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If you want to turn a portion of the US into a "federal free zone" then you will become the new federal crimes enterprise zone and also the federal fugitives haven zone as well

Canada is a "federal free zone", yet Canada is hardly a "federal crimes enterprise zone" or "federal fugitives zone". What makes you think a free state would be any different in this regard?

Honestly, just move to the country people. If you mind your own business, most people will leave you alone. Just like they left Randy Weaver alone? Just like they left Carl Drega alone?

But honestly, if this is about the fact that you want to smoke weed, have an issue with pre-ban magazines on assault rifles, or generally just don't want to pay taxes, then I would suggest moving to Afghanistan.

There are more attractive destinations for those seeking to operate in a more tax-efficient manner. Places such as the Cayman Islands and Anguilla come to mind.

• He "unilaterally suspended the writ of habeas corpus and eventually ordered the federal army to arrest between 13,000 and 38,000 Northern civilians who were suspected of opposing his administration (this is the range of estimates that exists in published literature). These people were never given any due process at all.
• On May 18, 1864 Lincoln issued an order to General John Dix that read as follows: "You will take possession by military force, of the printing establishments of the New York World and Journal of Commerce . . . and prohibit any further publication thereof . . . you are therefore commanded forthwith to arrest and imprison . . . the editors, proprietors and publishers of aforesaid newspapers." Dix complied, and hundreds of newspapers were censored (see Dean Sprague's Freedom Under Lincoln).
• Lincoln won New York by 7,000 votes in 1864 "with the help of federal bayonets," according to David Donald in Lincoln Reconsidered; all telegraph communication was censored; the railroads were nationalized; new states were created unconstitutionally; and the Tenth Amendment was all but destroyed by the war.
• Even Lincoln's own attorney general, Edward Bates, was of the opinion that Lincoln's orchestration of the secession of western Virginia from the rest of the state was unconstitutional. Article IV, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution reads: "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any state be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress" (emphasis added). West Virginia was unconstitutionally carved out of Virginia, and since it did not even exist as a state, its non-existent legislature could not have consented, as required by the Constitution. A puppet government was established in Alexandria, Virginia, run by Republican Party operatives, which guaranteed a few more electoral votes for Lincoln in the 1864 election.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/wallace/wallace55.html

The theory came out in the 1930's, and was put forth by Otto Schindewolf and Richard Goldschmidt. It was originally called the "hopeful monster" theory.

Here is an excellent op-ed on the subject.

It's a good thing you didn't try to fit libertarian/market anarchist groups in there. I can't wait to see what happens when Lew Rockwell or Anti-State get popular enough that they have to worry about these kinds of problems. Then again, from National Review to Free Republic, the right has been losing eyeballs and minds to the market anarchists in droves....heck, even Sierra Times hardly links to the Freep anymore, and they're as 'conservative' as the libertarian.net gets (more so than Backwoods Home Magazine, although to their credit they have still resisted calls for National ID cards (though the article in question was written by a Cypherpunk and not one of their regulars). Smash the State, and have a nice day!

The Austrian school is a "really free market" school of economics.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/kinsella2.html has an overview of IP law, how it relates to Copyright, etc., by Stephan Kinsella. Mentions Napster.

http://www.kinsellalaw.com/ip/ has a huge list of online resources for IP related items. "Intellectual Property, Patent, and Law Resources".

http://www.mises.org/fullarticle.asp?record=468&mo nth=22 is an article by Gene Callahan that questions if patent law was ever effective. Mentions One-click.

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=812 is an article by Ilana Mercer about Cipro (anthrax drug), and its scarcity because of patents.

mises.org is the website for the Ludwig von Mises institute, lewrockwell.com is "the anti-state, anti-war, pro-market news site."

The Austrian school is a "really free market" school of economics.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/kinsella2.html has an overview of IP law, how it relates to Copyright, etc., by Stephan Kinsella. Mentions Napster.

http://www.kinsellalaw.com/ip/ has a huge list of online resources for IP related items. "Intellectual Property, Patent, and Law Resources".

http://www.mises.org/fullarticle.asp?record=468&mo nth=22 is an article by Gene Callahan that questions if patent law was ever effective. Mentions One-click.

http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=812 is an article by Ilana Mercer about Cipro (anthrax drug), and its scarcity because of patents.

mises.org is the website for the Ludwig von Mises institute, lewrockwell.com is "the anti-state, anti-war, pro-market news site."

Consumer Protection Laws that are currently active don't protect the consumer at all. They've only moved to help "big business" and you know that's true.

What about Microsoft? Can you name ONE competitor to ANY of Microsoft's products that works decently enough, that is compatible across the board with the hardware that the average user has, that is easy to teach to the laymen, and that looks and feels good?

Netscape? Crap. You know it is. I've tried, for years, to replace Office with my clients. I've tried (and will continue to try) to replace Outlook. I've tried to find a replacement for IE55. It's not because of Microsoft's monopoly, its because of BAD competition -- the incentive is there, and with time, Microsoft will be toppled. They've been a super power for only 10 years, how long were Ford and Xerox super powers? They toppled pretty much on their own.

Competition WORKS for the consumer. But we let government subsidize everyone (the steel industry most recently, the farm industries will be getting new subsidies soon) to the consumer's loss.

How is selling a printer for $50 and cartridges for $30 colluding? If I come out with a $300 printer and $10 cartridges, will you buy it?

The "Libertarian bullshit" about starting a company won't work well as long as we have all this government protection of "big business." End Corporate Welfare is every libertarian's MAIN chant. Even libertarian Congress Ron Paul just proclaimed an end to corporate welfare just last week. Libertarians know that big business NEVER prospers when it gets too big, and that is why big business pays off the government for subsidies.

Ok.. I've attemped to defend my position for over 40 minutes now and I've been bailing out the Titanic with a teaspoon..

I've made arguments against so many socialist in that last 40 minutes you've exhausted me...

If you disagree with me please read through my thread and read some of my responses...

If you still don't agree with me and wish to learn more on my position here is a list of reading materials if you are intrested.

Libertarian Party
The Mises Institute for Libertarian and Classical Economic Studies
Free-Market Network (Libertarianism & Economics)
A Little Bit Crazy Libertarian Lew Rockwell

Great comment, mod this guy up.

I use e-gold. The problem is (as told by the greatest Congressman in U.S. history) that the U.S. Government messes with fiat money as well as buys and sells gold in order to hide the terrible inflation (20%+) we're experiencing right now.

We're in a terrible recession but because of the government's holdings in gold, you can't tell because they prevent the price of gold from skyrocketing as it does in an inflation. This is the government you want regulating the banking industry?

This is an interesting article about a gets arrested while connected to a school's wireless network on his laptop. He said he got the fastest connection ever on it. The school's network had no security what so ever. Anyone who had a wireless network card and was close enough could use it.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/stein8.html

www.B.150M.com

From another post:

um please explain that. what i see is a country led by an extreme right wing leader (athiests arent citizens, the only way to settle problems is thru war, big business rocks, capitalism rocks, etc). maybe i just missed all the humanitarian things bush is doing, so if you could please enlighten me i would be greatful.

No, Bush truly is not "extreme right wing", he's actually closer to down the middle. Aside from that, your definition of "right wing", "conservative" is full of misconceptions. You and many other "left wingers" might be dedicated to humanitarian ideals, but government involvement in everything is not the way to go about that. The United States was founded on the ideas now called "conservative". Read the Constitution if you doubt that. There's nothing there which gives the government the right to do "humanitarian" things. These are left to churches and other private organizations, where they belong, and where they actually get done. Government involvement only does the opposite, allowing those in power to get rich while the rest of the world suffers from excessive taxes and inflation.

From another post in this thread:

Liking capitalism is an "extreme right" idea? We live in a capitalist society.

Sadly, no. We live in a progressively socialist society. We (at least the US) started out capitalist, but with things like the IMF and World Bank, we have been progressing down the road of Fabian Socialism for many years. "Fabian" is the term chosen by the Fabian Society, led by such English socialists as Sidney and Beatrice Webb and George Bernard Shaw. Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrocosus was the Roman general who won the Second Punic War against Hannibal:

{Fabian policy}, a policy like that of Fabius Maximus, who, by carefully avoiding decisive contests, foiled Hannibal, harassing his army by marches, countermarches, and ambuscades; a policy of delays and cautions. (dict.org)

Thus, the Fabian goal is the same as that of the Communist Bolsheviks, but their means. are through propaganda and legislation rather than violent overthrow.

The stained glass window at the Beatrice Webb House in Surrey, England, shows Shaw and Webb reshaping the world on an anvil, with the crest of a wolf in sheep's clothing in the background between them. It also portrays the masses below them, kneeling to worship books advocating the theories of socialism.

Through such institutions and policies as the Federal Reserve, FSLIC, and FDIC in America, and the IMF (also see: here) and World Bank internationally, America and the rest of the world have been submerged in the "ideals" of socialism.

For more information, if you want to be an informed and educated individual rather than another mindless person screaming "right wing extreme!", do some research on the Bolsheviks/Mensheviks, socialism, the Federal Reserve System, the FDIC, other policies instituted during Roosevelt's socialist "New Deal", the IMF and World bank established at the Bretton Woods Conference in 1944 by Fabian socialists at least two members of a Communist espionage ring in Washington, among other things.

For a start, I recommend The Creature from Jekyll Island to anyone who thinks we truly live in a free-market, capitalist society. The author, through much research, exposes the mechanisms which are making this society socialist (which is to say, liberal, aka "left"), and which have been the cause of massive inflation over the years by creating oney out of nothing.

I do find it very interesting that you can quote Ayn Rand in your sig, and still write as if "government" takes care of people.

It seems an irreconsilable contradiction.

I can suggest the essay "Government Is Evil" on LewRockwell.com as a primer for my "opinion" that you say you disagree with.

On the other hand, you may just disagree with my definition of "socialist", which is also interesting in of itself.

Bob-

Here's a review of a book about Tolkien that talks about this.

Arguing with Nationalistic Americans (that is, most of us) is fruitless. You can have a nice discussion with a Patriotic American, however. Here is a link to the difference between the two.

Why is the country so pro-government all of a sudden, when its so easy to prove that its exactly those in the elite that control its every move?

In the war against Iraq, many of those at the top of the pyramid (G.H. Bush, Cheney, Schwartzkopf, etc) were found GUILTY by the International War Crimes Tribunal. The war against Iraq was not about Saddam Hussein, but about oil interests. This was never covered in the media, and many United Staters today fully support the actions we used against the "enemy." Saddam is not crazy, not stupid, and was probably not wrong in his reacquisition of Kuwait. He even asked us if he could do it, and we didn't say no.

In Afghanistan, oil interests of our President and his cronies are the only thing at stake. The proof against bin Laden is thin at best, and the translations of bin Laden's video that everyone thinks he is accepting blame are off at best. But the 500 years of oil (at current consumption rates) that UNOCAL and the elite's friends want access to is currently controlled by the Taliban. Again, ignored by the government controlled media.

Freedom of Speech is gone when it is regulated. With the FCC punishing anti-government sentiment from its beginning, its obvious there is no freedom of speech in the TV and radio media. Since the newspapers are now controlled by those same media mavens, they too should be ignored.

The Libertarian philosophy of non-intervention and free trade is more important than ever to focus on. Even lifetime Libertarians though are towing the government line and wanting revenge, even though the proof against Afghanistan and bin Laden is shamefully non-existant.

And the biggest kick is that we are not even at war. We can't be. If we are, it is illegal, as the Constitution REQUIRES Congress to declare it.

Want to stop terrorist militant attacks on our nation? Limit the powers of Congress as set forth in the Constitution. Create a new foreign policy of non-intervention by our government, remove all sanctions and embargos, tariffs and subsidies. Let good people trade with whoever they want, and stop subsidizing big business in every way.

I think many slashdotters would understand that 99% of the problems we complain about here is not Big Business' fault at all, but governments and the people's. We LET Congress give Big Business subsidies, so why are you complaining that M$ has a monopoly? If Congress couldn't subsidize, M$ wouldn't donate to their campaigns, and we wouldn't have such a monopoly-like fiasco. On the same hand, when we give Congress the power to subsidize business, we give the U.S. "interests" in other countries. This is the cause of almost all our problems, including terrorism!

Limit big government, and you will limit so many problems that we face in the world and locally each and every day. Give the government more power, and you only make it worse.

If you don't believe me, why not drop me an e-mail and lets debate it one on one. I, too, was a non-believer, until I spent just a few months researching the realities of "Big Government."

On a tangential note, End Women's Suffrage Now! tells a dihydrogen monoxide-like tale worked into a rant of "don't vote, it only encourages them."