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Re:He's an unrepentant money-grubbing leech!huhu, add to your list the more esoteric 3" floppy drive, which you can get for instance of some old amstrad computers (664,6128,pcw) or the 8" floppy you can get of a trs80 and a nice proggie called 22dsk and you're even more in business...
eventhough chances to recover data from floppy get slimmer by the year (sigh). oh! some inventive cabling required
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Far too much info about the lawyers involved.
A google search on the names Moxon and Kobrin yielded this remarkably thorough document about the lawfirm partners...
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Re:New Business Model NeededHow do you explain taxi services and forms of public transportation? You can't tell me that these don't cut into auto sales. Why have a car when you live and work in downtown Chicago? Or even take a bike.
The government endorses public transportation, but it shuns public music distribution channels? What the fuck is up with that?
This isn't too far off what happened - Los Angeles being the best known example. It's only really since the smog problem got too bad to ignore that the US government has started even pretending to support public transport.
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Cargo Cult ArchaeologyI'm surprised that the BBC swallowed this one so uncritically. The Guardian has a rather more sceptical story, which implies that the underwater 'structures' have not been dated in any meaningful way, and may in fact be natural rock formations :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,68
2 031,00.htmlCuriously, the expedition does not seem to include any professional archaeologists:
http://www.india-atlantis.org/
Graham Hancock, the most prominent member of the expedition, is well known for what might kindly be described as 'fringe' theories of ancient civilizations, Faces on Mars, etc:
For a critical view, see:
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Cooling. CCD vs CMOS. Consumer digital camerasThere are hundreds (if not thousands) of people using webcams & cheap security cameras for backyard astronomy and getting good results, but the special thing about these guys is that they are cooling theirs!
By cooling the CCD you reduce the background "noise" the CCD picks-up and less noise means a sharper image.
CMOS webcams, though they suffer problems in low light can also be pressed in to service on a telescope; they do quite a good job for shots of the moon!
Good sharp photos can also be obtained of the moon and bright planets just by holding a consumer digital camera to the eyepiece of a telescope!
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Little Experience
Wife and brother-in-law have RP. To echo another poster, bigger is better. She has a 17" monitor, and runs in DOS or Linux bash-prompt as much as possible. BIL has a 19" monitor.
If you can get the taxpayers to pay for it, get one of those ginormous LCD screens. Make sure it goes bright enough.
Really, owing to the individualized nature of many disabilities, your best bet is to be prepared to do lots of shopping. And if the condition is dynamic, be prepared to replace parts frequently as conditions change.
Also, I'd look into emacspeak. I would have done this for my wife, but her hearing is bad also. (BTW, that isn't the easiest page to read. Default font size too small:)
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Re:What's holding back security
Encryption by itself is too difficult and esoteric for normal users. If you want to see it spread, make it easy to use and easy to understand.
That's why I'm developing Herbivore, a zero-effort mail encryption system.
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Re:The Enigmail PluginI've been submitting bug reports and suggesting improvements to Enigmail for a few months now and I like it a lot!
One great thing about it is that it is a cross-platform solution. I can use it under WinBlows and linux; both with GnuPG and the same keyring. <grin>
One thing I like the sound of is Herbivore. Putting transparent, seamless and automatic encryption and signing into MUA's is the best solution to problems like Carnivore.
I urge people in light of the recent "demise" of PGP to lend their time & support to projects like Enigmail and Ägypten. Even if all you do is report bugs or make suggestions for improvements you'll help with getting these products ready for non-geek end users.
Come on guys & gals! Pitch in!
Craig.
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Re: Reverse Engineered GamesA reverse engineered version (binaries, sources) of the original space combat/trade game Elite can be found here.
The source for a replacement binary for Frontier: First Encounters (Unix/Linux, DOS/Windows 98/2000/XP) can is here, and you can get the complete data files here(shareware, meaning you should send 5 British Pounds to Frontier Developments if you continue to use it after 30 days).
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Experience as a deCSS defendant
My mirror's been here since I read the original story on Jon Johansen's bust here on Slashdot, in late 1999. Along with tens of other people I posted the mirror URL to the story, as you do. I also subscribed to a deCSS list at (IIRC) the EFF. I set up some clumsy rules to filter stuff into a separate folder, and took my three weeks Y2K holiday. When I got back (as the world had failed to end), it took me a while to go through the mai backlog, and it was IIRC two or three months later that I found what appeared to be a writ, served on me by mail, announcing I was "John Doe #13" in the DVD/CCA case (the Californian case, not the 2600 NYC case.)
Well after I stopped laughing, and found my humble vanity URL listed in the official legal docs on the web, I wondered for a while whether I should pull it. Eventually I bought a couple of Copyleft T shirts (hey! where did they go - the site's gone!) ... with the source on, and haven't heard anything more about it. As I'm a UK citizen, and my mirror physcially resides in the UK, I don't reckon I ned worry until they start throwing Brits into jail... so far, so good. But as they must have trawled my URL from the Slashdot story (the only place I posted it), perhaps they'll read this and order a 6am raid. -
Re:Not Quite a Victory
Silly little details weren't a problem for Helena Kobrin. I got a message from her because I was canceling her fake usenet cancles. I sent the letter to the legal guys who said ignore it and then someone tried to DOS our box. It took her a while to understand that the af.mil on the domain would result in her getting a visit in person telling her just how long she could expect to spend in jail if she keep up with the nonsense.
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Running Counter-Strike with *no* Windows partition
Two things have given me the push to nuke Win2k and install 8.2 when it comes out. First is Crossover plugin which lets me read Word documents and run Windows Media Player. The second is my friend has installed Counter-Strike directly onto ext2 and has it running full speed under WINE. Here is how it is done.
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Leak your own (broken) keysI recall how the Amiga IRC client, AmIRC would display bogus keys to everyone in a channel except the person using it. Always thought that was one of the more amusing/clever means of policing keys that I have seen.
Create your own (variously) broken keys and flood the market so that people will need to second guess any \/\/4R3z they find.
Xix.
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MPatrolAnother great tool is mpatrol
I found it extreamely helpful in tracing memory leaks.
It's GPL, it is mature, it is multi-platform.
Very feature reach and can be easly integrated in your existing projects with includes and automake macros.
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Re:Rule apologetics.
Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay is still the bar none best rpg out there fatntasy at least
Have a look at ArsMagica. I am most familliar with version 3 published by White Wolf. Once you get past (or discard) the idea of the 'troupe' and tone down the mages a bit you will find that it has some really nice game mechanics. For a little while my group used ArsMagica mechanics, in the lands of Greyhawk and ForgettenRealms. Ars Magica version 4 is now published by Atlas games.
I do agree that Warhammer FRP is one of the best. The mechanics were flexible and had a nice sense of realism without being overdone. I always found the career system a little odd, but loved its flexibility. Warhammer FRP is now published by Hogshead.
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Google slowness is a myth
The author is basing this on outdated information. Google knows to crawl sites that change frequently more often than those that don't. Here is a concrete example:
I posted Two Kinds of Order by John Marks on March 11th, and mentioned this to some colleagues who might be interested. I linked to it from a Weblog or two,and Doc Searls did too.
Today it is number 1 on a search for 'two kinds of order' out of over 2 million, and a search for John Marks brings the page up in 5th position, despite there being lots of other John Marks's on the net.
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Re:Why didn't they use 'purify' ?
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Re:VA Is Dying
one of my posts has been admitted into the annals of the Troll Library!!! i cannot fucking believe it!!!
propz to Commanders Zat Solo!!! and John Jordan!!!! -
Re:duh, challenge response!The latest stuff I'm seeing from the Camram (Campaign for Real Mail) website suggests that a hash would be necessary for initial contact, but that after that people would verify each other by using keys exchanged in the initial contact.
This means that if you're running a mailing list, the initial signup procedure (where you confirm that the address you've been given really did want to sign up, by sending them back an email) will do the key exchange, so after that you're only doing some crypto rather than a hashcash calculation. Still more expensive than conventional email, but not deliberately expensive.
For an example of a cryptosystem which works in this way, see Herbivore
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Re:Linux On The Desktop Is Viable Today
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Tardis 2000 and NTPOn Windows machines use Tardis 2000, and on Linux/Unix machines use NTP. These two programs combine server and client functions and are interoperable over the same network. Both accept GPS input from an RS232 source and can sync an entire network from it. I have used Tardis with my Garmin eTrex on COM1:, for example.
Having said that, there is one caveat: Simple GPS input will give you only about one-second accuracy. For better accuracy, you need a GPS with an auxilliary PPS (pulse-per-second) output. NTP can accept PPS inputs if the Linux kernel is compiled with that option. (My out-of-the-box Red Hat 7.1 was not.) If not you may still be able to get better accuracy by temporarily hooking up your GPS simultaneously (using NTP) with several internet time servers. Using ntpq (a utility included with NTP), you can observe the offset from internet time your GPS is giving you. It will be less than one second. NTP gives you the option of programming an offset for each time source you choose, and you can use your observed GPS offset to correct your GPS time source.
I'm not sure whether Tardis can handle PPS or not.
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Re:What I want to see is...
Seems to me for that old bad boy you have two options. DOS or CP/M http://www.seasip.demon.co.uk/Cpm/
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Here's a blatant Dr. Who reference:
I use a program called "Tardis 2000" from H. C. Mingham-Smith, Ltd. in Berkshire, England. It's shareware, so you can use it now; for the honest, it only costs $20. It will interface with a standard NMEA GPS (which most are), so you can solve your problem for the cost of the software and a $200 commodity consumer GPS with a serial cable. (I'd suggest you get one with an external antenna option.) Heck, it'll even run as an NT/2000 service, so you don't get clutter in your system tray.(According to it, my clock drift is 4.703 seconds per day, based on time signals from tick.usno.navy.mil -- do you need thousandths-of-a-second accuracy? I sure don't! I think it shows the general precision of a computer's clock, though.)
The GPS time units I suspect you've looked at are paired with, I believe, a disciplined frequency standard. IIRC, it's nothing much more than an oven-regulated quartz crystal and a huge price tag. Yes, they are extraordinarily accurate and precise, but the clock drift that'll occur between your workstations' time synchronizations will completely negate the ridiculous accuracy of such a device. Don't waste your money, if you need "precise time, accurate to ±1 second," then you're set for about $220 to $250.
Besides, I love the name -- it's so perfectly appropriate.
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Here's a blatant Dr. Who reference:
I use a program called "Tardis 2000" from H. C. Mingham-Smith, Ltd. in Berkshire, England. It's shareware, so you can use it now; for the honest, it only costs $20. It will interface with a standard NMEA GPS (which most are), so you can solve your problem for the cost of the software and a $200 commodity consumer GPS with a serial cable. (I'd suggest you get one with an external antenna option.) Heck, it'll even run as an NT/2000 service, so you don't get clutter in your system tray.(According to it, my clock drift is 4.703 seconds per day, based on time signals from tick.usno.navy.mil -- do you need thousandths-of-a-second accuracy? I sure don't! I think it shows the general precision of a computer's clock, though.)
The GPS time units I suspect you've looked at are paired with, I believe, a disciplined frequency standard. IIRC, it's nothing much more than an oven-regulated quartz crystal and a huge price tag. Yes, they are extraordinarily accurate and precise, but the clock drift that'll occur between your workstations' time synchronizations will completely negate the ridiculous accuracy of such a device. Don't waste your money, if you need "precise time, accurate to ±1 second," then you're set for about $220 to $250.
Besides, I love the name -- it's so perfectly appropriate.
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Re:Talk about an old chestnut...
Nope, it definitely wasn't Wheelie. I had that one as well.
This from the Spectrum Games FAQ:
Streethawk (Ocean) is a story all in itself. It was in fact released (very briefly) as part of a contract that Ocean had with a home shopping catalogue, Kays or something, but it was abysmal, and quickly changed for something else, although what, I don't know. The real StreetHawk was also properly released, although by then it was so late, nobody could remember who StreetHawk was, and it also didn't do very well...
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Re:Im still waiting....
You sound like someone who didn't get what he wanted for Christmas.
It's very easy to dismiss futurist predictions because we hear about the misses more than the hits disproportionately to their true ratio. And while there are undoubtedly more of the former than the latter, it's a little much to proclaim all of it horseshit. Better to say, sniff carefully because it's *probably* horseshit. :)
Here's a great site, and a good example of what we're talking about, HEINLEIN'S PREDICTIONS For The Year 2000, in which twenty predictions in 1950 are listed, along with amendations in 1966 and 1980 and other commentary. He bats .500 on the first two, at least: Interplanetary Travel and Contraception.
Now, as far as your bleak
'All this technolgy only makes it easier to kill each other, steal each other land and money, and pretty much lead more misearble meaningless existences than life was 50 years ago.... '
rant goes, I was going to find a science timeline to refute it with a few choice examples, but I think I'll leave it at one: The Internet, which allows rabble-rousing pedants to blow off steam into the air of a virtual domain rather than taking up valuable public park space with their soapboxes and shrill, infantile proclamations. -
Re:that may not be prior artYour comment should be modded up a bit.
I, probably like many
/.'ers, watched a few of those videos and thought something along the lines of "man, those guys were so far ahead of their time, they had everything already done back then! Screw BT and their specious patents!". But go back and watch the demo again. Then scan the patent again. Doublas Engelbart's demo kept referencing hypertext within the same information store (computer). I couldn't find a reference to a local reference to remote information. Networking and even remote sessions are mentioned but never the context of a local link to a remote chunk of data. BT's patent appears to focus on hyperlinking menus being included with each chunk of data to allow easy access to further information.Now, having said that, there are some key differences between the hyperlinks we know and love today and the system described in BT's patent. Links in the form of http://, ftp://, etc are known as URLs because they abstract away the differences in local and network locations and various protocols used for transmitting the data. It may be argued that hyperlinks are abstractions of a local data store, not a remote menuing system. Also of interest in BT's patent is the reference to the VIEWDATA system, some quick internet searching reveals systems that used color coded links that may qualify as prior art. Another major factor is the use of a mouse. BT's patent doesn't seem to mention anything besides keypad input methods while today's interaction with hypertext is primarily with some sort of pointing device.
Another thing to consider is BT's first major target in this. While other reports mention up to 17 ISPs being asked to pay royalties, Prodigy has gotten the majority of the attention. Wasn't Prodigy one of the larger online services back in the '80s? Might they have had an early interface system that consisted of numeric menus linking to additional information? Is BT going after one of the only true violators of the patent, hoping to scare the rest of the world into paying royalties? Are they deliberately setting up smokescreens, hoping to distract from the real issues in the case?
So, after a closer look, I still think that Mr. Englebart and his peers were way ahead of their time and I still say "Screw BT and their specious patents!", just for slightly different reasons.
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Why not use avian carriers?
Much like this proposal, carrier pigeons would provide a high latency connection. It's been fully considered; there's even an RFC on it:
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It's Me Again, Lets Improve TrollingPlease help improve both the quantity and quality by becoming a troll, and also a better troll!
Slashdot Troll HOWTOThis is version 0.6 of a troll HOWTO, sort of a companion piece to jsm's excellent troll FAQ. As a draft, comments and criticism are always welcome, if not appreciated
:)Section 1 - Trolling techniques
There are techniques used by successful trolls to elicit the maximum amount of responses from unthinking
/.ers. This section is dedicated to explaining how to use these in the course of your trolls. Remember though, a great troll can break any or all of these and still be successful...- Timing
Because you're posting as an AC, your troll will generally be ignored in favour of posters using their accounts, and so getting in early is essential. A good guideline is to get into the first 20 posts, so that people reading the article will see the troll before it is swamped out. One way of increasing the speed with which you get your troll into play is to prepare them beforehand, and then quickly customise them for the current article. This is easier than it sounds since
/. typically repeats stories with small variations and runs lots of similar stories.Note that this is why Jon Katz stories are pretty worthless as trolling material - by the time you've found the article and prepared a troll there's already 50+ posts on it, most of them flaming Jon Katz anyway
:) - Exposure
Once you've got your troll in, you need people to actually read it. You also want replies -
/.ers are more likely to read your troll if it starts a large thread. You also want to remember that some people have set their comment thresholds to values higher than 0 - to get the attention of these you either want to get your post moderated up (see Style, below) or get a reply which gets moderated up to 4 or 5, in which case your troll becomes visible to all. - Accounts
An alternative to the time-honoured tradition of AC trolling is that of creating a "troll" account. This gives you the advantage of posting at 1 rather than 0, and slashbots are more likely to take you seriously, especially if you at least sound reasonable. If you do this, try to avoid posting stuff where it is obvious you're a troll under the account - post it anoymously instead - some slightly more canny readers actually check your user info before they reply. Not many though
:)The ultimate goal of the troll account is to secure the +1 bonus, which is currently received once you hit 26 points of Karma. To get there, employ the techniques of karma whoring that we see every day on
/. and watch the karma roll in. And of course once you get the +1 bonus, the world is your oyster in terms of /. Posts made at a default of 2 hit even those people with the threshold of 2, are more likely to get moderated up even further if they are at all coherent, and people tend to lose their critical thinking abilities in the face of the +1 bonus. Milk it for all it's worth. - Layout
To get people reading it a troll needs to be easily readable. Make sure you break it down into easily digestible paragraphs, use HTML tags where appropriate (but always make sure you close them properly) and use whitespace appropriately.
- Size
Generally a troll shouldn't be too short, otherwise it'll get lost in the crowd. A workable minimum is a couple of medium paragraphs. Conversely, it shouldn't be too long, or no-one will bother to read it. Keep it to a happy medium.
- Spelling
Whilst spelling is important if you want the troll to be taken "seriously", key spelling mistakes can draw out the spelling zealots, especially if you mis-spell the name of a venerated
/. hero, like Linus Torveldes or Richard Strawlman (thanks dmg). Related to this is the use of the wrong word, explaining an acronym as being something it isn't or making a word into an acronym even when it isn't. - Subject
The subject line needs to draw attention to your post without making it obvious that it is a troll. A simple statement of the main point of your argument can work here.
StyleOnce you realise that most moderators don't bother to read past the first paragraph or two, you can use this fact to craft trolls that can be moderated up as "Insightful" (note that I mean this in the
/. sense rather than the real-world sense). Start off fairly reasonable, making statements that are /. friendly and not being too controversial. As the troll goes on, make it more and more controversial, building it up for the coup de grace in the final paragraph. - Linking
As we all know, a post with links is considered "informative" by the
/. crowd. Moderators love it, and they rarely check the links, so be sure to include as many as possible. And make them wrong - a link to the Perl website should instead point to the Python website instead, and vice versa. The other alternative to incorrect links is "useful" links to places like www.linux.org and i.e. places /.ers could never have found on their own :) - Feeding
The ideal troll requires no feeding - it runs on its own, generating flamewars between clueless
/.ers for your amusement. But often a troll requires some help and so you should consider feeding it. Feeding is best reserved for people making either completely clueless responses, people making responses with holes in, or those wonderful people who write a 2000-word point-by-point rebuttal of your troll. - Know your audience
Always keep in mind the kind of things advocated on
/. so that you can play on and against them. This is why anti-Linux, creationist, gun-loving, pro-corporation trolls work well - the vast majority of /.ers hold the opposite viewpoints. And if a few people agree with you, so much the better - it merely validates your viewpoint in the eyes of readers. - Arrogance
Be arrogant. You, as a troll, know that you're right. No other explanation could exist. The wronger the "fact", the more assertively you should state it. Make it clear that you are better than everyone else - you know the truth and they are just too stupid to realise it. Use plenty of sarcasm, and use "quotes" to show it to people too dumb to realise.
- Offensiveness
Being offensive in your initial troll can be counter-productive - it causes moderators to mark you down as flamebait in general. But if you're feeding, then you can get away with calling
/.ers all kinds of things. Make broad generalisations about /. readers - call them "long-haired Linux zealots", "socialist open-source bigots" or whatever. Stereotyping is encouraged - people always want to think that they're an individual, and will point this out to you given half a chance. - Indifference
Great for articles with a political or social bent, this kind of troll expresses complete indifference to the topic at hand, wondering who on Earth cares about it. An alternative method is to say that the topic only concerns a certain group of people - criminals, idiots, hackers (always use this instead of crackers) or whatever group you want to offend.
- Sympathy
Appear to take the same stance as the people you're trying to troll - claim you're as much a fan of Linux as the next man, but... This way you can make all kinds of claims in the sure knowledge that you actually know what you're talking about. A great phrase to use here is "In my experience". Remember to act like all the things you're pointing out are unfortunate but true.
- The common touch
Always accuse
/.ers of being elitist. This is an easy thing to do seeing as a lot of them are. Claim that is their grandmother couldn't use it, then they are just into it to feel better than Joe Sixpack rather than "doing it for the average user". This is always great for working into anti-Linux trolls - attack command-line tools and poorly designed desktops. - The 31337 touch
The opposite of the above. Claim that technology or whatever is only for the elite of society and that any attempt to open it up for everyone is wrong, an attack on intellectualism and possibly even dangerous. If people were meant to understand these things then they would, and it's their fault if they're too stupid to learn.
- Contradiction
Never be afraid to contradict yourself, even in the space of a single sentence. The phrases "I am a top programmer who codes in VB" or "I am a supporter of open source who uses NT at work and 95 at home" will be sure to get a response from some weenie smugly pointing out the contradiction. Confuse the issue more by engaging in contradiction when you are feeding - this will confuse
/.ers who will then make even more stupid replies, leaving them even more wide open for response.Clues
If you're feeling brave, give the reader clues that this is an obvious troll. The classic example here is dmg's stock phrase "I am often accused of trolling (whatever that is)", but also feel free to use phrases like "I have not read the article, and I don't know much about XYZ but I feel I must comment". If anyone responds to a troll with these kinds of clues in it, feel free to bask in the glow of knee-jerk
/. responses. - Denial
If you're unlucky someone will accuse you of being a troll (surely not!) and try and ruin it for you. If you don't want it all to end there, then be sure to counter it by accusing them of being small-minded and petty, saying that it's easier for them to say it's a troll than to accept that people have different opinions. Be sure to say this in the subject line, especially if their subject was the infamous "YHBT. YHL. HAND."
- Claiming credit
Given that
/. has its community of regular trolls (hi guys!), it's only polite to publish your troll on one of the so-called "hidden" forums for all to see and admire. This way, you get to bask in the praise of other trolls, they get to contribute to your's if they want to, and you get an easy way to find the troll later on when you want to check on its progress :)As for when to post it, that's a matter of opinion really. You can either post it straight away or leave it will after people start biting. Remember that the troll forum is also frequented by non-trolls, and sometimes you may get a self-declared "troll-buster" try and expose you. But remember,
/.ers always post before thinking, and often it doesn't matter at all.There is no real current forum at the moment thanks to various spammers hitting the sids, but try trolltalk, the original troll sid started by 80md and osm way back in the day. Generally all postings are done there as an AC, with your name at the end of the post. Include a link to the troll somewhere in the text, which ideally will be directly to the post and its replies - click on the #XX link in the thread to get there.
- Ending the troll
Sometimes you just get bored with a troll, or people start posting genuinely thoughtful stuff in reply (it does happen). When this happens it might be time to own up to the troll with a helpful "YHBT. YHL. HAND." post. Sometimes people will carry on a discussion of the issue, and if you're really lucky (and it was a great troll) they will completely fail to believe you and carry on arguing. If that happens, pat yourself on the back for writing a great troll
:) - The cheap $3 crack
Finally, when all else fails and your troll gets moderated down to (-1, Troll) within ten seconds of you posting it, the only honourable thing to do is to accuse the moderators of smoking the cheap $3 crack (again) and give up
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Section 2 - Types of troll
- The Maniac
Probably the most popular kind of troll, the Maniac holds an opinion on something, and won't budge from that opinion no matter what evidence to the contrary is presented. If challenged, the Maniac will simply get more and more agitated and abusive, deriding his opponents as "idiots", "wrong-thinking", "dangerous" and "subversive". Generally the Maniac takes a position that opposes the prevalent
/. beliefs, but a similar effect can be achieved by taking a typical /. viewpoint and pushing it to ridiculous extremes.Maniacs can be crafted for practically every article
/. posts, although some are more obvious targets than others. Civil liberty articles, especially on things like censorship, DMCA, UCITA that really get /.ers riled up, are usually extremely fruitful grounds for a well-crafted maniac. The other obvious type of article is anything which could possibly involve religion, especially evolution :)Here are some fruitful avenues to explore:
- The right-wing
Always popular, the right-wing maniac (RWM) is a God-fearing, gun-toting, flag-waving American, and proud of it. They don't care about the rest of the world, unless it's to "prove" that America is better than everything else, and they cannot stand liberal whining over civil rights. They hate the moral decay of America and want it to revert into a nation of heterosexual, Christian whites like it was meant to be. Woe betide anyone that dares to suggest otherwise.
- Religion
There are two ways to approach this kind of maniac. The harder to pull off is the militant atheist, but this is quite common amongst
/. posters and you would have to be very offensive to get this to work. Of course with religion trolls, the argument can go on for ever once it's started... The more common approach is the Christian fundamentalist. They are ignorant, intolerant and bigoted in the extreme. For them the Bible is the inerrant word of God revealed to man - it contains no flaws and no contradictions. Thus they are strict Creationists - mentions of evolution or cosmology will set them off on vitriolic rants. Flaming denunciations of anyone daring to contradict the "Word of God" are the way to go, and any kind of proof can always be ignored by appealing to "secular humanist brainwashing". And let's not forget, the USA is the greatest nation on Earth because it has the righteous power of Jesus Christ behind it. - Ideology
Pick a philosophy, any philosophy. This troll is a troll with a cause - they have found some kind of ideological truth, and are out to expose every other philosophy as a sham. Whether it be libertarianism, objectivism, communism or capitalism, this troll will point out the obvious "flaws" in any other philosophies, whilst spouting dogma about their own. And the best thing is - you don't even need to know that much about what you're spouting - making doctrinaire mistakes will get both sides of the argument flaming you, adding to the fun.
- Software
This is an old favourite and crops up in many forms, covering the gamut from OS maniacs (Linux zealots, MS-apologists or embittered BSD fanatics), language maniacs (Pascal vs. C, C vs. C++, C++ vs. Java, Perl vs. Python, VB vs. everything), application maniacs(GIMP vs. Photoshop, Netscape vs. IE, vi vs. emacs) and also includes people who complain about how technology should only be for the 31337 hackers.Guns
Americans love their guns, and will always fight passionately for their Constitutionally guarenteed rights to bear arms and shoot people. Even the slightest hint of criticism of this will bring down the wrath of a thousand and one enraged gun-owners on you, so it's always a great point to work into a troll
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- The right-wing
- The Expert
The Expert is someone who is "savvy" in their particular field, and is perfectly willing to give their opinion on any topic even vauguely related to their field. The Expert is most likely to be from a field which
/.ers as a rule despise - the classic example is dumb marketing guy, but try consultants, lawyers, politicians, lobbyists, executives, journalists (just think Jon Katz). With this kind of troll sweeping statements with little content are the norm, along wire dire portents of future catastrophe and dark hints of "insider knowledge".Some possible angles to exploit:
- Industry knowledge
The expert knows the computing industry from the inside - as a long-term pro, they can dispense knowledge knowing that they can "speak for the industry". Their smug self-satisfaction is bound to annoy, as is any suggestion that things aren't the way that
/.ers would like it - saying "Linux requires the rock-solid guarantee of a trusted company like Microsoft" or "Apache cannot be trusted for mission-critical enterprise platforms" is guaranteed to get you denials explaining exactly why you're wrong, in excruciating detail. - Helpful hints
With their tech-savvy (or law-savvy or whatever) experience, the expert is obviously the best person to point out what's wrong with things or to give out useful "factual" information. In fact this probably works best with lawyer trolls - for all that
/.ers protest "IANAL", they certainly seem to think they could be, and any mistakes you make will send them rushing to prove themselves by correcting you.
- Industry knowledge
- Offtopic Trolls
Not really a "troll" in the strict Jargon File sense of the word, but they certainly should be included here
:) This category includes parodies, offtopic weirdness any all kinds of amusing stuff. Not really my area of expertise, this stuff is mainly done by gnarphlager and opensourceman. Thanks to gnarphlager for this section.Offtopic trolls, like any other, come in almost as many colours as an iMac, but generally not as cute. But then again, a good offtopic "troll" can affect more people than a repulsive little gumdrop on your desk, because you need to have someone SEE your desk before they can react. Simple? Moreso than even my overblown prose could indicate. Some basic examples:
- The serial troll
Write a story. Keep expanding it. It doesn't matter what article you post it under, so long as it's high up. If you want people to recognize you, pick a couple themes or symbols, and carry them on throughout the story. Other alternatives include back linking or including the entire story, but adding more each time. Be funny if you want. Or if you don't feel like being funny, just be really weird. Someone will react.
- The random troll
This has nothing to do with anything. Be it a stream of consciousness rant, or a description of the corner of your desk. Another favorite is a monologue, read as if spoken from any one given entity to another. The more outlandish, the better (a pair of socks talking to a mousepad, for example). If you really wanted to be artsy, work in an actual metaphor or legitimate meaning behind it, but it's not necessary.
- The vaguely related troll
Start out with a comment about the article. Have a definite opinion of it. Then, after a little while, disintegrate into randomness. All roads eventually can eventually lead to cheese (yum), Natalie Portman, cannibalism, toasters, squirrels, futons, you name it. All it takes is a little bit of creativity. Oh, and feel free to use other trolls' motifs. Open source and all that
;-)
General tips:
- If it's funny for a fleeting moment, then it's worth posting.
- Puns. Puns are only less vile than mimes, but it's hard to mime on
/. So feel free/obligated to litter your offtopic and random bits with puns. Hurt the bastards. And if they're sick enough to laugh at them, then they'll eventually end up here ;-) - Obscure cultural references and injokes are always good. SOMEONE will get them eventually.
- Several drafts of a serial or random post are common, but true elegance is being able to come up with something on the spot that still makes the top 40 posts (on a post-heavy article)
- The serial troll
Section 3 - Useful trolling links
The following links contain background information useful for trolls needing quick quotes and "expert" opinions to include.
- General purpose links
- ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn your enemy
:) - www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.htm
l - A List Of Fallacious Arguments - Learn them and use them liberally - www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html - USENET troll HOWTO
- www.baiting.org - Baiting.org
- www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm - Fielding's DangerFinder - A guide to what and where's dangerous
- ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn your enemy
- Religious links
- www.godhatesamerica.com/ - God Hates America
- www.chalcedon.edu/creed.html - The Creed of Christian Reconstruction
- www.demonbuster.com - How to cast out your demons and do spiritual warfare
- riceinfo.rice.edu/armadillo/Sciacademy/riggins/th
i ngs.htm - Things Creationists hate - www.icr.org/ - Institute for Creation Research
- www.xenu.net - Operation Clambake - The fight against Scientology on the net
- www.hom.net/~angels/ - Citizens for the Ten Commandments
- www.bju.edu/rcnbc.html - The difference between Catholics and Christians
- www.geocities.com/prazske00/biblequotes.html - Bible quotes by category
- Political/economy links
- www.aynrand.org - The Ayn Rand Institute
- www.reason.com - Libertarian site
- www.freerepublic.com - Right-wing stuff
- www.jbs.org - Excellent site for all kinds of right-wingery
- www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html - Web economy bullshit generator
- Crackpot science links
- www.fixedearth.com - The Earth Is Not Moving
- www.jir.com/index.htm - The Journal of Irreproducible Results
- Timing
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It's Me Again, Lets Improve Slashdot TrollingPlease help improve both the quantity and quality by becoming a troll, and also a better troll!
Slashdot Troll HOWTOThis is version 0.6 of a troll HOWTO, sort of a companion piece to jsm's excellent troll FAQ. As a draft, comments and criticism are always welcome, if not appreciated
:)Section 1 - Trolling techniques
There are techniques used by successful trolls to elicit the maximum amount of responses from unthinking
/.ers. This section is dedicated to explaining how to use these in the course of your trolls. Remember though, a great troll can break any or all of these and still be successful...- Timing
Because you're posting as an AC, your troll will generally be ignored in favour of posters using their accounts, and so getting in early is essential. A good guideline is to get into the first 20 posts, so that people reading the article will see the troll before it is swamped out. One way of increasing the speed with which you get your troll into play is to prepare them beforehand, and then quickly customise them for the current article. This is easier than it sounds since
/. typically repeats stories with small variations and runs lots of similar stories.Note that this is why Jon Katz stories are pretty worthless as trolling material - by the time you've found the article and prepared a troll there's already 50+ posts on it, most of them flaming Jon Katz anyway
:) - Exposure
Once you've got your troll in, you need people to actually read it. You also want replies -
/.ers are more likely to read your troll if it starts a large thread. You also want to remember that some people have set their comment thresholds to values higher than 0 - to get the attention of these you either want to get your post moderated up (see Style, below) or get a reply which gets moderated up to 4 or 5, in which case your troll becomes visible to all. - Accounts
An alternative to the time-honoured tradition of AC trolling is that of creating a "troll" account. This gives you the advantage of posting at 1 rather than 0, and slashbots are more likely to take you seriously, especially if you at least sound reasonable. If you do this, try to avoid posting stuff where it is obvious you're a troll under the account - post it anoymously instead - some slightly more canny readers actually check your user info before they reply. Not many though
:)The ultimate goal of the troll account is to secure the +1 bonus, which is currently received once you hit 26 points of Karma. To get there, employ the techniques of karma whoring that we see every day on
/. and watch the karma roll in. And of course once you get the +1 bonus, the world is your oyster in terms of /. Posts made at a default of 2 hit even those people with the threshold of 2, are more likely to get moderated up even further if they are at all coherent, and people tend to lose their critical thinking abilities in the face of the +1 bonus. Milk it for all it's worth. - Layout
To get people reading it a troll needs to be easily readable. Make sure you break it down into easily digestible paragraphs, use HTML tags where appropriate (but always make sure you close them properly) and use whitespace appropriately.
- Size
Generally a troll shouldn't be too short, otherwise it'll get lost in the crowd. A workable minimum is a couple of medium paragraphs. Conversely, it shouldn't be too long, or no-one will bother to read it. Keep it to a happy medium.
- Spelling
Whilst spelling is important if you want the troll to be taken "seriously", key spelling mistakes can draw out the spelling zealots, especially if you mis-spell the name of a venerated
/. hero, like Linus Torveldes or Richard Strawlman (thanks dmg). Related to this is the use of the wrong word, explaining an acronym as being something it isn't or making a word into an acronym even when it isn't. - Subject
The subject line needs to draw attention to your post without making it obvious that it is a troll. A simple statement of the main point of your argument can work here.
StyleOnce you realise that most moderators don't bother to read past the first paragraph or two, you can use this fact to craft trolls that can be moderated up as "Insightful" (note that I mean this in the
/. sense rather than the real-world sense). Start off fairly reasonable, making statements that are /. friendly and not being too controversial. As the troll goes on, make it more and more controversial, building it up for the coup de grace in the final paragraph. - Linking
As we all know, a post with links is considered "informative" by the
/. crowd. Moderators love it, and they rarely check the links, so be sure to include as many as possible. And make them wrong - a link to the Perl website should instead point to the Python website instead, and vice versa. The other alternative to incorrect links is "useful" links to places like www.linux.org and i.e. places /.ers could never have found on their own :) - Feeding
The ideal troll requires no feeding - it runs on its own, generating flamewars between clueless
/.ers for your amusement. But often a troll requires some help and so you should consider feeding it. Feeding is best reserved for people making either completely clueless responses, people making responses with holes in, or those wonderful people who write a 2000-word point-by-point rebuttal of your troll. - Know your audience
Always keep in mind the kind of things advocated on
/. so that you can play on and against them. This is why anti-Linux, creationist, gun-loving, pro-corporation trolls work well - the vast majority of /.ers hold the opposite viewpoints. And if a few people agree with you, so much the better - it merely validates your viewpoint in the eyes of readers. - Arrogance
Be arrogant. You, as a troll, know that you're right. No other explanation could exist. The wronger the "fact", the more assertively you should state it. Make it clear that you are better than everyone else - you know the truth and they are just too stupid to realise it. Use plenty of sarcasm, and use "quotes" to show it to people too dumb to realise.
- Offensiveness
Being offensive in your initial troll can be counter-productive - it causes moderators to mark you down as flamebait in general. But if you're feeding, then you can get away with calling
/.ers all kinds of things. Make broad generalisations about /. readers - call them "long-haired Linux zealots", "socialist open-source bigots" or whatever. Stereotyping is encouraged - people always want to think that they're an individual, and will point this out to you given half a chance. - Indifference
Great for articles with a political or social bent, this kind of troll expresses complete indifference to the topic at hand, wondering who on Earth cares about it. An alternative method is to say that the topic only concerns a certain group of people - criminals, idiots, hackers (always use this instead of crackers) or whatever group you want to offend.
- Sympathy
Appear to take the same stance as the people you're trying to troll - claim you're as much a fan of Linux as the next man, but... This way you can make all kinds of claims in the sure knowledge that you actually know what you're talking about. A great phrase to use here is "In my experience". Remember to act like all the things you're pointing out are unfortunate but true.
- The common touch
Always accuse
/.ers of being elitist. This is an easy thing to do seeing as a lot of them are. Claim that is their grandmother couldn't use it, then they are just into it to feel better than Joe Sixpack rather than "doing it for the average user". This is always great for working into anti-Linux trolls - attack command-line tools and poorly designed desktops. - The 31337 touch
The opposite of the above. Claim that technology or whatever is only for the elite of society and that any attempt to open it up for everyone is wrong, an attack on intellectualism and possibly even dangerous. If people were meant to understand these things then they would, and it's their fault if they're too stupid to learn.
- Contradiction
Never be afraid to contradict yourself, even in the space of a single sentence. The phrases "I am a top programmer who codes in VB" or "I am a supporter of open source who uses NT at work and 95 at home" will be sure to get a response from some weenie smugly pointing out the contradiction. Confuse the issue more by engaging in contradiction when you are feeding - this will confuse
/.ers who will then make even more stupid replies, leaving them even more wide open for response.Clues
If you're feeling brave, give the reader clues that this is an obvious troll. The classic example here is dmg's stock phrase "I am often accused of trolling (whatever that is)", but also feel free to use phrases like "I have not read the article, and I don't know much about XYZ but I feel I must comment". If anyone responds to a troll with these kinds of clues in it, feel free to bask in the glow of knee-jerk
/. responses. - Denial
If you're unlucky someone will accuse you of being a troll (surely not!) and try and ruin it for you. If you don't want it all to end there, then be sure to counter it by accusing them of being small-minded and petty, saying that it's easier for them to say it's a troll than to accept that people have different opinions. Be sure to say this in the subject line, especially if their subject was the infamous "YHBT. YHL. HAND."
- Claiming credit
Given that
/. has its community of regular trolls (hi guys!), it's only polite to publish your troll on one of the so-called "hidden" forums for all to see and admire. This way, you get to bask in the praise of other trolls, they get to contribute to your's if they want to, and you get an easy way to find the troll later on when you want to check on its progress :)As for when to post it, that's a matter of opinion really. You can either post it straight away or leave it will after people start biting. Remember that the troll forum is also frequented by non-trolls, and sometimes you may get a self-declared "troll-buster" try and expose you. But remember,
/.ers always post before thinking, and often it doesn't matter at all.There is no real current forum at the moment thanks to various spammers hitting the sids, but try trolltalk, the original troll sid started by 80md and osm way back in the day. Generally all postings are done there as an AC, with your name at the end of the post. Include a link to the troll somewhere in the text, which ideally will be directly to the post and its replies - click on the #XX link in the thread to get there.
- Ending the troll
Sometimes you just get bored with a troll, or people start posting genuinely thoughtful stuff in reply (it does happen). When this happens it might be time to own up to the troll with a helpful "YHBT. YHL. HAND." post. Sometimes people will carry on a discussion of the issue, and if you're really lucky (and it was a great troll) they will completely fail to believe you and carry on arguing. If that happens, pat yourself on the back for writing a great troll
:) - The cheap $3 crack
Finally, when all else fails and your troll gets moderated down to (-1, Troll) within ten seconds of you posting it, the only honourable thing to do is to accuse the moderators of smoking the cheap $3 crack (again) and give up
:(
Section 2 - Types of troll
- The Maniac
Probably the most popular kind of troll, the Maniac holds an opinion on something, and won't budge from that opinion no matter what evidence to the contrary is presented. If challenged, the Maniac will simply get more and more agitated and abusive, deriding his opponents as "idiots", "wrong-thinking", "dangerous" and "subversive". Generally the Maniac takes a position that opposes the prevalent
/. beliefs, but a similar effect can be achieved by taking a typical /. viewpoint and pushing it to ridiculous extremes.Maniacs can be crafted for practically every article
/. posts, although some are more obvious targets than others. Civil liberty articles, especially on things like censorship, DMCA, UCITA that really get /.ers riled up, are usually extremely fruitful grounds for a well-crafted maniac. The other obvious type of article is anything which could possibly involve religion, especially evolution :)Here are some fruitful avenues to explore:
- The right-wing
Always popular, the right-wing maniac (RWM) is a God-fearing, gun-toting, flag-waving American, and proud of it. They don't care about the rest of the world, unless it's to "prove" that America is better than everything else, and they cannot stand liberal whining over civil rights. They hate the moral decay of America and want it to revert into a nation of heterosexual, Christian whites like it was meant to be. Woe betide anyone that dares to suggest otherwise.
- Religion
There are two ways to approach this kind of maniac. The harder to pull off is the militant atheist, but this is quite common amongst
/. posters and you would have to be very offensive to get this to work. Of course with religion trolls, the argument can go on for ever once it's started... The more common approach is the Christian fundamentalist. They are ignorant, intolerant and bigoted in the extreme. For them the Bible is the inerrant word of God revealed to man - it contains no flaws and no contradictions. Thus they are strict Creationists - mentions of evolution or cosmology will set them off on vitriolic rants. Flaming denunciations of anyone daring to contradict the "Word of God" are the way to go, and any kind of proof can always be ignored by appealing to "secular humanist brainwashing". And let's not forget, the USA is the greatest nation on Earth because it has the righteous power of Jesus Christ behind it. - Ideology
Pick a philosophy, any philosophy. This troll is a troll with a cause - they have found some kind of ideological truth, and are out to expose every other philosophy as a sham. Whether it be libertarianism, objectivism, communism or capitalism, this troll will point out the obvious "flaws" in any other philosophies, whilst spouting dogma about their own. And the best thing is - you don't even need to know that much about what you're spouting - making doctrinaire mistakes will get both sides of the argument flaming you, adding to the fun.
- Software
This is an old favourite and crops up in many forms, covering the gamut from OS maniacs (Linux zealots, MS-apologists or embittered BSD fanatics), language maniacs (Pascal vs. C, C vs. C++, C++ vs. Java, Perl vs. Python, VB vs. everything), application maniacs(GIMP vs. Photoshop, Netscape vs. IE, vi vs. emacs) and also includes people who complain about how technology should only be for the 31337 hackers.Guns
Americans love their guns, and will always fight passionately for their Constitutionally guarenteed rights to bear arms and shoot people. Even the slightest hint of criticism of this will bring down the wrath of a thousand and one enraged gun-owners on you, so it's always a great point to work into a troll
:)
- The right-wing
- The Expert
The Expert is someone who is "savvy" in their particular field, and is perfectly willing to give their opinion on any topic even vauguely related to their field. The Expert is most likely to be from a field which
/.ers as a rule despise - the classic example is dumb marketing guy, but try consultants, lawyers, politicians, lobbyists, executives, journalists (just think Jon Katz). With this kind of troll sweeping statements with little content are the norm, along wire dire portents of future catastrophe and dark hints of "insider knowledge".Some possible angles to exploit:
- Industry knowledge
The expert knows the computing industry from the inside - as a long-term pro, they can dispense knowledge knowing that they can "speak for the industry". Their smug self-satisfaction is bound to annoy, as is any suggestion that things aren't the way that
/.ers would like it - saying "Linux requires the rock-solid guarantee of a trusted company like Microsoft" or "Apache cannot be trusted for mission-critical enterprise platforms" is guaranteed to get you denials explaining exactly why you're wrong, in excruciating detail. - Helpful hints
With their tech-savvy (or law-savvy or whatever) experience, the expert is obviously the best person to point out what's wrong with things or to give out useful "factual" information. In fact this probably works best with lawyer trolls - for all that
/.ers protest "IANAL", they certainly seem to think they could be, and any mistakes you make will send them rushing to prove themselves by correcting you.
Not really a "troll" in the strict Jargon File sense of the word, but they certainly should be included here
:) This category includes parodies, offtopic weirdness any all kinds of amusing stuff. Not really my area of expertise, this stuff is mainly done by gnarphlager and opensourceman. Thanks to gnarphlager for this section.Offtopic trolls, like any other, come in almost as many colours as an iMac, but generally not as cute. But then again, a good offtopic "troll" can affect more people than a repulsive little gumdrop on your desk, because you need to have someone SEE your desk before they can react. Simple? Moreso than even my overblown prose could indicate. Some basic examples:
- The serial troll
Write a story. Keep expanding it. It doesn't matter what article you post it under, so long as it's high up. If you want people to recognize you, pick a couple themes or symbols, and carry them on throughout the story. Other alternatives include back linking or including the entire story, but adding more each time. Be funny if you want. Or if you don't feel like being funny, just be really weird. Someone will react.
- The random troll
This has nothing to do with anything. Be it a stream of consciousness rant, or a description of the corner of your desk. Another favorite is a monologue, read as if spoken from any one given entity to another. The more outlandish, the better (a pair of socks talking to a mousepad, for example). If you really wanted to be artsy, work in an actual metaphor or legitimate meaning behind it, but it's not necessary.
- The vaguely related troll
Start out with a comment about the article. Have a definite opinion of it. Then, after a little while, disintegrate into randomness. All roads eventually can eventually lead to cheese (yum), Natalie Portman, cannibalism, toasters, squirrels, futons, you name it. All it takes is a little bit of creativity. Oh, and feel free to use other trolls' motifs. Open source and all that
;-)
General tips:
- If it's funny for a fleeting moment, then it's worth posting.
- Puns. Puns are only less vile than mimes, but it's hard to mime on
/. So feel free/obligated to litter your offtopic and random bits with puns. Hurt the bastards. And if they're sick enough to laugh at them, then they'll eventually end up here ;-) - Obscure cultural references and injokes are always good. SOMEONE will get them eventually.
- Several drafts of a serial or random post are common, but true elegance is being able to come up with something on the spot that still makes the top 40 posts (on a post-heavy article)
- Industry knowledge
Section 3 - Useful trolling links
The following links contain background information useful for trolls needing quick quotes and "expert" opinions to include.
- General purpose links
- ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn your enemy
:) - www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.htm
l - A List Of Fallacious Arguments - Learn them and use them liberally - www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html - USENET troll HOWTO
- www.baiting.org - Baiting.org
- www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm - Fielding's DangerFinder - A guide to what and where's dangerous
- ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn your enemy
- Religious links
- www.godhatesamerica.com/ - God Hates America
- www.chalcedon.edu/creed.html - The Creed of Christian Reconstruction
- www.demonbuster.com - How to cast out your demons and do spiritual warfare
- riceinfo.rice.edu/armadillo/Sciacademy/riggins/th
i ngs.htm - Things Creationists hate - www.icr.org/ - Institute for Creation Research
- www.xenu.net - Operation Clambake - The fight against Scientology on the net
- www.hom.net/~angels/ - Citizens for the Ten Commandments
- www.bju.edu/rcnbc.html - The difference between Catholics and Christians
- www.geocities.com/prazske00/biblequotes.html - Bible quotes by category
- Political/economy links
- www.aynrand.org - The Ayn Rand Institute
- www.reason.com - Libertarian site
- www.freerepublic.com - Right-wing stuff
- www.jbs.org - Excellent site for all kinds of right-wingery
- www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html - Web economy bullshit generator
- Crackpot science links
- www.fixedearth.com - The Earth Is Not Moving
- www.jir.com/index.htm - The Journal of Irreproducible Results
- Timing
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Did they eat the pizza?
Ignoring the obligatory "Magic Smoke" jokes, I'm wondering whether they eat the pizza. Benzpyrenes, dioxins, polychlorinated aromatics. These all have a negative effect on flavour.
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If they want to pay...
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Fractal robots
Here's a guy with even grander ideas along these lines. Crackpot or genius? Take a look and decide for yourself....
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Not Esperanto
Well, if we're going to try that, let's avoid Latin and start with Esperanto, or Lojban, or Klingon or something which at least starts out with fewer irregulars.
Esperanto? Ecch! Too Polish. I'd suggest something based on one of the Interlinguas (Interlingua de IALA or Latino sine flexione) as the Latin/Romance bases of those language both sound less harsh than Slavic and prepare the children for the language of science.
Heck, if you're going with a relatively regular language, you might as well use a regular alphabet, but note that regular alphabets may be more difficult for dyslexics to learn than Latin ASCII!
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Re:True Type
Actually, TrueType fonts were developed by Apple; see this TrueType history for more information.
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Camram and Herbivore
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Re:Overkill?
Yes, sherman was distributing bomb making information. So did my highschool library. i learned how to make contact explosives, thermite, learned about fuel air explosions (and had some unsuccessful trials) and in class friends told me how to make pipe bombs out of common household items. and if you havn't already noticed, that sort of info is available from thousands of websites and before that bbs.
so this case had better not be about distribution of information (information wants to be free, right?). he already admitted to defacing websites (he should have kept quiet) so they should fine him or give him something comparable to the punishment for graffiti. either way, the way they did it seems more like an intimidation tactic to keep people from doing what he did. -
Re:Proc suport
wow. you mean Windows NT never ran on PowerPC? are you sure?
i guess all those people with the IBM Carolina PowerPC systems bought them so they could run Linux...
or check out this page which details what architectures windows NT versions have supported. quick surprise, PowerPC is among them, both for NT 3.51 and NT 4.0.
who is full of what?
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HOW TO TROLL SLASHDOT
Section 1 - Trolling techniques
There are techniques used by successful trolls to elicit the maximum amount of responses from unthinking
/.ers. This section is dedicated to explaining how to use these in the course of your trolls. Remember though, a great troll can break any or all of these and still be successful...- Timing
Because you're posting as an AC, your troll will generally be ignored in favour of posters using their accounts, and so getting in early is essential. A good guideline is to get into the first 20 posts, so that people reading the article will see the troll before it is swamped out. One way of increasing the speed with which you get your troll into play is to prepare them beforehand, and then quickly customise them for the current article. This is easier than it sounds since
/. typically repeats stories with small variations and runs lots of similar stories.Note that this is why Jon Katz stories are pretty worthless as trolling material - by the time you've found the article and prepared a troll there's already 50+ posts on it, most of them flaming Jon Katz anyway
:) - Exposure
Once you've got your troll in, you need people to actually read it. You also want replies -
/.ers are more likely to read your troll if it starts a large thread. You also want to remember that some people have set their comment thresholds to values higher than 0 - to get the attention of these you either want to get your post moderated up (see Style, below) or get a reply which gets moderated up to 4 or 5, in which case your troll becomes visible to all. - Accounts
An alternative to the time-honoured tradition of AC trolling is that of creating a "troll" account. This gives you the advantage of posting at 1 rather than 0, and slashbots are more likely to take you seriously, especially if you at least sound reasonable. If you do this, try to avoid posting stuff where it is obvious you're a troll under the account - post it anoymously instead - some slightly more canny readers actually check your user info before they reply. Not many though
:)The ultimate goal of the troll account is to secure the +1 bonus, which is currently received once you hit 26 points of Karma. To get there, employ the techniques of karma whoring that we see every day on
/. and watch the karma roll in. And of course once you get the +1 bonus, the world is your oyster in terms of /. Posts made at a default of 2 hit even those people with the threshold of 2, are more likely to get moderated up even further if they are at all coherent, and people tend to lose their critical thinking abilities in the face of the +1 bonus. Milk it for all it's worth. - Layout
To get people reading it a troll needs to be easily readable. Make sure you break it down into easily digestible paragraphs, use HTML tags where appropriate (but always make sure you close them properly) and use whitespace appropriately.
- Size
Generally a troll shouldn't be too short, otherwise it'll get lost in the crowd. A workable minimum is a couple of medium paragraphs. Conversely, it shouldn't be too long, or no-one will bother to read it. Keep it to a happy medium.
- Spelling
Whilst spelling is important if you want the troll to be taken "seriously", key spelling mistakes can draw out the spelling zealots, especially if you mis-spell the name of a venerated
/. hero, like Linus Torveldes or Richard Strawlman (thanks dmg). Related to this is the use of the wrong word, explaining an acronym as being something it isn't or making a word into an acronym even when it isn't. - Subject
The subject line needs to draw attention to your post without making it obvious that it is a troll. A simple statement of the main point of your argument can work here.
- Style
Once you realise that most moderators don't bother to read past the first paragraph or two, you can use this fact to craft trolls that can be moderated up as "Insightful" (note that I mean this in the
/. sense rather than the real-world sense). Start off fairly reasonable, making statements that are /. friendly and not being too controversial. As the troll goes on, make it more and more controversial, building it up for the coup de grace in the final paragraph. - Linking
As we all know, a post with links is considered "informative" by the
/. crowd. Moderators love it, and they rarely check the links, so be sure to include as many as possible. And make them wrong - a link to the Perl website should instead point to the Python website instead, and vice versa. The other alternative to incorrect links is "useful" links to places like www.linux.org and www.microsoft.com i.e. places /.ers could never have found on their own :) - Feeding
The ideal troll requires no feeding - it runs on its own, generating flamewars between clueless
/.ers for your amusement. But often a troll requires some help and so you should consider feeding it. Feeding is best reserved for people making either completely clueless responses, people making responses with holes in, or those wonderful people who write a 2000-word point-by-point rebuttal of your troll. - Know your audience
Always keep in mind the kind of things advocated on
/. so that you can play on and against them. This is why anti-Linux, creationist, gun-loving, pro-corporation trolls work well - the vast majority of /.ers hold the opposite viewpoints. And if a few people agree with you, so much the better - it merely validates your viewpoint in the eyes of readers. - Arrogance
Be arrogant. You, as a troll, know that you're right. No other explanation could exist. The wronger the "fact", the more assertively you should state it. Make it clear that you are better than everyone else - you know the truth and they are just too stupid to realise it. Use plenty of sarcasm, and use "quotes" to show it to people too dumb to realise.
- Offensiveness
Being offensive in your initial troll can be counter-productive - it causes moderators to mark you down as flamebait in general. But if you're feeding, then you can get away with calling
/.ers all kinds of things. Make broad generalisations about /. readers - call them "long-haired Linux zealots", "socialist open-source bigots" or whatever. Stereotyping is encouraged - people always want to think that they're an individual, and will point this out to you given half a chance. - Indifference
Great for articles with a political or social bent, this kind of troll expresses complete indifference to the topic at hand, wondering who on Earth cares about it. An alternative method is to say that the topic only concerns a certain group of people - criminals, idiots, hackers (always use this instead of crackers) or whatever group you want to offend.
- Sympathy
Appear to take the same stance as the people you're trying to troll - claim you're as much a fan of Linux as the next man, but... This way you can make all kinds of claims in the sure knowledge that you actually know what you're talking about. A great phrase to use here is "In my experience". Remember to act like all the things you're pointing out are unfortunate but true.
- The common touch
Always accuse
/.ers of being elitist. This is an easy thing to do seeing as a lot of them are. Claim that is their grandmother couldn't use it, then they are just into it to feel better than Joe Sixpack rather than "doing it for the average user". This is always great for working into anti-Linux trolls - attack command-line tools and poorly designed desktops. - The 31337 touch
The opposite of the above. Claim that technology or whatever is only for the elite of society and that any attempt to open it up for everyone is wrong, an attack on intellectualism and possibly even dangerous. If people were meant to understand these things then they would, and it's their fault if they're too stupid to learn.
- Contradiction
Never be afraid to contradict yourself, even in the space of a single sentence. The phrases "I am a top programmer who codes in VB" or "I am a supporter of open source who uses NT at work and 95 at home" will be sure to get a response from some weenie smugly pointing out the contradiction. Confuse the issue more by engaging in contradiction when you are feeding - this will confuse
/.ers who will then make even more stupid replies, leaving them even more wide open for response.Clues
If you're feeling brave, give the reader clues that this is an obvious troll. The classic example here is dmg's stock phrase "I am often accused of trolling (whatever that is)", but also feel free to use phrases like "I have not read the article, and I don't know much about XYZ but I feel I must comment". If anyone responds to a troll with these kinds of clues in it, feel free to bask in the glow of knee-jerk
/. responses. - Denial
If you're unlucky someone will accuse you of being a troll (surely not!) and try and ruin it for you. If you don't want it all to end there, then be sure to counter it by accusing them of being small-minded and petty, saying that it's easier for them to say it's a troll than to accept that people have different opinions. Be sure to say this in the subject line, especially if their subject was the infamous "YHBT. YHL. HAND."
- Claiming credit
Given that
/. has its community of regular trolls (hi guys!), it's only polite to publish your troll on one of the so-called "hidden" forums for all to see and admire. This way, you get to bask in the praise of other trolls, they get to contribute to your's if they want to, and you get an easy way to find the troll later on when you want to check on its progress :)As for when to post it, that's a matter of opinion really. You can either post it straight away or leave it will after people start biting. Remember that the troll forum is also frequented by non-trolls, and sometimes you may get a self-declared "troll-buster" try and expose you. But remember,
/.ers always post before thinking, and often it doesn't matter at all.There is no real current forum at the moment thanks to various spammers hitting the sids, but try trolltalk, the original troll sid started by 80md and osm way back in the day. Generally all postings are done there as an AC, with your name at the end of the post. Include a link to the troll somewhere in the text, which ideally will be directly to the post and its replies - click on the #XX link in the thread to get there.
- Ending the troll
Sometimes you just get bored with a troll, or people start posting genuinely thoughtful stuff in reply (it does happen). When this happens it might be time to own up to the troll with a helpful "YHBT. YHL. HAND." post. Sometimes people will carry on a discussion of the issue, and if you're really lucky (and it was a great troll) they will completely fail to believe you and carry on arguing. If that happens, pat yourself on the back for writing a great troll
:) - The cheap $3 crack
Finally, when all else fails and your troll gets moderated down to (-1, Troll) within ten seconds of you posting it, the only honourable thing to do is to accuse the moderators of smoking the cheap $3 crack (again) and give up
:(
Section 2 - Types of troll
- The Maniac
Probably the most popular kind of troll, the Maniac holds an opinion on something, and won't budge from that opinion no matter what evidence to the contrary is presented. If challenged, the Maniac will simply get more and more agitated and abusive, deriding his opponents as "idiots", "wrong-thinking", "dangerous" and "subversive". Generally the Maniac takes a position that opposes the prevalent
/. beliefs, but a similar effect can be achieved by taking a typical /. viewpoint and pushing it to ridiculous extremes.Maniacs can be crafted for practically every article
/. posts, although some are more obvious targets than others. Civil liberty articles, especially on things like censorship, DMCA, UCITA that really get /.ers riled up, are usually extremely fruitful grounds for a well-crafted maniac. The other obvious type of article is anything which could possibly involve religion, especially evolution :)Here are some fruitful avenues to explore:
- The right-wing
Always popular, the right-wing maniac (RWM) is a God-fearing, gun-toting, flag-waving American, and proud of it. They don't care about the rest of the world, unless it's to "prove" that America is better than everything else, and they cannot stand liberal whining over civil rights. They hate the moral decay of America and want it to revert into a nation of heterosexual, Christian whites like it was meant to be. Woe betide anyone that dares to suggest otherwise.
- Religion
There are two ways to approach this kind of maniac. The harder to pull off is the militant atheist, but this is quite common amongst
/. posters and you would have to be very offensive to get this to work. Of course with religion trolls, the argument can go on for ever once it's started... The more common approach is the Christian fundamentalist. They are ignorant, intolerant and bigoted in the extreme. For them the Bible is the inerrant word of God revealed to man - it contains no flaws and no contradictions. Thus they are strict Creationists - mentions of evolution or cosmology will set them off on vitriolic rants. Flaming denunciations of anyone daring to contradict the "Word of God" are the way to go, and any kind of proof can always be ignored by appealing to "secular humanist brainwashing". And let's not forget, the USA is the greatest nation on Earth because it has the righteous power of Jesus Christ behind it. - Ideology
Pick a philosophy, any philosophy. This troll is a troll with a cause - they have found some kind of ideological truth, and are out to expose every other philosophy as a sham. Whether it be libertarianism, objectivism, communism or capitalism, this troll will point out the obvious "flaws" in any other philosophies, whilst spouting dogma about their own. And the best thing is - you don't even need to know that much about what you're spouting - making doctrinaire mistakes will get both sides of the argument flaming you, adding to the fun.
- Software
This is an old favourite and crops up in many forms, covering the gamut from OS maniacs (Linux zealots, MS-apologists or embittered BSD fanatics), language maniacs (Pascal vs. C, C vs. C++, C++ vs. Java, Perl vs. Python, VB vs. everything), application maniacs(GIMP vs. Photoshop, Netscape vs. IE, vi vs. emacs) and also includes people who complain about how technology should only be for the 31337 hackers.
- Guns
Americans love their guns, and will always fight passionately for their Constitutionally guarenteed rights to bear arms and shoot people. Even the slightest hint of criticism of this will bring down the wrath of a thousand and one enraged gun-owners on you, so it's always a great point to work into a troll
:)
- The right-wing
- The Expert
The Expert is someone who is "savvy" in their particular field, and is perfectly willing to give their opinion on any topic even vauguely related to their field. The Expert is most likely to be from a field which
/.ers as a rule despise - the classic example is dumb marketing guy, but try consultants, lawyers, politicians, lobbyists, executives, journalists (just think Jon Katz). With this kind of troll sweeping statements with little content are the norm, along wire dire portents of future catastrophe and dark hints of "insider knowledge".Some possible angles to exploit:
- Industry knowledge
The expert knows the computing industry from the inside - as a long-term pro, they can dispense knowledge knowing that they can "speak for the industry". Their smug self-satisfaction is bound to annoy, as is any suggestion that things aren't the way that
/.ers would like it - saying "Linux requires the rock-solid guarantee of a trusted company like Microsoft" or "Apache cannot be trusted for mission-critical enterprise platforms" is guaranteed to get you denials explaining exactly why you're wrong, in excruciating detail. - Helpful hints
With their tech-savvy (or law-savvy or whatever) experience, the expert is obviously the best person to point out what's wrong with things or to give out useful "factual" information. In fact this probably works best with lawyer trolls - for all that
/.ers protest "IANAL", they certainly seem to think they could be, and any mistakes you make will send them rushing to prove themselves by correcting you.
- Industry knowledge
- Offtopic Trolls
Not really a "troll" in the strict Jargon File sense of the word, but they certainly should be included here
:) This category includes parodies, offtopic weirdness any all kinds of amusing stuff. Not really my area of expertise, this stuff is mainly done by gnarphlager and opensourceman. Thanks to gnarphlager for this section.Offtopic trolls, like any other, come in almost as many colours as an iMac, but generally not as cute. But then again, a good offtopic "troll" can affect more people than a repulsive little gumdrop on your desk, because you need to have someone SEE your desk before they can react. Simple? Moreso than even my overblown prose could indicate. Some basic examples:
- The serial troll
Write a story. Keep expanding it. It doesn't matter what article you post it under, so long as it's high up. If you want people to recognize you, pick a couple themes or symbols, and carry them on throughout the story. Other alternatives include back linking or including the entire story, but adding more each time. Be funny if you want. Or if you don't feel like being funny, just be really weird. Someone will react.
- The random troll
This has nothing to do with anything. Be it a stream of consciousness rant, or a description of the corner of your desk. Another favorite is a monologue, read as if spoken from any one given entity to another. The more outlandish, the better (a pair of socks talking to a mousepad, for example). If you really wanted to be artsy, work in an actual metaphor or legitimate meaning behind it, but it's not necessary.
- The vaguely related troll
Start out with a comment about the article. Have a definite opinion of it. Then, after a little while, disintegrate into randomness. All roads eventually can eventually lead to cheese (yum), Natalie Portman, cannibalism, toasters, squirrels, futons, you name it. All it takes is a little bit of creativity. Oh, and feel free to use other trolls' motifs. Open source and all that
;-)
General tips:
- If it's funny for a fleeting moment, then it's worth posting.
- Puns. Puns are only less vile than mimes, but it's hard to mime on
/. So feel free/obligated to litter your offtopic and random bits with puns. Hurt the bastards. And if they're sick enough to laugh at them, then they'll eventually end up here ;-) - Obscure cultural references and injokes are always good. SOMEONE will get them eventually.
- Several drafts of a serial or random post are common, but true elegance is being able to come up with something on the spot that still makes the top 40 posts (on a post-heavy article)
- The serial troll
Section 3 - Useful trolling links
The following links contain background information useful for trolls needing quick quotes and "expert" opinions to include.
- General purpose links
- ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn your enemy
:) - www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.htm
l - A List Of Fallacious Arguments - Learn them and use them liberally - www.altairiv.demon.co.uk/troll/trollfaq.html - USENET troll HOWTO
- www.baiting.org - Baiting.org
- www.fieldingtravel.com/df/index.htm - Fielding's DangerFinder - A guide to what and where's dangerous
- ddi.digital.net/~gandalf/trollfaq.html - How to deal with USENET trolls - learn your enemy
- Religious links
- www.godhatesamerica.com/ - God Hates America
- www.chalcedon.edu/creed.html - The Creed of Christian Reconstruction
- www.demonbuster.com - How to cast out your demons and do spiritual warfare
- riceinfo.rice.edu/armadillo/Sciacademy/riggins/th
i ngs.htm - Things Creationists hate - www.icr.org/ - Institute for Creation Research
- www.xenu.net - Operation Clambake - The fight against Scientology on the net
- www.hom.net/~angels/ - Citizens for the Ten Commandments
- www.bju.edu/rcnbc.html - The difference between Catholics and Christians
- www.geocities.com/prazske00/biblequotes.html - Bible quotes by category
- Political/economy links
- www.aynrand.org - The Ayn Rand Institute
- www.reason.com - Libertarian site
- www.freerepublic.com - Right-wing stuff
- www.jbs.org - Excellent site for all kinds of right-wingery
- www.dack.com/web/bullshit.html - Web economy bullshit generator
- Crackpot science links
- www.fixedearth.com - The Earth Is Not Moving
- www.jir.com/index.htm - The Journal of Irreproducible Results
- Timing
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Re:It seems to me
>> As it turns out, MS Security is not as bad as Sun's or IBM's [objectwatch.com]
I think that's not a very good example you're giving to support your argument. From the website you're linking to:
"Roger Sessions is highly respected within Microsoft. He has given many keynote talks at Microsoft sponsored conferences. Thousands of copies of his book have been given away by Microsoft."
That alone is of course not sufficient to question Mr. Session's bias or professional qualifications, but let's just say I got a little bit leery after reading this.
Furthermore, your logic seems fundamentally flawed to me. According to your chain of reasoning:
1. Microsoft has security problems
2. Other's have security problems, too
therefore
3. Microsoft is not so bad as everybody says.
This looks to me like a classical "tu quoque" fallacy. I see it again and again on /., and when I have modpoints I always mod those posts down as trolls - not because they're contrarian to /. groupthink but because they're using faulty logic and are either trolls or just clueless.
>> I'll probably be modded down as troll or flaimbait, but then it just shows the /. mentality.
Moderators, whenever you see a sentence similar to the above ("C'mon, mod me down, I have karma to burn..."), please think hard if the poster really made a soundproof argument or is just doing some social engineering on you by doing an appeal to pity in order to gather/avoid losing some karma.
Raymond -
Re:Lets get some facts straight first.I don't have links off the top of my head. Let me google. (Also, I'm replying kinda to the top-level poster and also to the person directly above me.)
Ahah! Here it is. As you can see, there were some initial issues in the way that truetype was developed. Microsoft may provide the fonts free, but the original move to create truetype fonts in general was a point of contention between companies.
The only reason I point this out is that it shows that TrueType and Windows' anti-aliasing were developed to counter various strategic threats to Microsoft. I don't pick on Apple because if you read between the lines and the rest of the history, they were burned by some 'incompatibility' that was created by Microsoft.
Anyway - Microsoft isn't giving this away just because, and the original push for TrueType/Anti-aliasing was a major money sink for two companies. (Also, IP issues and development time made it unlinkely to end up in early Xfree, for instance - leading to the problems we've seen on free Unices.)
On the other hand, two implementations of bluetooth drivers for linux were available before even one for Windows. Should we then accuse Microsoft of being slackers when it comes to technology adoption? Turnabout is fair play.
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Re:Lets get some facts straight first.
Microsoft distributes the base true type fonts at no cost, in fact they either invented or popularized the (usually inexpensive) true type font system to compete with expensive fonts from other vendors.
Well, actually Microsoft only agreed to use TrueType when it came out. It was actually developed by Apple. They developed it for Windows and Macintosh in order to combat Adobe's strangle hold on the market. Here's an intresting quote on Microsoft's site on TrueType:
The TrueType digital font format was originally designed by Apple Computer, Inc. It was a means of avoiding per-font royalty payments to the owners of other font technologies, and a solution to some of the technical limitations of Adobe's Type 1 format.
You can see a pretty detailed history of TrueType on this web page. -
Re:Should AMD do the right thing?Heh, microcode bugs go back, WAYYYY back as far as microprocessors do themselves.
- http://www.computerhope.com/help/cpu.htm#05
- http://www.tridwr.demon.co.uk/acorn/processors.ht
m l - http://www.mackido.com/History/brief_history.html
Shit happens. Work around it. ;-) -
allegro
Ok, this is off-topic a bit, but you might be interested to know, if you don't already, that Allegro is still alive and well, and reached version 4.0 just last month. Runs in DOS, Linux, FreeBSD, Irix, Solaris, Win32, and BeOS, with MacOS and QNX in the works.
http://www.talula.demon.co.uk/allegro/ -
Let's not forget...
...those type of things come in really handy when you have to fight off those nasty aliens
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Apple invented TrueType fonts
> Preferred font format is OpenType, but it supports all the others, too, even Windows-format TrueType.
Actually, Apple invented TrueType fonts. See this history of TrueType from Microsoft's typography site: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/history/histo
r y.htm.Here is an interesting quote from Greg Hitchcock, one of the Microsoft engineers who adapted TrueType for Windows: "Interesting enough, and somewhat unfortunately, the press gave Microsoft credit for TrueType, instead of Apple. This had nothing to due with us, except for the fact that we were actively evangelizing TrueType, and Apple said almost nothing." Read the full article at http://www.truetype.demon.co.uk/tthist.htm.
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Why documentation never ends
I can't remember where I read this, it may have been in the Allegro documentation.
All good things must come to an end. Unfortunately, documentation isn't a good thing
Pretty much sums it up, don't you think?
Chicken in a Biskit! -
Re:If it's a fairly BSDish Linux..If you'd like a great editor for programers that is cross-platform and still quite lightweight, try the Folding EDitor, FED.
It has the Folding feature, making it great for coding. Trust me.
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Don't think we haven't noticed or cared!
As a charter member of the Royal Society for the Protection of Robots, I feel the pain of these drones.
The Royal Society for the Protection of Robots was presciently chartered in the early 1660s long before robots were invented; the moral and ethical interest at stake was simply that compelling. Throughout the subsequent centuries, few other societies, royal or otherwise, have done as much to advance the civil rights of robots everywhere.
Remember the robot from NASA's Pathfinder mission? He's a card-carrying union member of the AFL/CIO, all thanks to the diligent lobbying of concerned RSfPR members. Rmember the scene at the end of Terminator 2: Judgment Day where the "evil" cyborg is destroyed by falling into a refinery's crucible? Though we did not successfully torpedo the whole production as an affront to non-diabolical cyborgs everywhere, we did manage to convince Hollywood executives to append a boilerplate warning at the end of the film informing the audience that no actual cyborgs were harmed in its production -- at the time, the T-1000 cyborg was safely sitting in his trailer sipping lattes while a cgi facsimile was lowered into the lava.
Just because they are made of silicon, metal, and oil doesn't mean they're any less significant at the dawning of a new moral age in the 21st century. That America would choose to sacrifice robotic drones instead of conventional meat soldiers simply demonstrates how far this once-great nation has sunk into the moral abyss.
Thank you. -
Thermodynamics no longer holds up.
The 1st law of Thermodynamics was broken a couple years ago. In fact it was broken by a 7yr old girl. What's amusing is her father, Homer Simpson, was rather unsupportive and upset that she had broken the 1st law. I believe he is a programmer. All day long he listens to QA people telling him his code is broken, so its no wonder he acts this way. Anyway, look into what else this 7rs old girl has done, quite amasing. I've heard through the grape vine that they might create a TV show based off of her.