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Yeah, don't use this: https://www.hdfury.com/shop/ot... combined with this: https://www.thestreamingguys.c... Now you know how not to combine a HDCP 2.2 decrypter and a capture card to not record the raw 4k stream.

I like their nicely crafted marketing speak that is technically correct but would make the average consumer think they can upgrade any TV/projector/whatever to a full 1080p HD display. http://www.hdfury.com/no-hdmi-no-problem/

*yawn* -- It's been utterly amazing to me that people who troll /. haven't realised that HDMI and HDCP have been circumvented for YEARS already....

HD-Fury

Circumventing HDMI+HDCP has been dead-simple for half-a-decade already, PLEASE try to keep up with the times...

-AC

Maybe, but not so much as these guys: HD-Fury

Who've been selling their HDMI/HDCP circumvention devices in North America for years already, and in so-doing, they've been figuratively and literally giving the *AA cartels the finger for quite some time before now ...

-AC

The story is that the XBox violates the HDCP standard to do this;

someone's going to take it apart, and then encrypted HDMI can bend over and kiss it's curvy ass goodbye.

Hey retard, you're WAAAAAAY behind the times here. Maybe, while we only believe that you're stupid (before you go out and prove it by saying idiotic crap like the above), you should do a little research, for example: http://www.hdfury.com

Those guys make (and have BEEN making) HDCP/HDMI circumventing dongles and selling them in North America for years... So much for the sanctity of the HDCP/HDMI protocol!

I had to use one of their products because I wanted to connect my Amp/Receiver stack to my home-theater projector which only supports component-video-in. With an HD-Fury2 adapter in the chain, my satellite receiver, PS/3 and XB360 all play full 1080p HD content over my ANALOG projector... in complete violation of the HDCP protocol.

That all aside, the Xbox1 doesn't break HDCP anyway, unless the signal that it OUTPUTS is unencrypted, OR if the XB1 allows you to record the HDCP-protected content in some distributable way..

Personally, my Xbox-One will be installed in the device-chain AFTER my receiver (and before the HD-Fury that feeds the projector) so that ALL of the HDMI devices that are connected to the receiver can be managed through the XB1 interface... and displayed beautifully on my 96" screen :)

-AC

http://www.hdfury.com/ Makes any DVD player 100% compatible with any TV. And it removes ALL of the useless encryption and DRM.

Kind of expensive

http://www.hdfury.com/ Makes any DVD player 100% compatible with any TV. And it removes ALL of the useless encryption and DRM.

"Version 2.0 of the HDMI Specification, which is backward compatible with earlier versions of the Specification[...]"

I bought a Blu-Ray player. I returned it because the copy-protection scheme wasn't backwards compatible with my digital TV.

Screw it. I don't want Blu-Ray bad enough to replace a perfectly good TV. My legacy DVD player works with it just fine.

You needed one of these.

HDCP is broken for those willing to go to the effort to circumvent it. That is an extremely tiny amount of people.

Got a few hundred? This is all you need.

Or if the console supports component video out, problem solved.

The 360 didn't put HDCP on the HDMI. The PS3 did, so all the capture cards today tell you to use component in for the PS3.

solved by HDCP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection

And un-solved by the HDFury and other similar devices.

These do not decrypt HDCP. HDMI conversion does not imply HDCP decryption.

http://www.hdfury.com/hdmi-hdcp/hdcp-converters-and-strippers-boxes/

This guy's been selling a variety of products to allow your old component or VGA only devices play from HDMI sources. http://www.hdfury.com/buy-hdfury-now/ Some models are around $250

None of which plugged the "analog hole". As long as there remains one person out there with a non-compliant device and Internet access, the hole will remain wide open.

You said it would be "easy" to plug it. I pointed out that large manufacturers - most of whom are also invested in "contents producers" - complying with the scheme means nothing as long as others do not (and there are a lot of HDMI HDCP strippers available in Asia, and even here). The list of non-compliers has to be completely empty - which includes also any home-brew setups - enforcing which is anything but "easy".

You seem to hung up on the idea that merely denying access to unencumbered digitization technology to a lot of ignorant and easily baffled "Joe Sixpacks" out there is going to somehow deter people who actually re-encode and distribute contents, forgetting completely that people who are so easily controlled were not the ones doing any sort of contents ripping in the first place.

That and the issue that not everyone has a huge LCD panel for a TV. Sure, some people have 50" 1080p TV's, but some have 20-30" 720p sets (where the difference between dvd and bluray is small), and some still have CRTs (where the difference between dvd and bluray is non-existant).

Funny you should write that. Not that many people are like to know the difference, but this is rather untrue. Good CRTs will do a fair bit better than nearly all LCDs at displaying BluRay. The trick being that few people ever see the good versions of a particular tech generation until that generation has been pretty well deprecated.

They're a serious pain in the ass to move around due to their weight, but 24" Trinitron monitors do 1920x1080@85Hz or 2304x1440@75Hz.(even the smaller 21" ones will do 1920x1440@75Hz). I don't recall ever having seen an LCD with a resolution above 1920x1080, no matter the size. You end up having to get external DACs, but for good hardware that is worthwhile. With stereoscopic recording tech finally appearing in a significant portion of the market, I may finally have to replace these monsters, but I still need to see a high resolution LCD. :-(

Seriously, if you've need to get HD component video, or VGA, from an HDMI or DVI source, the HDFury products are what you need. We got one at work because we needed to hook an AVCHD camera, which only had HDMI out, to a projector that only had VGA input. Worked perfectly. Fully supports HDCP. The one we got, the HDFury 2 is switchable between VGA and component mode.

So not only is this a dick move, it is 100% ineffective. You just go and buy an HDFury and you are back in business. I'm sure there will be others as this ramps up.

http://www.hdfury.com/

You need an HDFuryII http://www.hdfury.com/

And for DVI-D or HDMI to VGA, get HDFury (also supports HDCP) or similar.

Then we'll just have to go with uncertified adapters.

Mass-produced by who and at what risk?

http://www.hdfury.com/

The homemade DVR is a pleasant - if geekish - project.

And that covers absolutely everyone who will ever bother to copy DRM'ed video. Demise of NTSC and Comcast's eagerness to DRM each and every channel will eventually force everyone who has a homemade box to add such a device, and then HDCP will be about as effective as DVD CSS.

But the father of three kids rents - or more likely buys - the video from Pixar - and that is where the money is.

And he would buy it even if DRM is broken. VHS tapes and CD were sold and rented just fine without DRM, the problem is that content producers want to squeeze more and more profit from the same content.

Enjoy it for as long as you can (which will be for a while).

However, the "Analog Sunset" will eventually disallow you from using analog connections to watch a Blu-Ray disc one way or the other - via a flag embedded in a disc by a studio, or if you have to buy a new player after 2013 (after your current one breaks according to the manufacturer's carefully-timed plan to avoid giving you warranty service) it won't have analog outputs. Blah blah HDFury - as soon as they're popular enough for studios to notice, their HDCP keys will be blacklisted so you're one involuntary firmware update away from being broken again. If you think the studios won't do that because it could disable a bunch of legitimate players, think again.

Also, your cable and satellite providers have the go-ahead from the FCC to shut off analog outputs at will, which is purportedly for PPV and certain on-demand content.

+1 for promotion of piracy yet again.

The idea is the signal is encrypted so it's a bit more complicated. Fortunately these guys have done all the dirty work for you if I understand this correctly.

Wait, the signal from the STB to the TV is encrypted? Are you sure you don't mean the coax from the wall to the STB? I don't think most TV's are smart enough to deal with non-pathetic crypto.

As for tapping off the STB-TV line, if it isn't HDMI, you could do that but you might have trouble getting full HD. If it is HDMI, you've got to fuck with the hardware/firmware/drivers to persuade the STB to send a signal at all, unless its broadcast flag is off in the first place.

Use this: http://www.hdfury.com/

The idea is the signal is encrypted so it's a bit more complicated. Fortunately these guys have done all the dirty work for you if I understand this correctly.

Well sony is going to disable HD on component out for ALL bluray players in a year or so anyways.

No encrypted content will go out of a Bluray player if it is not protected from the scumbag consumer by the precious HDCP.

Or ... just buy an HDFury already.

HDMI to component adapter. Supports HDCP too. Hell, does 1080p over component (though I doubt there are many 1080p TVs that *don't* have HDCP compliant HDMI or DVI inputs).

The future is already here - many A/V receivers don't support non-HDCP compliant HDMI or DVI sources. (Then again, practically every non-integrated video card supports HDCP the past 3 or 4 years...).

HD Fury2 is all you need.

HDMI+HDCP to component video converter.

Kinda pricey, but for $250, beats buying a new TV (and equipment).

There's always the HD Fury. The benefits of 1080p are limited to proper deinterlacing. Sometimes the display gets it wrong, and combing results.

Normal viewing distances could mean pretty much anything, but generally, if you sit more than two to three screen heights away from a 1080p display, your screen is too small, prole.

How about the HDFury it claims HDCP support so should handle the encrypted content.

Sure, they can. If your cable box supports it, they could enable analog output degradation and scale the analog outputs down to fractional resolution. There's only one way to record HDTV content that is guaranteed to be unstoppable: an HDCP stripper with an HDMI capture card....

Already solved. Hauppage HD-PVR, with a HD Fury 2. The HD Fury 2 converts HDMI (up to 1080p, but the HD-PVR only does 1080i), WITH HDCP, to component video. It's designed for older TVs that have component video (or VGA) inputs to accept HDMI, but it works with an HD-PVR.

HDCP ensures that you can't get a degraded image unless the HD Fury's keys are revoked.

Might want to stock up on a few while they're still legal.

HDMI already has the awesome encryption of HDCP between the device and the display unit

As usual, an encryption system that (likely) cost millions to develop, can be defeated with a simple device.

http://www.hdfury.com/

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with this company in any way; this is not an endorsement, only a link to a potentially useful resource.

Exactly. If it wasn't in this iteration, it probably would have been in the next one.

That being said, HDCP sucks, no matter what the device. It's evil because it blocks legitimate uses as badly as illegitimate ones, and it adds a whole new layer of potential incompatibility. There are ways around it with extra hardware, but it's stupid to have to pay hundreds of dollars to get around a built-in product defect.

One more reason to download the pirated version of the media even if you bought the legitimate one.