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Eliza for Spam

Saint Aardvark the Carpeted writes "Check this out for sheer genius...This guy has posted to Perl Monks a script that uses the Perl Eliza module to respond to spam. Check it and contribute your suggestions for improved vocabulary." The downside of course is that spammers never set their reply correctly (which I think is forgery, and should be treated as such) so this is probably more academic then useful, but its definitely funny.

166 comments

  1. Anonymity vs. forgery by Blackheart2 · · Score: 1
    The downside of course is that spammers never set their reply correctly (which I think is forgery, and should be treated as such)

    Interesting how, on the one hand, you advocate anonymity, yet, on the other, you think anonymization should be outlawed.

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    1. Re:Anonymity vs. forgery by 2MuchC0ffeeMan · · Score: 1

      flamebait... false reply to addresses is forgery, that's not anonimization, that's just an easy way to escape the 'opt out' link... by making it NOT work at all.

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    2. Re:Anonymity vs. forgery by sqlrob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why does a commercial message need anonymity?

  2. Re:Faked FROM fields. by reverius · · Score: 1

    But if it's legal to spoof the FROM field, and probably anything else...

    then that makes it theoretically impossible to find a spammer.

    This is based on two assumptions:

    1) That they get good enough at spoofing stuff
    2) That spamming, and spoofing, are legal (which they pretty much are)

    If the whole point is to catch spammers, it sounds to me like there has to be some sort of law. Like "Thou shalt not send unsolicited communications advertising a product or service"

  3. Re:SirCam and Eliza by plagiarist · · Score: 1
    Here's what I got when I ran it (SirCam through the chatbot_smtp.pl script):

    Sircam: Hi! How are you?

    Eliza: Does that question interest you?

    Sircam: I send you this file in order to have your advice

    Eliza: Why are you concerned over my advice?

    Sircam: See you later. Thanks

    Eliza: Oh, I later?

    PINE: [ Part 2, Application/MIXED 233KB. ]
    [ Unable to print this part. ]

    Eliza: Does talking about this bother you?

    PINE: [ Part 3: "Attached Text" ]

    Eliza: Tell me more about that.

  4. Re:cool :) by reverius · · Score: 1

    Well, I was making up a fake "spam" about Samba. Tying in a couple of threads. :)

    I made up "Siagra" to be like "Viagra". The whole "spam" continues along that metaphor. It was meant to be funny...

    That's my explanation. But...

    What is "SWAT"?

  5. Re:How timely.. by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 1

    Here's your level 1 tech support agent:

    if (`cat $1 > /dev/null;`)
    {
    echo "Thank you for your request.\n";
    @answer = array(
    "Reboot your machine.\n",
    "Make sure it's plugged in.\n",
    "Reboot and don't cancel out of the network login screen this time\n",
    "You should have saved your work.\n",
    "No, the IT staff doesn't maintain the AC.\n",
    "That's because the NT server crashed again. Reboot.\n");
    $ans_index = int(rand()) * 5;
    echo @answer[$ans_index];
    }
    The code's a little incorrect, but that's not important...

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  6. Re:Cost them $ with your mouse - it's easy: by isorox · · Score: 2, Informative

    More generally, this looks like a scripting job.

    something like a cronjob of

    wget --recursive --level=1 --span-hosts http://www.goto.com/d/search/?type=home&Keywords=b ulk+email

    ?

    You will want to delete the output too

  7. Re:Fill out forms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not so much, considering most spams are BCC'ed to 999 other people having the same first initial of their email. All the spammer knows is "one of these 1000 people actually fell for the scam/whatever in this spam."

  8. Re:Cost them $ with your mouse - it's easy: by robogun · · Score: 1

    You're wasting your time. They don't get charged if referrers are from another "bomb goto" page.

  9. Interesting conversation by Arjuna+Theban · · Score: 5, Funny


    Cats: Eliza. All your base are belong to us.
    Eliza: Does using that kind of language make you feel better ?

    ---

    1. Re:Interesting conversation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      idea of merging CATS and Eliza: +5 (de rigeur, but you did it first)

      actual cleverness of joke: 0

  10. This is bad. by neema · · Score: 1

    Responding to spam just confirms for spammers that there is someone on the receiving end of the spam mail.

  11. Why do you want to Make Money Fast? by Apuleius · · Score: 5, Funny

    'nuff said.

  12. Re:Fill out forms by iapetus · · Score: 2

    But it still shows that the host is receiving the mails and *someone* is reading them. The solution for link-following is to remove anything from the link which might provide information about who's responding (anything that looks like a unique identifier, in particular a reference to your e-mail address). For responding, perhaps the best approach is to forge your own headers (fighting fire with fire) to give the impression of responding from an account that genuinely *is* invalid.

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  13. Eliza for tech support by FozzTexx · · Score: 5, Funny

    At a company I worked at a few years ago, there was one particular customer who liked to bug tech support just to have someone to talk to. He'd ask the most inane questions, then when he got the answer, he'd generally say "Why would I want to do that?" in reference to what he was asking us how to do in the first place!

    It got old and so we set up a psuedo tech support person and had that person handle all his tech support. We would send his email through Eliza (the one in emacs) and then take Eliza's responses and send it back to him. This seemed to keep him satisfied, and kept our tech support from getting aggravated by him.

  14. How about a Dr. Sbaitso version? by Ulwarth · · Score: 1

    My favorite Eliza program of all time has to be Dr. Sbaitso that came with the original Creative Labs SoundBlaster card. I'd love to hear the ol' doctor saying, "Make.Money.Fast!"

  15. Re:Fill out forms by BrookHarty · · Score: 2

    The problem with clicking links or repsonding, you just verified your a valid email address...

  16. Re:Faked FROM fields. by nomadic · · Score: 3, Funny

    What we NEED instead of more stupid laws (we have enough idiotic ideas about computer "crime" in law enforcement already, Taco) is legal recourse for the recipient

    Giving a legal recourse for the recipient would require a law you know.

  17. Re:suggestion.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Care to explain how you do that? I didn't think you could.

  18. Re:cool :) by reverius · · Score: 2, Funny

    Tell me about your mother...

    But seriously. If your Samba isn't working right, then you do have a problem... how are you supposed to attract the opposite sex without the proper tools?

    UUCP and FTP may be attractive, but lets face it. The girls want Samba, and lots of it. And what can you do about that?

    Introducing Siagra, the one and only fix for all of your Samba problems.

    Can't get your Samba up to do its thing? Siagra can help. 40% of men over 50 can't get their Samba to work. But Siagra is a new revolutionary herbal extract. It's not a drug. It will work wonders. It can do what you never thought possible!

  19. Re:cool :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heh, did you ever watch Blade Runner? :)

  20. How timely.. by LinuxHam · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just downloaded an AliceBot to run on my laptop yesterday, first to see if I can get it to talk XML RPC or SOAP to my home automation server running Misterhouse, and second to see if I could turn it into a level 1 tech support agent for the TOTALLY inane questions that cripple the daily operations of my client's help desk.

    First thing I have to do is whittle down AliceBot's knowledge base from over 27,000 categories to just a few. First, how to get the weather report. Next, how to read Slashdot, and finally, the rest of home automation.

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  21. Any one know? by gordzilla · · Score: 1

    Has anyone been able it impliment this with pine?

  22. Re:Sounds like a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still not true. Spammers get paid per email sent, not by how many are recieved.

  23. Re:suggestion.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no, sorry, you are wrong.

    bye now!

    (parent post author thinks forging email is not possible!)

  24. if i was a spammer.. by Deleted · · Score: 1

    I don't promote spamming, and find it just as annoying as the next man. But if i was a spammer, i'd set the Reply as the e-mail address of the makers of Eliza.. make their dumb perl script backfire on them. (:

  25. Re:Cost them $ with your mouse - it's easy: by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    > Click here, go down the list and open each link in a new window (rightclick, openinnewwindow then tally up the $ damage yourself.

    Does it work if you open them in a new tab in Galeon? That way you don't even have to see them.

    More generally, this looks like a scripting job. Even if they track IPs that have visited, people with dial-up connections could run the script every time they dialed up, with a low probability of duplicates. What would happen if one of the advertisers suddenly ran up a $3,000 bill? Or $30,000? Or $300,000?

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  26. spam haiku by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not respond to spam with something artsy?

    Spam is meat
    Can is so ethereal
    Content no good

    Now, if only there were a Perl script to randomly generate some decent haiku.

  27. Re:Fill out forms by glitch! · · Score: 2

    The problem with clicking links or repsonding, you just verified your a valid email address...

    Not neccesarily. You could configure your domain's "default" entry in virtusertab to forward every non-valid email address to your spam parser. The parser could determine whether it has links or other spam indicators and send it to the spam responder or postmaster as appropriate.

    This would have the interesting effect of making the invalid email addresses appear to be get a better response than the actual addresses...

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  28. How about a perl script that will go to this page. by iconnor · · Score: 1

    ...follow the links automatically? That could be set on a cron job to hit it every day.

  29. Forgery? No by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 1

    Instead of treating it as forgery why not merge the functions of POP and SMTP into a unified service that incorporates address validation as part of the protocol? If we treat fake From field as forgery do we also make criminals out of the many people who've entered fake info into HotMail's servers? I hope not.

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  30. Eliza and AIM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speaking of brilliant uses of eliza this one guy used some applescript to create AOLiza, a program which replies to anyone spamming this AIM account using Eliza.

    I recommend number 36 for a quick giggle.

  31. I just poison the lists. by Kris_J · · Score: 2

    I have a bunch of random e-mail addresses linked-to off a period on my home page. If any bot finds it, it gains 2,500 fake addresses. I update it every so often. It was generated by SpamBait. Everyone should do one. I don't have the link to the orignal program, but here's another.

    1. Re:I just poison the lists. by shogun · · Score: 1

      Hmm even better idea, how about making a php script that generates 1000 random email addresses each time its run, and includes multiple links back to itself with different query strings so any email-harvesting spider will keep looping through it collecting trash....

  32. suggestion.... by Marcus+Brody · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The downside of course is that spammers never set their reply correctly.... so this is probably more academic then useful

    Yeah, but its pretty easy to find the server from which the email originated from the full email header, heck, even a perl script could do this... (although i guess there are ways of even spoofing this????).

    Then you just get the script to respond to postmoster or root@offenfing.machine, stating that spam was originating from it. If you include the message ID in the email, the admin can determine the spammer and hopefully will suspend their account. The again, it might be the admin doing the spamming....
    1. Re:suggestion.... by 13013dobbs · · Score: 2
      Yeah, but its pretty easy to find the server from which the email originated from the full email header, heck, even a perl script could do this... (although i guess there are ways of even spoofing this????).
      There is no way to spoof the IP address in the 'Recieved" lines. The SMTP server that recieves the message records what IP it got it from. As far as a script to read the headers, be careful. Spammers do add extra 'Recieved' lines to throw of parsers (and humans).

      Then you just get the script to respond to postmoster or root@offenfing.machine, stating that spam was originating from it. If you include the message ID in the email, the admin can determine the spammer and hopefully will suspend their account. The again, it might be the admin doing the spamming....
      Your best bet for finding an address to complaint to would to use 'abuse.net'. They have a whois server (at whois.abuse.net) that you can query against a domain; the server will tell you the best address to complain to.

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  33. Re:Or, to speak their language: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or even link to C:\CON\CON ?

  34. An interesting point . . . by Wire+Tap · · Score: 0
    The downside of course is that spammers never set their reply correctly (which I think is forgery, and should be treated as such). . .

    I have two points to make in response to this.
    A) Would it really matter if the spammers addresses' were set correctly? I can't find a reason for it to mean anything, either for them or for us. Sure, it would be easier for us to complain to various organizations about certian users, but that is really incidental to the problem.
    B)About the forgery thing... I have an email account under an alias name, for various reasons (such as having registration emails sent to it), and I don't want my name to be eligible for spam. Is that a forgery? I don't think it is. There is no direct damage done by having an alias set for either the name or reply address. Sounds like you need to back up a bit more of what you say, Mr. Taco. Not having the reply address set correctly is, in my opinion, tantamount to using pseudonyms - like CmdrTaco. There is nothing illegal about that.

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  35. Re:Spam Control by nut · · Score: 1

    A little bit of natural language processing of a basic nature (look for "reply to this address" type phrases) could also be done if you wanted. But probably any email address in the email would be fair game. Set Eliza up with it's own email address, and see how much traffic you can generate...

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  36. SirCam and Eliza by UnclePaeng · · Score: 5, Funny

    SirCam: Hi! How are you? Eliza: Why are you interested in whether or not I am ? SirCam: I send you this file in order to have your advice. Eliza: You're not really talking about me, are you? SirCam: See you later. Thanks Eliza: Oh... later. Thanks?

    1. Re:SirCam and Eliza by afflatus_com · · Score: 1

      Dude, that is superb. Thanks for the laugh. Moderators, could you please put this up to +5 (Sorry don't have any points today). Best wishes, Robert

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  37. Re:small problem here by 13013dobbs · · Score: 2
    Then how do they get customers? I suppose they may use a URL, but then one can Elizacate their e-shoppe. It might be a bit more work, but not entirely out of the question. Sort of a D.O.S. attack using Eliza-like technology.

    Most smart spammers (I know that may be an conflict in terms) will either use a phone number, a physical address, or a web form. The only thing you can attack there is the web form. Spammers will usually set a maximum length per field. You may only use 30 characters for your name, 10 numbers for your phone number, and 50 characters for a comment. The way around this is to save a local copy of the form and strip out the max length variables. Then set eliza on it, or just pipe the chargen port to it.

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  38. Re:cool :) by jchristopher · · Score: 3, Funny

    How does that make you feel that you have a problem with Samba 2.02?

  39. Kind of like SpamMimic by westfirst · · Score: 2

    This is funny. Just like SpamMimic.com , a program that hides secret messages as spam.
    You could hook up two bots to talk to each other secretly.

  40. Re:Or, to speak their language: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    Oh how I despise marketspeak buzzwords.

    But, the sad reality is that truth doesn't sell and bullshit does. Stupid sheeple.

  41. Re:Faked FROM fields. by dublin · · Score: 2

    What we NEED instead of more stupid laws... I mean a law that explicitly states this...

    ROFL - Is this true cognitive dissonance, or just the normal rantings of the average young Ritalin-drenched brain?

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  42. Like that fools anybody anyway by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Don't you think someone writing an email harvester can figure out to put s/NOSPAM//g in their code?

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  43. Hm. by Scoria · · Score: 1

    220-initialized.org ESMTP Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 5.0.2195.2532 220- 220-By attempting to use our server for unauthorized relaying (spamming), you ag ree to allow us unrestricted access to all of the computers you own indefinitely . If you do not agree to these terms of use, do not attempt to spam using our se rver. 220- 220 Now that I've said this, welcome to Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service.

    (Note: Hold the flames. With a little research, you'll find that little Microsoft MAIL service header is a joke.)

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  44. Re:cool :) by garcia · · Score: 2

    umm it isn't called Siagra. It is called SWAT ;)

  45. Re:cool :) by reverius · · Score: 1

    Freudian Psychology, in case you missed the reference... but I have no idea what your post is about. :)

  46. DON'T follow web links automatically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those of you who are thinking about automatically going to the spammer's web site, you need to keep in mind that URLs can be very personal--even a different URL for each recipient. This is really bad when you combine it with spam messages that ask you to click on a link to confirm you (that's specifically you) agree to their offer and terms.

    I found this out in a difficult--but not as bad as it could have been--way, as I had a spammer send me a message with a link to automatically remove my address. Following that link, caused their system to send me a message saying "Ok, but if you want to come back follow this link". Following that link resulted in a message saying "welcome! if you need to leave, use this link". Since my spam script caught both kinds of their messages, even though it only does a pre-trace and does not respond automatically, just by tracing their url I had a mail loop. I'd hate to think about if there was a mail loop and a product order... Eek.

    Very disappointing, as I was initially thinking URL tracing was perfect, because the spammer couldn't do anything a browser wouldn't follow, which means it's actually easy to trace past redirectors and such. I have that part disabled now, as I have yet to resolve this issue. Any ideas would be most welcome (and you can have my script too :)

  47. FP by jchristopher · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    First (logged in) Post. AC dont count.

  48. Re:FP by reverius · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Where the fuck do you get your karma!??

    I've seen your posts. Most of them are trolls and flamebait. You post first, read later.

    This makes me wonder how you managed to rack up enough karma points to get a +1 bonus, because according to the moderation done to your comment, you were posting at +2.

  49. Re:poor eyesight... by jeffy124 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    karma whore .... lets see, Karma for an AC - NONE! My karma: 49. Some moderator thought my post was redundant and caused me to lose the perfect 50 I had goin.

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  50. Re:hehe... now this has possibilities... by GC · · Score: 2

    I'm at 48 - so enough Karma to burn. Just like to leave something here before this topic gets archived and I cannot have my say.

    Personally I think the idiots who rated this post as "Overrated" and "Offtopic" are idiots.

    Offtopic - my arse - you lame moderator shit. You just cannot seee deep enough to understand humor.

    Overrated - hah! let yourself be known, and let's see your posts.

    Perhaps it will all come out in M2. I've moderated and I know that anybody who moderates a post as "Overrated" is a self-centered pig. It's a lame moderators tool used where a moderator doesn't share the same sense of humor as others. Beware, next time I moderate - If I see any posts moderated as both "Funny" and "Overrated" then I will rate it as "Underated"

    Fucking Wankers!!!

  51. Cost them $ with your mouse - it's easy: by jcapell · · Score: 5, Informative

    Click here, go down the list and open each link in a new window (rightclick, openinnewwindow then tally up the $ damage yourself.

    Hit 'em where it hurtz -

    1. Re:Cost them $ with your mouse - it's easy: by AME · · Score: 2

      Now why can't we get some worm ala CodeRed to make everybody's computer do this?

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    2. Re:Cost them $ with your mouse - it's easy: by Cerberus9 · · Score: 1
      What would happen if one of the advertisers suddenly ran up a $3,000 bill? Or $30,000? Or $300,000?

      I know what happens - from personal experience selling ad space on a very high traffic website. What happens is they don't pay, and when you sue them they declare bankruptcy and still don't pay.

    3. Re:Cost them $ with your mouse - it's easy: by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      Hit 'em where it hurtz

      Agreed completely. I visited Lenny's war on spam and found a script there that almost worked (perhaps it did, back in February; goto.com must have changed their formatting).

      After 4 hours or so of picking at it, I've fixed it up so it will keep a log, give you reports on how much you've cost each spammer, a total for each day, as well as the grand total.

      I want to take it further, and create a web page for it to send data to -- so it can drop the lines it adds to the logfile, and we can have a backend that collects these from around the world, and displays a running total like those world population signs. But that was too much for just one evening. ;-)

      I emailed it to Lenny, but I'll post it here for those who want it now.

      You can easily add this as a cron job (or NT's equivalent) and have it run every, say, 15 minutes. You won't notice the bandwidth it takes up, and you'll be costing them about $2,400 a day.

      From here to the end of this post (my sig), it's all script. The name is kill_goto_spammers.pl.

      Thanks to the lameness filters, I am not able to share this with you. If you want it, email me.

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  52. Re:True to form by reverius · · Score: 1

    Well, I disagree... the /. spammers are not as bad as the real thing. Or maybe worse. Depends on your perspective.

    Spam: "Get thin! Make money! Hot girls!!"

    /.: "First post! Natalie Portman! Hot Grits!!"

    One is trying to screw you over and get your credit card number, while the other is just amused by annoying people... you decide which is worse. :)

  53. Re:Sounds like a bad idea by 13013dobbs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Also spammers don't use their own email addresses. They will use a random address at some innocent domain, or they will use the address of some one who complained. When you use this, you are harassing some innocent person.

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  54. Chat bot in Action. :) by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Had to try it out. Heres the results from a typical spam...

    [headers snipped]
    Subject: Re: .BIZ .INFO Domains activation dates

    Thank you for your mail! I am new to here, and
    +do not have good english -- forgive :)>Dear Domain Registrant,

    Hi, how are you?

    >The dateline for .BIZ domains has been announced - Sept 17, 2001 is
    >the last date for early-birds to pre-register their .BIZ domains.
    >For .INFO domains, Sept 12, 2001 is scheduled to be the start-up date,
    >where all pre-registrations made earlier will be processed.

    What answer would please you most?

    >We are now accepting pre-registrations for the new top level domains with
    >extensions .BIZ, .INFO, .PRO, and .NAME. It is expected that over 3 million
    >of
    >these new domain names will be registered in the first few minutes when
    >registration opens later this year. This will be the largest virtual real
    >estate land grab in the history of the Internet.

    I've told you before, I don't care about names -- please c

    >According to the ZDNet July 2nd news article, industry experts have
    >"estimated that 15 million dot-biz names will be registered by 2005".

    I'm not sure I understand you fully.

    >If you are looking for a great name like Cars.biz or Stocks.info, be
    >prepared to face some stiff competition unless you pre-register early.
    >http://www.NewExtensionsNow.com has built the premier pre-registration
    >engine
    >that can help you to secure the domain you want. Over 500,000 names have
    >already been queued into our list and good names are going fast. If your
    >domain name is important to you, do not wait until the last minute. Go to
    >http://www.NewExtensionsNow.com to pre-register now.

    I am not interested in names.

    >If you have received this mailing in error, or do not wish
    >to receive any further mailings from us, simply click here:

    I would like to visit your site, but my mouse is broken

    >http://www.newextensionsnow.com/cgi-bin/remove. cgi ?email=[snip]

    That is interesting. Please continue.

    1. Re:Chat bot in Action. :) by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

      I cant believe I just pick a Spam by random, and I check my email, and get another "EXACT" spam message. Life can be funny sometimes....

  55. Sounds like a bad idea by Skuto · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hmm, isn't replying to spam bad because it will
    mark your address as 'in use' with spammers?

    This looks like a fun thingy, but I wouldn't
    use it to acutally reply to spammers for sure...

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    1. Re:Sounds like a bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spammers get paid per email sent, not by how many are recieved.
      really? I ought to become a spammer and fire a few million at 20 char's of 'a' + dev/random % 26 (or however that shit goes) @ hotmail.com....heheh. Or better yet, fire 'em at dev/null. Then hotmail won't even try to get your ISP to disconnect you. Hell, you don't even need an ISP then. Oh the possibilities....

  56. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ? just gave me an idea.

    The downside of course is that spammers never set their reply correctly (which I think is forgery, and should be treated as such)

    hy not have mail systems check back with the return address to verify it as sent / approved to be sent from that address. Then label the mail accordingly - approved by labelled sender or not. Then receivers can choose whether they want unverified mail or not, in advance of receiving it. Hmm. Of course this could be detrimental to anonymous communications hich have they own set of (very) useful qualities. (Specially against corrupt governments.)

  57. The spammers have definately won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that people spend their time doing this, means the spammers have justified their existence. Every iota of effort you put into dealing with their crap is a win for them.

  58. Re:Fill out forms by Pedrito · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This guy has a lot of interesting ideas. I would think it would be fairly simple to write a program that did the following things:

    1: If a SPAM message contains a form, you forward it to the program (which would create a local SMTP server to receive messages only from you). It would fill the form with random data, but somewhat intelligently, by parsing the HTML and figuring out what is valid for the form.

    2: If a SPAM message goes to a web site with a form, go to that form in your browser. Run the anti-spam program and click a button to auto-fill the form. You could configure it to fill out the form multiple times, in the background, without user intervention.

    3: If the SPAM message contains a link to geocities, or other free web hosting services, forward the e-mail to your anti-spam program's local SMTP server. It will grab the link and then forward the e-mail, header, and link to the appropriate abuse@ address.

    There are probably other things like this that could be done. If someone wrote this program, I'd use it religiously, and I'd imagine a lot of other people would too. If it was easy enough to use and as unobtrusive as possible, people would be using it like crazy. The spammers would get wiped out.

    Believe me, if I had the spare time, I'd start writing this program today.

  59. Re:Forgery? by ccarr.com · · Score: 1

    The NOSPAM trick isn't designed to fool anyone; a forged reply-to header is.

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  60. Re:Forgery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, it's easy to add that to their code, BUT... How many spammers write their own tools? My guess would be less than 1%. Also, not everybody does the same NOSPAM thing, so adding band-aid code to capture those email addys would seem like a long, cumbersome process that would cost them more to implement than they would benefit.

  61. can you give me your advice on the following

  62. Forgery? by Kasreyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    (which I think is forgery, and should be treated as such)

    Strange. When slashdotters insert "NOSPAM" in their email addresses, making them incorrect and misleading, it's fine. And when the government proposes systems to track everyone online, the /. crowd erupts in a furor of activity, denouncing it as tyrannical. Yet, when spammers spoof their email addresses to avoid backlash of outraged netters too dumb to view the real headers and do a whois, (ab)using the very same online anonymity, it's suddenly "forgery".

    Pfft, yeah, whatever. Let's start making some sense now Rob, hmmm?

    -Kasreyn

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    1. Re:Forgery? by Pembers · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. I'd say the distinction is that when you put "NOSPAM" or something similar in your email address on a web page, you're attempting to deceive a computer. You put something nearby that says "remove 'NOSPAM' to email" and a person who reads it will know what to do. (If they're too stupid to figure it out, well, you probably didn't want to hear from them anyway ;-) A bot that reads the page will just take the address as it finds it, and the spammer won't be able to email you.

      OTOH, when a spammer forges their email address in the headers, they're attempting to deceive a human. If a human can't figure out the spammer's real address, a computer has no chance.

    2. Re:Forgery? by macsforever2001 · · Score: 1

      When slashdotters insert "NOSPAM" in their email addresses, making them incorrect and misleading, it's fine.

      The difference is that posting on Slashdot is *not* email. You have to go to Shashdot which means it is a choice you make. Email comes to you and hence is a burden. If the sender fakes the address, only then is it forgery.

  63. @blibs.com by slashkitty · · Score: 5, Funny

    Haha. Well, I have been using a bunch of robot responders for email. You can reach alice@blibs.com, eliza@blibs.com and even mrt@blibs.com .. Alice and Mr. T will remember stuff about you and you can almost carry on a conversation with them. have fun.

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  64. response by fender0011 · · Score: 4, Offtopic

    And how does it make you feel that eliza responds to spam?

    1. Re:response by estes_grover · · Score: 1

      Like i have a tight metal band around my forehead.

  65. forgery vs. forgery by 13013dobbs · · Score: 2, Redundant

    If the spammers was forging a non-existant email address at a non-existant domain, there might not be much of a problem. (Cause, no one is geting 'hurt') But, spammers often times forge addresses in innocent third party domains, or will forge addresses of inocent third parties. In these cases the postmaster at the domain, or the person getting the thousands of bounces, gets hurt. That is where the problem arises.

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    1. Re:forgery vs. forgery by ichimunki · · Score: 1

      No kidding. This is exactly the problem. Hopefully the next generation of computer users will be a little more aware for the most part-- having grown up with things like e-mail as a part of their lexicon. Of course, mail fraud happens everyday and we've had the postal system for at least 100 years-- so maybe I'm being too optimistic.

      For the rest of us, I suppose we could simply refuse to accept any and all unsigned (y'know what I mean, PGP/GPG-signed) mail. The same as we'd probably throw out snail mail envelopes that aren't informative about the sender-- or don't include some other clue that the contents are not just junk mail. Of course, the only snail mail I get like that's anonymous at the envelope level is from Planned Parenthood, they seem to think it's a good marketing gimmick.

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    2. Re:forgery vs. forgery by Blackheart2 · · Score: 1

      Good point, but trying to force people to be honest about their email address by legislating it is a poor solution; it can't be realistically enforced, for one thing.

      The right solution is to recognize that the reply address is easily forgeable, and figure out a technical solution (say, a separate header which includes some kind of certificate) which guarantees the email's origin is accurate. Then the public will learn to accept and reply to only emails with such a certificate of origin, and may ignore ones which are otherwise questionable.

      In my view, technological solutions are usually superior to legal ones. I'm not an anarchist, but I think the law is easy for large corporations and other organizations to bend, and, though new laws may make some things better for the public in the short run, ultimately a large body of laws just complicates all our lives and it is mostly the lawyers and people who can afford to retain them who benefit. Technological solutions at least are not subject to interpretation or ambiguity.

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    3. Re:forgery vs. forgery by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      There is a technical solution : PKI. But it's not going to ever work.

      There's a technical solution for most e-mail worms out there. It's called "not clicking". Now, not running a program is significantly easier than running a program, yet it still happens. If people can't not use something, how can you expect them to use something even more complex?

  66. Re:Eliza for general e-mail reply by tyoud1 · · Score: 1
    Oh what I really wanted to add:

    The hardest thing to fight is people's assumption that because they do things one at a time, by hand (but on a computer), that there's no way someone could script all the "thinking" they're doing and take care of the exceptions. Well.. they're mostly wrong!

    But sometimes scripts fail for funny reasons, like running out of disk space, which means their temp files don't work... but whatever. Other scripts are looking into the disk space problem...

    :)

  67. yess... by jqh1 · · Score: 1

    we had long talked about wiring Eliza into spamgourmet - which is perl already. Won't take long, now...

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  68. Familiar by AintTooProudToBeg · · Score: 1

    Anybody recognize the fifth guy from the left?

    http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=966&last node_id=9953

  69. Re:Faked FROM fields. by bluephone · · Score: 1

    Yes yes, but I mean no more STUPID laws like making it illegal to spoof the FROM: field.

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  70. Re:cool :) by Aceticon · · Score: 1

    I see that you like dancing ...

  71. Re:Or, to speak their language: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ALTERNATIVELY: Attached is my credit card information. Click to open. ccinfo.doc

  72. Re:poor eyesight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "perfect 50" is POST-cap ... some of US have karma's over 100... still.

  73. Re:FP by camusflage · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Where the fuck do you get your karma!??

    Simple. Look at his user page and you'll see a bell curve of inane drivel modded as such, unmodded posts, and highly modded (mostly) on-topic posts. If even I can get a bonus, it's not that hard (this post doesn't have it for the reason you can disable it: this post isn't worth +2). Posting early helps, even if it is a half-cocked opinion. Getting stories posted helps too. Each one is +5. Of course, the only thing karma is good for is making my co-workers jealous.

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  74. No download option: by metallidrone · · Score: 1

    Just add --spider to your list of options and it will merely access the specified URLs and not download them (I use it in a script to help me move around my slashboxes when I feel like redecorating without reloading the full front page 20 times).

  75. Re:cool :) by jeffodesbois · · Score: 1

    Real nice.

    I think it can also be used to answer the kind of email you receave from people that does not want to said they don't write email. So they write interresting thinks like :

    Hello
    How are you ?

    answer :
    How do you do? What brings you to see me?

    definitly , it might be a good answering machine

  76. hehe... now this has possibilities... by GC · · Score: 1, Funny

    Hi, How are you?

    I send you this file in order to have your advice

    See you later. Thanks

  77. Re:cool :) by reverius · · Score: 1

    No, I guess that's why I missed the reference. :)

  78. THAN by p_trinli · · Score: 1

    more academic then useful

    I mean, I know this guy just did the "only CS courses" route at college, but I swear... is it so fucking hard? THAN!

  79. spam by 4444444 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    you can find out how you can help give spammers a hard time here http://www.lenny.com/spam please help fight spam

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  80. Re:Faked FROM fields. by No+One · · Score: 1

    It's the standard Republican/Libertarian doublethink. "Big governement is bad! More regulation is bad! More laws are bad! Anyone who supports these is bad, and not as smart as I am (because anyone who disagrees with me is obviously stupid), and eeeeeeevil!!! Oh, except in these areas where I, personally, think the government should get involved. Those are OK."

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  81. Re:poor eyesight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fuck off you ridiculously lame and innefective karma whore. i shit in your general direction.

  82. Eliza replies to spam: "Tell me about your mother" by hillct · · Score: 2
    Forget the fill in forms. Too much effort. I got an email recently, about how I could be making $10,000/week working from home. If only I had ELIXA implementation to respond for me... I can see the response now:

    Oh, I can make $10,000/week? How do you really feel about me making $10,000/week... wouldn't this just contribute to your feelings of inadequacy, stemming from your overly controlling mother? Perhaps if you tell me more about your relationship with your mother we can delve more deeply into the issues underlying your antisocial need to waste people's time with stupid email offers that no one gives a damn about.

    Then again, I don't have the time to re-code ELIZA to do this, and besides, it's easier to bounce the email back after convirting it to an M$ Office document and attaching it, with a simple explanation:
    Hi! How are you?
    I send you this file in order to have your advice
    See you later. Thanks
    This seems easier than the forms approach...
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  83. True to form by The+Angry+Clam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it only me who's noticed the irony that on an article about punishing spammers, the /. equivalent of them is out in force?

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  84. cool :) by XRayX · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh cool. Maybe Eliza can answer the tons of Linux Questions my LUG E-Mail List delivers to me daily:
    Question: "Hey Eliza! I have aproblem with Samba 2.0.2"
    Eliza: "Tell me about your problem!"
    Question: "The Win 9x clients can't get acces to my Samba File-Server."
    Eliza: "That's a pitty. Your Win 9x clients can't get acces to your Samba File-Server..."
    ...
    X

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    1. Re:cool :) by stevie-boy · · Score: 1

      I came across a JavaScript Eliza implementation and turned it into

      Virtual Tech Chat

      A parody of AOL UK's online tech support, which arguably gives more sensible answers ;-)

    2. Re:cool :) by Fishstick · · Score: 1
      >What is "SWAT"?

      web administration tool for SAMBA servers...

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    3. Re:cool :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blade runner, in case you missed the reference. In which movie the quote was also a freudian reference...

      :)

    4. Re:cool :) by Chundra · · Score: 1

      SWAT only works for heterosexual (or lesbian) Sambas. Might as well be politically correct, and include the Spenis tool too.

  85. Eliza for general e-mail reply by The+Ape+With+No+Name · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My friend and I have been kicking around an idea to use Eliza to reply to all e-mail. You could give it an AI that looks at a real response to a similar question, keep a database of those replies and then only forward messages to you that require a reply because the algorithm doesn't have a context to reply from. I already have a script that ssh's into machines that I maintain and do sudos and greps and such. My boss thinks that you have to constantly futz with things and be logged in all the time. He is the last log \ /var/log/messages king. He'd probably can me if he knew that I wasn't at the switch constantly, but then again it took me a week to explain how to even check logs.

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    1. Re:Eliza for general e-mail reply by tyoud1 · · Score: 1
      Nod, at my work when I was an operator they wanted someone to constantly check on the status of a job in a VMS system. I obliged by writing expect scripts that would get in, saving the logs to a file, and when it got to the right spot to really check the status (a particular screen), then I would stop logging and log out. Then I would play the log into a virtual curses 25x80 screen and cut out the right rows and columns to figure out the status.

      Checking the machine four times a night became easy. I think it helped them to focus on their work, knowing that things were taken care of.

  86. Re:Fill out forms by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
    Hey Monty,

    I replied earlier to jcapell , and since yours was the post that sent me to Lenny's, I thought I'd direct you to my reply . I think you'll like it -- I took the script that was there and improved it quite a bit.

    Enjoy,

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  87. Re:Fill out forms by Pedrito · · Score: 2

    How is it fraud to fill out a form that:

    1: You didn't request

    2: You don't want to read

    3: It's SPAM

    4: It's public. That means: It's like a message board. You can write whatever you want. If the "moderators" of the board don't like it, they can remove it, but 1 and 2 of my post fall under free speech, in the States, and I doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees with it.

    Remember, 98% of these guys are forging their e-mail addresses, which makes them guilty in some dozen states, or so, of the U.S. So they're going to come after me for posting garbage to their forms? I doubt it.

  88. Re:Fill out forms by MontyP · · Score: 1

    That is excellent! Thank you. I will get my hands on it from jcapell. Hopefully Lenny can post it on his site. thanks again.

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  89. Great. Now you have just educated ... by Skuggan · · Score: 1

    at least 100 new /. spammers. Great job...

    I believe 1 out of 1000 users will actually start using these tools....

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  90. Re:poor eyesight... by lordkuri · · Score: 1

    I do believe that's the biggest post, outside of John Katz's, that I have ever seen.

  91. Return addresses by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

    I've noticed that many spammers are using the addresses their mailing to as the return address. So basically you'd be spamming yourself by trying to combat spam with this method.

    There seems to be a better way of detering spam. The way spammers avoid being stopped now is by obscurity. If there is a way of setting up checks and balances on email, it needs to be done. If creating a new protocal to replace smtp and pop3 is the only way, please someone do it.

    ~LoudMusic

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  92. Fill out forms by MontyP · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now all it has to do is click on the link in the spam and fill out forms with data to clog their databases. More information can be found here:

    http://lenny.com/spam/index.html

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    1. Re:Fill out forms by Apache · · Score: 1

      Careful with 1 and 2, they might count as fraud, even if they are trying to fraud you in the first place. As for 3, check out spamcop.net, they have scripts that are great for finding out contact info for free hosting services and such.

  93. poor eyesight... by jeffy124 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Geez I can barely read the code! For anyone else who's hard of seeing and in case of slashdotting:

    #!perl.exe
    use Chatbot::Eliza;
    use strict;

    #
    # get mail as a whole
    #
    $|++;
    $/=undef;
    my $file = <>;
    $/="\n";

    my ($headers,$mail)= split /\n\n/, $file,2;
    my @headers = split "\n", $headers;
    foreach (@headers ){
    s/^To\s*\:/From\:/i && next;
    s/^From\s*\:/To\:/i && next;
    s/^Subject\s*: (.*?)/Subject: Re: $1/i;
    s/CC\s*:.*/CC:/i;
    }
    $headers=join "\n", @headers;

    #
    # paragraphs
    #
    my @paras = split /\n{2,}/, $mail;

    my $chatbot= new Chatbot::Eliza "your name here", "chatrex.txt";
    my $resp=$headers."\n\nThank you for your mail! I am new to here, and
    +do not have good english -- forgive :)";
    my $reply;

    foreach (@paras) {
    $reply = $chatbot->transform( "$_");
    $_= ">" . $_;
    $_= join "\n>",split ("\n", $_);
    $resp .= "$_\n\n$reply\n\n";
    }

    print $resp;

    Here is the modified vocabulary, chatrex.txt.

    initial: How do you do. Please tell me your problem.
    initial: Hello, I am a computer program.
    initial: Please tell me what's been bothering you.
    initial: Is something troubling you?
    final: Goodbye. It was nice talking to you.
    final: Goodbye. I hope you found this session helpful.
    final: I think you should talk to a REAL analyst. Ciao!
    final: Life is tough. Hang in there!
    quit: bye
    quit: goodbye
    quit: done
    quit: exit
    quit: quit
    pre: dont don't
    pre: cant can't
    pre: wont won't
    pre: recollect remember
    pre: recall remember
    pre: dreamt dreamed
    pre: dreams dream
    pre: maybe perhaps
    pre: certainly yes
    pre: machine computer
    pre: machines computer
    pre: computers computer
    post: am are
    post: your my
    post: yours mine
    pre: were was
    post: me you
    pre: you're you are
    pre: i'm i am
    post: myself yourself
    post: yourself myself
    post: i you
    post: you me
    post: my your
    post: me you
    post: i'm you are
    pre: same alike
    pre: identical alike
    pre: equivalent alike
    synon: belief feel think believe wish
    synon: family mother mom father dad sister brother wife children child
    +
    synon: desire want need
    synon: sad unhappy depressed sick
    synon: happy elated glad better
    synon: cannot can't
    synon: everyone everybody nobody noone
    synon: be am is are was
    key: xnone -1
    decomp: *
    reasmb: I'm not sure I understand you fully.
    reasmb: Please go on.
    reasmb: That is interesting. Please continue.
    reasmb: Tell me more about that.
    reasmb: Does talking about this bother you ?
    key: sorry 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Please don't apologise.
    reasmb: Apologies are not necessary.
    reasmb: I've told you that apologies are not required.
    reasmb: It did not bother me. Please continue.
    key: apologise 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto sorry
    key: remember 5
    decomp: * i remember *
    reasmb: Do you often think of (2) ?
    reasmb: Does thinking of (2) bring anything else to mind ?
    reasmb: What else do you recollect ?
    reasmb: Why do you remember (2) just now ?
    reasmb: What in the present situation reminds you of (2) ?
    reasmb: What is the connection between me and (2) ?
    reasmb: What else does (2) remind you of ?
    decomp: * do you remember *
    reasmb: Did you think I would forget (2) ?
    reasmb: Why do you think I should recall (2) now ?
    reasmb: What about (2) ?
    reasmb: goto what
    reasmb: You mentioned (2) ?
    decomp: * you remember *
    reasmb: How could I forget (2) ?
    reasmb: What about (2) should I remember ?
    reasmb: goto you
    key: forget 5
    decomp: * i forget *
    reasmb: Can you think of why you might forget (2) ?
    reasmb: Why can't you remember (2) ?
    reasmb: How often do you think of (2) ?
    reasmb: Does it bother you to forget that ?
    reasmb: Could it be a mental block ?
    reasmb: Are you generally forgetful ?
    reasmb: Do you think you are suppressing (2) ?
    decomp: * did you forget *
    reasmb: Why do you ask ?
    reasmb: Are you sure you told me ?
    reasmb: Would it bother you if I forgot (2) ?
    reasmb: Why should I recall (2) just now ?
    reasmb: goto what
    reasmb: Tell me more about (2).
    key: if 3
    decomp: * if *
    reasmb: Do you think its likely that (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you wish that (2) ?
    reasmb: What do you know about (2) ?
    reasmb: Really, if (2) ?
    reasmb: What would you do if (2) ?
    reasmb: But what are the chances that (2) ?
    reasmb: What does this speculation lead to ?
    key: dreamed 4
    decomp: * i dreamed *
    reasmb: Really, (2) ?
    reasmb: Have you ever fantasized (2) while you were awake ?
    reasmb: Have you ever dreamed (2) before ?
    reasmb: goto dream
    key: dream 3
    decomp: *
    reasmb: What does that dream suggest to you ?
    reasmb: Do you dream often ?
    reasmb: What persons appear in your dreams ?
    reasmb: Do you believe that dreams have something to do with your
    +problem ?
    key: perhaps 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: You don't seem quite certain.
    reasmb: Why the uncertain tone ?
    reasmb: Can't you be more positive ?
    reasmb: You aren't sure ?
    reasmb: Don't you know ?
    reasmb: How likely, would you estimate ?
    key: name 15
    decomp: *
    reasmb: I am not interested in names.
    reasmb: I've told you before, I don't care about names -- please c
    +ontinue.
    key: deutsch 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto xfremd
    reasmb: I told you before, I don't understand German.
    key: francais 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto xfremd
    reasmb: I told you before, I don't understand French.
    key: italiano 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto xfremd
    reasmb: I told you before, I don't understand Italian.
    key: espanol 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto xfremd
    reasmb: I told you before, I don't understand Spanish.
    key: xfremd 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: I speak only English.
    key: hello 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: How do you do. Please state your problem.
    reasmb: Hi. What seems to be your problem ?
    key: computer 50
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Do computers worry you ?
    reasmb: Why do you mention computers ?
    reasmb: What do you think machines have to do with your problem ?
    +
    reasmb: Don't you think computers can help people ?
    reasmb: What about machines worries you ?
    reasmb: What do you think about machines ?
    key: am 0
    decomp: * am i *
    reasmb: Do you believe you are (2) ?
    reasmb: Would you want to be (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you wish I would tell you you are (2) ?
    reasmb: What would it mean if you were (2) ?
    reasmb: goto what
    decomp: * i am *
    reasmb: goto i
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Why do you say 'am' ?
    reasmb: I don't understand that.
    key: are 0
    decomp: * are you *
    reasmb: Why are you interested in whether I am (2) or not ?
    reasmb: Would you prefer if I weren't (2) ?
    reasmb: Perhaps I am (2) in your fantasies.
    reasmb: Do you sometimes think I am (2) ?
    reasmb: goto what
    reasmb: Would it matter to you ?
    reasmb: What if I were (2) ?
    decomp: * you are *
    reasmb: goto you
    decomp: * are *
    reasmb: Did you think they might not be (2) ?
    reasmb: Would you like it if they were not (2) ?
    reasmb: What if they were not (2) ?
    reasmb: Are they always (2) ?
    reasmb: Possibly they are (2).
    reasmb: Are you positive they are (2) ?
    key: your 0
    decomp: * your *
    reasmb: Why are you concerned over my (2) ?
    reasmb: What about your own (2) ?
    reasmb: Are you worried about someone else's (2) ?
    reasmb: Really, my (2) ?
    reasmb: What makes you think of my (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you want my (2) ?
    key: was 2
    decomp: * was i *
    reasmb: What if you were (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you think you were (2) ?
    reasmb: Were you (2) ?
    reasmb: What would it mean if you were (2) ?
    reasmb: What does ' (2) ' suggest to you ?
    reasmb: goto what
    decomp: * i was *
    reasmb: Were you really ?
    reasmb: Why do you tell me you were (2) now ?
    reasmb: Perhaps I already know you were (2).
    decomp: * was you *
    reasmb: Would you like to believe I was (2) ?
    reasmb: What suggests that I was (2) ?
    reasmb: What do you think ?
    reasmb: Perhaps I was (2).
    reasmb: What if I had been (2) ?
    key: i 0
    decomp: * i @desire *
    reasmb: What would it mean to you if you got (3) ?
    reasmb: Why do you want (3) ?
    reasmb: Suppose you got (3) soon.
    reasmb: What if you never got (3) ?
    reasmb: What would getting (3) mean to you ?
    reasmb: What does wanting (3) have to do with this discussion ?
    decomp: * i am* @sad *
    reasmb: I am sorry to hear that you are (3).
    reasmb: Do you think coming here will help you not to be (3) ?
    reasmb: I'm sure it's not pleasant to be (3).
    reasmb: Can you explain what made you (3) ?
    decomp: * i am* @happy *
    reasmb: How have I helped you to be (3) ?
    reasmb: Has your treatment made you (3) ?
    reasmb: What makes you (3) just now ?
    reasmb: Can you explain why you are suddenly (3) ?
    decomp: * i was *
    reasmb: goto was
    decomp: * i @belief i *
    reasmb: Do you really think so ?
    reasmb: But you are not sure you (3).
    reasmb: Do you really doubt you (3) ?
    decomp: * i* @belief *you *
    reasmb: goto you
    decomp: * i am *
    reasmb: Is it because you are (2) that you came to me ?
    reasmb: How long have you been (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you believe it is normal to be (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you enjoy being (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you know anyone else who is (2) ?
    decomp: * i @cannot *
    reasmb: How do you know that you can't (3) ?
    reasmb: Have you tried ?
    reasmb: Perhaps you could (3) now.
    reasmb: Do you really want to be able to (3) ?
    reasmb: What if you could (3) ?
    decomp: * i don't *
    reasmb: Don't you really (2) ?
    reasmb: Why don't you (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you wish to be able to (2) ?
    reasmb: Does that trouble you ?
    decomp: * i feel *
    reasmb: Tell me more about such feelings.
    reasmb: Do you often feel (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you enjoy feeling (2) ?
    reasmb: Of what does feeling (2) remind you ?
    decomp: * i * you *
    reasmb: Perhaps in your fantasies we (2) each other.
    reasmb: Do you wish to (2) me ?
    reasmb: You seem to need to (2) me.
    reasmb: Do you (2) anyone else ?
    decomp: *
    reasmb: You say (1) ?
    reasmb: Why do you say (1) ?
    reasmb: Can you elaborate on that ?
    reasmb: Do you say (1) for some special reason ?
    reasmb: That's quite interesting.
    key: you 0
    decomp: * you remind me of *
    reasmb: goto alike
    decomp: * you are *
    reasmb: What makes you think I am (2) ?
    reasmb: Does it please you to believe I am (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you sometimes wish you were (2) ?
    reasmb: Perhaps you would like to be (2).
    decomp: * you* me *
    reasmb: Why do you think I (2) you ?
    reasmb: You like to think I (2) you -- don't you ?
    reasmb: What makes you think I (2) you ?
    reasmb: Really, I (2) you ?
    reasmb: Do you wish to believe I (2) you ?
    reasmb: Suppose I did (2) you -- what would that mean ?
    reasmb: Does someone else believe I (2) you ?
    decomp: * you *
    reasmb: I'm glad you've sent me this!
    reasmb: Oh, I (2) ?
    reasmb: You're not really talking about me -- are you ?
    reasmb: How do you think I could (2) ?
    key: yes 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Please go on.
    reasmb: Please tell me some more about this.
    reasmb: Why don't you tell me a little more about this.
    reasmb: I see.
    reasmb: I understand.
    key: no 0
    decomp: * no one *
    reasmb: Are you sure, no one (2) ?
    reasmb: Surely someone (2) .
    reasmb: Can you think of anyone at all ?
    reasmb: Are you thinking of a very special person ?
    reasmb: Who, may I ask ?
    reasmb: You have a particular person in mind, don't you ?
    reasmb: Who do you think you are talking about ?
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Are you saying no just to be negative?
    reasmb: Does this make you feel unhappy?
    reasmb: Why not ?
    reasmb: Why 'no' ?
    key: my 2
    decomp: * my* @family *
    reasmb: Tell me more about your family.
    reasmb: Who else in your family (4) ?
    reasmb: Your (3) ?
    reasmb: What else comes to mind when you think of your (3) ?
    decomp: * my *
    reasmb: Your (2) ?
    reasmb: Why do you say your (2) ?
    reasmb: Does that suggest anything else which belongs to you ?
    reasmb: Is it important to you that your (2) ?
    reasm_for_memory: Let's discuss further why your (2).
    reasm_for_memory: Earlier you said your (2).
    reasm_for_memory: But your (2).
    reasm_for_memory: Does that have anything to do with the fact that
    + your (2) ?
    key: can 0
    decomp: * can you *
    reasmb: You believe I can (2) don't you ?
    reasmb: goto what
    reasmb: You want me to be able to (2).
    reasmb: Perhaps you would like to be able to (2) yourself.
    decomp: * can i *
    reasmb: Whether or not you can (2) depends on you more than on me.
    +
    reasmb: Do you want to be able to (2) ?
    reasmb: Perhaps you don't want to (2).
    reasmb: goto what
    key: what 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Why do you ask ?
    reasmb: Does that question interest you ?
    reasmb: What is it you really want to know ?
    reasmb: Are such questions much on your mind ?
    reasmb: What answer would please you most ?
    reasmb: What do you think ?
    reasmb: What comes to mind when you ask that ?
    reasmb: Have you asked such questions before ?
    reasmb: Have you asked anyone else ?
    key: who 0
    decomp: who *
    reasmb: goto what
    key: when 0
    decomp: when *
    reasmb: goto what
    key: where 0
    decomp: where *
    reasmb: goto what
    key: how 0
    decomp: how *
    reasmb: goto what
    key: because 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Is that the real reason ?
    reasmb: Don't any other reasons come to mind ?
    reasmb: Does that reason seem to explain anything else ?
    reasmb: What other reasons might there be ?
    key: why 0
    decomp: * why don't you *
    reasmb: Do you believe I don't (2) ?
    reasmb: Perhaps I will (2) in good time.
    reasmb: Should you (2) yourself ?
    reasmb: You want me to (2) ?
    reasmb: goto what
    decomp: * why can't i *
    reasmb: Do you think you should be able to (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you want to be able to (2) ?
    reasmb: Do you believe this will help you to (2) ?
    reasmb: Have you any idea why you can't (2) ?
    reasmb: goto what
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto what
    key: everyone 2
    decomp: * @everyone *
    reasmb: Really, (2) ?
    reasmb: Surely not (2).
    reasmb: Can you think of anyone in particular ?
    reasmb: Who, for example?
    reasmb: Are you thinking of a very special person ?
    reasmb: Who, may I ask ?
    reasmb: Someone special perhaps ?
    reasmb: You have a particular person in mind, don't you ?
    reasmb: Who do you think you're talking about ?
    key: everybody 2
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto everyone
    key: nobody 2
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto everyone
    key: noone 2
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto everyone
    key: always 1
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Can you think of a specific example ?
    reasmb: When ?
    reasmb: What incident are you thinking of ?
    reasmb: Really, always ?
    key: alike 10
    decomp: *
    reasmb: In what way ?
    reasmb: What resemblence do you see ?
    reasmb: What does that similarity suggest to you ?
    reasmb: What do you suppose that resemblence means ?
    reasmb: What is the connection, do you suppose ?
    reasmb: Could there really be some connection ?
    reasmb: How ?
    key: like 10
    decomp: * @be *like *
    reasmb: goto alike
    key: different 0
    decomp: *
    reasmb: How is it different ?
    reasmb: What differences do you see ?
    reasmb: What does that difference suggest to you ?
    reasmb: What other distinctions do you see ?
    reasmb: What do you suppose that disparity means ?
    reasmb: Could there be some connection, do you suppose ?
    reasmb: How ?
    key: fuck 10
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto xswear
    key: fucker 10
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto xswear
    key: shit 10
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto xswear
    key: damn 10
    decomp: *
    reasmb: goto xswear
    key: shut 10
    decomp: * shut up *
    reasmb: goto xswear
    key: xswear 10
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Does it make you feel strong to use that kind of language
    +?
    reasmb: Are you venting your feelings now ?
    reasmb: Are you angry ?
    reasmb: Does this topic make you feel angry ?
    reasmb: Is something making you feel angry ?
    reasmb: Does using that kind of language make you feel better ?
    key: click 7
    decomp: click here to be removed
    reasmb: No, please send me more!
    decomp: click here
    reasmb: I would like to visit your site, but my mouse is broken
    key: Dear 5
    decomp: *
    reasmb: Hi there, (2)
    reasmb: Hi, how are you?
    reasmb: Good morning!
    readmb: To whom it concerns,

    --
    The One Rule Of Chess You'll Ever Need: Don't play someone who carries a kit in their bookbag.
  94. Spam Control by lordkuri · · Score: 1

    well... time for a first *real* post =). This is a good idea, if we could engineer a way to verify the "reply-to" addresses. Anyone care to take up the challenge? I'm most definetly not a Perl programmer by any means, but it doesn't seem that the concept of skimming through the e-mail, and "spamming" the addresses listed within (one of them HAS to be the real address), would be too difficult... anyone game?

  95. Enough of the FP's. Get a Life and read the stuff. by maniacdavid · · Score: 1

    Read the article about SPAM and Eliza. Now maybe you should make an educated post about what you just read and bring up some questions or comments about it. The SPAM filter seems to be a great thing and the actual program is not big at all. It looks very very promising.

  96. bouncing mail with procmail by Saint+Nobody · · Score: 3, Interesting

    you can tell procmail to exit with whatever exit code you feel like it. there's an exit code for "no such user" if you can detect your spam with procmail and any combination of scripts, you can force it to send a bounce message saying that the user doesn exist. if you want, you can even force that sendmail-generated bounce message, and still receive the mail.

    consider the following recipes:
    EXITCODE=67 #addressee unknown

    :0 cW
    | ${HOME}/.bin/isitspam.pl

    :0 a
    mail/worms

    EXITCODE=0 #successful termination

    this would have you still able to read your spam, if you're so inclined. (deliver it to /dev/null if you're not.) i would tend to think that a "user does not exist" bounce message would be better for preventing future spam than an annoying little eliza-generated email

    --
    #define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}
    F(#define F(x) int main(){printf(#x,10,#x);}%cF(%s))
  97. Faked FROM fields. by bluephone · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I agree it's nasty, but hardly forgery. It's no more forgery than writing "Dr. Nikolai Pantsanundies, 6th planet of the Gastric System, 7th Dimention" in the return address portion of an envelope. What we NEED instead of more stupid laws (we have enough idiotic ideas about computer "crime" in law enforcement already, Taco) is legal recourse for the recipient. I say, if we can track down who sent it, we should have a legal right to send them a bill, and sue if it's not paid. I mean a law that explicitly states this, not just a sig tagline like some guys have tried over the years.

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    jX [ Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler. - Einstein ]
  98. small problem here by Tablizer · · Score: 0

    >> Spammers use invalid or non-working email addresses <<

    Then how do they get customers? I suppose they may use a URL, but then one can Elizacate their e-shoppe. It might be a bit more work, but not entirely out of the question. Sort of a D.O.S. attack using Eliza-like technology.

  99. Or, to speak their language: by blang · · Score: 5, Funny
    Thank you for your interesting product offer.

    I would like to order one copy of your interesting home business opportunity package, 3 tubes of thigh cream, your revolutionary mass-mailing program, my preapproved credit card, and credit repair package. And if there are any left, given that the offer was a last chance offer, 4 of your revolutionary wireless web cameras.

    Attached is my credit card information. Click to open. ccinfo.doc

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    -- Another senseless waste of fine bytes.
  100. Eliza set us up the bomb by WallyHartshorn · · Score: 1

    You: All your base are belong to us.
    Eliza: What about your own base are belong to us?

  101. Please don't use this by 13013dobbs · · Score: 5, Informative
    This script is useless, unless you just want to harass some innocent third party. You will NOT be responding to the spammer. I know it is tempting to do, but your flames will not do any good. Why is that?

    1. Spammers use invalid or non-working email addresses. While dealing with a spammer at my job (I work an abuse desk). The spammer told me that of a list of 200k email addresses 90% were bogus. Spammers don't put a working email in the 'From:' or 'Reply to:' fields because they would be flooded with bounces.
    2. Spammers use random addresses in some innocent third parties domain. It is for the same reason as above. But this also helps to get past filters that try to determine if a domain is valid.
    3. Spammers use the email address of someone who complained to them, or thier ISP. Spammers do this so the complainer gets to deal with the thousands of bounces, plus the flames, and now all the eliza replies.
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  102. SpamCop by jekk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Or, if you're lazy, you can have SpamCop do all of that FOR you!

    It's a cool service. Offered free, but I recomend you pay for it... doesn't cost much and it's such a great service.

  103. Procmail anti-spam by LinuxHam · · Score: 1

    Procmail is awesome for filtering spam.

    O'Reilly's "Stopping Spam" features a Procmail recipe that institutes an "approved sender" list. In order to get through, a sender will need to send you just one email with your custom keyword on the subject line. Until that email is received, procmail replies to emails with instructions on becoming an "approved sender".

    Spammers usually forge a return address, and also forge a different return address for each mass mailing. They never get your instructions, and their mail never gets through.

    You can get it here. Also, you should check your full headers ('h' in pine) and see if your mail host is doing blacklist checking. You'll notice an X-Spam-Warning near the end of the headers if the email was delivered to your mail server from a machine known to not protect against spam. A procmail recipe to throw those out would be easy. Any takers?

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    Intelligent Life on Earth