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I really *want* to agree with you, because it seems reasonable. We know that Nazis are bad, and we know that anti-vax is wrong. We know that because we've studied the effects of both and they're undesirable.

We also know that exposing people to these concepts will cause them to be sympathetic to them, although I we don't fully understand the scale. In the US, exposing people to Nazi propaganda seems to create a ~9% supportive effect[1], while in Germany in the 20s and 30s it was far higher. The truth is, if you or I were a student in Germany in the 30s, we'd almost certainly be Nazis.

The problem with suppressing wrong/hate speech is that the same argument could be made about Galileo in the 1600s or US racism in the 60s. Let me "quote" you: "Don't let the black man speak at your college, don't allow black content on your social media platform, etc. Letting them debate ideas spreads them to vulnerable people who aren't swayed by logic, and citizens should use their civil liberties and private property rights to deny these debates a venue."

We would be much better off if only correct arguments can be platformed, so that weak people aren't swayed by incorrect arguments. Unfortunately, we don't have a way of perfectly identifying "correct" arguments. Even if we could, "correct" changes over time, as people and cultures change. Life is complex and complicated enough that anyone who thinks they "know with certainty" anything about any complex topic is kidding themselves. If you restrict speech based on what you "know" is right, you will get it wrong some of the time. Furthermore, evil people will come along and use those restrictions as a weapon to create further oppression. History shows us that.

If we seek truth and a better life for all, the best way I've found is to allow people to speak freely, debate, argue, and pick at truth. It's messy and often has horrible outcomes. It causes Measles outbreaks. It allows Nazis to march and alienate people. It allows speech that is utterly hateful to homosexuals and racial groups. It allows speech that marginalizes people of less common attributes (appearance, sexual orientation, race, ethnicity, etc). But I'll take all of those downsides in a heartbeat if the alternative is oppression, exploitation, and dictatorships.[2]

I strongly recommend you read "The Gulag Archipelago" from Solzhenitsyn.

Sources:
[1] https://www.elitedaily.com/new...
[2] https://stanfordfreedomproject...

Please give me a couple of links to the facts you supposedly have.

"I don't think Ivanka would do that inside the magazine [pose for Playboy] although she does have a very nice figure. I've said if Ivanka weren't my daughter perhaps I'd be dating her."

More: https://www.elitedaily.com/p/9...

Oh yeah, and this:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-...

You may believe hate speech is an acceptable form of expression, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's literally defined in the dictionary now

https://www.merriam-webster.co...

People change definitions all the time. For example whole communities have exempted themselves from being racist as described below. This is an obvious double standard but my real question is what if one protected class which allegedly can't be racist says something racist to another protected class? For example if Mexicans complain about blacks is that racist? This is the problem with double standards, they are illogical to begin with so they can't stand up to scrutiny. Citations of rationalizing double standards: https://www.elitedaily.com/lif... https://www.quora.com/Why-do-s...

Supposedly "classy" celebrities outfit versus stars from actual Adult Video News (AVN) Awards: (safe for workplace :) )

Some Met Gala Guests Wore Less Than Porn Stars Wore To The AVN Awards, from Elite Daily

https://imgur.com/evSy8FL

Pr0n stars are classier than many celebs today.

Please point me to one person in the past 100 years that achieved success with exactly no education at all and no help from anyone else.

A successful person doesn't have to be the smartest person in the room. Here's a list of 100 entrepreneurs who succeeded with little or no education, including a half-dozen who dropped out of elementary school.

http://elitedaily.com/news/business/100-top-entrepreneurs-succeeded-college-degree/

Wow, 100.. That makes it less likely than winning the lottery.

Please point me to one person in the past 100 years that achieved success with exactly no education at all and no help from anyone else.

A successful person doesn't have to be the smartest person in the room. Here's a list of 100 entrepreneurs who succeeded with little or no education, including a half-dozen who dropped out of elementary school.

http://elitedaily.com/news/business/100-top-entrepreneurs-succeeded-college-degree/

> Hollywood was never known for sophisticated concepts and certainly never made lots of money from them.

As all things in life, it isn't black and white. This is about relative change, the situation has declined from where it was before. And, while I have enough exposure to speak relatively authoritatively since I married a woman who is a casting director in hollywood, it isn't just my own theory. Here's one of many such analyses.

> You probably say that only because you're not acquainted with cinema in other countries very well.

Chances are I've seen more than you have. Particularly Korean new wave and lots of HK and Japanese productions. Furthermore, I'm aware that Hollywood outsells domestic ticket sales in nearly every country - south korea (due to quotas) and India (due to bollywood having enormous volume but low quality) being notable exceptions. I'm also one of the people who thinks it is great when Hollywood remakes a foreign film because I know it means a domestic dvd/blu-ray release of the original as part of the promotional cycle.

Not a full blown tank but an armored vehicle http://elitedaily.com/news/wor...

+ submissive lawyers = what's happening.
Would anyone want to work under this "Larry"?

If so, what is it like? Is he throwing chairs as well or is he not strong enough?

In what percentage bracket is he - 2, 3.. important questions, right?

http://www.forbes.com/pictures...
http://www.forbes.com/profile/...
http://www.celebritynetworth.c...

http://elitedaily.com/money/en... ...
He is a serious Womanizer

Ellison, like all Elite men, is a womanizer. He has been linked to countless celebrities, heiresses, and other notable figures over the world. He is also divorced 4 times. Ellison can often be found dating three Oracle employees simultaneously literally.

Hrm...

The "victim" in question was a many time repeat offender who refused to learn his lesson

At a certain point in time you were also a repeat offender who refused to learn your lesson, if your claims of criminal activity are to be believed. You keep making the argument that the system worked, but the only arguments you are providing is how it worked for you, apparently because going "through the system" involves never being arrested, charged, or detained. And that makes sense... If you were part of the "scene" in the 90s, you were probably a privileged kid in a privileged household back in the 90s and you weren't subject to the laws the way they are enforced in post-PATRIOT Act America.

Our legal system makes a distinction between juveniles and adults.

Yeah...

By the age of 14, Kosta used his skills to become a low-level computer hacker and earned himself the reputation in the hacking world. He began hacking into business and military sites.

One morning, an FBI tactical squad armed with MP-5 sub-machine guns came to the door and tackled Kosta to the ground.

Since 14-year-old Kosta was emancipated from his parents, he was charged as an adult. He was found guilty of 45 counts of technical burglary, including hacking into the systems of major banks, General Electric, and IBM. The punishment would be 45 years in prison.

To support your argument, you will need to explain how society would have been served better by putting you in prison for 10 years (at a cost of about half a million dollars), and then paying for your reintegration into society -- and very likely for assistance throughout the rest of your life since you are automatically disqualified for many positions due to your criminal history.

You were lucky. You know you were lucky. Kosta was lucky. Aaron Schwartz was not so lucky. If luck is required to get sensible treatment from your legal system, your legal system is broken.

Hey I'm just going by the ads you can find on craigslist.

http://elitedaily.com/news/world/man-busted-craigslist-find-dogs-sex/

About nr 1: I don't know about this batteries. As there are sometimes flaws in them and for that same flaw they often burn mobile phones, laptops and such things. Batteries are improving with time, but it is going to take several more years until something new appears.

In regarding nr 2: While this is extremely difficult to trace due to shell within a shell holdings (and sometimes shell within a double shell in a tax haven) this is happening. As the oil industry did destroy the public transport in the U.S at the start of the 20th century. That is easy to look up.

Her is an interesting news report on what is taking place in big oil. It is all power and corruption.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/07/16/the-worlds-25-biggest-oil-companies/ (Warning! Has audio advertisement!)

Here is how big oil got Tesla cars banned in Texas by using side routes that they do have and are not afraid to use.

http://elitedaily.com/news/technology/big-oil-state-texas-bans-the-sale-of-teslas-electric-cars/
http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/2013/09/10/why-tesla-lost-the-fight-to-sell-cars-in-texas/