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You don't have to manually manage memory in c++ if you don't want to. C++ can be garbage collected.

Here is a PDF from HP all about it

Microsoft is not a monopoly. Users are free to chose between any operating systems, for instance Mac OS X or Linux. It might be harder to get, but it's there for the users that want to make a conscious choice.

I don't like the idea of forcing companies to include competitors software in their products. The real problem is that vendors are forced under brute business methods to not include say QuickTime or Netscape.

It'll be interesting when HP includes iTunes with their computers

Here are some links to manufacturer's recycling plans. They are not perfect. But, I imagine, these programs are better than throwing an old box in a ditch somewhere.

Dell Recycling and Donations

Gateway Recycling (Large Business)

HP Recycling

John

No idea if these links will work: big and 'cheap' vs. small and expensive.

No idea if these links will work: big and 'cheap' vs. small and expensive.

And another thing:

Wired has up a story about HP, as part of a larger drive to figure out how ideas ideas 'infect' large groups of people, scientifically proving what most people already knew: bloggers steal their ideas from other bloggers.

here

After upgrades I imagine it is over 10 lbs. My dad got this, and seems to be pretty happy with it. When you take into account that a lot of people put their laptop in a bag and roll it around anyway... it isn't so ridiculous. And he really loves having a full sized keyboard and 17 inch screen.

Tru64 and Alpha, well there's two products with a bright future ahead of them. Can you say end-of-life? Trust us you'll love HP-UX on Integrity.

http://h30097.www3.hp.com/transition/
http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retain trust/index.html

Tru64 and Alpha, well there's two products with a bright future ahead of them. Can you say end-of-life? Trust us you'll love HP-UX on Integrity.

http://h30097.www3.hp.com/transition/
http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retain trust/index.html

Where have I seen this before... Oh that's right, the features Compaq/Hp have been shipping with their Tru64 Alpha Servers for _years_. Good job Sun. http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/nextgen/part itions.wmv. ANyone who buys Sparc over Alpha is an idiot. Hell, you can even do this on Linux with UML..sun is playing catchup with just about everyone, but somehow manages to push enough spin on it to make every dumbass journo announce as an amazing technical innovation. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Sorry people, but sun are pushing 20th century technology with some marketing spin to make it sound up to date.

Thats a little harsh!
VMS won't really be going anywhere as I can personally attest we use it a lot here in the bank.
We have around 4 billion (4,000,000,000,000 GBP) flowing through SWIFT & ICPS each DAY.

Although we may only represent one customer, thats one important customer!

I work for the 4th largest bank in the world, so I guess the others probably represent significant VMS usage.

Not to mention JSTARS and COE...

Anyone think HP will come out with an intellectual property noise ?

Arch has some very nice features, probably too many. It's so powerful that it scares people off.

Octopy looks like a promising qt gui frontend for arch to solve that problem.

Take a look at http://opensource.hp.com/ or just do a search for linux from their main page. Any hardware company with half a brain (IBM, HP, Intel, etc...) is moving away from being under the iron fist of MS. Notice how they also tend to be dropping their proprietary Unices also, in favor of Linux.

Of course a huge portion of their business is desktops, and obviously they are still mostly being sold to Win users. But why would they want to lock themselves down to a Windows Media solution if they could avoid it.

Heck I'm happy enough that they're finally supporting my printers with free/open source drivers. :D

They sell a desktop, the d220, with Mandrake, no MS license bundled into that price. They also sell quite a few servers with Linux on them. In fact, they support Linux quite a bit.

They sell a desktop, the d220, with Mandrake, no MS license bundled into that price. They also sell quite a few servers with Linux on them. In fact, they support Linux quite a bit.

Because as we all know, HP would never do anything that would leave them beholden to or dependent on MS
...
oh wait

...yeah. Bluetooth is dead.

So don't tell Apple. Or ANY of the folk who make PDAs and accessories with Bluetooth capabilities.

Out of curiosity, am I the only one who hadn't heard of "Wireless USB" before this article?

Here's some crazy info for you. HP is betting HPUX's future on Itanium chips. Check out their Integrity server line. This is a line of true enterprise-level HP servers supporting up to 64 Itanium chips, and capable of running HPUX, Linux, and Windows all on the same box.

Go out and get yourself a second hand HP Jornada 720 (or 710 or 728). It's smaller, lighter, and the battery will last around 9 hours. OK - it is WinCE, but it's good for taking notes and keeping a calendar and address book.

You can then copy files to/from your normal desktop computer. There is communication/sync software for Linux available, but I haven't tried that yet. You can also connect to Linux via PPP (eg: with the serial cable) - that I have tried, and it works well. For Windows, there's ActiveSync of course.

I like these better than the smaller palmtops, as the screen is much wider (640x240) and it has the built in keyboard as well as the touch screen. Trying to use Excel on the small screens is a real pain, and I can type on the keyboard much faster than I can accurately scribble.

I use the Jornada as an alternative to a laptop. My laptop weighs 4.5kg, and I don't want to lug it everywhere to meetings; the weight of the Jornada is negligable in comparison. The laptop battery lasts 3 hours, the Jornada 9. The Jornada's instant on/off works that much better than the laptop (no drive spin up/down time etc), and it gets used all the time, thus saving more - I have to recharge mine every couple of weeks, and I use it a lot. Apparently, the 728 has a battery that lasts 14 hours.

I got my Jornada on Ebay for 300 Euros - much less than what you'll pay for a tablet PC. The difference will buy you a reasonable desktop.

-- Steve

huh... that's weird... Battery life on my transmeta based T-1000 from compaq/hp has like 4/5 hours of life. Although now the latest model uses an intel mobile chip... harumph! t1100

Here's why I chose the tablet I did.

It was a TRUE tablet, not just these pansy convertibles. I could disconnect the keyboard completely not just fold it over.

Built in wifi (should be a given for any tablet but wasn't at the time of purchase)

Light and sexy form factor.

Ample ram / chipspeed

Here's what I didn't like:

Tablet edition of windows XP feels like a desktop os shoe horned in with scribble recognition/etc into the tablet. It "feels" like a PC with a Pen instead of a tablet (if that makes sense --> haven't put linux on it... yet...)

The screen on this model sucks ass in the sunlight, near useless (which is what we wanted it for -- mobile, outdoors GPS/GIS w/wifi... no love there if you can't see the screen)

if you do use the keyboard, it's counter weighted funny... the screen is heavier than the tablet portion so unless you put the screen at a 90 degree angle it's top heavy and prone to tipping over (or worse *gulp*)

We were kinda hoping to use it as an "uber" handheld, but found it was more an "uber" portable laptop with scribbling enabled.

*shrug* ymmv but figured some of those thoughts would help. Good luck!

E.

Since HP-UX will be coming with GNOME as a default in future releases

<Open-Source Software is more secure because there are more people reviewing it.

Pretty bad argument for business. "So our security, and my job, relies on what people do in their spare time?"

No... your security, and your job, relies on what people do on their jobs. People who work for:

IBM

Sun

HP

RedHat

Mandrake

SuSE

Sendmail, Inc.

...and many more companies that support OSS. There was a point in time where OSS was largely written and maintained by people in their spare time; these days, there are people who have jobs that revolve around developing, maintaining and improving OSS.

There's still crud out there, of course. Remember Sturgeon's law: 90% of everything is crud. This goes for both commercial and open source software. You should evaluate OSS the same way you evaluate commercial software: who wrote it, what's their reputation, does it have the features we need, how stable is it, etc.

You wouldn't judge Microsoft's capabilities based on the kind of software that Sun produced, would you? Then why would derive your opinion of Apache, Sendmail, Bind, Linux, XFree86, BSD, KDevelop, Gnome and the like based on the fact that some other, completely seperate OSS project isn't worth dreck?

Generics in Ada could do this even before C++. I think Eiffel, Haskell, and ML can too

Ada generics is specification of Ada95, not Ada83...at around 1996, C++'s templates were almost stable.

Haskell and ML are interpreted languages. They never got out of the academic environment. They have certain advantages, but their interpreted nature and their difficulty to develop reusable libraries have been a major drawback. In the ML I've used, all interesting libraries were coded in C, and used by ML.

Eiffel is a fine programming language. I don't know why it hasn't caught on. Eiffel engineers don't know either (and this is a famous joke amongst them).

Just store a pointer to the object's new address at its old address after it's been moved, and update other pointers to the object as they're scanned

Sun's documentation:

Java 2 SDK for Solaris exact garbage collection uses direct pointers for objects, rather than handles. Using direct pointers decrease memory consumption, speed allocation, and increase system performance by eliminating one level of indirection in accessing objects

Here is another link about Java using double indirection:http://h18012.www1.hp.com/java/perform ance/FastVM.html

There is certainly double indirection in there, as it is evident from the above links. And although Java code itself may not use double indirection, native calls do. That means that everytime the JVM calls some native method (most probably coded in C), it passes a handle to the object, not a C pointer.

Depends on your design style

No, it does not. Even value classes like Integer that are to used as keys as maps and hashtables are like that. And each time you want to do a lookup in a map/hashtable, you need to create a new object. What a waste of resources!!! Java 1.5 with generics will solve this, of course.

Have you tried www.hp.com/linux - This site has been up and maintained for quite a few years now.

HP (Compaq) supports more distributions and has more driver support. I don't understand all the praise for Dell for finally (this is 2004 folks) putting a linux support page out.

...is when Mark Heise, counsel for SCO at this hearing, was asked why SCO needed IBM's source code to AIX to determine if there is any infringement occuring, when SCO has certified that Sun and HP are not infringing without having shown any source code.

Heise replied (not sure of the exact quote, transcript isn't available yet) "As for HP, there is a fundamental difference in that they haven't said they are contributing to Linux". Dave Marriott, counsel for IBM at the hearing, replied that HP has, in fact, contributed to Linux.

Talk about not having done your homework...

Jay (=

...is when Mark Heise, counsel for SCO at this hearing, was asked why SCO needed IBM's source code to AIX to determine if there is any infringement occuring, when SCO has certified that Sun and HP are not infringing without having shown any source code.

Heise replied (not sure of the exact quote, transcript isn't available yet) "As for HP, there is a fundamental difference in that they haven't said they are contributing to Linux". Dave Marriott, counsel for IBM at the hearing, replied that HP has, in fact, contributed to Linux.

Talk about not having done your homework...

Jay (=

I do know that HP and one or two others are shipping Itanium2 servers full-steam at the moment, despite Intel's recent 64-bit malaise. It's almost a given that all of those will be running 64-bit Windows. I've seen a demo of a HP 64-bit workstation running 64-bit Windows, and it was really nice. It even had accelerated video drivers, but I don't know what video hardware.

I suspect the future of emulation/virtualization environments will resemble dynamic translation projects like HP's Dynamo as described here. Unfortunately, HP's papers on this project are from 1999, so there doesn't appear to be much activity lately. Anyway, combining something like Dynamo with a virtualization environment would allow non-native applications to run without the excessive overhead of Bochs. In theory.

I suspect the future of emulation/virtualization environments will resemble dynamic translation projects like HP's Dynamo as described here. Unfortunately, HP's papers on this project are from 1999, so there doesn't appear to be much activity lately. Anyway, combining something like Dynamo with a virtualization environment would allow non-native applications to run without the excessive overhead of Bochs. In theory.

Certainly not if HPaq has anything to say about it. The worlds largest computer company is in the process of migrating their whole HP-UX line from PA-RISC to Itanium.

Looks like Orkut has been thinking about this for a while. Here's a paper he published with two HP Labs folks on the subject. Funny excerpt: "They (english majors) were also twice as likely to describe themselves as sexy (18 percent), while on the other hand, only 3 of the 136 Electrical Engineering majors chose to describe themselves in that way."

I know there are a lot network printing server products from HP, but I don't know Canon ones. I am using one from HP on my network. network print servers : external print servers

Try here, here, and here.

Mods, this is flamebait, pure and simple.

Many people mentioned HP, but I didn't see a link to this HP article.

I did a check on some of the printer drivers I have here and was unable to locate the URL embedded in any of the files. The drivers I have are a bit older (Lexmark and HP printers) and don't seem to support it, at least not with the URL in it.

Jim

[sarcasm]Yeah, she's a babe all right, Babe the pig, that is.

Cheers!

Submit text to the OpenVMS wikipage if you wish.
Thanks, I probably will soon (once I figure out how to use it - I have never editted yet), but my only current access is from work, so I'll have to find a period when I have more than a few moments :^)

According to the HTML document, logicals are discussed in chapter 11. You should also look at the related idea of symbols, covered in the following chapter (12).

(Also note that, in addition to SYSTEM and PROCESS, there are logical name tables for GROUP and JOB. As well, you can create your own LNM$TABLEs)

Another great idea in VMS is the ability to INSTALL a new command on an equal footing with those existing. This feature eliminates most of the need for $PATH.

According to the HTML document, logicals are discussed in chapter 11. You should also look at the related idea of symbols, covered in the following chapter (12).

(Also note that, in addition to SYSTEM and PROCESS, there are logical name tables for GROUP and JOB. As well, you can create your own LNM$TABLEs)

Another great idea in VMS is the ability to INSTALL a new command on an equal footing with those existing. This feature eliminates most of the need for $PATH.

I put up a link there to the OpenVMS Documentation. Read the OpenVMS User Manual, chapter 13 for everything you want to know about Logicals. I personally don't know enough about UNIX environment variables to make a proper comparison.

No but there have been other companies that have 'absolved' their user base of open source sins. Then they've pointed at IBM for not doing anything to 'save' them from the devil

It seems like HP is not using the 9200 "brand" anymore and is now correctly using the 9000 "brand".

X1000

ZT300

It seems like HP is not using the 9200 "brand" anymore and is now correctly using the 9000 "brand".

X1000

ZT300

Of course you can move the card.

How to upgrade your video card w/ pics

Hey HP even sells replacement parts (appropriately mislabeled as well).

hp partsurfer

I was curious about this fine print issue, and I came up with this. I thought marketing hype was usually done on the main page for the laptop with some for of words about the product, not specifications. If you look at the specifications for the HP Pavilion ZT3001US, it says ATI Mobility Radeon 9200. It is pretty simple, if that is not what you got, but that is what was specified, then they should make it "right". I think that this is a bait and switch, they tell you that you are buying one thing and then sell you another under the assumption that you will never look under the hood, cause most people that buy a pavillion will never look at what the chipsets are. It isn't fair no matter what is being sold. Specifications are not marketing hype, they are the information of the machine. I also took the liberty of looking up the quickspecs for the HP Compaq NX7000, and the and the Compaq Presario X1000. The presario has 3 different options, and I don't think a 7500 chipset is the same as a 9200. On the other side of the coin, it is possible to get an older version of the laptop that was still in stock. They do do that quite often, and then improve the equipment as time goes on. Since I don't look at consumer based laptops, I am unsure as to how long these have been on the markent

I was curious about this fine print issue, and I came up with this. I thought marketing hype was usually done on the main page for the laptop with some for of words about the product, not specifications. If you look at the specifications for the HP Pavilion ZT3001US, it says ATI Mobility Radeon 9200. It is pretty simple, if that is not what you got, but that is what was specified, then they should make it "right". I think that this is a bait and switch, they tell you that you are buying one thing and then sell you another under the assumption that you will never look under the hood, cause most people that buy a pavillion will never look at what the chipsets are. It isn't fair no matter what is being sold. Specifications are not marketing hype, they are the information of the machine. I also took the liberty of looking up the quickspecs for the HP Compaq NX7000, and the and the Compaq Presario X1000. The presario has 3 different options, and I don't think a 7500 chipset is the same as a 9200. On the other side of the coin, it is possible to get an older version of the laptop that was still in stock. They do do that quite often, and then improve the equipment as time goes on. Since I don't look at consumer based laptops, I am unsure as to how long these have been on the markent

I was curious about this fine print issue, and I came up with this. I thought marketing hype was usually done on the main page for the laptop with some for of words about the product, not specifications. If you look at the specifications for the HP Pavilion ZT3001US, it says ATI Mobility Radeon 9200. It is pretty simple, if that is not what you got, but that is what was specified, then they should make it "right". I think that this is a bait and switch, they tell you that you are buying one thing and then sell you another under the assumption that you will never look under the hood, cause most people that buy a pavillion will never look at what the chipsets are. It isn't fair no matter what is being sold. Specifications are not marketing hype, they are the information of the machine. I also took the liberty of looking up the quickspecs for the HP Compaq NX7000, and the and the Compaq Presario X1000. The presario has 3 different options, and I don't think a 7500 chipset is the same as a 9200. On the other side of the coin, it is possible to get an older version of the laptop that was still in stock. They do do that quite often, and then improve the equipment as time goes on. Since I don't look at consumer based laptops, I am unsure as to how long these have been on the markent

They stopped calling them laptops when the things became too hot to use on the lap without risk of burns. They're notbooks now. I guess just put it on a desk and use one of these