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Already Happening by tabdelgawad · 2002-07-03 08:23 · Score: 2, Informative · on RIAA to Sue You Now

Well, not the lawsuits, but the lawsuit threats, which are just as effective. See this link to a Gnucleus Forum post regarding an incident of this taking place over a month ago. Just to clarify how it works (straight from the DMCA rules), the copyright holder hires a company like Ranger which has custom-made software that spiders all the major P2P networks. They will index the copyrighted work to a list of IPs, then generate form letters which are sent to the ISP threatening a lawsuit. The ISP then forwards the letter to the user, who has the opportunity to dispute the claim or comply with the 'request' to remove the copyrighted material from the network. Needless to say, if you want to keep your internet access, you must comply. The latest version of Gnucleus already comes with a list of known spidering site IPs blocked, but this is clearly not a solution. IMO, nothing short of the capabilities of Freenet will succeed against this.

Re:Commentary is completely off. by warpSpeed · 2002-07-03 08:02 · Score: 2 · on RIAA to Sue You Now

"RIP Swapping -- 2006"

By 2006 I would expect that the real P2P software to start taking hold. This software is just not in real time, which has its dis/advantages but it can effectivly (in theory) do the same thing

If the RIAA forces everyone to stop trading in the clear, most people will go under ground, and this project will be developed even faster.

This is a true Spy vs. Spy scenario.

FreeNet? by tbmaddux · 2002-07-03 07:50 · Score: 5, Interesting · on RIAA to Sue You Now

They sued Napster, it pushed people to true P2P networks like Gnutella. Now they go after the people on the networks, won't this just push people to something like Freenet? (Freenet masks users and files so it'd be more difficult to target specific people for trading specific things)

Re:How to make it cooler... by Shadeborn · 2002-06-13 07:42 · Score: 1 · on P2P Roaming Chat

Check out Freenet. Although it does have a kind of central server to keep a list of public Freenet nodes, it can work without it, because nodes will announce themselves to the network when they join.

Freenet currently uses its own protocol to connect to other nodes, but one of the hidden strengths of Freenet is that one can write plugins to transfer data using different methods, for example via encrypted messages posted thru anonymous remailers or even CPIP :)

A word of caution: Freenet is under heavy development, and the network performance is.. scetchy at best.

One Sided Nonsense by alexander.morgan · 2002-06-12 04:03 · Score: 1 · on Will Cable Unplug the File Swappers?

That's the sort of article that might have appeared in Entertainment Executive Bonus Entitlement Journal--not in a general business magazine.

What business week forgets to mention is that broadband is supposed to make all kinds of high bandwidth services available, such as streaming audio and video, all kinds of as yet to be invented multi-media entertainment, as well as on-line delivery of software and services. Apparently the business week writer confuses a 5MB MP3 with a 5GB video file. And Jane Black, the author has probably never downloaded a Linux ISO image either. Here go another 100 to 200 song files. Peer to peer will be unaffected, once better algorithms (such as free network project's) are available. Rich content would die--think the next generation of video games, with live audio and video.

If the cable providers want to lower cost, they can start by shutting down their spam portals, which offer a great collection of advertising, bland news, and a box for searching the web. As in who needs it? Too lazy to type cnn or google?

And for lowering the cost to consumer, the answer lies in competition. But Congress and U.S. regulatory agencies have pretty much outlawed and out ruled competition. Imagine broadband prices, if all the surplus fiber was put to use. Or if there was a real choice when ordering broadband access, instead of AT&T Cable or Qwest/Microsoft DSL. Or if instead of filling the airwaves and cable system with digital spam, the spectrum would be available for bridging the last mile, and the cable system would be available for Gigabit access. But seeing cereal boxes in high definition is obviously more important.

Broadband suffers from poor service and too high prices, not too much bandwidth. It's a chicken and egg problem, waiting for bandwidth and content. Kill the chicken, and the birds will eat the egg. Or something like that.

Freenet's solution to this problem by Sanity · 2002-06-10 08:54 · Score: 5, Interesting · on Spoofing P2P Networks as Marketing Plot

We have been thinking about this problem for some time. Our solution is a mechanism called "subspaces", where users can effectively vouch for the authenticity of data, even though that data might be anonymously inserted into the network. Even those vouching for data can remain anonymous, they will be motivated to stay honest to maintain the reputation of their anonymous identity. You can learn more about subspaces here.

Freenet's solution to this problem by Sanity · 2002-06-10 08:54 · Score: 5, Interesting · on Spoofing P2P Networks as Marketing Plot

We have been thinking about this problem for some time. Our solution is a mechanism called "subspaces", where users can effectively vouch for the authenticity of data, even though that data might be anonymously inserted into the network. Even those vouching for data can remain anonymous, they will be motivated to stay honest to maintain the reputation of their anonymous identity. You can learn more about subspaces here.

Freenet by yafiyogi · 2002-05-31 10:25 · Score: 1 · on Organizing Data Across a Heterogeneous Net?

How about looking at Freenet? To Quote the site, "Freenet is a large-scale peer-to-peer network which pools the power of member computers around the world to create a massive virtual information store open to anyone to freely publish or view information of all kinds." It appears to be available for Mac X Windows, and Linux.

Come party with me by Anonymous Coward · 2002-05-29 06:54 · Score: -1, Troll · on George Lucas May Be Completely Evil

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Come party with me by Anonymous Coward · 2002-05-29 06:54 · Score: -1, Troll · on George Lucas May Be Completely Evil

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Re:About time to dump Transgaming by EllisDees · 2002-05-28 10:35 · Score: 2 · on Debian And WineX

When's the last time you DONATED to a free project?

For the record, I've donated $30 to the Freenet project in the past year. I donate whenever I think a project is worthwhile, and Transgaming has just about passed that time.

Re:Someone actually uses Kazaa?? by Greg+W. · 2002-05-23 08:23 · Score: 2 · on KaZaA Collapses

No, KaZaA used to have a Linux client, but they went out of their way to break compatibility with their own network protocol -- multiple times -- so the official KaZaA Linux client no longer works.

If you're looking for a Linux-based file sharing system, you have three basic choices:

Gnutella
giFT
Apache or FTP

I don't count Freenet here because it's too unreliable.

Re:quick!! by delta407 · 2002-05-21 15:08 · Score: 1 · on DMCA Attacks: NAI Tells Sites To Remove PGP (Updated)

Quick, post it to Freenet; you don't know where it's stored!

Re:The perfect task for Freenet by delta407 · 2002-05-21 02:59 · Score: 2, Informative · on Open Content Network (P2P meets Open Source)

Throughput - Browsers will be able to download content from multiple sources in parallel
Bandwidth Savings - Browsers will automatically discover and select the closest mirror for a piece of content.
Fault Tolerance - Even if a site goes down in the middle of a download, browsers will automatically locate another mirror and continue downloading.
Scalability - Any number of machines may be added to the network, creating a CDN ad hoc, with very little administration.
Security - Browsers will be able to safely download content from untrusted mirrors without risk of corruption or viruses.

Right on target. Freenet accomplishes these goals, and actually works right now. Freenet is essentially an anonymous, distributed caching system into which anyone can insert data and retrieve it later. It supports both locating information by content hashes or by a human-readable redirect, as well as lots of really cool features like anonymous websites ("freesites"). So... what are you waiting for? Install Freenet today!

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Re:p2p meets mirror by delta407 · 2002-05-21 02:53 · Score: 1 · on Open Content Network (P2P meets Open Source)

From the website:

Tree Hash EXchange format (THEX) - Coming 05/2002. This document defines a serialization and interchange format for Merkle Hash Trees. These hash trees allow very efficient, fine-grained integrity checking of content in a distributed network.

It seems that files will be referenced by their hash and thus ensure that data has not been corrupted, and also in this manner will eliminate the "renaming files changes contents" thing that many P2P networks seem to believe in.

Of course, Freenet does this and more -- and already works -- so why not use it? Integrity checking, intelligent caching, and high anonymity to boot.

1 of many alternatives. by leuk_he · 2002-05-21 02:13 · Score: 3, Interesting · on Open Content Network (P2P meets Open Source)

There are pleny of other open p2p products.

Freenet scaleable, not vaporware, very much beta.

Alpine.
based on trust
Gnunet. Sounds very open. based on electonic money. also seach for gnet.

chord Very efficient to find files.

distrinet At this stage: vaporware.(there is code....) But if you look at the description it beats any p2p software!

But in the end the network with the most data (gnutella/kazaa) will be used. Note that users will switch networks very quickly. Look what happened to napster.

Ours no more. by Anonymous Coward · 2002-05-13 06:05 · Score: 0 · on Supreme Court Rules on Challenge to COPA

I guess what most of these issues come down to is something I keep having a hard time with.
The internet isn't our little playground anymore, and we can't continue to use it like we have been.

I guess we really need to give up, and realize that Ashcroft and his men really do run things now. The internet has become not a tool of geeks, a place with Code rules all, but a corporate vehicle, to be regulated, and policied by whatever is popular at the moment, by whomever is in power, and we can't do a damn thing about it. There just aren't enough of us.

The internet is a victim of it's own success. The more people who use it without understanding how and why it works, the less it will be useful to those of us who liked having out own place to play.

We've already lost this fight. Viva La Freenet!

facts, anyone? by showboat · 2002-04-28 13:47 · Score: 1 · on Making an Independent Web Site?

Whoa, you need to read the documentation, buddy. The "implementation sucks" argument's been used before, and there's rebuttal on the site. It requires sifting through technical docs, though.

See, you take it from a traditional, file-sharing p2p perspective -- don't lump it in with other programs. That's the problem. You say: "People don't want to store information they did not request." That's the whole point in FreeNet, otherwise something would be near-to/totally centralized, wouldn't it? If not, then it surely isn't anonymous to the degree it is (which is where the security layers, the so-called sucky implementation, comes in). If that's not your purpose (if you "have nothing to hide"), then forget about it! Don't criticize it for starting to do something, the goals (goals via, for example, anonymity and a plan of storage) of which you don't agree with.

Look, I hear griping for a "real" implementation. Well, freenet and some gnutella clients (e.g., gnucleus) are open-source. You fix it if you don't like it. But, don't beat on the system when IT is not the bottleneck of acceptance, which is really what this is about.

BitTorrent, on the surface, is just a commercial distro plan that the mpaa wants to use (though heavily mod'd, I'm sure. Oh, that's why you call it "actual content," eh? But what if you didn't request that pr0n movie, but your computer/box is used to distribute the content?

P2P does not mean only one thing. It is not embodied in either gnutella, freenet, or other projects; they work differently. They're called mediocre, but where's the specific criticism? I mean, working as it does, excluding the leeches and the anti-leech methods (as it existed years ago), the gnutella system accomplished things. It is "an option" for me and millions. Options can be many things. Some people don't care if you don't like it. If it's not spyware, and if it gets a job done, then what's the problem?

There are positive, identifiable problems with freenet, and it's also a baby of a project -- just because people run it doesn't mean anything to or about it. But it's running, and it's ideas of storage and implementation have yet to be seriously debated and critiqued.

Freenet. by alphaseven · 2002-04-27 10:01 · Score: 3, Insightful · on Making an Independent Web Site?

Want no bandwidth limit, no fees, no hassles on "community standards"? Just upload your page to Freenet. And it's anonymous so you won't even have to answer to the law. Sure it's a painfully slow to access most pages, but what do you want for free?

Freenet by shatfield · 2002-04-17 09:46 · Score: 1 · on Deutsche Bahn to Sue Google

This is a 'case in point' for the freenet project.

This case boils down to 1 thing:
'Someone' said something that 'someone else' takes offense at, and that 'someone else' is going to oppress the freedom of speech of 'someone', at any expense.

When Freenet fulfills its promise, this stuff won't even be possible, so the "someone else" will just have to suck it up.

Re:Ocean Store by 0x0d0a · 2002-04-13 10:13 · Score: 1 · on The Secure Public Data Repository?

No need for new projects -- already good distributed filesystems that you can set up big servers with
afs? (or here)
coda?
intermezzo?

CMU, for example, uses AFS campus-wide. Your login scripts and dotfiles and whatnot all reside in your home directory (on AFS) so preferences migrate with you.

You can make things world-readable, and because AFS has a global namespace, anyone can see them. If I do research at MIT as well, I just need to grab a Kerberos ticket from their KDC and start using my files over there.

Just plonk a server in place, put an array of 100GB drives in place, make things readable by whomever you want, and you're good to go.

If you want a system designed with fancy automated caching that people can use without dicking around with Kerberos, freenet's a good choice. Of course, there's no guarantee that the data will stay around, but cest la vie.

One Word: Freenet by Anonymous Coward · 2002-04-13 08:55 · Score: 0 · on The Secure Public Data Repository?

For all your secure info storing needs..

Only problem is that you have to use it frequently to make sure that websites spread your info around... otherwise any identity info will disappear..

How it might work (absolute requirements) by jacobb · 2002-04-13 08:27 · Score: 2, Interesting · on The Secure Public Data Repository?

Well, first of all, "truly secure" is impossible. All we can do is aproach secure and hope.

It's difficult to tell what will be the attributes of any method that will exist, but it's not hard to give requirements. I'll use the word "spyee" to mean the person whose data is being stored.

* First of all, it cannot be done without people's permission. Every single piece of info that is stored MUST be there with the spyee's knowledge and consent. If someone wants to store their sexual preference or medical records, etc. etc. let them, but don't reqiure me to tell you my SSN / Credit Card info.

* Second: It MUST be distributed. This is because it can work iff (if and only if) the spyee retains ownership and complete rights to his data. Nobody else can even think for a minute that they own it. Even if they store it. It's paramount that each spyee's info be broken up and different chunks stored on different computers. In this sence, it would work like The Eternity Service (here's even more info) or (my favorite), Freenet.

*Third, Every piece of info must be stored encrypted. Let the user's browser have a session keys. Let the user have a few keys. That way, the user can access his data (with the help of front-end programs) and he can have a stupid form filler, but the company or Skriptkidd1e can't use it.

*This MUST be a subscription service. I believe that it would be far too expensive for advertising to be the source of driving revenue. The storer MUST NOT be able to sell the data, thus depriving him of that form of revenue as well.

*The user can pay the same way as payment worked in ZKS FREEDOM - The user bought an activation number and used it to buy the service - but the end user name _cannot_ be traced to the person who bought it (Hence "zeroknowledge"). It was awesome!

This can be accomplished quite easily, and built in to any UI so that working it requires minimal gray matter. I think that the best way would be to store it on freenet. It takes care of all the above problems, but introduces one of its own: data expiration.
Reply and tell me what you think, this topic is fascinating.