot find, after a LOT of "digging online" too mind you, EXACTLY what made it up! IF anyone can find it, please reply & post the data... thanks in advance!)

Anyhow - that was there, SETS, prior to Windows Server 2003 + SQLServer 2000 (which were being used, per my statement above, and. both are now out-of-date anyhow, because newer versions are out (Windows Server 2008 and SQLServer 2008)).

Now, where Microsoft HAS experienced successes on a Stock Exchange, has been NASDAQ.

The combination of:

Microsoft Server 2003 (clustered)
IIS
SQLServer 2005

Has been successful acting as "the official trade data dissemination system" there, for years now. With 24x7 "uptime" too, no less!

APK

P.S.=> Does it get attacked? You betcha:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/02/05/1723227/Hackers-Penetrate-Nasdaq-Computer-Networks

(No, I didn't HAVE to post that, but that wouldn't be totally fair/honest of me either to omit it & it'd open me up to "attack" on my point above so... there ya are!)

NYSE & Chi-X do well also, so far @ least, for stability, using Linux though. I won't omit stating that fact either!

Then again, as far as attacks though, getting "back on track" here?

Every stock exchange, gets "hit"... and A LOT (makes sense... Dollars & CENTS): That's where BIG money can be made, via attempts @ data alteration...

(One must love these Linux shills, trying to tell lies via their "FUD" tactics, because usually, they screw things up like DUDsen has... I state that, because it's ONLY A MATTER OF TIME before the LSE, on Linux, gets hacked/cracked too - because of the incentives (big coins))... apk

As for the other two, Microsoft would have to pay me to make a phone WP7(radioactive)

That's exactly why Nokia picked WP7.

First of all, the link you provided leads to an opinion article. 'Nuff said.

Even if Microsoft bought some rights from Novell via the Attachmate deal, the current stack is *not* Microsoft tech. The Accenture/MS solution (TradElec) was binned as it was problematic, it crashed for a whole day and it never reached its performance targets (using Server 2003 and SQL 2000). The CEO who had brought it in was apparently fired.

First of all, the link you provided leads to an opinion article. 'Nuff said.

Even if Microsoft bought some rights from Novell via the Attachmate deal, the current stack is *not* Microsoft tech. The Accenture/MS solution (TradElec) was binned as it was problematic, it crashed for a whole day and it never reached its performance targets (using Server 2003 and SQL 2000). The CEO who had brought it in was apparently fired.

based on Novell SUSE Linux technology

Should it be Attachmate (err... Microsoft...?) Linux Technology already?

I'm not suggesting that "anonymous" was responsible, only that an attack using similar software could cause lines to burst. The national NBC reporting that just aired Saturday February 12th failed to mention ANY of the issues that were raised locally.

The welds were of variable quality and of course pressure-induced failure will be at weak spots. Report say there were multiple failures at once. I've been unable to find any explanation as to why the pressure shot up right before the explosion.

The line was a 30" major distribution line about 50 years old run at pressures of up to 400 p.s.i.

P.G. & E. didn't even for sure know what kind of pipe they had, which calls into question whether they even knew how much pressure it could safely handle. Their records are incomplete and some were wrong. They claim to have no records of numerous calls from people reporting smelling gas as far back as two months before the explosion. They've switched their public statements around. It took them about two hours to even get people to a valve to cut off the gas. They had reported that a malfunction caused a pressure spike but later backtracked trying to claim that running the pressure up to the normal limit two years earlier somehow weakened the line. The period in question was summer/fall. If line pressures had to be elevated to overcome demand-related pressure loss in downstream lines that would have been during winter. (more likely to be an issue with the explosions in the eastern U.S.). The utility neglected to install and use any automatic shutoff equipment.

There are clearly problems with the utility company procedures, but it's that recanted malfunction causing pressure spike part that would be consistent with an attack via software.

There were a number of reports by California media regarding what happened. Some pulled offline later.
There are videos on YouTube with various local residents commenting on what happened.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20110122/WIRE/110129816

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pHP2Kpjo9OgJ:articles.sfgate.com/2011-01-09/news/27020428_1_gas-pipeline-pg-e-fatal-blast+gas-pipeline-pg-e-fatal-blast&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-01-11/news/27022021_1_pg-e-gas-line-spike

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20110122/WIRE/110129816

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-tv-pgesanbrunopipe,0,4690306.story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3z9VRqxOtE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Uza3-EDRc

The worm is not limited to what's in use in Iran. The people in the field that use Windows systems to spit out the code actually used by the control systems generally don't have the knowledge to disassemble the code and spot problems that aren't immediately apparent (like periodic instability or a timed attack). Given that things like pumping stations aren't set up often, expect that most use outside contractors.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9185419/Siemens_Stuxnet_worm_hit_industrial_systems

The national reporting simply blaming the incident on welds was misleading. At least region

I would love to hear all the reasons this is such a bad thing.

Here's one:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/microsofts-windows-phone-7-code-limitation-puts-an-end-to-mobile-firefox/7785

So no more Firefox for Nokia mobiles it seems, at least until Microsoft decides to release a native development kit (if they ever do). This is all the more troubling because Firefox is also locked out of iOS:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9188721/Mozilla_Forget_about_Firefox_on_iPhone

Why should Firefox be barred on the iPhone? There is no defensible reason.

So now we have two platforms for which Firefox Mobile is blocked from competing on. One for technical reasons, which are fixable but I would guess unlikely to get any love from Microsoft. One purely for policy reasons, which are eminently fixable but also unlikely to get any love from Apple. I don't want it to be as bad as it is but, regrettably, it is as bad as it is.

"Asshole", "shill" "Amateur"? Thats the best you can do? Really?

My phrase Foss Teams was not intended to be derogatory. I put it in quotes because I wasnt sure what phrase to use. There are companies that provide FOSS products, some only do FOSS, some contribute to FOSS but also sell proprietary solutions. Then there are groups of people that develop FOSS products. If FOSS Teams is not a the right phrase, then what is?

FOSS (LAMP) in particular in the sever space has a strong presence. But, I maintain it is not dominant. Microsoft sells lots of server products every year. Overall, the numbers Ive seen are more favorable to Windows server and related products. Of course, you can look at narrower markets and show different numbers. For example, in 2008, the super computer market was dominated by Linux (at like 90+%). It still is, but much less so today. Almost a year ago, Computerworld published this article, saying Windows Server had a 73.9% market share for the fourth quarter of 2009. In June of 2010, Mary Joe Foley (who loves to rake us over the coals) wrote this article saying that PP

In Q1 2010, Windows Server was installed on 75.3 percent of the servers sold worldwide. Linux was on 20.8 percent of the servers and Unix on only 3.6 percent. Both Windows Server and Linux grew in share from Q4 2009 to Q1 2010; Unix declined slightly

I found these two articles pretty easily. Im sure you can could find some others. I suspect the data wont be materially different - it is unlikely that, in aggregate, FOSS server software has a dominate market position by any stretch of the imagination. Note, Im not arguing that if you narrow things to specific sub-markets that FOSS will show much stinger numbers, but dominant ones? In major markets (not just niche things).

Said another way - what is your definition of dominant? Mine is dominate like the iPhone, or Windows, or Office.

The major FOSS products, like Linux, the LAMP stack, and MySQL (there ere others too...) are great products, developed by very capable and innovative people. They are also free. But even in the face of those characteristics, and the huge advantage of being free, MSFT has a solid and profitable market share competing with FOSS in the overall server space - its a $15 Billion market for us, and growing, and very, very profitable. That is success by any measure. We sell stuff to millions and millions of happy customers every year, year in, year out. Thats speaking with actions.

We make some really great products. Weve also built some super-crappy ones. Just like many other companies. We are a dominate number one in some big markets and were a strong number two in many others. We are committed to becoming so in some other markets (like search). We are good at growing profitable business over time and pruning ones that fail. Microsoft people almost universally have a strong and healthy respect for the people and products we compete against. The Apple iPod, iPhone, and iPad are insanely great products. Apple, Google, Oracle, and IBM all have smart, capable, innovate people. So do many FOSS projects.

Its cool that you dont like Microsoft - its a free country. But do you have such disdain for other major technology companies like Apple, Google, Oracle, IBM, Amazon, HP, or Facebook? Is the company that employees you any better? Or do you work for your self? If so, what do you do that is more moral or better? What FOSS projects have you contributed to in a material way? How many bugs have you fixed in FOSS software? Did these fixes make it into actual shipping releases? How many people did they help? 10s, 100s? Millions? Or is a sneering, cursing, hyperbolic post the best you can do to compete with Microsoft?

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That you got modded up "Insightful" is ridiculous Absolutely nothing in your post is backed by any evidence, and some of your points don't even make sense logically. If most Android tablets "kick the crap out of the iPad, hardware and software-wise," why is the iPad the #1 tablet?

Going by that logic, Windows must be vastly superior to all other desktop operating systems.

Calling the iPad a glorified iPhone is stupid when the iPad's interface is redesigned for the larger screen.

Yeah, spacing out those icons really must have taken some doing.

Android has become like a religion for bitter Apple-haters, a reason to convince yourself that you're smarter than other people.

Not paying exorbitant amounts of money for inferior hardware and a locked down OS is proof enough that non-Apple users are smarter.

People simply prefer iOS.

I guess that's why Android tablets are quickly taking the market. By year's end, expect at least 50% of the market to be using Android based tablets. By 2013, iPad will be a fading memory. Apple really doesn't learn anything from past mistakes. Most people want inexpensive devices that do what they need, that's Android.

I don't know where he got his numbers, but his math is solid. We have no evidence of his "statistics".

An analyst group that monitored stores reported a 16% return rate. Samsung reported 2%.

(examples: 16% and 2%, or just google "galaxy tab return rate" and you'll see headlines of 16% and 2%)

Given Samsung previously giving numbers "shipped", not sold to consumers, and tracking stores is tracking actual sales to consumers, it makes sense to assume Samsung is referring to returns from the 2 million, and the other number is returns from those sold. The rest is simple algebra as you mentioned.

There was a chart put together about manfacturer upgrade rates recently, that may shed some insight on this. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9204779/Android_upgrades_Manufacturer_comparison_?taxonomyId=75&pageNumber=1

However tablets are a bit of a different ballgame, how much different is hard to say though.

Consider for example that many DJs now are moving, or have moved away from vinyl, to various forms of computer based system, even for 'scratching'.

Dude, you could not have picked a worse example.The popularity of the vinyl LP is one the rise. Perhaps a hipster fad, perhaps not -- if Monster Cables and Brilliant Pebbles can find places in home audio, I think the LP can find a niche.

WTF? Did I just enter an alternative universe where google doesn't collect ridiculous amounts of information on everybody and have already given police forces bundles of information on people and only recently it was discovered hackers got in to their email system by using the back-door they put in. They've only just started too, see last link.

Sources: U.S. enables Chinese hacking of Google

Google's private data grab means big legal trouble

Schmidt offers Google's most chilling Big Brother scenario yet

Two articles this and one refered to by the first state "facts" that are in opposition.

The first states that the accused ran their tool June 5 to June 9th, and released on July 10th.
The second states that AT&T fixed the hole on June 8 and told affected users about the breach on June 9th.

I see reports that this information was on Gawker on the 9th, not the 10th.

I see reports from June 14 that AT&T sent messages claiming to have learned of the fault June 7th. This seems likely to have been because Auernheimer and Co. tipped them off through a third party, and waited for AT&T to close the hole. This also explains the claim "we never heard from (these people)", as well as the hole being closed before the news went public.

Disable your WiFi adapter. I wondered if it was something like that. If you are browsing from a phone at least it sounds like you can switch that option off, not sure about from PC though.