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Want To Record Xbox One Gameplay? Get Ready To Pay
First time accepted submitter tocsy writes "Microsoft has seemingly not learned from their previous PR fiasco. According to the official site, some features as basic as recording and sharing gameplay videos will require a $60/year Xbox Live Gold account. PS4 owners will of course also have to pay for some online services, but recording and streaming will not be exclusive to Plus subscribers."
Or are they also doing HDCP just to make sure that if you want to record footage, you need to pony up the cash?
Not calling Microsoft a paragon of virtue here, but what are you recording offline anyway? PS4 is a great console, I might get one, but the xbox bashing is starting to feel a little over the top.
I have a picture of the end screen from Punch Out, thats about the last gaming achievement I felt compelled to capture.
HDCP is broken. How do they expect to prevent people from dumping the digital video stream?
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And I probably won't buy into either XBone or PS4 (_maybe_ until my PS3 60GB finally gives in and can't find any other PS3) because they might change their mind back to the beginning of their original secret plans as soon the market is flooded by devices.
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This latest gen of consoles doesn't interest me. It seems what they're trying to do is get me to set up an arcade in my living room at my own expense then charge me (eventually per play). Get stuffed.
I'm done with consoles. None of them can be trusted.
Greedy assholes. Fuck them all.
Every time they open their mouths they make the PS4 look better.
So what. Recording gameplay has always been easy enough for those who want to do it, and irrelevant for those that don't. The ability to record from the console itself is just another gimmick.
I don't think this fits into the same category as games locked to a single console once registered. How many people are recording and sharing their gameplay videos? Is that a big thing now? I'm not a gamer, maybe that is the new core tenant of gaming. Is Microsoft going to host the videos? If so, then restricting use to paying customers makes perfect sense. I'm sure they'll at least provide some kind of index service, right? I mean, the ability to email the videos to a known friend seems like a stupid feature. So I have to assume they're wrapping some sort of service around this, and so limiting it to the upper-tier service makes sense. I mean, it's not like they're going to charge to VIEW the fucking things.
Maybe I don't care because I'm not interested in the xbox. I probably would have bought one since I skipped the last generation (Well, I have a Wii) but now I'm actually leaning more towards a Playstation 4. I don't think it was the PR fiascos that did it though so much as the price.
Microsoft has become excessively greedy, even for them.
... the reason all this nonsense is happening is because the game industry has seen the sick money from World of warcraft and F2P's and they want in on the action. Nintendo shutting down video's of people playing games and commenting them on youtube. The vast gaming masses are dumb stupid, passive, tech illiterate sheep. Gaming is suffering because of market expansion (aka appealing to the lowest common denominator).
The worst part about it is the kids and adults who defend this crap.
Is it really news that MS is requiring people to have a Gold account to use online features of an Xbox console? There's nothing going on here that wasn't already going on with the Xbox 360 ... except of course stirring up some more MS / Xbox One hate.
The title of the article made it sound like recording video required a second subscription, but if you want to record videos of multiplayer games, you'll already have the Live Gold subscription anyway.
They are also putting OneGuide and Skype behind the Xbox Live Gold paywall. It looks like most of the new features they have added to Xbox One will require XBL Gold.The PS4 will let you record gameplay without a PS+ account.
The main difference I see in PS+ and Xbox Live Gold is that PS+ is per PS3/PS4 where Xbox Live Gold is per account. For those of us with families, that is a substantial difference. Both of my kids and myself would be able to play under the single PS+ account for $50, where for XBL Gold each of us would require our own account, bringing the total to $180.
Unless you like showing everyone how 1337 your Single Player gaming skills are, most likely you're going to have an Xbox Gold Account anyway.
As for the other things tied to Xbox live, if all you want to do is watch Netflix on your Xbox, your better off getting yourself a Google TV and sit on the $400 you saved by buying it, or even a Chromecast and use the $65 to buy some movies to stream.
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My understanding is that the PS4 uses HDCP encryption for everything, whereas the XB1 only uses it for playing movies. This means existing recording solutions should work fine for the XB1 (i.e. you don't need to pay Microsoft), whereas for recording PS4 footage requires the use of the PS4's own recording tools (along with any baked in limitations, like a 15 minute limit I've read about).
Not really sure of the practical implications of any of that, seeing as I don't myself record footage of games, but whatever :P
So they can shoot themselves in the foot twice.
You've been able to do more without a paid subscription on the PS3 as well, and it hasn't seemed to have handicapped the Xbox's sales and market share.
Want to record SNES gameplay? Too bad, that isn't a thing you can do. Not in the console hardware, anyway. Seems pretty clear that recording gameplay is an addon functionality to a game console, not part of the core functionality. It seems pretty reasonable that you might be asked to pay extra for extra functionality if you wanted it. (As opposed to "play the single-player games you already purchased without needing an internet connection", for instance, which seems like a far more core functionality.)
Of course, nothing stopped you from mounting a video recorder next to your tv to record SNES gameplay, and nothing would presumably be stopping you from doing the same thing now, either.
It sounds like the spreadsheet wielding MBAs have completely taken over Microsoft. Spreadsheet thinking is an easy trap to fall into. You put up all your costs, and all your revenues and look at the bottom line. Then you start slipping in the occasional extra bit of revenue and suddenly the bottom line numbers start to grow like balloon. The key problem is that some numbers are hard factual numbers such as reducing the quality of the plastic will save you a fairly specific amount of money. But the problem is that a change of that nature may impact things like the reviews, return rates, breakage during shipping, etc. These numbers just come out of their ass and can end up being very optimistic. But you aren't looking at just one MBA with his spreadsheet but dozens all running their little fiefdoms and making their own adjustments.
I'm not saying they shouldn't make a profit but that they often don't match the weight of the pros and cons of each decision. For example. How hard do you have to push a faithful XBox 360 user to switch to the PS4 instead of buying the new XBox? Or like XP might many Xbox users stick with the 360 instead of going to XBox Vista? Then when they start trying to poison the 360 well the users might switch to the PS4. Even more complicated is that many people might be getting their gaming from their mobile devices. Would people abandon the console for a mobile device. These are all very hard questions to quantify and thus properly spreadsheet. So the MBAs argue that action X will annoy 1% of users while adding 10% to revenue. The 10% is probably close. The 1% is just a wacky guess.
Except that Apple's shit works.
Until you "hold it wrong".
From the Slashdot story: "Microsoft has seemingly not learned..."
Well they've been charging for access to gold so people can get on NetFlix... what do you expect. One more drop in the bucket of why I will never buy another Xbox.
I will never buy xbox live again because it was so impossible to cancel the last time.
Sony, of course, rushed to remind the public that their video streaming and video share feature will be free. Sony's strategy seems obvious, when Microsoft announces a restrictive (used games) or $$$ oriented policy, Sony gets a free PR bon-bon by reminding everyone about their new PS4. Can Microsoft really not see one move ahead on the chess board?
Items we can expect to see on the next Xbox, the Xbox Infinity:
Maybe the Xbox factory is just a front for drugs or something.
Streaming is a P2P function using the hardware built into the Xbone. It is a facility designed first and foremost for NSA spying, which customers of Microsoft will be pleased to hear, doesn't require an expensive Live account.
The Xbone can capture, compress, and encrypt a video stream at any time, with no impact on the gaming function of the console. Microsoft has ensured ALL spying functions (via the always connected, always functioning Kinect sensor array) have their own dedicated OS, CPU cores, hardware blocks, dedicated RAM and dedicated HDD storage space. The Kinect system is a computer within a computer, and cannot be compromised by anything else the Xbox One is doing.
Every online Xbone console appears on an NSA master list, and any of these consoles can be immediately instructed to move any of their Kinect data streams to an NSA server.
Every Xbone is ALWAYS monitoring the people in the room. Facial photos are constantly transmitted to NSA servers for face recognition, and cross-referencing against known lists of residents (and acquaintances of residents) expected at the same address as the console. It should be understood that the main function of the NSA is exploring ways to radically increase speculative intelligence gathering. Finding a 'use' for this data is NOT the concern of the NSA. Of course, data gathered by the NSA is used by many agencies- see the recent stories about data transfer between the NSA and DEA. One would have to be truly stupid to NOT comprehend the usefulness of data gathered by the Xbox One to the DEA.
What really blows the minds of NSA research scientists is the programmable nature of the Xbone. The Xbone is not a fixed spying device, but can be programmed to function in the most elaborate ways imaginable. While default data gathering from the console is amazing enough to the NSA, the ability to program 'trigger' conditions, or to use the motion recognition ability of the Kinect depth sensors, opens up avenues of pattern driven spying never before imagined.
It is impossible to have every online Kinect send major amounts of data to the NSA. So, the NSA desires to have the Xbone itself decide when something 'juicy' is happening in the room before it. Spy agencies have always had EXTREME interest in sexual behaviour. The Kinect, watching the motions (and hearing the sounds) of the people in front of its sensors, can make an excellent guess as to when sexual activity is occurring. At the very least, the NSA can decide if the likely participants may be of interest to them, and begin a proper video stream. However, the NSA personnel have shown themselves to be extremely voyeuristic, so it is clear that people will frequently be recorded simply for the perverted amusement of NSA staff themselves.
Microsoft charges users to stream their own video for two reasons. Because MS is miserly, and because by doing so, a psychological ploy plays out implying to the naive owner that the Kinect camera system is under user control.
PS all forums now have paid Microsoft shiils dribbling "conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory- only tinfoil hat cretins believe Man didn't land on the Moon, or Microsoft works hand in glove with the NSA". They, of course, always attach some nonsense (like the Moon landing) with the widely confirmed fact that Microsoft works with the NSA. So, I'll respond in kind. It is a FACT that the PS4 is vastly more powerful as a games console than the Xbone. One simply fact is that the PS4 has *TWICE* the ROP count of the Xbone, even though both use identical AMD GPU technology. ROPs are the hardware blocks that provide the finished pixels from the triangle rendering system. Half the ROPs essential means half the GPU power. Not something you'll notice on a casual game, but bump up the resolution, framerate and number of layers composited to provide the final image (ie., AAA gaming), and the more ROPs the better.
The Xbone has an average 128-bit class graphics card (while the Xbone is actually 256-bits, the memory is actually less than half
...by people who were never planning on buying the X1 in the first place: If you can't afford $3 a month for XBLG (easy to find on sale), you probably should just step aside. But hey, enjoy your $4 latte.
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MS is a business and like every business they are trying to maximise profits by finding anything and everything that can be monitized. If everyone threw a temper tantrum over all the different things all these companies charged money for everything in the world would be free...
OUYA has only an HDMI output and no other video outputs, and I've read that OUYA has HDCP always on. (Source: Search Google for ouya hdcp) So how are developers supposed to record video of their own games to make a trailer?
They just keep making it easier and easier for me to stop buying consoles. The Xbox 1984 is obviously a no-go, but with the PS4 requiring you to pay to do anything online other than stream video, it's looking like I'll pass on that too.
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GameDVR is a new in-game feature. They're not removing or restricting old functionality, afaik.
If there's no RGB or YPbPr component output on a console, then they're removing functionality. Do the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One have component out, or are they HDMI-only like the OUYA?
if people would stop buying this Console + Game = -$$$ line of math you'd find the games finally migrating all back to the desktop, laptop or tablet.
Including games in genres that rely on two to four players looking at one screen, such as fighting games, cooperative platformers, and action games inspired by classic arcade games? Those don't work well on a monitor smaller than a TV, and I'm under the impression that not a lot of gamers are willing to connect a PC in one room to a TV in the living room or build a home theater PC just for one game.
Of course, nothing stopped you from mounting a video recorder next to your tv to record SNES gameplay
Other than that my Philips DVD recorder loses sync to the Super NES's nonstandard video signal for some reason. It records my NES's equally nonstandard signal just fine; go figure.
and nothing would presumably be stopping you from doing the same thing now, either.
Except perhaps HDCP on the HDMI output.
Couple this with mobile gaming devices that are powerful enough and full of fun (if not graphtastic) cheap games using effective intuitive controls
Say one were to make Mega Man 2 or Bionic Commando or DuckTales or any of several other classic Capcom platformers for a touch-screen mobile gaming device like the fourth-generation iPod touch. What "effective intuitive controls" would a touch-based platformer use?
Microsoft has already lost with Xbox One.
However it looks they are still trying be #1, but now in greatest failures of the year.
Good luck, microsoft!
Implying playing a console requires any skill with all these semi-automatic movements and auto-aim required to be able to play FPS with a gamepad. If you want to see skill look for the PC gamers.
Wow a company is including a new feature with a service people already pay $60 a year for. How dare they! I like that no one mentions getting 2 free games every month as well. Seems like Microsoft is so awful. You need to pay $60 for almost any online service you do on Microsoft. Who the hell seriously expects being able to stream content online without paying for said service? Oh yeah, the OP. Nothing to see here. Move along... PS: Not a MS fanboy by any means. This is just a biased article that doesn't belong here.
to record live feed from the spybox one's kinect cameras.
I get it, you're pissed. You (the general population posting in these forums) hate Microsoft, this is a chance to try and get others to rally behind you. You claim that this is the feature/policy that broke the camels back and now you definitely will not be buying an xbox ever again. To you, charging for video streaming is just one more way that "the man" is trying to stick it to you. Last time it was Netflix, those bastards.
I tend to approach it from the other perspective. For the last 6 years I've been getting a great online experience. A reliable multiplayer utopia where I can have persistent chat rooms independent of what activity my friends are currently engaged in (ps3? no), access to countless media streaming services like netflix, hbo go, xfinity, vevo, syfy, espn, mlb.tv, etc., and it all costs me about $3 / mo (I don't know why people would pay full retail which is $5 / mo when the memberships are regularly on sale from Newegg and the like for ~$37 online). Outrageous, right? Well I don't think so. I think that's a hell of a deal for what I get. The PS3 fans are right in stating that they can use their consoles without PS+ to do this stuff but I know they're lying through their teeth OR they just don't know any better cause they've never tried XBLG. The PS chat system is HORRIBLE and you have what, 4 or 5 video streaming services and no audio services outside of Sony's own personal offerings? With channels like VEVO on the xbox I have 24 hours a day of music video streaming, on demand, any artist I want, my own personal MTV. Prefer music in the background, fire up Last.fm. Video rentals? Got those too from more sources than the PS3 can touch.
So while you see this as an affront to your console gaming experience, I see it as one MORE feature that my $3 / mo was getting me. Now I can stream video of me getting tea-bagged to all my friends, damn life is sweet.
Yes like those Linux Zealots, who don't pay a thing, however they don't get those features that "They done need anyways"
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
Own a 360 MS but it's the last dollars they'll get from me. Proving once again you're so big, you must fail. Yes I hate MS and Apple and anyone else who tries to drive my consumer dollars where I will not let them go. Call it capitalism. Besides outside world is nice and I don't need a 'Gold' membership to enjoy all it's features. YMMV
What's the point of recording gameplay if you aren't on xbox live anyway? You want to just record a video and show your wife later? When you have your friends over, do you sit them down and watch your awesome video game highlights? No, no you don't.
This is trolling. Should never have made it past the mods. To get Xbox Live functionality you pay the Gold subscription. Always been that way. If you don't want to pay get a PS* and get much less featured and cohesive online experience.
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New XBox Live is literally just as terrible as old XBox Live.
The only people who will pay for this console and service are those who cannot live without Halo, or kids/teens who still live on their parent's dime.
However, the number of indie games on PC is ... mind-blowingly large so even the tiny fraction that's good is still hundreds, if not thousands, of games
The problem here is two fold. First, sifting through this 90 percent crap to find the gems becomes difficult. Second, indie developers are discouraged from adding local multiplayer features (one PC, one monitor, two to four gamepads) because hardly anybody has a PC monitor big enough to fit two to four people around.
Anyhow, Microsoft is arrogant because the Xbox360 was wildly successful compared to their main competitor
How so? Xbox 360 may have won North America, but it tied PlayStation 3 worldwide.
you're getting dedicated servers. On the PC it's not an issue, because you can run your own pretty easy/cheap. I have several buds that are hardcore PC gamers that pitch in and buy server time with some company to run their Quake/CS games off of so they don't hit performance bottlenecks.
I don't care much for playing online, but most of my friends that do on the PS3 complained about lag. And I can't imagine developers didn't have a hard time running the all net code client side on top of the game...
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