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I'd never read Animal Farm so I wanted to see the quote the poster was getting at. Here you are:


But a few days later Muriel, reading over the Seven Commandments to herself, noticed that there was yet another of them which the animals had remembered wrong. They had thought the Fifth Commandment was "No animal shall drink alcohol," but there were two words that they had forgotten. Actually the Commandment read: "No animal shall drink alcohol to excess."


From here: http://home.ddc.net/ygg/etext/animal.htm

The sad thing is to see people like you resorting to ad-hominems when you can't get your point across in an intelligently. You attack intelligence itelf by cloaking yourself in some sort of religious frenzy and believe that you can convert people into your idealogy. Well, it may have worked when you had armies on your side and an infrastructure based on slavery and oppression, but it doesn't work anymore. Even if you put one of your redneck guns to my head, or nail me to a cross and burn me alive as you do, you will only convince yourself, not me, because I know the greater truth which is based on observation and fact, not on words written by people I don't know and who haven't supported them with data.

The part that's dangerous is the 'new religious mania', where the fanatics use what apparently seems 'enlightened' ,'reasonable' and/or 'scientific' to implicitly further an agenda of hate. Your hate is obvious from your content and tone, and your disdain for logic and reason does not interest me. I know that people like you seem to use sense and reason but in reality have a hidden agenda of defamation and bigotry.

Here are some links for YOU to meet people who do what you do:

http://home.ddc.net/ygg/welcome.htm
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2 25709
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2 27012
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1 82050
http://www.agentofchaos.invisionzone.com/index.php ?showtopic=558
http://www.agentofchaos.invisionzone.com/index.php ?showtopic=1372
http://www.agentofchaos.invisionzone.com/index.php ?showtopic=240


All based on arguments that seem reasonable and, to the superficial eye, based on fact. However, a truly thinking mind realizes them for the hate propaganda they are.


These folks can expose you better than I can:

http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/Christian_Identity .asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in _America&xpicked=4&item=Christian_ID

His actual paper can be found here.

White gentiles, comprising 73% of the general population get only 18% of the seats at Harvard. They are under-represented by a _factor_ of 4 times. If blacks were similarly under-represented at Harvard, they would have only 3% of the seats. In fact, they have 8%.

At Harvard, white gentiles are 3 times more under-represented, relative to their share of the population, than blacks.

When you look at the totals for all 15 schools, you see that white gentiles comprise only 38% of the student population, approximately half their share in the general population.

Jews have an average IQ that is .84 standard deviations above that of white gentiles. The average for white gentiles is 100. For Jews it is 112. Based on this higher average, we would expect them to be represented at a rate of 4 to 5 times their share of the population at the IQ range of 140, which populates Harvard. That means 10 to 12% of the seats, not 27%.

Indeed, CalTech, the school with the highest SAT scores (both verbal and math) and the smartest students, has only 5% Jews.

Thus, it becomes clear that the dramatic differences in percents of white gentiles between CalTech and Princeton at one end of the scale, and Harvard and Columbia, at the other, are based on policy preferences of the institution, and not on the size of the talent pool.

The variation in the numbers of white gentiles between schools demonstrates that these variances are the result of deliberate policy choices made by the particular university.

In short, the Ivy League has opted out of the enlightenment, to become de facto seminaries for the state religion of political correctness.

White gentiles, comprising 73% of the general population get only 18% of the seats at Harvard. They are under-represented by a _factor_ of 4 times. If blacks were similarly under-represented at Harvard, they would have only 3% of the seats. In fact, they have 8%.

At Harvard, white gentiles are 3 times more under-represented, relative to their share of the population, than blacks.

When you look at the totals for all 15 schools, you see that white gentiles comprise only 38% of the student population, approximately half their share in the general population.

Jews have an average IQ that is .84 standard deviations above that of white gentiles. The average for white gentiles is 100. For Jews it is 112. Based on this higher average, we would expect them to be represented at a rate of 4 to 5 times their share of the population at the IQ range of 140, which populates Harvard. That means 10 to 12% of the seats, not 27%.

Indeed, CalTech, the school with the highest SAT scores (both verbal and math) and the smartest students, has only 5% Jews.

Thus, it becomes clear that the dramatic differences in percents of white gentiles between CalTech and Princeton at one end of the scale, and Harvard and Columbia, at the other, are based on policy preferences of the institution, and not on the size of the talent pool.

The variation in the numbers of white gentiles between schools demonstrates that these variances are the result of deliberate policy choices made by the particular university.

In short, the Ivy League has opted out of the enlightenment, to become de facto seminaries for the state religion of political correctness.

Don't know what I'm talking about?

Check this:

The Domestic End Game

March 4, 2002

I can recall very clearly one morning many years ago while commuting to work in the North suburbs of Chicago hearing the announcement that the government was removing home prices from the CPI. That was 1981, if I am not mistaken. At that time, the CPI was running at about an 8% annual rate of increase, largely because of soaring home prices.

The rise in home prices created a new trend. After 14 years of stagnating stock prices some homeowners would keep their old homes when they moved and rent them in the expectation that the price of the home would keep rising. Thus, the rents were typically set at the homeowners old mortgage rate plus the real estate taxes. I was renting just such a home at the time, and the rent was a mere 3% of the market value of the house. The cash outlay, even net of taxes, was far less than a mortgage on the full market value of the home.

In the place of housing prices the government substituted precisely this type of rent, available on a mere 2% of the total housing stock, and called it "imputed rent." Thus, it was the rental rate charged by the 2% of homeowners who were the most optimistic about price appreciation, so that they could hold on to their first homes and sell them later. All they needed to cover was their cash outlay for mortgage and taxes, and they had to offer a rental bargain to lure away tenants from the siren song of appreciation and tax deductions that they might otherwise have if they purchased a house instead of renting a house.

Of course this imputed rental vastly understated the actual cash outlay for housing by about 55% of the American public which owned homes, but that was precisely the point. In response to the inflation of the 1970's Congress indexed both Social Security had Federal income tax marginal rates to the CPI, which was then based upon a fixed basket of goods. Thus, inflation hurt our imperial government by raising its costs (Social Security) and lowering its revenues (indexed marginal tax rates). This CPI adjustment had the effect of repealing the politically popular protections enacted by Congress to shield the public from the effects of inflation (raising their taxes and lowering their retirement incomes).

And since shelter costs represented 40% of the CPI, I knew that the CPI would chronically understate inflation from that point onward. Instead of a fixed basket of goods, it had become a political fiction, created by un-elected inner-party bureaucrats to preserve the power of the imperial government they so thoroughly idolized.

Some twenty years later I read a news article which states that the average Social Security Benefit has just been increased to reflect this year's CPI and is now $872 per month.

Tilt!!!

An efficiency apartment in what our imperial elites effectionately refer to as the "fly-over" areas of the country costs $550 per month.

So how on earth can anybody actually live on Social Security?

Folks, social security has already been repealed.

Game over!!!

Twenty years of inner party monkeying with the CPI has produced a pot of water with a gradually rising temperature which has finally cooked the frog.

As the infirmities of old age set in, most of the elderly end up in retirement homes.

A decent retirement home costs about $20,000 per year. What kind of care can a Soci

(AP) Dateline 2/20/2020 Washington DC

Tens of thousands of unemployed baby boomer information technology workers were called "highly disgruntled" today as they spread deadly carcinogens in the air conditioning intakes of the offices of executives, boards of directors and major stock holders of the fortune 1000 companies as well as targeting the entirety of Forbes' wealthiest Americans. Complaining that after 19 years working as Home Depot stocking clerks, burger flippers, window washers and waiters, they had to live on $872/month when a fly-over-country efficiency apartment costs $550/mo the retired information technology workforce seemed to experience "the blue screen of death" en masse.

Wired magazine editor, Rajiv Gupta, told the AP: "Yes we've been expecting this sort of eruption of discontent for a while now. Many people just don't understand how globalization works but in the case of the American baby boomers its the fact that they're so spoiled they think they deserve to be making as much money as they did at the height of the dot-com bubble. If it weren't so horrific, it would be just sad. Too bad no one put them down before they faced death due to their laziness."...

My opinion of The New NASA(TM) remains unchanged. Until they have actually awarded prize monies in a fair and open competition ($20M in prizes is pocket change for what should be the _bulk_ of NASA's budget) I'm convinced this is just a way to inhibit politically embarrassing events, such as the private prize awards that actually opening up the space frontier in the place of NASA. No one in power really wants this to happen lest they lose control of the pioneering (and therefore unmanageably independent) American populations they have so recently destroyed with their economic and technology policies.

Read Yggdrasil's "The Domestic End Game" for an analysis of how you have been dispossessed -- but no one more so than the boomers

I hope you aren't white or you are a fucking race traitor.

for people offended by this, join us at Stormfront. White people are currently 7% of the world's population, in 50 years that will be 1%, in 100 years, .5%. We have no homeland, we will be a minority in all our major countries such as the US, France, and England. We are defending the existence and continuation of the White Race, which potentially could become extinct in a short time.

For those who do not understand the difference between White Nationalism and White Supremacy (which is not really an organized belief) please read this site.

See Godel's Theorem. In summary: All logical systems of any complexity are, by definition, incomplete; each of them contains, at any given time, more true statements than it can possibly prove according to its own defining set of rules. This theory has been taken to imply that you'll never entirely understand yourself, since your mind, like any other closed system, can only be sure of what it knows about itself by relying on what it knows about itself.

Yes, I have read it. Please explain how this refers to the topic. I am deeply interested.

Bill Gates was quoted saying, "Four feet good, two feet better."

Ever stop and realize that maybe non-whites do have a reason to mistrust whites? When were whites ever enslaved by blacks or asians?

Ummm....you know where the word "slave" comes from? Slav. I.e., most of the people who currently inhabit eastern Europe. Whites have been enslaved and imported from Europe to North Africa and the Middle East for thousands of years. Back maybe 30-40 years ago, a farmer in Britain was plowing a field and accidently found a long chain of slave collars from the Roman era (when slaves were one of Britain's biggest exports). It's been going on a long time. In fact, a large portion of the early population of colonial America were white slaves: not just those euphemistically called "indentured servants" but people who were kidnapped, press ganged, sold, shipped out, and then often worked to death. Try Hoffman's "They Were White And They Were Slaves" here or here. Other links are below.

Nor should you fall for the line that this was just something that whites did to other whites, or that Middle Easterners, Arabs, etc., did to whites or others. No, blacks and "asians" (whatever that means) may not have had the opportunity to enslave whites, but they have done lots of other nasty things. Of course, don't expect the media or academia to draw your attention to these un-PC facts.

http://odinslounge.techgold2000.com/

http://www.propatria.org/findex.htm

http://www.resistance.com/

http://www.whitepride.com/

http://www.panzerfaust.com/

http://www.ddc.net/ygg/

http://www.stormfront.org/

http://www.natall.com/

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/

I grew up during the civil rights movement in a family of Quaker heritage where interracial marriage was considered the proper solution to ethnic conflict. I grew up with mass media telling me the same thing, I went to public schools and higher education where I was told the same thing and I've been working in multiethnic urban centers like Miami, San Diego and Silicon Valley since 1981, but I've yet to see a case where the words "racism" etc. were used in conjunction with critical thought as opposed to mere ad hominem critique.

Jim Bowery: Since I made no mention of Hispanics, and you are writing anonymously, there is a very good chance you are not Hispanic at all, but merely posing as one for rhetorical advantage.

Anonymous Coward: You have just confirmed for me that you really are a bigot. Do you think Hispanics are only concerned with matters directly involving Hispanics?

Hispanics are just as "bigoted" as other ethnic groups. If you don't believe me, visit the gang-lands of various urban centers sometime. But, of course, you knew that already. Furthermore, you knew I knew it, etc. Your denial is simply part of the pathological social contract imposed by the real organs of propaganda.

Anonymous Coward: If I wanted to propagandize I'd have claimed to be an English immigrant. That would have caused you considerable cognitive dissonance...

Not really, but even assuming it would cause me congitive dissonance, my point about rhetorical advantage was not concerning that which would cause me the most cognitive dissonance. What I actually had envisioned was someone who wanted to hide behind a Hispanic identity to cause any resulting negative backlash to fall on Hispanics rather than on whatever ethnic group they were actually servicing. This is a fairly common tactic in anonymous communications involving ethnic conflict.

Jim Bowery: I don't have a particular problem with Hispanics, but if you are Hispanic, you're correct to be concerned.

Anonymous Coward: I think you do have a problem with Hispanics;

I said I don't have a particular problem with Hispanics. As I said above: Hispanics are just as "bigoted" as other ethnic groups. To that I would add that the current population ascendency of Hispanics, while not shared by all other ethnic groups, is not unique to Hispanics in the US. I do have a problem with ethnic groups that did not create this nation coming here, flourishing and then labeling people like myself, all of whose known ancestors were here before the revolutionary war with smear words like "bigots" and "racists", and then claiming that all stages of immigration groups are essentially the same. Hispanics aren't the only ethnic group that is prone to this treacherous abuse of hospitality. Pointing to the abuses of native Americans by the founding British subjects as justifying abuse by later immigrant groups fails to accord proper respect the profoundly different situation that existed when the first settlers to the British colonies were suffering a 1 in 4 mortality rate in the first year of immigration. This is a far cry from the challenges facing immigrants showing up today to a country with a technological civilization and political system more advanced than the one from which they were fleeing.

you prove your bigotry in the following passage:

I prove only that Hispanics are just as guilty of nepotism and "bigotry" as any other ethnic group.

Jim Bowery: Next time, try addressing the arguments -- especially if they are based on documented and reference facts -- as presented rather than launching into ad hominem rhetoric.

Anonymous Coward: Don't be so condescending. All you did was launch an ad hominem attack on David Brin, who launched his own ad hominem attack on the presidential candidates.

You are the only person in this context who is actually relying on ad hominem attack.

David Brin admitted he was acting a bit "over the top" with his comments on "preppies" and I excused that behavior on his part by pointing to the probable historic causes. This is a far cry from attacking Brin on an ad hominem basis. I then went on to point out, via facts and figures with references, that the definition of "preppy" has changed so much that it is now Brin's own ethnic group, Jews, who are most properly thought of as "preppy" in the very university, Yale, that Brin was attacking by attacking Bush, from a Yale educated family line, as an archetypal "preppy". This points out a faulty premise in his thinking and possible hypocrisy. I don't know whether Brin actually identifies with Jews as an ethnic group or not. For all I know Brin may be like many WASPs; quite ready and willing to attack those of their own ethnic group they see as weilding undue privilege within a universalist society. Although I doubt Brin is so universally motivated from a number of his statements I've heard and read in the past, and may therefore be a hypocrite, that is not the main point which is, again, it is Jews, not WASPs who are the Yale "preppies" of today -- the ethnic group that is apparently holding down non-"White" enrolement at Yale while keeping their numbers in that institution at a disproportion so high it cannot be completely accounted for by other factors. If Brin wants to distance himself from the epithets to which he almost certainly would subject others, then he can consider this a challenge to be more forthcoming with his critiques of his own ethnicity or stand accused of being a hypocrite.

Further, if people want to get bent out of shape over the distribution of wealth and power in the US, they are best served by looking at which ethnic group has the most millionaires and which ethnic group has most influence on mass media -- neither of which are WASPs. Again, it is those new "preppies" who are holding down the non-"whites" at Yale while holding their own in those halls of ivy: Jews.

This is not simply the result of hard work, intelligence etc. as amply calculated Yggdrasil's document "Diversity's Losers II", which you should try reading instead of just maligning.

Anonymous Coward: I'm praying for you.

Your sanctimonious public posturing is of little interest to me except as evidence that you are spiritually as well as intellectually bankrupt.

Maybe the social diamond won't fall apart overnight if George W. Bush becomes president. Maybe he'll be balanced by a Democratic Congress. Maybe we'll be fine. There are lots of other factors involved than which figurehead occupies the White House.

That's still a far cry from letting a small cadre of lazy preppies scoop in billions without paying a penny of it to the nation that protects them, pays for the research, protects them, educates their workers, protects them, keeps the poor from rioting, protects them, maintains labor peace, protects them, enforces contracts, protects them, invests in saving the environment we all share and then protects the rich some more, in ten thousand more ways than they would ever willingly acknowledge.

Oh, pity their poor offspring, who must graduate from Andover or some other prep school knowing that now they have to go to university alongside the bright scions of accountants and teachers and laborers!

I'm glad David Brin brings up the subject of "preppies" and their attempts to maintain elite status in Ivy League schools, such as Yale whose "Skull and Bones Society" pandered to the likes of the Bush family. It is understandable that Brin gets a little hot under the collar about Ivy League schools since there was a time when men of Jewish heritage, like Mr. Brin, were excluded with prejudice from those institutions of higher learning.

One of the principle symptoms of an elite attempting to maintain its status in such a school is a clear bias in ethnic makeup. So one might suppose such elitism is now a thing of the White Anglo Saxon Protestant past because, as David Brin informs us "now they have to go to university alongside the bright scions of accountants and teachers and laborers!"

But the picture at places like the Bush-dynasty's Yale University that simple?

I took Yggdrasil's table in "Diversity's Losers", which includes "Jews" as defined by Princeton Review's "Hillel Guide To Jewish Life on Campus" within the category of "Whites" vs non-"Whites". I then added a "Pan-Western Fascism" metric to the end of it. The PWF metric is the "Jewish" percentage of the student body divided by the non-"White" percentage of the student body (times 100).

Yale, that Bush-family bastion of "preppy" elitism, didn't simply come out on top, it is _way_ out on top:

The table sorted by PWF metric is:

________________ENROL__%WHITE__#WHITE__#JEWS____ J-%__#W-Gen__W-Gen%____PWF_

YALE____________10000____67______6700___3000____ _30____3700____37_______90_

PENN____________22800____60_____13680___7000____ _31____6680____29_______77_

COLUMBIA________19000____58_____11020___6000____ _32____5020____26_______76_

BROWN____________7100____67______4757___1600____ _23____3157____44_______69_

NORTHWESTERN____10000____68______6800___2000____ _20____4800____48_______62_

DUKE_____________9500____72______6840___1500____ _16____5340____56_______57_

HOPKINS__________4400____65______2860____800____ _18____2060____47_______51_

HARVARD_________16700____45______7515___4500____ _27____3015____18_______49_

CORNELL_________18500____67_____12395___3000____ _16____9395____51_______48_

PRINCETON________5700____70______3990____800____ _14____3190____56_______46_

CHICAGO__________8500____60______5100___1350____ _16____3750____44_______40_

STANFORD________14000____50______7000___2000____ _14____5000____36_______28_

DARTMOUTH________5270____57______3004____500____ _09____2504____47_______20_

MIT______________9800____48______4704____875____ _09____3829____39_______17_

CALTECH__________2050____56______1148____100____ _05____1048____51_______11_

But really, considering recent events in middle east, with both Bush and Gore siding with Israel as its soldiers support apartheid in that country by mowing down with Uzi-fire the indigenous people who are armed with rocks, and a Kristalnacht-like rampage against Palestinian-run shops, is such a result really that surprising?

Yep. Bill Gates "The Road Ahead" book was on the CD-Rom that came with the printed book. And you can read Brave New World, or any of the books by these Authors online too. Plus 1984 is somewhere on the net, but I can't remember the link.