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However, Nazism promotes hate towards other human beings; communism does not.

You certainly have not tried it... Even a descendant of the rich and/or noble family was automaticly a second-class citizen, hatred towards him, indeed, promoted, employing him -- discouraged. So was someone having relatives abroad. Homosexualism was a criminal offence. I'm not kidding, for example, the famous movie director Paradzhanov went to prison for this.

Entire nations genocidedly punished -- like Ukrainians with the artificially created hunger in 1933-34 -- for less than wholehearted acceptance of the collective farming, or Chechens and Crymean Tatars after WWII -- for alleged collaboration with Germans.

While it is true, that the most evil things happened under Stalin, they certainly started under Lenin and continued well into the most recent times.

You can cry your liberal heart out for the injustices McCarthy or Ashcroft have brought upon USA, but none of them remotely begins to approach the horrors of communism. At least, you can still criticize them risking your job at the most horrible worst.

Criticizing Stalin, or even the "mild" Brezhnev would quickly have brought one or all of the following (list woefully incomplete, and contains only the things I know happened to my or my parents' friends or acquaintances):

• You are arrested and promptly convicted on an "anti-Soviet" charge -- the sentence is either death or 10-25 years of Gulag (limited to 15 after Stalin's, "liberal" times);
• You are forcibly taken into a psychiatric clinic, where -- with the aid of serious drugs -- you are, in fact, turned into a psycho;
• You arrested and promptly convicted on a phoney charge with some athlete student testifying you tried to rape her, or with a gun or narcotics found in your restroom -- this and the previous "measure" reserved for people having won some prominence abroad, to discredit them;
• Your "parenthood" rights revoked -- followed by your children taken away into a government foster home;
• You are coerced into spying on your friends under the threat of one or more of the above.

While some of this may have happened in the US, the number of victims is in thousands at the most. Countless millions perished under Communism, but I think it was mentioned already.

Yes, I think Communism should be treated stricter than or no different from Fascism. I'm not sure, if they should be banned, however -- Free Speach is just too important -- having to tolerate some scumbags may be a fair price to pay...

Besides, Soviet Russia wasn't communist anyway; it's "Stalinist".

But the 1933-1945 Germany was not fascist either! It was "Hitlerist", of course...

(It was not Soviet Russia, but Soviet Union.)

It's hard to take seriously a text editor named after a sink cleaning product.

Vim

Click here, go down the list and open each link in a new window (rightclick, openinnewwindow then tally up the $ damage yourself.

Hit 'em where it hurtz -

If you can find a search engine that says "search for the top sites on the web that paid us money", then that would be honest and nothing to complain about.

You're looking for GoTo.com. They quite clearly and honestly state that their criterion for listing is the amount that the companies pay them. They even show exactly how much the company pays for each click-through! For some kinds of search it actually even makes sense; if you want to find a business, it's quite possibly reasonable to look at the ones that are willing to pay the most to attract your attention. It certainly helps to guarantee that they're being honest in the categories they're listed in, so they won't have to pay extra for erroneous click-throughs.

Click here and make a spammer spend some money

The third hit was this address:

www.spamfreebulkemail.com

"Spam-free bulk email"...that's rich. Isn't that like "dehydrated water" or "Christians Against Christ?"

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Poliglut

Check out the little "$N.NN" markers next to each vendor. That's how much the vendor pays goto.com for each clickthrough.

I just clicked about $20 worth of ads ... want to join me?

laws are not going to solve this problem the net was always self governing what we need is a very active vigilanty presence we should attack all spammers and companys that sell spam sofware a simple way is to goto goto.com put " bulk email" in the search field and click on all the links that come up this will cost the spam companys big bucks if enough people do it also you can follow the link in my sig. for other ways to fight spam
and please e-mail your suggestions on other ways to fight spam

Thanks for this link! You just made my day! :-)

goto goto.com put "bulk email" in the search field you will get a list of companys that sell spam software these companys pay goto.com per click if we slashdot those links we can cost these scum bags a fortune!

How do I cross references the dozens of synonyms and antonyms for products and services...

That is d*mned hard. I don't see it being addressed in any of these papers. SOAP is an RPC standard of sorts, completely irrelevant to solving a global YP hierarchy.

Answer me this - Who decides who goes where ?

I think GOTO (disclaimer: I work for them) has some kind of answer - you pay GOTO to get placed - you place yourself wrong, the market punishes you with a cost for each un-converted referral. This is somewhat different to the YP hierarchy problem.

Winton

Just like if I take an MP3 of Britney Spears and change every other byte to a zero. (*) There is no way to get back the original, but a court would very likely consider it an infringment to redistribute. We all know those are two different situations, but would, for example, Judge Kaplan agree? Remember how he ruled that DeCSS is illegal under the DMCA in spite of fair use, the Constitution, and even the defenses spelled out in the DMCA itself.

(*) One could definitely argue that the resulting file would be better than the original, and even better if the remaining bytes were turned to zeros as well. ;)

Whilst Google is clearly the best for non-commercial searches, GoTo is apparently the best for commercial searches (if you want a service someone will make money from supplying).

It nicely gets around the problem of manual classification, by effectivley using market forces to make an advertiser classify themselves correctly (or pay for referrals which make them no money).

Let say I have a hotel in San Francisco, but bid for the general term Hotel ($1.03). Now I will presumably only get some custom if they were looking for a Hotel in SF - otherwise I just paid GOTO $1.00 for a useless referral. Better I list myself as HOTEL SAN FRANCISCO, even though this costs ($1.71), I will have a much higher conversion ratio.

Of course, if I am a US Hotel Chain or Broker, then maybe I would bid on the general Hotel keyword.

End of self serving Sales Pitch :) Personally I'd like to see us create a GoTogle (TM) :-) that combines the best of both approaches.

Winton

If you goto goto.com and enter "bulk e-mail" you get a list of
spam companys the pay goto.com several dollars per click.
It's fun to cost these scumbags real money!!
You can find out more ways to fight spam by following the link in my sig.

Click this link to make spammers spend money!

Hey Lenny! Great anti-spam page. Spammers are up to $4.50 on goto.com! Slashdotters, start clicking the link below to make spammers pay. Click this link to make spammers spend money!

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Visit Junkbusters and view information on Web Bugs.

The industry uses the euphemism "clear GIFs" to describe web bugs. Search for "clear gifs" in a search engine as well as "web bugs" if you're after more information. I use TopClick because it is a privacy-respecting search engine that doesn't use cookies and I have found it to be very good.

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Hey Lenny! Great anti-spam page. Spammers are up to $4.50 on goto.com! Slashdotters, start clicking the link below to make spammers pay. Click this link to make spammers spend money!

Obligatory on-topic message:

Visit Junkbusters and view information on Web Bugs.

The industry uses the euphemism "clear GIFs" to describe web bugs. Search for "clear gifs" in a search engine as well as "web bugs" if you're after more information. I use TopClick because it is a privacy-respecting search engine that doesn't use cookies and I have found it to be very good.

*** NEWS FLASH ***
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Sadly, those days of readily available, easily navigable information are long since gone. With Google's recent sell-out to Yahoo, I've been getting results that seem to be less focused on accuracy, and more focused on whoever is paying Google the most for the top ranking.

If I wanted to, I could use Google as some sort of ads on request machine to get offers of whatever I want.

But wouldn't it be quicker and easier to use GoTo.com as your ads-on-request machine? Pay-For-Performance(TM) is what they do.

If I wanted to, I could use Google as some sort of ads on request machine to get offers of whatever I want.

But wouldn't it be quicker and easier to use GoTo.com as your ads-on-request machine? Pay-For-Performance(TM) is what they do.

1. Go to this URL, and save the page source. Copy out the search results, eliminate all the useless BS of the frame, and page, etc. You just want those massive GOTO.COM links.
2. Run a search-and-replace, replacing all instances of:
   HREF=/d/sr
   With
   HREF=www.goto.com/d/sr
   Save the results as /tmp/spammers.
3. Set up a cron job to run once daily using WGET, like this:
   wget -qHr -l1 --spider -i /tmp/spammers
4. 
   TA DA! Instant drain to spammer resources, the world over. Update your SPAMMERS file every few weeks, as this will probably drive many of them out of business very quickly.
   

(I got this idea from a previous post, but I've revised the link a bit)

Once a day, go here and right-click on each link, select 'open in new window' and let the pages load.

The expense will add up quite quick, I think!

If this is for real, then we could /. the shit out of these links and cost these mofo's some SERIOUS CASH!

Send a message!!!

Click that link, then for speed, right-click on each link and choose, "open in new window"

Just let each page load, and force them to spend some REAL BUCKS!!!

Folow this link it will bring you to goto.com were spammers pay goto.com per click
If you bookmark this and go there once a day and click on the top 10 links you
will cost each of these scum bags up to several dollars a day
If there are only 100 of us doing this we can cost them a fortune :-)
It won't do any good to click a link more then once because goto.com
has a system in place to prevent that

goto.com bulk email

This info is from my war on spam page follow the link in my sig.
to find out more

Plus, don't you think it would be much easier if people actually didn't try to cheat search engines?

Yeah, and it would be great if nobody stole money and gave to charity, too. It just isn't going to happen. Any system that is A) valuable and B) depends on everyone behaving honestly is doomed to failure. You're never going to get people to stop cheating the search engines as long as doing so is both possible and beneficial to the cheaters. The plain fact is that manipulating the system works, and people are going to keep doing it as long as it keeps working. The only solution is to develop a system that is not easily manipulated.

5) The number of times a particular page is linked to.
)7) The number of times the linking page is linked.

Perhaps you should try looking at Google, a search engine that actually uses these in a clever way as the key part of its ranking system. It's remarkably effective at finding relevant information and at avoiding the kinds of simple manipulation you complain about. Other ranking schemes (like GoTo.com's straight pay for placement system) are also relatively resistant to manipulation. I think that the long term solution is going to be natural selection; search engines that are easy to manipulate to give lousy results will go out of business and leave behind the ones that are actually useful.

Personally, I think that it would be great that if there was an editing team that would simply delete misrepresented pages.

Good luck. The latest versions of Google include over 1 billion pages. Manual sifting for poorly labeled ones just plain isn't an option if your primary goal is comprehensiveness.

Hi,

We just (end of October), came out of a 2 month War Room based project. Normally we live in lil gray cubes. We had a hell of a schedule - 2 months to build a meta-search engine for prices of Books, Music and Video, that used a commercial data source for book music and video data, and dynamic scrapers to get prices.

Three of us went into the conference room, and we got it done on schedule (Books, Music and Movies)

Why ?

• It definitely created a hard-core attitude - the three of us were there 12-14 hours a day on average. Yes, it does do that "bad" guilt trip thing to you, but its really more kind of the fact that there is a cool hi-visibility project you are in on.
• Communication bandwidth was zero -- "What's the parameter to that API you defined ?" - instant answer.
• Fun, Fun, Fun. We were the most psyched team in the company - people used to come in just to feel the vibe (I am not a new ager at all). We decorated the room madly - cant post a picture of the door, but it looks like a totem pole. We had a TV - and watched every play-off game that was on... We drank every night, and ate at a local sports bar...

I don't think I could work in one of these 365 days a year - and I suspect that being THE SOLE War Room was kind of ego-boosting - if everyone was in one, who knows.

Also, you really have to be involved in a tight project, with the ability to tell anyone coming into the room to f*ck off if it disrupts you or is not relevant to the project. In a normal multi-person office, the day to day interrupts can drive multiple occupants mad...

Winton

p.s. There is also a similar article in the New Yorker this month (page 60, Dec 11 Issue).

shop at goto.

I looked for "AMD K6-2 500"

my first try... after about 20 seconds...

when you want to buy something, don't waste your time looking on yahoo/google, or altavista, or theindex.com (god forbid). I don't understand why anyone would really spend time trying to help the poor suckers who somehow decided that the world needs YET ANOTHER search engine/portal. This isn't about barriers to entry, it's about functionality- why should users humor a new entry into a space where there's already a clear winner?

shop at goto.

I looked for "AMD K6-2 500"

my first try... after about 20 seconds...

when you want to buy something, don't waste your time looking on yahoo/google, or altavista, or theindex.com (god forbid). I don't understand why anyone would really spend time trying to help the poor suckers who somehow decided that the world needs YET ANOTHER search engine/portal. This isn't about barriers to entry, it's about functionality- why should users humor a new entry into a space where there's already a clear winner?

"Alternative revenue models"? Have you ever heard of GoTo, which bases its rankings not on relevance but on advertising budgets? Then there are many other search engines which are also starting to charge for "preferred rankings". Wall Street is pushing companies to try and make money asap, and it makes sense that they charge businesses that want to promote themselves. Besides, it's cheaper than GoTo (eck) and doesn't swindle customers by showing the company with the highest advertising budget rather than the most relevant. Not that it isn't a moot point for google users...

google
http://www.google.com/searc h?q =phoebe%20cates%20nude

altavista
http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?q=phoebe%20 cates%20nude&kl=XX&pg=q&a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;Translate=on

yahoo
http://search.yahoo.c om/ bin/search?p=phoebe%20cates%20nude

raging
http://r agi ngsearch.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?q=phoebe%20ca tes%20nude

lycos
http://www. lycos.c om/srch/?loc=searchbox&query=phoebe+cates+nude

hotbot
h ttp://hotbot.lycos.com/?MT=phoebe+cates+nude&SM=MC &DV=0&LG=any&DC=10&D E=2&AM1=MC

go
http://www.go .com/Split? pat=go&col=WW&qt=phoebe+cates+nude

excite
http://search.excite .co m/search.gw?search=phoebe+cates+nude

askjeeves
h ttp://w ww.ask.com/main/askjeeves.asp?ask=phoebe+cates+nud e&metasearch=yes

alltheweb
http://www.alltheweb.com/cgi-bin/search?exec=FAST+ Search&type=all&query= phoebe+cate s+nude

goto
http://ww w.goto. com/d/search/?type=home&Keywords=phoebe+cates+nude

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Too late... already happens... This is the whole basis for GoTo. Check out the "What We Do" section on their Our Company: Who We Are and What We Do page.

Too late... already happens... This is the whole basis for GoTo. Check out the "What We Do" section on their Our Company: Who We Are and What We Do page.

it's not a dumber idea than letting advertisers influence hits on search engines, and there are already clueless investors funding that

I find goto.com very useful when I am searching for a vendor. If I am looking for someone who sells crawfish, goto.com is much more useful than a search engine which makes me weed out the crawfish recipe pages, and if I'm looking to buy socks, I don't want to go through a bunch of SOCKS protocol hits.

Francis Hwang

GoTo and some other sites already do this.

Check out the "cost to advertiser" link under the top 'N' results on GoTo.com...

usually it is just a couple of cents, but I've seen some site pay more than a US$ dollar for your click-through.

Makes me wonder if they knew what they were doing when they submitted their bid...
hey--what's the difference between 2 and .02 anyway
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Another LISP site.

The http://Shop.Goto.Com/ Instant Search Categories runs using LISP. It's based on a theorem prover written in LISP:)

Check out how fast the InstantResults get updated as you narrow down your requirements. For an example try http://Shop.Goto.Com/ce/dcameras/

LISP is sweet :) You know you can change a function definition in the middle of a running program, don't you :) ? Patch in a bugfix without taking down the site ?

Winton

Another LISP site.

The http://Shop.Goto.Com/ Instant Search Categories runs using LISP. It's based on a theorem prover written in LISP:)

Check out how fast the InstantResults get updated as you narrow down your requirements. For an example try http://Shop.Goto.Com/ce/dcameras/

LISP is sweet :) You know you can change a function definition in the middle of a running program, don't you :) ? Patch in a bugfix without taking down the site ?

Winton

I have email an describing GoTo.com's ability to encode the serch terms in the wildcard part of the domainname. eg: http://linux.docs.goto.com/ or http://gnu.goto.com/ My email is dated 2/17/99 and they must have had that feature sometime before then.

IANAL but I think this could be considered very similar and Goto.com has a bunch of money (I think) and maybe if they were made aware they would want to fight it.

I'd be happy to provide my email but I doubt a dated email from someone's sent folder is proof of prior art in the laws eye.

Citrix

I have email an describing GoTo.com's ability to encode the serch terms in the wildcard part of the domainname. eg: http://linux.docs.goto.com/ or http://gnu.goto.com/ My email is dated 2/17/99 and they must have had that feature sometime before then.

IANAL but I think this could be considered very similar and Goto.com has a bunch of money (I think) and maybe if they were made aware they would want to fight it.

I'd be happy to provide my email but I doubt a dated email from someone's sent folder is proof of prior art in the laws eye.

Citrix

Actually... GoTo.com already does this. You can make bids for a higher placement. It works quite well actually, and their site recieves quite a lot of traffic.