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Muh poop by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-17 19:34 · Score: -1, Offtopic · on MythTV Links Up with Program Guide Provider

LOL AT MY LARGE DUMP

Mod parent -1: Offtopic by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-16 04:52 · Score: -1, Offtopic · on Subjecting Yourself to Experimental Meds

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Re:Wet Cement by jahraven · 2005-05-16 03:21 · Score: 0 · on The Worst Foods to Eat Over a Keyboard

The term "any key" does not refer to a particular key on the keyboard. It simply means to strike any one of the keys on your keyboard or handheld screen.

They neglect a demonstration.

Re:Disable Greasemonkey by sznupi · 2005-05-16 01:39 · Score: 1 · on Hacking the Web with Greasemonkey

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Pshh... I could do that by djinn2020 · 2005-05-15 15:34 · Score: -1 · on Mapping the Internet Evolution

It may interest some to know that I've already made my own map of the internet:

Map of the Internet

The Truth behind Microsoft. by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-15 04:25 · Score: -1, Offtopic · on Ballmer and McNealy Smiling Together

The lack of knowledge makes people jump blindly on GNOME. GNOME is an architectual disaster, not to say that only half of the things really work as they should, stuff not quite polished or giving the user the feel of bad implementation. I don't know how people can say it's similar to Windows while it isn't and I wonder how people can say that it's customizable, while it isn't.

I hate people who speak about GNOME like they know all about it but in reality don't know shit. I am dealing with such people nearly every day and it makes me sick. People contradicting themselves when arguing, people saying things they have no real clue about. People that simply suck. People defending GNOME for the sake of it, not willing to listen, not willing to even check out the stuff that was shown to them that suck, not even willing to understand the facts so they can be fixed afterwards. After 6 years with GNOME all this hell matured into a big pile of frustration. GNOME is frustrating, while the idea is good, the people working on it are worth nothing much, because they have no knowledge what they are doing. Not all but the majority of the people do suck. They spent time into patching stuff rather than using the ball above their neck to reconclude whether the architecture they patch makes sense to stay as it is or not. They became usability experts over night and made GNOME become a huge mess for the normal users.

Has anyone ever tried getting serious work done with GNOME ? Ever tried to print 'this page' inside GPDF or EVINCE ? Or have you ever asked yourself why GGV doesn't offer a print dialog ? Have you ever tried copying a full recursive subdir from FTP to your desktop using Nautilus without losing files ? Have you ever tried writing a circular letter with Abiword and trying to use Evolutions addressbook ? Ever tried drawing a computer related graph or UML graph using GNOME programms ? DIA ? No shit.

I find lot of comments quite retarded and disgusting and don't understand why people without any clue give their shit crap comments on /. or OSNews.com People should really spent some time looking at the whole aspects of GNOME, each app, what it does, what it doesn't. And not just watch some pron or listen to ripped mp3 files that's not what business is supposed to do or want to do.

I feel sad that I need to explain this picture. Look closer to it. Now look again a bit closer to it.. No.. that's close enough..

This screenshot explains a lot to us. We don't care for the Toolbar structure nor do we care for the Menu structure. We only look at the appearance. Note that this is just one minor example.

We see Toolbars with ICONS only, we see Toolbars with TEXT beneath the ICONS, we see Toolbars with mixed entries as ICONS and TEXT, we see Toolbars which have a drag handle, we see Menu with drag handle, we see Toolbars without drag handle we see Menu without drag handle. Now what does us tell this ? It tells us that there is something wrong if we ask the question "why is this the case ?". We need to ask ourselves what the aim of a Desktop Environment and Developer Plattform is? The aim is to provide a set of bottom libraries (called a framework) for the developers, so they are able to create applications that feel coherent, look the same, work the same, behave the same as in a real environment. Do you want to have your kitchen filled up with different furniture or your living room ? One seat from type Y the other from type Q the other from Z. They simply do look disharmonic. This all with the GNOME HIG in mind then why do we still deal with such a mess ?

Now we need to look a bit closer to it and we figure out that GNOME offers for historic reasons different ways to create Windows. Now imagine this, you are a user and you want for some reason ICONS only on your Toolbar or you want no images in the Menu. You go into the preferences section and select 'icons only' for Toolbars and 'no images' for Menus. Aft

The Truth behind GNOME. by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-14 20:54 · Score: -1, Offtopic · on LUGRadio Live This Summer

The lack of knowledge makes people jump blindly on GNOME. GNOME is an architectual disaster, not to say that only half of the things really work as they should, stuff not quite polished or giving the user the feel of bad implementation. I don't know how people can say it's similar to Windows while it isn't and I wonder how people can say that it's customizable, while it isn't.

I hate people who speak about GNOME like they know all about it but in reality don't know shit. I am dealing with such people nearly every day and it makes me sick. People contradicting themselves when arguing, people saying things they have no real clue about. People that simply suck. People defending GNOME for the sake of it, not willing to listen, not willing to even check out the stuff that was shown to them that suck, not even willing to understand the facts so they can be fixed afterwards. After 6 years with GNOME all this hell matured into a big pile of frustration. GNOME is frustrating, while the idea is good, the people working on it are worth nothing much, because they have no knowledge what they are doing. Not all but the majority of the people do suck. They spent time into patching stuff rather than using the ball above their neck to reconclude whether the architecture they patch makes sense to stay as it is or not. They became usability experts over night and made GNOME become a huge mess for the normal users.

Has anyone ever tried getting serious work done with GNOME ? Ever tried to print 'this page' inside GPDF or EVINCE ? Or have you ever asked yourself why GGV doesn't offer a print dialog ? Have you ever tried copying a full recursive subdir from FTP to your desktop using Nautilus without losing files ? Have you ever tried writing a circular letter with Abiword and trying to use Evolutions addressbook ? Ever tried drawing a computer related graph or UML graph using GNOME programms ? DIA ? No shit.

I find lot of comments quite retarded and disgusting and don't understand why people without any clue give their shit crap comments on /. or OSNews.com People should really spent some time looking at the whole aspects of GNOME, each app, what it does, what it doesn't. And not just watch some pron or listen to ripped mp3 files that's not what business is supposed to do or want to do.

I feel sad that I need to explain this picture. Look closer to it. Now look again a bit closer to it.. No.. that's close enough..

This screenshot explains a lot to us. We don't care for the Toolbar structure nor do we care for the Menu structure. We only look at the appearance. Note that this is just one minor example.

We see Toolbars with ICONS only, we see Toolbars with TEXT beneath the ICONS, we see Toolbars with mixed entries as ICONS and TEXT, we see Toolbars which have a drag handle, we see Menu with drag handle, we see Toolbars without drag handle we see Menu without drag handle. Now what does us tell this ? It tells us that there is something wrong if we ask the question "why is this the case ?". We need to ask ourselves what the aim of a Desktop Environment and Developer Plattform is? The aim is to provide a set of bottom libraries (called a framework) for the developers, so they are able to create applications that feel coherent, look the same, work the same, behave the same as in a real environment. Do you want to have your kitchen filled up with different furniture or your living room ? One seat from type Y the other from type Q the other from Z. They simply do look disharmonic. This all with the GNOME HIG in mind then why do we still deal with such a mess ?

Now we need to look a bit closer to it and we figure out that GNOME offers for historic reasons different ways to create Windows. Now imagine this, you are a user and you want for some reason ICONS only on your Toolbar or you want no images in the Menu. You go into the preferences section and select 'icons only' for Toolbars and 'no images' for Menus. Aft

The Truth behind GNOME. by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-14 16:04 · Score: 0 · on HP Will Offer Customized Linux in Notebooks

The lack of knowledge makes people jump blindly on GNOME. GNOME is an architectual disaster, not to say that only half of the things really work as they should, stuff not quite polished or giving the user the feel of bad implementation. I don't know how people can say it's similar to Windows while it isn't and I wonder how people can say that it's customizable, while it isn't.

I hate people who speak about GNOME like they know all about it but in reality don't know shit. I am dealing with such people nearly every day and it makes me sick. People contradicting themselves when arguing, people saying things they have no real clue about. People that simply suck. People defending GNOME for the sake of it, not willing to listen, not willing to even check out the stuff that was shown to them that suck, not even willing to understand the facts so they can be fixed afterwards. After 6 years with GNOME all this hell matured into a big pile of frustration. GNOME is frustrating, while the idea is good, the people working on it are worth nothing much, because they have no knowledge what they are doing. Not all but the majority of the people do suck. They spent time into patching stuff rather than using the ball above their neck to reconclude whether the architecture they patch makes sense to stay as it is or not. They became usability experts over night and made GNOME become a huge mess for the normal users.

Has anyone ever tried getting serious work done with GNOME ? Ever tried to print 'this page' inside GPDF or EVINCE ? Or have you ever asked yourself why GGV doesn't offer a print dialog ? Have you ever tried copying a full recursive subdir from FTP to your desktop using Nautilus without losing files ? Have you ever tried writing a circular letter with Abiword and trying to use Evolutions addressbook ? Ever tried drawing a computer related graph or UML graph using GNOME programms ? DIA ? No shit.

I find lot of comments quite retarded and disgusting and don't understand why people without any clue give their shit crap comments on /. or OSNews.com People should really spent some time looking at the whole aspects of GNOME, each app, what it does, what it doesn't. And not just watch some pron or listen to ripped mp3 files that's not what business is supposed to do or want to do.

I feel sad that I need to explain this picture. Look closer to it. Now look again a bit closer to it.. No.. that's close enough..

This screenshot explains a lot to us. We don't care for the Toolbar structure nor do we care for the Menu structure. We only look at the appearance. Note that this is just one minor example.

We see Toolbars with ICONS only, we see Toolbars with TEXT beneath the ICONS, we see Toolbars with mixed entries as ICONS and TEXT, we see Toolbars which have a drag handle, we see Menu with drag handle, we see Toolbars without drag handle we see Menu without drag handle. Now what does us tell this ? It tells us that there is something wrong if we ask the question "why is this the case ?". We need to ask ourselves what the aim of a Desktop Environment and Developer Plattform is? The aim is to provide a set of bottom libraries (called a framework) for the developers, so they are able to create applications that feel coherent, look the same, work the same, behave the same as in a real environment. Do you want to have your kitchen filled up with different furniture or your living room ? One seat from type Y the other from type Q the other from Z. They simply do look disharmonic. This all with the GNOME HIG in mind then why do we still deal with such a mess ?

Now we need to look a bit closer to it and we figure out that GNOME offers for historic reasons different ways to create Windows. Now imagine this, you are a user and you want for some reason ICONS only on your Toolbar or you want no images in the Menu. You go into the preferences section and select 'icons only' for Toolbars and 'no images' for Menus. Aft

More indepth reply, similar context! by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-14 16:02 · Score: 0 · on HP Will Offer Customized Linux in Notebooks

The lack of knowledge makes people jump blindly on GNOME. GNOME is an architectual disaster, not to say that only half of the things really work as they should, stuff not quite polished or giving the user the feel of bad implementation. I don't know how people can say it's similar to Windows while it isn't and I wonder how people can say that it's customizable, while it isn't.

I hate people who speak about GNOME like they know all about it but in reality don't know shit. I am dealing with such people nearly every day and it makes me sick. People contradicting themselves when arguing, people saying things they have no real clue about. People that simply suck. People defending GNOME for the sake of it, not willing to listen, not willing to even check out the stuff that was shown to them that suck, not even willing to understand the facts so they can be fixed afterwards. After 6 years with GNOME all this hell matured into a big pile of frustration. GNOME is frustrating, while the idea is good, the people working on it are worth nothing much, because they have no knowledge what they are doing. Not all but the majority of the people do suck. They spent time into patching stuff rather than using the ball above their neck to reconclude whether the architecture they patch makes sense to stay as it is or not. They became usability experts over night and made GNOME become a huge mess for the normal users.

Has anyone ever tried getting serious work done with GNOME ? Ever tried to print 'this page' inside GPDF or EVINCE ? Or have you ever asked yourself why GGV doesn't offer a print dialog ? Have you ever tried copying a full recursive subdir from FTP to your desktop using Nautilus without losing files ? Have you ever tried writing a circular letter with Abiword and trying to use Evolutions addressbook ? Ever tried drawing a computer related graph or UML graph using GNOME programms ? DIA ? No shit.

I find lot of comments quite retarded and disgusting and don't understand why people without any clue give their shit crap comments on /. or OSNews.com People should really spent some time looking at the whole aspects of GNOME, each app, what it does, what it doesn't. And not just watch some pron or listen to ripped mp3 files that's not what business is supposed to do or want to do.

I feel sad that I need to explain this picture. Look closer to it. Now look again a bit closer to it.. No.. that's close enough..

This screenshot explains a lot to us. We don't care for the Toolbar structure nor do we care for the Menu structure. We only look at the appearance. Note that this is just one minor example.

We see Toolbars with ICONS only, we see Toolbars with TEXT beneath the ICONS, we see Toolbars with mixed entries as ICONS and TEXT, we see Toolbars which have a drag handle, we see Menu with drag handle, we see Toolbars without drag handle we see Menu without drag handle. Now what does us tell this ? It tells us that there is something wrong if we ask the question "why is this the case ?". We need to ask ourselves what the aim of a Desktop Environment and Developer Plattform is? The aim is to provide a set of bottom libraries (called a framework) for the developers, so they are able to create applications that feel coherent, look the same, work the same, behave the same as in a real environment. Do you want to have your kitchen filled up with different furniture or your living room ? One seat from type Y the other from type Q the other from Z. They simply do look disharmonic. This all with the GNOME HIG in mind then why do we still deal with such a mess ?

Now we need to look a bit closer to it and we figure out that GNOME offers for historic reasons different ways to create Windows. Now imagine this, you are a user and you want for some reason ICONS only on your Toolbar or you want no images in the Menu. You go into the preferences section and select 'icons only' for Toolbars and 'no images' for Menus. Aft

GNOME not suited for corporate. by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-14 14:21 · Score: -1, Troll · on HP Will Offer Customized Linux in Notebooks

I feel sad that I need to explain this picture.
Look closer to it. Now look again a bit closer to it.. No.. that's close
enough..

This screenshot explains a lot to us. We don't care for the Toolbar structure
nor do we care for the Menu structure. We only look at the appearance.

We see Toolbars with ICONS only, we see Toolbars with TEXT beneath the ICONS,
we see Toolbars with mixed entries as ICONS and TEXT, we see Toolbars which
have a drag handle, we see Menu with drag handle, we see Toolbars without drag
handle we see Menu without drag handle.

Now what does us tell this ? It tells us that there is something wrong if we
ask the question "why is this the case?". We need to ask ourselves what the aim
of a desktop environment and developer plattform is? The aim is to provide a
set of bottom libraries (called a framework) for the developers, so they are
able to create applications that feel coherent. Looking the same, working the
same, behaving the same as in a real environment. Do you want to have your
kitchen filled up with different furniture or your living room ? One seat from
type Y the other from type Q the other from Z. They simply do look disharmonic.
This all with the GNOME HIG in mind and knowing the facts that GNOME wants to
be a desktop environment as well as a development plattform.

Now we need to look a bit closer to it and we figure out that GNOME offers for
historic reasons different ways to create Windows. Now imagine this, you are a
user and you want for some reason ICONS only on your Toolbar or you want no
images in the Menu. You go into the preferences section and select 'icons only'
for Toolbars and 'no images' for Menus. After that you realize that 3/4 of the
mostly GNOME centric applications are not behaving correctly.

Looking closer to the screenshot you also realize that the Toolbars are not
just behaving differently they also are in different sizes (height). I am not
saying that such things can't be found on other architectures but I find it
quite ridiculous and embarrassing naming GNOME together with MacOS X and even
say it's as clean and as aesthetical pleasing as MaxOS X while the above
screenshot clearly demonstrates that this is not the case.

I could easily go into deeper detail (e.g. jumping on the full architecture
itself) but I keep myself from wasting time here. All in all people should get
enough from the screenshot to understand that something ain't right there. If
the GNOME hackers would be that skilled then they wouldn't have caused such an
irritation as shown there. GNOME is a big construction lot as it is now due
it's really offending architecture.

Actually yes these things annoy a regular user and prevents him from getting
work done because he starts fiddling around with the desktop components to make
it look coherent. The first problem is, and I think you agree with me, is that
GNOME is a Desktop Environment and the purpose of a Desktop Environment is to
offer coherent, similar looking and working applications.

Now I as user see different types of Toolbars, I go into the GNOME Preferences
section and select ICONS only on my Toolbars and I feel irritated that half of
the apps don't behave on this rule. I am also irritated that I can drag off
some Toolbars and others not.

Now this won't stop me from working but this example is just a minor one from
the overall stuff found inside GNOME. I don't get my work done correctly inside
GNOME because of all these irritations found everywhere. For example I am able
to 'print this page' in GNUMERIC and ABIWORD but I am not able to 'print this
page' within GPDF or EVINCE not to speak that GGV doesn't offer me a printing
dialog to chose from. This is preventing me from getting my work done because I
have to stick back to console or gnome-terminal to print exactly the ONE page
tha

GNOME by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-14 13:52 · Score: 0, Flamebait · on HP Will Offer Customized Linux in Notebooks

The lack of knowledge makes people jump blindly on GNOME. GNOME is an architectual disaster, not to say that only half of the things really work as they should, stuff not quite polished or giving the user the feel of bad implementation. I don't know how people can say it's similar to Windows while it isn't and I wonder how people can say that it's customizable, while it isn't.

I hate people who speak about GNOME like they know all about it but in realite don't know shit. I am dealing with such people for the past days.

Has anyone ever tried getting serious work done with GNOME ? Ever tried to print 'this page' inside GPDF or EVINCE ? Or have you ever asked yourself why GPDF doesn't offer a print dialog ? Ever looked at all the different Toolbars inside GNOME (this screenshot). Have you ever tried copying a full recursive subdir from FTP to your desktop without losing files ? Have you ever tried writing a circular letter with Abiword and trying to use Evolutions addressbook ? Ever tried drawing a computer related graph or UML graph using GNOME programms ?

I find lot of comments quite retarded and disgusting and don't understand why people without any clue give their shit crap comments on /. People should really spent some time looking at the whole aspects of GNOME, each app, what it can do, what it can not do. And not just watch some pron and sound to ripped mp3 files that's not what business is supposed to do or want to do.

Re:First mod on the list.. by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-14 13:09 · Score: 0 · on HP Will Offer Customized Linux in Notebooks

> I actually think Gnome is specially gentle for beginners, and can be easily
> configured to function like Windows' explorer.

No you are wrong. But thats related to your lack of knowledge. GNOME is an architectual disaster, no to say that only half of the things really work as they should, stuff not quite polished or giving the user the feel of bad implementation. I don't know how you can say it's similar to Windows while it isn't and I wonder how you can say that it's customizable, while it isn't.

> It's nice alternative to Windows.

And you are wrong again. I hate people who speak about GNOME like they know all about it but in realite don't know shit. Had to deal with such people the past days.

Have you ever tried getting serious work done with GNOME ? Ever tried to print 'this page' inside GPDF or EVINCE ? Or have you ever asked yourself why GPDF doesn't offer a print dialog ? Ever looked at all the different Toolbars inside GNOME (here a screenshot). Have you ever tried copying a full recursive subdir from FTP to your desktop without losing files ? Have you ever tried writing a circular letter with Abiword and trying to use Evolutions addressbook ? Ever tried drawing a computer related graph or UML graph using GNOME programms ?

I find your comment quite retarded and disgusting and don't understand why people without any clue give their shit crap comments on /. You should really spent some time looking at the whole aspects of GNOME, each app, what it can do, what it can not do. And not just watch some pron and sound to ripped mp3 files that's not what business is supposed to do or want to do.

Re:Here is roughly what it sounds like in german by FidelCatsro · 2005-05-13 21:34 · Score: 1 · on MS Calls On Kids to Stop Thought Thieves

Looks like someone already *cough ,wonder who* defaced the poster ;)
http://img50.echo.cx/my.php?image=poster8kt.jpg

Re:KDE Print by nutshell42 · 2005-05-13 01:56 · Score: 1 · on KDE Developers and Usability Folks on Cooperation

no, the basic print dialog looks like this

You show the already expanded version. (And afaik it's not KDE 3.4 either. Seems like the screens are outdated)

Most of your "problems" sounds like minor nitpicking of someone desperate to find faults or someone who has never even used the program but finds that he can't figure out a complex tool (ais, it's the advanced dialog and the printing subsystem is complex on all systems) by just looking at a screenshot. The one problem you mentioned that I can agree with is that "Range" never seems to be grayed out, even if the option doesn't make any sense because there's only one page.

Your enlightement comes by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-12 12:01 · Score: 0 · on KDE Developers and Usability Folks on Cooperation

.. by looking at this picture demonstrating the strengths in GNOME construction lot. Have you ever spent some time looking at your applications appearance a bit closer ? Look at the Toolbar for example, different styles, different size, different behaviors, also look at dialogs and look at the Buttons, some are in the corner, some have an offset, some are 10 pixels wide from each other, others are 6 pixel, ever looked at the GNOME print dialogs ? Some apps allow printing of current page, others don't and even others don't even show a print dialog at all. I think you should clearly investigate into GNOME a bit more before ranting about other solutions.

Re:Some KDE Screenshots from SVN TRUNK by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-12 11:49 · Score: 0 · on KDE Developers and Usability Folks on Cooperation

So ? Now why does GNOME have so many types of Toolbars, why can't I print 'this page' from within GPDF or EVINCE, why do my printer dialogs look different from one app to another under GNOME, why does ggv not even showing a printer dialog at all. As you see your questions can easily be returned towards you.

Re:Arbitrary marketing decision by MasterB(G)ates · 2005-05-12 11:36 · Score: 2, Funny · on Windows XP Starter Edition Snubs P4, Athlon

Totally agree. At Rome airport a big european trip with my fiance - we saw this.

http://img243.echo.cx/img243/6999/curiousindeed7ev .jpg

I wasn't going to either place thankfully. The error looks pathetic.

A little GNOME rant besides. by Anonymous Coward · 2005-05-12 10:42 · Score: 1, Informative · on KDE Developers and Usability Folks on Cooperation

Before some people start jumping up and mention how great GNOME is and how clean everything is and that they have usability and whatever, better get a look a this screenshot.

As you can see, and I know GNOME people are highly interested to bash this article down to nirvana, you figure out that GNOME itself is far from perfect and needs some huge usability studies on their own.

So comparing KDE with Windows (as some GNOME people did above) will get you nowhere. Before ranting about other Environments start looking on your own shit first. Look at all the different Toolbar types. One with Icons, one with Text below Icons, then another one has drag handles, different sizes of Toolbars etc.

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