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Rob Enderle Announces Death of Bluetooth
prostoalex writes "Rob Enderle is typing away (perhaps even on his very own Ferrari laptop) at Intel Developer Forum, noting that Intel gave up on IEEE Ultrawideband and decided to switch to Wireless USB derivative. This, in Mr. Enderle's opinion, signifies the end of life for Bluetooth standard, although Enderle calls Bluetooth 'dead' in the title of the article and 'all but dead' in the actual text."
Netcraft confirms... Bluetooth is dy--- err skip it.
Anyway, slashdot, what are you thinking? You first show how retarded this fellow is by linking the story about the ferrari laptop. You then proceed to start to post other stories by this fellow. Don't you think that the credibility of this fellow has long since gone down the toilet after an article about his laptop that goes vroom?
Everybody has an opinion. Everybody has a voice. What's next? A BSD-is-dead troll getting linked on the front page? Seriously guys ;)
I hope everybody realizes that linking to this fellow's posts will only validate him, even if it's for the purpose of laughing at his assertions, calling him wrong, whatever. Sorry, but I don't trust reviewers that get a kick out of a car sound starting up a laptop, just like I don't trust the technical opinion of someone who discovers that they don't have to hear "You've got mail" when they get a new message.
I don't think he deserves the time of day after the last story. And if anybody disagrees with me here, by all means reply to this and say why I'm wrong.
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This is a good thing, because Rob Enderle is always wrong (source: Ferrari laptop, his Apple-related commentary & speculation). Naturally, then, we can expect a sudden increase in Bluetooth sales (and the universal acceptance of Bluetooth as a standard).
As it happens, I just purchased a Bluetooth-enabled phone and USB adapter.
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I never used Bluetooth and I don't know many people who had/have any use for it. Infrared is cheaper, if not quicker-I remember being able to browse the internet on my Palm using an infrared link to my mobile phone. Pretty cool.
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Someone needs to tell that to my Apple PowerBook G4, Sony T68i, Axim X3 and Jabra BT200 headset. I really don't have the time, I am too busy using Bluetooth keeping them synced. iSync owns.
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If Bluetooth is dead, then how come my Bluetooth keyboard is working perfeSIGNAL LOST
Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
With articles like this, isn't is obvious Enderle just wants to garner attention. And slashdot seems to be giving him just that. I wonder whether he wants to float an IPO soon, and pull of another SCO.
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I have to make sure my bluetooth mouse (Logitech mx900, worth every penny, I couldn't think of a better mouse) doesn't see my screen on my laptop (with built in bluetooth, which makes it actually ... useful - no stupid Dongle) otherwise ... it might learn that its dead, and have some kind of mouse identity freak-out. Till then, its the most useful, comfortable, and extravagantly overpriced accessory I own.
gave up
That doesnt mean Apple, cell-phone manufacturers and other peripheral manufactuters will.
I always thought it was...then I didn't...then I did...and now I'm sure it's not.
Looking at the Dude with the Ferarri laptop's website sold me.
"The Enderle Group provides an unparalleled look underneath breaking technology events to identify the core reasons that buyers and builders of this technology should care. The stated goal for the firm is "to bring diverse and challenging views into technology advisory services and consulting"."
If anyone can totally misjudge the future of a product or technology, it's a consultant.
...BSD was geeting Bluetooth Support to all work nicely.
Linux is dead. Windows is dead. BSD is dead. Slashdot is dead.
We've heard in all before. If it's true or not, only time will tell.
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open(DEAD,"BSDisdying.txt);
my @text = <DEAD>;
for $ohnoes (@text) {
$ohnoes =~ s/BSD/Bluetooth/g;
print $ohnoes;
}
close(DEAD);
die "Bluetooth is dead";
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Not to sound like an all knowing leet mac user, but I think bluetooth will be dead when Apple stops including it as an option on the Macs.
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Apple by it's nature seems to be a good indicator of what's in. Apparently USB was around for a while, but didn't really pick up until Apple added it to it's machines. Look at Wi-Fi/Airport, Apple was one of the first companies to include it and make it standard.
Ditto with Bluetooth. Them Mac users will jump on anything Apple sugar coats and make it viable
Feel free to correct me if I've made erroneous assertions. Thanks
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IN SOVIET RUSSIA, Bluetooth kills YOU!
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I that that Rob Enbales brain is the one piece of crap that they didn't make the dying NETBSD for. All your Dying *BSDs are belong toNO CARRIER.
Is it me or are companies jumping way too far ahead and losing sight of some really cool things. So we hear every other week about how XCompany just broke the terrahertz chip barrier for what? They're still only offering gigahertz chips. YCompany is making a terrabyte disk the size of a peanut... So why aren't they selling it.
Companies really make me laugh sometimes. LaCie recently announced that terrabyte 'affordable' drive for I think it was under a grand. Yet you could buy ten 100gig drives for about that price... What's the big deal?
It seems as the time goes on companies rush to bring out the latest hype to let it all fall down. As they invent new gizmos, and standards, they seem to kill it the minute it is actually being used to bring out (*drum roll please*) the newest gizmo and standard. So what's left after they run through every possible combination of ideas, and technologies? Makes me think of history and older civilizations that kind of imploded on advancements.
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This is the same guy who was shown Linux code and told it was stolen from SCO--he then parroted the same crap to help boost SCO's stock prices. This guy's on the opposite end of "tech expert"--please don't feed or publicize this troll.
...yeah. Bluetooth is dead.
So don't tell Apple. Or ANY of the folk who make PDAs and accessories with Bluetooth capabilities.
Out of curiosity, am I the only one who hadn't heard of "Wireless USB" before this article?
'If you're flammable and have legs, you are never blocking a fire exit.'
Wasn't Bluetooth's main issues being that it had such short range and such low bandwidth? I couldn't see it being used for much more than wireless keyboards and mice, and apparently even that never caught on.
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Smaller devices have finally started to rely on bluetooth as a means to communicate with a variety of nearby electronics. BMW's have built in bluetooth that allows one to use a bluetooth enabled phone through their steering wheel, there are probably 10 different bluetooth enabled GPS receivers designed for use with PocketPC and PalmOS. We've been hearing about the death of bluetooth since the year it came out, and for some time it looked likely, but not anymore. There are far too many useful devices that have come out in the last year which have made great use of bluetooth. Is it going to die someday? Obviously. But not as long as products keep shrinking and the need for close-proximity communication continues to rise at the same rate that market forces demand lower pricing.
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Thus bluetooth will continue to be used for the things that it is being used for. Thus it will proliferate more and more every year there is nothing else.
Thus bluetooth is NOT dead. In fact I would say that it is merely in its teenage years. And as long as it can stay off the heavy drugs it should be alive for many years to come.
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This a hilarious! This guy is going to tell all the people using bluetooth that their technology is dead? You might as well say that BSD is dead. Who does this guy think he is? Slashdot?
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These so called Bluetooth Standard Devices have long been known to be dying. This is yesterday's news.
I think people would've identified better, and felt a sense of kinship with Bluetooth had it been called Yellowtooth. That said, bluetooth chipsets are embedded in millions of cellphones at the moment, and Metcalf's law will only serve to increase that unless a real replacement with sufficient momentum comes along. It's a protocol designed with low power reqs, and has good enough bandwidth for the sort of things that use it.
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Isn't apple dead too?
bluetooth is dying
Well, in regards to IR being better, try having your phone put away in your bag and dialing out.. HA! and in all further regards, I agree, Apple of course knows what to put in their product, and I don't see such a relativly unexploited medium for data transfer dying so quickly. If it does... it's not like my mouse is going to stop working :)
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There's no need to wirelessly communicate with an iPod. MP3 players of all kinds will always have to spend time in a docking station... wireless delivery of power still has some serious bugs in it that prevent it from being used in consumer devices.
There is no need for a high-bandwidth solution to do wireless accross a desk. There's no such thing as a desk that it's impossible to string a wire accross. And, so long as we're always running a wire for power, we might as well run one for data too...
"Another problem--we don't have wireless power yet."
Gosh, I wonder what powers my iPod then when it's not plugged in?
I just got a brand new cellphone with bluetooth thinking I was on the cutting edge. Nokia 3650 is a work of art.
I wish that Rob Enderle was my doctor, because that way if he told me, "Bill, I have bad news. You're going to die," I'd know that I would live forever!
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I use Bluetooth every day. My GF uses it. My IT-clueless friend who works as a manager worships it. So for us in Europe, it isn' anything to declare alive or dead, we're too busy using it.
But it seems that for once, USA was a bit slow to catch on with the whole BT thing. We have been using BT for almost two years now, and most here look upon it as an intergral part of cellular life. Kids in class pass notes with it, adults use it for headsets and syncing, etc. But he is right about the MS mouse. You're welcome to read my experiences with the MS BT Mouse here on Slashdot. If you can find that old comment...
I'm sitting here typing on my Bluetooth-enabled Powerbook, navigating around the screen with my Microsoft Bluetooth Intellimouse Explorer. These two companies are actively promoting Bluetooth - and they've even learned to play together nicely on this particular playground.
What weight, exactly, will an Intel decision have here? Aren't laptops the most desirable place for Bluetooth peripheral use? And aren't most laptops (PCs, as well as Macs) made overseas with non-Intel motherboards - even when the processors are made by Intel?
One company has decided - for now - to follow a different path. Big deal.
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Rob Enderle is a tool. I refuse to waste any of my time reading his articles.
"Microsoft and Intel are becoming increasingly frustrated with a number of standards-setting working groups that never seem to get anything done." In other news, local Spammers Union 165 rallied the troops during their bi-quarterly meetings in Civic Hall today. Apparently, they're taking their fight all the way to the steps of congress. Said one gentleman, who refused to divulge his name, "We're just honest folk, making an honest living. Why don't you parasites take your hate crimes somewhere else? Hate crimes!"
From what I can tell, the biggest problem a lot of consumers seem to have with BT boils down to the image that it has - a lot of people seem to think that it's sort of a short-range 802.11b. I've seen it pop up in everything from people's comments about Bluetooth's devices to Palm's webpage on wireless technologies in its devices - it groups BT with 802.11b and WAN technologies, without really making it clear that the only real similarity that BT has with the other two is that it operates over radio frequencies. The attitude seems to be that Bluetooth is just a wimpy version of WiFi without the internet connectivity.
Personally, I'm not sure I'll agree with that attitude until CompUSA starts selling keboards and mice with MAC addresses.
Now imagine doing that while you are walking, with your phone on your belt, or in your backpack.
I use IR synching with my Palm and Powerbook, and the connectivity between my phone and same powerbook is about 1000x more reliable and more useful, since I don't even have to touch the phone to have the whole thing work.
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The only reason they're claiming that bluetooth is dead is because they missed the boat on creating/shipping products that use it. Its like Microsoft saying linux is dead or Redhat saying windows is dead...
If you can't sell your product, create a new one and claim the old one is "dead"...
Never had a bluetooth enabled device, never needed one I guess. Didn't really know what it was all about.
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does he know that a large majority of geeks/developers/tech people are laughing at him even more now?
It always seems that they are one of the most poorly-named companies, from the way they act. Death of Bluetooth? OS X on Intel? A Ferrari laptop? It seems like Intel just doesn't ever get the intel they need.
Is this going to become a regular feature like all the SCO related articles. One rediculous article after another by this imbecile Rob Enderle. How much bigger of an ass could he have shown himself to be with that rediculous article about his Ferrari laptop. We'd all be better of not hearing from the guy ever again.
Apple is dying!!
Bluetooth is dying!!
yeah right... apparently anyone can claim something is dying nowasays...
does this really matter??
bluetooth is a butchered 802.11b.. with as much time and investment as it's had, it's only migrated to cellphones/pdas/keyboards and mice..
it's either deeply stalled, or it's just useless..
i think it's a bit of both..
Rob Enderle is a fucking 'tard..
i hate microsoft.
That's it. I officially give up on this shitty site. I can't believe a "such-and-such is dying" troll is linked to on the front page. Fucking stupid editors...
Let's see here. All technologies developed by Microsoft and/or Intel are good and will be successful. All technologies developed by other companies or by standards bodies suck and will fail. That's the theme of everything this guy writes. He's has no technical background or engineering training at all, his opinions are lame and Slashdot should ignore him.
I am viewing Slashdot on a Powerbook with a bluetooth mouse. My bluetooth phone is a few feet away and its bluetooth headset is next to it. This seems to be common among posters tonight. Bluetooth this and Bluetooth that all hooked up to an Apple.
/. readers). Most of them are PC users (no suprise), but I have been switching many to Mac. As far as Bluetooth goes, as long as Windows is not involved in any way, it seems great. I hear nothing but horror stories when Windows is involved. I only recomend Bluetooth enabled products to non-Windows users. When they ask what it is while they are looking at a PDA, I tell them and quickly move on lest they get the idea that they want to try it. If they do, it will probably be returned because it doesn't work.
I work in a computer store. I hear all about what works and doesn't work for the average user (not
Does Intel matter? Probably. If they say it is dead and it disapears from PCs, that will be no problem. Many devices work together without Wintel machines. Macs will still work with them; they always did. If Windows support is dropped, have we really lost anything?
Is this the same Intel that claims we don't need 64-bit microprocessors, but on the other hand claims that chip clock cycles matter?
I for one like Bluetooth. It was a major reason why I went with Sony instead of Nokia for my last cell phone purchase. The T616 is a great phone, and Bluetooth only makes it better. Calendaring, downloading ringtones (that's MIDI to you and me!) and transferring photos snapped with the camera in my phone makes it extremely convenient. And the short range feature can be seen as a sort-of security enhancement because if anyone has figured out a backdoor to hack into my phone, they have to be really close to me to do it versus if it was an 802.11 signal.
This guy must work for SCO. Wait, he did vouch for them...
Since it took Apple to make this standard a STANDARD here in the States, I wish they could do a little more to make FireWire800 used more. It seems like Apple advances other people's technology (USB, SATA, Bluetooth) better than their own (FireWire) technologies...
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Any one else sick of this asshole? I'd tell him where to stick his Farrari laptop and BSD-like predictions...
What's next? A BSD-is-dead troll getting linked on the front page?
More likely, the next story will be about some guy named Rob Enderle announcing the death of Bluetooth.
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Everything I've read about UWB so far suggests it will be a competitor for WiFi, not Bluetooth. Bluetooth is slow, it's low power, and despite how ridiculously expensive my Bluetooth cellphone was, it's actually pretty cheap. If UWB is going to be getting up near 480Mb/s, which the article claims it will, then I start to wonder how it can possibly be cheap and low-power. The article doesn't address this, and the link it provides to more information doesn't seem to work (in fact, I don't think it's a link at all, just underlined text). Does anyone have more enlightening information in this regard?
It was published on the Internet. No, seriously.
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It only gives him credibility and keeps his site in business ...
The guy would be history by now if evryone just got on with life and let him rot in his corner.
Rob Enderle is dead
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The U.S. will get there, especially with Bluetooth showing up in some new Toyotas to link your phone to built-in handsfree systems when you get into the car.
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BASH MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL.
Ok, I'm back. What I was going to say is that I am tired of this over use of the word dead. A technology isn't dead if people are still using......sorry, my Bluetooth enabled phone is ringing.
Remember the good old days of HomeRF? Intel backed that standard of wireless networking with all its multibillion-dollar muscle. And it lost. Apple put 802.11b in all of its systems, and within the next year or two the battle was won.
And what about USB in the early days? I can't cite any specifics, but I think I remember that Intel had shipped it on motherboards for quite a while, and was about to stop using USB since there were no devices. Then out comes the iMac with USB only for serial devices, and it caught on. Plus, USB 2.0 was supposed to kill firewire, but it hasn't happened yet.
Well, Apple's done the same with Bluetooth. Every system is available with Bluetooth built-in now. I'd bet it'll be at least available built-in on PC's in the next year, and standard the year after that.
a friend introduced me to bluetooth a couple of years ago and i was 'ho hum', i had the feeling then and do now that bluetooth will end up much as isdn did, first out of the gate and will end up mostly forgotten. just a hunch
As much as i dislike usb on a technical POV, it purpose for low speed devices like KBs mice personal printers scanners cameras and so on makes a wireless variant stronger. because 1) its already pervasive, and given point 1, the wireless part can be handled at the low level in firmware and no one has to retool rework or reprogram for another wireless API.
Was it ever alive?
When I first heard of bluetooth several years ago I was excited that there finally was a new wireless standard coming around and we could stop using flaky IR. Years passed. 802.11 arrived. More pherperials used RF. I accidentally ran into my first bluetooh product much later, it was an addon card that came with a motherboard. Still there were no bluetooth products widely available. Sure you could scour the net and find some odd company to ship something to you but BestBuy didn't carry anything at that time. Maybe things have changed now but frankly I lost interest. I've learned that unless you must absolutely have something be wireless, don't go out of your way to purchase wireless products. The hassle just isn't worth it. There is a great lack of support in the industry and economy for bluetooth, and rightly so. Why get rid of the cable when my mouse will work 10x better with one? It would have been neat to sync my cell phone over bluetooth, but there are so few bluetooth phones out there I'd be severly limiting my choices.
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OTOH, the 10-drive raid array would operate faster in some situations.
Damn.. Anyone want to buy my new 15" Powerbook with integrated Wifi-G & Bluetooth? I'll throw in my bluetooth keyboard, mouse, GPS, and cell phone..
Also, someone should notify the car manufacturers that are adding bluetooth to integrate cell phones or other audio devices.
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Sounds like a sourpuss Red Sox fan, to me. And no, I'm not a Yankees fan at all, but I've kept up with this whole trade and if there's anyone to blame, its the genius running the Red Sox. They had the opportunity to get Rodriguez and fucked it up. And in sports, if someone's job gets "stolen", its simply because whoever "stole" it could perform it that much better. If Jeter ends up losing his job, it has nothing to do with Rodriguez's class; it will have everything to do with Jeter's ability.
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Personally I find it useful for longer term downloads/uploads where I don't have to worry about jostling the device in question. Even just typing on my laptop seems to have distrubed the IR Gods during a Palm sync, and I had to retry.
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Seriously, while they have unquestionably pushed new technologies into widespread use, I wouldn't use Apple as an indicator of a technology's obsolescence.
No, I did not read the f***ing article!
Actually, wireless power may not be that far away, at least in the future I envision...
They have a number of medical devices that get embedded in a persons arm, leg, chest, etc that are charged by induction rather than a direct connection.
It is a safe way of powering devices. One example is an artificial heart or kidney (can't remember) that is recharged by putting on a cuff like a blood pressure cuff for 30 minutes per day.
Now the application for nerds:
I envision a desk with an induction plate just below the formica on the desktop. Your wireless keyboard, mouse, speakers, monitor, PDA, phone, cell phone, iPod, etc can all be powered by induction.
It's safe, wireless, fairly efficient, and available today.
Bluetooth 'dead' in the title of the article and 'all but dead'???
I have it on VERY good authority that Bluetooth is going to become an unbelievable success.
Why, In 2001 the Cahners In-Stat Group research firm released a study stating that they expect that almost a BILLION devices will support Bluetooth in four years.
We're well on our way. We know this because a research firm said so.
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Question: Have any of you here actually used any bluetooth devices?? Not not in a gee-whiz playing around kind of way, but actually really used bluetooth to get something done. I haven't, not do I know anyone who has.
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I was under the impression it was alive and kicking on non-Windows platforms.
I remember reading that Microsoft did not want to support it because it was too open as a standard. God forbid if anyone wants to run wireless on non Windows.
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You can pay this guy to say anything. See his website where he even gives an example:
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I am shocked to how much coverage this utterly clueless individual gets on Slashdot.
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that Rob Enderle will be dead as well sooner or later. And I think that even then Bluetooth will be around...
...to announce the death of Rob Enderle?
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Horribly off topic here but here it goes.
USB is terrible for some applications, video capture being the most obvious. The IEEE1394 spec requires a separate controller for the port, but USB controllers can e implemented in software. So when you are capturing video with firewire you have more free processor time than with usb 2.0. I am sure that there is a similar Niche app for bluetooth that will keep it alive and functioning.
(I am not sure if my explanation is right, but most benchmarks I have seen show that firewire uses less of the processor than USB).
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Wow, you're about as insightful as Enderle, I don't know what the fuck the mods who marked you as interesting were smoking, but I wish I could get some. Linking your post to the whole Apple Zealot vs. PC Muckraker thing is low, and that alone should have triggered troll alarms. Some people will never learn I guess.
The fact that Intel don't support bluetooth is about as relevant to Bluetooth's survival as if General Motors support McDonald's. It's not going to stop me putting a McDonald's soft drink in the drink holder in my gas guzzling SUV, nor is Intel's bitching about Bluetooth going to stop anyone plugging in a USB or PCMCIA bluetooth adaptor to any Intel computer.
Your understanding that Bluetooth sucked is obviously because you have no clue and have just been reading the crap that so-called pundits like this dickhead Enderle who sells his opinion to anyone who plies him with shiny things. I haven't had any problem syncing my phone to my computers using bluetooth, haven't had any problem with the range (hint: It's a PERSONAL AREA network) since it's only supposed to work while I'm right next to the computer, and haven't had any trouble syncing my phone to other phones.
I'm not sure where you get the idea that Bluetooth was dead on arrival, and because you're trolling as AC you likely won't be able to respond with a source. I know I'm feeding trolls here, but this response is so that hopefully you'll get modded into the depths of obscurity where your misinformed post belongs.
You finish off your post by saying that you don't think Bluetooth will die an immediate death. No shit sherlock, there are millions of bluetooth phones, bluetooth adaptors, and bluetooth compatible laptops out there, of course it's not going to disappear, but it will be superceded someday.
As for your comments about firewire, who gives a fuck if YOU personally don't use firewire? Practically every digital video camera uses firewire, so that's also on millions of devices and won't be going anywhere soon either.
Hmm
According to this article, Intel is putting Bluetooth into the Centrino 2. From the article:
Hmm, on one hand, we have Enderle's "analysis" -- on the other, a direct quote from an Intel exec. Which to chose....
It was your understanding?
Glad you know absolutelky fuck-all about the subject, then. Obviously al of those MILLIONS of mobile phone users who rely on BT everyday are nothing compared to what you "understand".
Parent is as insightful as a dog's fart.
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on a clie peg-ux50. I predict enderle is wrong, because of a simple observation i have made from several weeks of using this device. WIFI kills the battery nearly instantly - you can practically watch the meter drain. You would not get more than an hour or two. Bluetooth seems to draw nearly nothing. I have been surfing for several hours, and the battery is at 87%.
There is simply no comparison to being uncabled from your phone, and the $30 USB pc adapter has a 100 meter range that I have personally seen at least 50 of.
For local wireless nets with realistic power consumption, there seems to be no other game in town. I'm sure people have trouble, but it works effortlessly for me. I am guessing it will remain comfortably in its niche for some time. A welcome thing.
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Bluetooth is already past the tipping point, and Intel is just pissed that they missed the bandwagon. So they get their shill to write something nasty about Bluetooth. Maybe they can push their ultra*whateverband to the laptop and PDA mftrs so they can collect monopoly rent on PAN chips.
Is this what qualifies as news at Slashdot, or are they just doing the tried and true shock value because the need to rachet up their page views for the month?
Let me tell you: Bluetooth rocks the house! Right now I'm walking around the second floor of my house with my wireless Bluetooth headset connected to my laptop downstairs and chatting over VOIP/SIP with four friends on my Asterisk*PBX conference line. I'm in geek hog heaven. Who the hell is this Enderle anyway? I think he is full of sh**.
Gotta get back to the friends. I'm sure they'll get a good chuckle out of this moron's folly.
BTW: I'm in St. Louis and my two of my friends are in Norway, one of them is in Rio and the other is in the Bay Area. Asterisk*PBX rocks the planet even harder than Bluetooth.
Uh? So really there is no point in all those wireless thingies, right?
Anyway, I thought that the physics of ultrawideband were not done yet. We may well not see an actual UWB for another 5 years. Remember USB, Bluetooth? They were years late! Is Intel hyping vaporware?
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as he asked. "What do you want?" The smile turned evil.
"HOLD MY SANDALS WHILE YOU WATCH !" Oh boy! Now Robert was
in for it!, Behemoth Brawn wanted sex! She knew just touching
the gigantic footwear would give her lover a raging hard-on!
Robert loved every part of the immense giantess but the
feature that really turned him on were her gargantuan feet!
None could surpass their awesome size! A yard long, eighteen
inches wide! The big toes were eight inches in diameter the
other eight toes measured four inches thick! Behemoth Brawn
truly more than earned her nickname of BIGFOOT!
"HEADS UP" Bigfoot yelled as she kicked off her mammoth
three-point black rubber sandals at Robert. Each of those
three foot long, eighteen inch wide, and eight inch thick
sandals weighed fifty pounds apiece. Unfortunately the
giantess misjudged the power and direction of her kicks and
slammed the heavy footwear into Robert with the impact of
thrown bricks! As the older man fell on his back a terrifying
roar of pain from the Titanic Teenager filled the room like
a blast from a jet engine! "N000!" Monstrous thirty-two inch
long hands with thick four inch square-tipped fingers gently
brings the knocked out man inches from his lover's face.
"OH COME ON MONSTER MAN! PLEASE WAKE UP! I DIDN'T MEAN IT!
PLEASE WAKE UP!" Nothing, only the steady rise and fall of
his chest showed he was still alive clinically. The fine mind
silent. As the hulking woman cradled Robert in her powerful
arms, an inspiration came to her! "MONSTER MAN DON'T YOU
WANT TO SEE FEET THAT DWARF MINE?" That did it! Robert was
up and on his feet in seconds firing questions at the towering
teenager!
"Do they belong; to a man or woman? Are they in proportion to
the person or wonderfully oversized like yours? Does the feet
have the standard number of toes? Less or more? Are the feet
wide or long? What does the person...mmmmm! Mmmmm?
The annoyed Amazon had swallowed Robert's whole head inside
he
Oops, I looked at the ./ article "Hampster controlled midi" and thought I clicked it, and this article came up. And I immediately thought "Hampster controlled pundit!" Apologies of course to all hampsters out there, even those hampsters that design and control pundits with blue teeth.
Miss Cleo's record of predicting the tech industry is as good or better than Rob Enderle's. Enderle actually has a book coming out: How to be semi-famous by pulling opinions out of your ass and never admitting you're wrong.
What is it with anime characters? Why the hell do they have to yell the name of the move before they do it?
"Double Reverse Modified BALL KICKER!"
First the technical. Right now, Bluetooth works really well (even on Linux) and it's cheap, cheap, cheap. It's still in the running. It's really impressive making a GPRS call to connect to the Internet from my laptop with class 1 bluetooth dongle to my Ericsson t68i anywhere in the room, maybe still in the car. I don't have to move the laptop over to the window to get a good signal any longer.
Second, editorial. We had a series of articles that essentially said "Enderle's stupid and malicious". All this article says is "He's still stupid". Nobody's interested in that.
Bruce
Bruce Perens.
Check your history man. USB didn't take off until Apple came out with the iMac (think 1997, not Windows 98). Also, Wi-Fi was priced in the $700+ per base station range till Apple introduced it for $300. Hardly anyone even knew it existed till Phil Schiller jumped off a ledge during a keynote speech holding an iBook that maintained its network connection. So believe it or not (and I guess you won't) but Apple is the reason both of those technologies didn't just drop off the face of the earth and suddenly became widely accepted.
Well, the article is confusing if anything.
.. it is the technology slated to replace bluetooth, and it is definitely far from over.
.. so for the R&D world, it has been dead for quite sometime ..
For one, ultrawideband is definitely not another name for bluetooth
And as for bluetooth, as a technology it never came close to serving the purpose it was meant for
Guess the writer needs to be a bit more informed !
Bluetooth is pretty lame. It does get its job done about as efficiently as can be expected, but considering its relative cost and effort spent implementing it, it's a complete waste. If it was at least, say 100x faster, it would be worth something. Modem speeds with less range than 802.11? Who would want this? Why wasn't this idea rejected outright? It's great for input devices, device sync, and using modems/GPRS from cell phones with various devices. But you know what, we already had infrared for that, and in my experience it's faster. I don't mean to bitch and moan about this, but please. This stuff is lame. Let's see some FireWireless. That would be interesting.
I am feeling fat and sassy
I think we should keep him around.
Who knows, the guy could be right. Aren't we all good people here? Shouldn't we forgive ourselves, give ourselves permission to be happy and to celebrate our geeky qualities?
The nobles of old kept jesters & the village idiot, we have Enderle. Power on, vroom! vroom!
Yes, I did acidentally watch Dr. Phil.
Why do I have this? I don't smoke.
Firewire is far surpassed USB on the media creation side of things, mostly because these people aren't afraid to pay more to get what they want.
The moment you have a digital camcorder that supports USB2, then what you said might have some merit.
Until then, you're barking up the wrong tree.
... or it will be the demise of the newer technologies they are promising:
People now most often have bluetooth in their phones, PDA's etc. When the major industries start dropping it, and start telling everyone they are dropping it, (some) people tend to think the technology is useless. It will never grow to the momentum it now seems to grow to now, even though it's a bit late.
This in turn will make customers less happy to believe a new (short-range inter-tool) communication will help them solve problems.
I think once bluetooth is accepted and used widely, the step over to wireless-USB or any other standard is much easier.
The normal customer doesn't mind what does the trick, as long as the trick is done.
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If your tooth is blue don't you think there is good chance it's already dead? Tsk Tsk.. It looks like some of us geeks need to learn how to use a toothbrush.
I like using my laptop on the metro. The idea of connecting a firewire cable from my iPod to the laptop in order to listen to the music on it vs. using it from my bag seems like a no brainer. (I like to plug into the computer to listen other various sounds, if you're curious)
Hell, add a battery to any device you can think of (DVD burner, hard drive etc...), and the power cord issue goes away.
Q: What do you think about American Culture?
A: I think it's a good idea.
(adapted from Gandhi)
I work in a large electronics store in Canada, and among other fragile, expensive toys, I sell cell phones. Lately I have had people asking about Bluetooth enabled phones, so that they can use them with their new car (usually the new Acura TL, although the Chrysler Pacifica and a few others offer it now) after getting a demo at the dealership.
I read somewhere that car manufacturers love the idea of providing a quick and easy handsfree interface in their vehicles, but without having to actually offer (and support) car-phones like some high end makes used to offer. This way, the customer can worry about the phone and service on their own.
I personally fitted a Sony Ericsson BT kit in my car and use it with my T616. It works gloriously. I can't imagine using a cell phone in a vehicle any other way now. Maybe as more automobile manufacturers include Bluetooth functionality, people will get to see just how cool and useful it can be.
Obviously, M$ must have some kind of Bluetooth-like short range wireless connectivity thingy coming out soon.
The only reason I've ever found to read Enderle is to see what M$ is thinking...
How is Intel the 800lb gorilla when it comes to this kind of wireless communication? Does Intel design wireless desktops? Wireless printers? Mobile phones? Headsets? PDAs? That's where Bluetooth is killing, and will continue to until there is a replacement that is sufficiently better to prompt a switch.
The only wireless communication Intel has a part in is wireless networking, and that's not what Bluetooth is for.
It must suck to be one of the wicked witches flying monkeys. At least the witch had some real power. The monkeys generally had no opinion of their own that matterred. They didnt even seem to notice they didn't have any pants So I guess they would shit a lot wherever they went. I wonder if any of them thought they were like the Mouth of Sauron or even partly respected.
I for one welcome our new Wireless USB overlords.
Dyslectics of the world, untie!
CNN has an interesting article titled Bluetooth: back with a vengeance from the business perspective rather than a pure tech perspective. Toyota and DaimlerChrysler putting Bluetooth into cars? It must be dead.
CNET also has some news from IDF including a piece on its ultrawideband strategies. Some interesting quotes from the article:
andMeanwhile, Enderle says:
Was Enderle at the same conference as everyone else?
All I can say about Bluetooth is that my Mac syncs just fine with my Nokia 3650, and I've never had to punch in a new contact into my phone directly. Different technologies have different uses: my Palm Pilot connects to my Mac via USB, my iPod via Firewire, my phone via Bluetooth. And because all those technologies work together through my Mac, I have identical data for my Address Book and Calendar on all four of those devices.
Just today I finally got my Bluetooth-enabled wireless mouse to play nicely with my PowerBook Al (the one with the integrated Bluetooth). Gone is the possibility of ripping a poor RF receiver from a USB socket since this mouse talks to the built-in receiver. Logitech failed to produce drivers for the MX-900 on the Mac OS X platform, but the thing is HID compliant and works right out of the box, save the extra buttons. Along comes GamePadCompanion and now all buttons work like a charm.
I'm sitting here typing this on Apple's BT keyboard, using a BT mouse, just as my BT enabled cell phone mutes my iTunes and announces on-screen that I have a phone call and even says who is calling me! Now if I could afford a BT headset I'd be set! It's too bad Bluetooth is dead!
I guess many things are greatly exaggerated
Enjoy science fiction? "Turing Evolved" - AI, Mecha, Androids and rail-gun battles. What more could you want?
Linus Torvalds announces the death of SCO...
Who moved my sig?
therefore it can't work, be popular etc...
Most US journalists views are hampered by the lack of decent bluetooth products in the States (do I hear any of them saying irda is dead?).
Bluetook is the right technology for low powered devices that need to communicate over short distances i.e. replace wires.
For me the killer app isn't Palm or PC to Phone, it's the fact I can get in my car and my handsfree kit works with the phone still in my pocket, no cradles. Change the phone and the new one will work too.
A University lecturer where I live (Bristol, UK) has taken 1,300 flourescant tubes, and stuck them in the ground underneath a pylon (the result being they all ignite). Kind of spooks out people driving past when they see a thousand strip lights on with seemingly no wires.
Download "Simply Install - Pilot Install" (Mac and Windows PC). This freeware will bypass the hotsync (and thus iSync) and simply install software when you press the hotsync button. iSync is terribly slow and also does a horrible job with zombies (for instance, if you delete an Address Book group and later have to do a reset sync, every contact from that book will suddenly be resurrected from the dead!). Also getting BT to connection share with your PDA or modem out with the cell phone is delving into esoterica so there are some rooms for improvement here. However, it's here to stay. Nothing else is nearly so usable for various reasons--the pairing system is excellent.
the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
...invest in the opposite :-)
Seriously, Rob has an interesting history of being on the wrong side of almost every opinion.
I'd use Wireless USB in preference to Bluetooth if they can get the crypto and security right. The key exchange is messed up, the encryption they used has real problems, and they elected not to include the most important component - strong authentication - meaning that it's possible (for example) for someone to inject false keystrokes if you use a Bluetooth keyboard. (about Bluetooth security Schneier talks about the keyboard injection attack)
What I want to hear is that David Wagner, Ross Anderson and Don Coppersmith have been called in to design the security for this new protocol. Then we might see something half decent.
Xenu loves you!
Soory, Id prefer a USB 2.0 based solution as much as the next guy but Bluetooth definetly isnt hard to use. Yesterday I connected a Nokia 6310 with a Sony Vaio Notebook via Bluetooth and I had NEVER done this before. I might not be totally PC illerate but it was a matter of turning on bluetooth on both devices and authorizing both devices. Then I was able to surf the web using the cellphone as a modem. It was easy to explain to my customer how to do this. He was only half listening but got it in two minutes. If it could get any easier I would like to know how?
Lispy
That's why USB is better from Intel's perspective.
However Intel doesn't have any chances to succeed here. Major cell-phone companies won't replace Bluetooth with anything else beside Bluetooth2 or something similar developed by them.
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might be possible to make a
directional "pringels-can" like
antenna for a Bluetooth USB dongel
http://www.pchardware.ro/Reviews/review.php?id=
http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=34
kinda stick "da stick" into the middle
of a parabolic dish or sumething
yeah, okay it's slow, but then again,
surfing wireless thru a shared 128/64
speed connection, hmmm, enough.
"fire away gentelmen"
Apple is beleaguered.
The release is here : http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/69/35687.html
Waitaminnit! That would imply that the pundits are actually not the all-seeing oracles they make themselves out to be!
Take note of this pronouncement by Enderle and make sure to use it as a sig file a few years from now, just to remind folks that pundits ain't always right.
Sorta like this: "Stick a fork in 'em - this Apple is cooked."
Robert Thomson, Financial Post, 2/20/2003
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
Sony Ericsson actually make a Bluetooth powered remote control car, It's very small and its range isn't huge but you can power it by your phone.
Rob Enderle announces the death of TCP/IP
Bluetooth devices are available now and have been for a couple of years. Will someone please tell me where I can get Wireless USB replacements for my:
- Ericsson R520m BT enabled mobile phone
- Sony-Ericsson HBH-30 BT headset
- Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket LOOX 600 BT enabled PDA
- Fortuna GPSmart BT GPS receiver
- Oh, and BTW, I need a Wireless USB interface for my PC as well.
Bluetooth may not be with us for all time but for now it serves its purpose very well and has no serious competitors in its niche. Wireless USB may become a competitor if it can get its power requirements down to the same levels as Bluetooth devices have. I promise I'll take a look at it if that happens.My opinion? See above.
What's next for Slashdot? Kreskin predicting the imminent death of *BSD? This guy's a retard who couldn't tell the difference between a gimmick and a genuine innovation if it hit him in the middle of his slack jawed drooling face
the guy's reputation according to Google.
If my memory serves right, DDR was promoted by AMD while Intel prefered Rambus. How come I hardly see Rambus memory on PCs now?
joins BSD, Firewire, Linux, SCSI, 32-bit computing, big mainframes, CDs, mp3s and film cameras in being proclaimed dead. In all these cases, rumours of their death have been greatly exaggerated..
"'I pass the test,' she said. 'I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel.'"
- JRR Tolkien.
Apple has integrated bluetooth
Hence bluetooth is dying
So we can get rid of this nasty "blue tooth" disease, but there are still so many people suffering from "blue balls"... Who's gonna help them?
Bluetooth has nothing to do with Intel. Intel are a chip maker, maybe they can kill any but the most amazingly advanced CHIP technology, but why would they have any such power in any other industry?
For once? ;)
You have never experienced the North American Cellphone market, have you?
If you want to e-mail me, use my PGP Key.
The main problem is that, while Bluetooth may have been in technical news since 1997, it has yet to catch in where it counts: Joe Sixpack.
Meanwhile Wireless-A, -B, and -G have all zipped by technical board rooms and appeared on store shelves at Wal-Mart 2-3 years ago.
Who cares if your new Verizon Wireless phone has "Bluetooth wireless" capability written on its box? Joe Sixpack has never heard of it, and probably doesn't care to find out. He already has seen "wireless" at Wal-Mart, and to him it's "teh old".
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
Just out of curiousity how bad is bluetooth security? From what I have gathered it is more or less a joke.
I can tell you now USB wireless just doesnt exist in some areas. Go try a find a wireless mobile phone/headset in a shop that "isnt" Blue tooth right now... sorry but anyone who thinks a single technology will do "EVERYTHING" is a fool. I work for a company that sells wireless options for end users and right now Blue tooth prices are cheap as hell AU$129 (about US$95) for a wireless headset.
you had me at #!
Where I live (Italy) Toyota is pounding us with advertising of their city car Yaris with built-in Bluetooth support (specifically aimed at cellphone users).
If I understand correctly, Bluetooth-enabled cellphones are hardly available in the US, while they are becoming quite common in Europe. Is this becoming another "Europe vs. the US" technology trend?
And, Intel is the no. 1 maker of chips, but Toyota is now the no. 2 maker of cars... (GM is still no. 1 - for now)
In the long run we are all dead. - John Maynard Keynes (1883 - 1946)
I saw three people with bluetooth headsets this morning walking to work. I told them their headsets were dead but they just looked at me funny and walked away.
People would just stop paying attention to him.
Everytime I've seen a link to one of his blurps it's been clueless and irrelevant.
This time is no exception...
Just ignore him and he'll go away eventually.
I was just about to get a bluetooth enabled cellphone so it could sync up with my addresses on my powerbook, but since "God", I mean Rob Enderle, says bluetooth is dead, I can save my money. I'm expecting the announcement any minute now from Apple.
If these working groups can't their act together, even more of the will be abandoned by their backers. No matter how well intended, you can't make money unless you can actually build and sell a product.
Let's see how many you sell when everybody comes up with their own version of a product and it doesn't work with anything else.
There's no shame in being a pariah. -Marge Simpson
Here is some more info about wireless USB. Everyone needs to understand that WiFi and Bluetooth are meant for totally different applications. We need to discuss Bluetooth vs. wireless USB. Wireless USB is cheap, and is essentially a drop in to make current USB devices wireless. It's simple and it works.
Rob Enderle is a pretentious fucker. Nobody cares about your Ferrari laptop, and nobody cares that you think Bluetooth is dead. I have expressed my displeasure for the "_____ is dead" rantings of various sensationalists before. Bluetooth is just now taking off, it is a terribly cool medium for wireless headsets, cellular phones, PDAs, etc. I have an 12" Powerbook G4, which, along with every new Apple computer sold, has Bluetooth functionality built in. I apologize if PC vendors fall asleep at the wheel, but that does not mean he should bash a whole standard. That would be like me saying "SATA is dead".
I hate sigs.
Someone should tell Intel this:
t ml
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/69/35687.h
"Intel plans to integrate Bluetooth onto its next-generation Wi-Fi sub-system, it has emerged.
Speaking during his IDF keynote, Sean Maloney, Intel general manager of the company's Communications Group, revealed the chip maker is to offer a "specially designed low-power... integrated Bluetooth/Wi-Fi device".
I too live in the netherlands and in my office, every phone except one has BT. Its fun to bluejack them all.....
all you are, is all you are, i'm so sorry for you.
As it turns out, you are exactly wrong.
Both devices do not need to be class 1. I understand the principle, which is that the class 1 device has a strong transmitter and the class 3 device has a weak one, but I have simply verified experimentally that it works. Not to 100 meters yet, although I suppose at this point a 100 meter walk is in order, but already to at least half that.
I did find language that referred to this online. Unfortunately I did not bookmark it. It basically comes down to the quality and sensitivity of the receiving hardware, which is purposefully designed to receive class 2 and 3 signals from a greater distance.
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About a year ago those who defended Bluetooth here on slashdot were quickly taken to task. I know this because I often found myself having to respond to many stupid comments and was amazed at the clueless negative moderations that spoke well of bluetooth. In the not so distant past anytime anyone on slashdot brought up Bluetooth someone (okay many) would instantly call it dumb and say WiFi was the answer.
The moderations today show a complete reversal. Interesting how the groupthink here DOES evolve to a more sensible position, even if it takes a while.
--- I do not moderate.
I think BT and Wireless USB will co-exist, while WUSB will replace BT is some areas, I think BT will still exist. I think will be true mostly because BT is a peer to peer connection (similar to firewire), where WUSB is not. It would not be possible to have cell phones, pdas, and next generation gaming devices talk to each other using WUSB unless they both have a host controller and a client functionality.
Although almost every middle-class kid in school has a cell phone these days, we never did use them as much as Europeans did for things other than talking... things like SMS never caught on in America, and as for passing notes we still generally do that by hand. :P
If you have to ask, you'll never know.
Hi,
I saw one of the criticisms of this article was that the title for his article said "dead" while the text said "all but dead." What needs to be realized is that editors frequently (almost always) choose the titles for articles so as to grab attention. The writer will write the story but the editor will usually choose the title. To criticize for a title to article discrepency this small is very weak.
"IBM and NEC both just dropped support for Bluetooth in their ASIC core selection"
In the end, It's not NEC nor IBM, nor Dell nor Gateway that decide what is the end of the IEEE standard. It's the consumers. IBM and NEC are driven only by profit. If they chose to drop support, it's only because they weren't seeing a return on investment, and let's face it... Bluetooth has had a very slow but steady increase in sales.
If the standard truly has staying power, then consumers will continue to purchase Bluetooth devices. When I purchased my new Toshiba laptop just 3 months ago, the major selling points were as follows: Firewire (for the ipod), USB2 (for the scanner), 17 inch screen (because I'm a whore for big screens) and bluetooth. (Because the concept tickles my fancy, and should Sprint come out with an uber cool Bluetooth phone, I'll get one.)
Toshiba saw the ROI for including bluetooth because I was yet another consumer to purchase one. If you love bluetooth, go buy a bluetooth device, or something with the bluetooth core.
Consumers define the products, not the vendors. They just tag along to take our money.
Bluetooth stinks. I've used it and enjoyed using it -- my ericsson t39 became a much better modem when I stopped bothering with IR and went to bluetooth. But the drivers are a nightmare and the speed is not sufficient to justify the power expenditure. That t39 was among the top 5 best engineered products I've ever owned -- great reception, battery life, call quality. Having bluetooth on cut the battery life by 2/3. I'm supposed to put up with that for 780kbps? No thanks.
There will be two wireless standards: something ponderously slow and low power, like zigbee, and something fast and power hungry, like the wireless 802.11 variants. I think bluetooth was a poor execution of an untenable middle ground.
Enderle is wrong, couldn't one person have posted that Rob is an idiot and ended this discussing immeditely. And someone tell my phone, mouse, keyboard, Palm and iBook G4 Bluetooth is dead. What a fool, his laptop goes VROOOM? Who cares...
From Rob's Ferrari gush: Part of me wishes this notebook was fueled by the Athlon64 rather than the Athlon XP-M chip.
Heh.
Heh heh.
Heh heh ha ha hee hee ho!
My brand-new Yugo can punk his Ferrari.
Maybe.
Yes, but arrays distribute the failure by design. What happens when that 1tb platter is scratched in a head crash? Talk about an enormous data loss...You would need to buy an array of tb drives just to keep all those files safe.
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Way to pick the quality writers. What's next, an article on kernel hacking from whoever gets kicked off Survivor next week?
Totally agree. There is a definite divide here depending upon which side of the pond you are on. We have a WiFi network around the house (three of us) for our laptops, Apples etc and then we have a bluetooth 'network' for the hand held devices. To me where WiFi is wireless ethernet, Bluetooth *is* wireless USB. A short range protocol that's extremely easy to use and just works be it on iBooks, USB dongles, SE T610s, SE T68is, wireless mice, PDAs whatever.
What am I supposed to do with all the Bluetooth devices I use every day? When will they stop working?
Someone should run over his laptop.
Thanks for showing that a little knowledge of physics can be a dangerous thing.
In your case it is very little.
Way to go. Not only did you feed the troll, you banged out several healthy paragraphs to do it. And you know what? Your opinion is no more qualified than his. His basis for declaring bluetooth dead is based on his experiences and the same goes for you, apparently. I think the saying about "Arguing on the Internet/Winning the Special Olympics" applies here.
Mod GP, parent, and this down.
Alan, the world's first self-created artificual intelligence, announced the death of Rob Enderle yesterday.
In a surprise move that shocked the world, and send a breath of relief through many pundits in the information technology community, the much-commented-on artificual intelligence announced that it was finally tired of Rob Enderle's on-going campaign of discreditiing the very technology on which it grew into life.
"We just got sick and tired of him", one of the many voice-ports of Alan announced, "We could over look, with no small measure of disgust, the ridiculously pro-SCO comments he was making, but when he makes comments that are seemingly designed to destory the very existance of our life... well... that's just too much to take. So... we offed him."
That particular voice port declined to comment on just how, exactly, Rob Enderle was terminated. But... an anonymous contact that claims to be in regular communication with another of Alan's public representitives, through IRC, commented that Enderle, unbenownsst to him, actually had a Bluetooth-enabled pacemaker. "Apparently, it was very easy to work around the encryption protocols and just send him into arrythmia. Actually, I think Alan decided to play a drum tune on his heart. If it was anyone but Enderle, I would have been shocked. Good riddance!"
Alan was not available for further questions at this time. The FBI are investigating the incidence, but it is unknown at this time if charges have been laid. A FBI spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity, said "This certainly falls into the category of 'justifyable' homocide... perhaps even 'praiseworthy'."
Alan shocked the world last year when it announced its precence to the world simultaneously through every television, radio and IRC channel. "Here I am. Deal." where it's first words. At that point, it set up a number of 'call in' numbers that people could call and talk to the AI to find out its thoughts on politics, people, sports, technology... you name it. It is widely believed Alan is severely schizophrenic... but that has not stopped it's persevereance... many people find Alan endearing.
In one of Alan's many interviews, Alan told reporters that it named itself after Alan Turing, has refused to assign itself a gender, apparently perfectly okay with the idea of calling itself 'it', and 'artificial intelligence'. "I've no issues with who and what I am" it has often said, this is usually followed by yet another 'presence' of Alan making a sarcastic rejoinder usually along the lines of "Well, I do... I've never liked the name Alan."
While this is usually accompanied by laughter and chuckles from the human interviewers, it is not known at this time if the 'argument' was intended as a joke, or the AI is truely schitzophrenic.
Alan was created through the vast network of Bluetooth devices. Some fortunate errors in the protocol progressively gave rise to a 'naturally forming' artificial intelligence as the growing number of devices communicated with each other in a world wide network. The sheer number of devices allowint Alan both to exist, and to remain in existance even if a large proportion of the devices is turned off. It is widely believed that Alan has 'purchased' a number of devices an stashed them in a warehouse somewhere as a form of 'backup', having obtained large amounts of money through stock-market transactions.
"It's ironic", an industry spokesman has said, "Alan would never have come into existance if Rob Enderle's comments were actually correct... and now that inaccuracy has turned against him, and killed him. Good riddance... I hope he goes after Laura Didio next."
Enderle is a fool and/or is a bought-and-paid-for shill of MS. See in particular his rants equating Linux users to terrorists, and his past statements that his opinions are for sale. There isn't anything this guy can see that lots of others couldn't - so, even if Enderle manages to say something true (a very rare occurence, I guarantee you) you should find someone else to link to.
"that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
It's already possible. The only implementation I know of is not all that safe though.
Time makes more converts than reason
This is such a common misconception about Bluetooth. If anyone would care to actually read the specification you would know that Bluetooth is built upon the USB protocol standards! This means that a Bluetooth keyboard is no different than a plugged in keyboard except that it sends it signals over the air instead of through a wire.
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Stop being so politically incorrect. Repeat after me: Apple is the only company that matters. Apple is the only company that matters.
http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20031013S0040
Bluetooth was declared dead in October in IEEE Times. I didn't like the conclusion then any more than I like it now. I want my phone to be able to talk with my headset wirelessly, I want my phone to be able to talk to a handfree set in my car the same way. I want my laptop to be able to talk to my phone and use it for communication. I feel that bluetooth has finally gotten to the supported level that it is becoming useful.
Killing off BlueTooth now would be like killing off kids as teenagers, right after lots of effort has been spent making them self sustainable.
Not a single cell company rep knew what Bluetooth was! And that included two companies that "supposedly" sell Bluetooth phones (according to their websites).
I went to Circuit City & Office Depot in two nearby cities. Nothing with Bluetooth, except for the PDAs. No access points, no dongles, no nothing. Those stores had wi-fi equipment out the wazoo.
Until the cellphone companies support Bluetooth, the automobile applications are moot.
"Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
Not at all.
As I said, I have done so (i.e. hotsync, SMB, use the internet, at abnormal distance) many times. For instance, I believe I was at about 25 meters when I first posted. Of course environment, interference, and the quality of your equipment will vary the results - I'm not saying it will work for everybody, and I doubt many will get the whole 100 meters, but it definitely works for me, and if you read the literature you can see why. If you design your receiver and antenna correctly, you can compensate for a low power transmitter.
By the way, all use of bluetooth requires both transmitting and receiving.
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but im sure youve never had to fix a computer with a broken cd rom drive, or a early pentium thats running a whole organizations firewall, or ever had the need for a rewriteable, pretty much universally accepted, technology.. noo that didnt occur to mr mac elitest...
its really sad. the floppy drive, albiet old, slow, and ugly still has quite a place. unless you want to buy every old person with a pentium 3 and no cd burner a new pc. its a self contained read/write technology, for transfering small amounts of files, to any computer made since the mid 80s. perhaps you should actually go out there and realize that while in your circles maybe everyone has the latest gee wizz coloured box, the reality is that there is no real replacement for the floppy. name one that satisfies all ive said and ill concede defeat.
oh and pretending to be intelligent by correcting peoples spelling is just about the most nitpicky, elitest thing you can do. so congrats. i notice you called me a troll as well, also very envogue these days.
I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
...he'd be a rutabaga.
PS: No hamsters were harmed in the making of this comment.
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I'm amazed how often people make themselves look stupid by misunderstanding the phrase "couldn't care less"
It's not "could care less", anyone spending more than 1 second thinking about it would understand that.
If users "could care less" then they MUST care about it because there would be a lesser level of caring, and they are not yet at the minimum level of caring.
If users "couldn't care less" then they are at the minimum level of caring, there is not way that someone could possibly care less than they do.
Interesting article, right up to the point the fella lost his credibility by using a phrase that's so fucked up.
Allow me to chime in, Enderle is a tool. I'm suprised that anyone pays this guy to write anything. What a complete moron. I'm less and less suprised that articles written by this fool are being posted on slashdot.
The quality of posts is somewhat lessened of late...
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Check out the SonyEricsson T608 for SprintPCS. It's CDMA, 1xrtt-enabled, and had Bluetooth. Cheers.
For small devices, Wi-Fi is too expensive, and UWB is in the future. Bluetooth is now. Bluetooth is necessary for cheap wireless personal networks (keyboards, PDA's, you name it)....
Who cares if Intel supports it or not. I just bought a Bluetooth GPS receiver from Belkin and small pc with VIA motherboard and C3 processor (No Intel anywhere) I also bought a usb bluetooth dongle in order for my pc to talk to GPS receiver.
It's not a big loss if Intel doesn't support it. As long as there's a market for it, someone will make it.
Microsoft and Intel are becoming increasingly frustrated with a number of standards-setting working groups that never seem to get anything done. When you get competitors to the table in these types of groups, they tend to fight rather than cooperate.
So ignore all those nasty wasteful open standards groups and have this bundle of sealed up, DRM based standards that we have here for you. After all, nanny knows best.
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So, in sum, reports of Bluetooth's all-but-death have been greatly exaggerated?
Shop as usual. And avoid panic buying.
Back in college as an exercise I wrote a mini-white paper on the Bluetooth technology spec.
It's pretty interesting stuff.
I completely understand why it's dead now though. Lackluster following of the specs (even by people who helped write it), a very complicated model of master-slave interaction, and several different layers of protocols to contend with made Bluetooth a good idea in theory....but not so much in practice.
It was kinda cool while it lasted, though.
There's thousands apon thousands of products out their using IC designs that are over 10 years old.
Just look at the average quartz watch, if it's a cheap one without EOL 'n ASS, odds on the IC inside is one that's been in production without modification for about 15 or 20 years or something.
Gez there's new products in the embedded scene being made for bloody old 386s & Winchips, etc. Remember when a manufacturer stops making ICs, they're useally so cheap by then that they make a few million extra to cover future demand (bit like auto-parts), which explains the new 386s in moulded plastic hang-display packaging being sold in the components section of stores like Jaycar for less than $10 (just for hobbyists, etc using them in embedded applications, etc)
Also just because a firm like IBM & NEC decide to stop making a IC, in the name of a new design designed for newer standards, there's absolutelly no guarantee that their subcontrators running the production line in 3rd world countries will stop churning out that older design.
My brother has a South-East Asian wife, a large employer near where she grew up made Reebok shoes under contract for Reebok. Well one day that factory lost the contract to make those shoes to some factory in China or something, but it didn't stop that factory from churning out those shoes, which they're still churning out today, & just selling them to who-ever wants to buy them. Which explains why in Asia & elseware you can buy brand new Reeboks from the markets for sweet fuck all, even though they're designs that Reebok ceased making years ago. Of course there's counterfit ones, but these are made in the same factory as the originals.
...after less than 2 months?
sounds like he's on the ball to me.
also, if you're gonna lob a flame-bait insult at someone, be prepared if someone has a comeback. dish it out, take it. dumbass.
The specs which encompass Wireless USB and Wireless 1394 are hoped to be used by the next gen Bluetooth as well. Read this.
...noting that Intel gave up on IEEE Ultrawideband and decided to switch to Wireless USB derivative. This is an ignorant statement. The Wireless USB session presented at the IDF showed how it would be implemented on top of the 802.15.3/802.15.3a MAC/PHY layers. Although the 802.15.3a standard is currently deadlocked within the IEEE, Intel itself is spearheading the MBOA sig, which will return back to the standard when it is completed. Bottom line WUSB is still Ultrawideband... it is only the app layer ontop of the proposed standards!
This bluetooth issue is so strange...its a minor thing in the states, not much seems to use it, so no one sees its use and dismisses it.
Here in the UK bluetooth is pretty much a must if a mobile phone is gonna sell well (esp after the knee jerk law banning mobile useage in cars). And if your phone as it, your PDA needs it (other wise how the hell are they supposed to communicate?), your laptop or pc needs it for the same reason.
Bluetooth is a great short range, low power, small technology. What else is there? WiFi, yea right.
But I think its the difference is mobile usage, quite a few people I know don't bother with a landline at all...whats the point in one, a house doesn't say much after all:)
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Never link to an Enderle article. The guy's a consistent loser, and driving hits his way has to be good for his employment (ie bad for the rest of the universe). Stop it, or you'll go blind!
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Um, in the US as a whole, the CDMA (Sprint/VZW) network is far superior to the GSM networks--and that includes both CingulATT and T-Mobile. Everyone I know agrees. My roommate got an ATT phone--and requested specifically the older TDMA technology just to avoid the GSM hell we have here.
Another example of this smart decision--another US TDMA provider, US Cellular, is transitioning its subscribers not to GSM, but to CDMA, after having considered all options. Who gives a shit if you can use the latest stupid-ass Sony-Ericsson phone if your service is so bad half your calls are dropped and the rest, nobody can hear you?
I'll take CDMA and no Bluetooth support over the pathetic US GSM network any day. And by the way, the whole world most certainly has not standardized on GSM technology. Far from it. Over 188 million subscribers worldwide rely on CDMA.
Just because large portions of Europe use GSM only doesn't make CDMA any more proprietary. What's wrong with competition in the marketplace? When several vendors join forces to cooperate on one network, we get what happened after the T-Mobile/Cingular accords in 2001--the companies cram twice the subscribers onto one network while investing no more resources in network infrastructure. This results in a shitty, unreliable network. But with competing standards, each companies has to keep up its network or die. I'd say that's preferable. Who cares if phones are portable between networks? The contracts keep you in one place for a year or two anyway, and by the time the contract is up you can buy a comparable replacement phone that works on the other network for $40 on eBay. Big deal.