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Well since they laud the new sidebar so much for better use of widescreen monitors they should love the fact that LibreOffice will have it within a few days...

4.1 is due in a matter of days which has an improved sidebar that's resizeable and not just a static part of the screen.

I really question what the point of AOO is at this juncture given that LO is clearly the more active project and has two years of code clean up and development over AOO due to the way Oracle let it stagnate for so long.

If you want to try 4.1 now it is on the pre-releases page and it's the final RC there ... ie the same that will be released as final GA in a few days.

It does in many way sounds like it could be exploited as a tax dodge too. And the thing is, these would be companies free/open source people wouldn't have ever heard of, because they would be fake.

That seems like a conclusion jumped to with not a single example.

Check out the first line on this page: http://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/
Or this IRS letter proudly displayed on the Apache Foundation. http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/ASF-501c3.pdf
Or the statements on the Samba website: http://www.samba.org/samba/donations.html

These are hardly companies you have never heard of.
But each of them have probably taken a lot of money out of the pocket of other big players in the industry.
Players that have influence. Players that hold grudges. Players that can write letters and offer campaign donations.

This isn't about catching fake companies, its a political payback for large corporations.

The thing about a non-profit is that it really doesn't reduce tax revenue much at all. The money has to go somewhere, to the employees as salary or perks that have to be reported on their tax forms. It all gets taxed in the end.

Hmm...

For Spreadsheets, have you had a look at:

        http://www.libreoffice.org/features/calc
and

        http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric

>

Excel is so far removed from those two options that the fact that you even mention them tells me you either:

A) Don't actually use them (because you would know how shitty they are and wouldn't recommend them)
B) Have never used Excel beyond "Hurr derr my first mail merge and pivot table!"

You might as well compare Photoshop to MS Paint.

nope it can even do that

http://donate.libreoffice.org/

granted many macros from excel can't be run "out of the box" but there are basic (language) macros in calc and many excel macros would probably need minimal changes to work

https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Using_Microsoft_Office_and#Macros_in_Microsoft_Office_and_LibreOffice

i don't find much need for macros since most requirements of a spreadsheet can be met with formulas or conditional formatting. anything more and you're probably encroaching on database or external script territory.

Hmm...

For Spreadsheets, have you had a look at:
        http://www.libreoffice.org/features/calc
and
        http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric

For a Desktop Environment:
        http://mate-desktop.org/

When I have to use a Microsoft O/S, I feel I'm flying blind with one hand tied behind my back with the undercarriage still deployed. Microsoft O/S's are slow, cumbersome, lacking in customisability, and inherently insecure - I first started using a box with a Microsoft O/S back in the early days of MS-DOS, and I've seen Microsoft Windows 8.

Linux is the most widely used O/S on embedded devices and servers. It is also growing on the desktop.

In our household we have:
2 Linux desktops
2 Linux laptops
1 Linux phone (Android 4.2)
1 Linux gaming console (wii)
1 iPhone
1 Apple Mac desktop
(Note absence Microsoft O/S, and I suspect we will not get another Mac!)

Metro, is a good reason to switch to Linux.

Most people who have only a casual need for an office suite have always relied on affordable alternatives like Microsoft Works. But that still leaves about 16-20% of the US work force who are statistically defined as clerical workers and those in other trades and professions who rely on Word, Excel and so on.

I'd bet that 90% of folks defined as clerical workers have no idea what a PivotTable is. Even if they do, LibreOffice has this feature. This is just my opinion, but I believe the only reason most people are willing to shell out several hundred bucks for Office is because they are either too cowardly to learn new software or wealthy enough to afford the higher quality that it offers. Strictly speaking, I don't think the vast majority of people who use office actually need MS Office because of some critical or irreplaceable feature it has.

I will counter your googling for office crashes, not with facts, but with my own googling of libre office crashes! That's a sure fire way to get people on-side!

Libre Office crashing all over the place:
http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/952/writer-35-keeps-crashing/
http://askubuntu.com/questions/41329/how-can-i-stop-libreoffice-from-randomly-crashing
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/163405-open-office-3-libre-crashes.html
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/data-crash-and-recovery-with-libre-office-937038/
http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/1259
http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/2908
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12071436

Libre Office crashing on startup:
http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/3511/libreoffice-crashes-on-opening/
http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/151139-Open-Office-and-Libre-Office-crash-on-start-up

I will counter your googling for office crashes, not with facts, but with my own googling of libre office crashes! That's a sure fire way to get people on-side!

Libre Office crashing all over the place:
http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/952/writer-35-keeps-crashing/
http://askubuntu.com/questions/41329/how-can-i-stop-libreoffice-from-randomly-crashing
http://www.sevenforums.com/software/163405-open-office-3-libre-crashes.html
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/data-crash-and-recovery-with-libre-office-937038/
http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/1259
http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/2908
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12071436

Libre Office crashing on startup:
http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/3511/libreoffice-crashes-on-opening/
http://windowssecrets.com/forums/showthread.php/151139-Open-Office-and-Libre-Office-crash-on-start-up

If you use Linux, and other open source software, you can do a lot of learning and paid work in the software industry without having to pay expensive licences - while still being strictly legal!

word processor & other office software:
http://www.libreoffice.org/

database:
http://www.postgresql.org/

compilers:
http://gcc.gnu.org/

operating system & sufficient software to do useful things (2 of over 100 offerings, pick one that suites you best!):
https://fedoraproject.org/
http://www.debian.org/

network diagnostic:
http://www.wireshark.org/ ... and many others ...

It would be more useful to fix LibreOffice to produce output that looks as good as TeX.

http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/ is active for OpenOffice
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/writer2latex-1 is the Libre version though no one is pushing across changes.

Although this sounds interesting, what would be more useful for me would be OpenOffice/LibreOffice on Android.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/libreoffice-for-android-frustratingly-close-to-release/
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Android
http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11985/is-libreoffice-4-available-for-android/

You can use LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice, it does no depend on Java!

http://www.libreoffice.org/

Well, have a better look before spreading lies. For kernel, web browser and libreoffice

Kernel:
Stable - 2.6
Testing - 3.2
Unstable - 3.2 (released July, 2012)
Current version - 3.8
Those 3.6/3.7 files seen in your link? Experimental. Yeah you could make it work, but then you aren't running Sid anymore. Not entirely. And if you run too much experimental for too long, something is going to end up horribly broken.

Firefox/Iceweasel:
Stable - 3.5
Testing - 10esr
Unstable - 10esr (released March 2012)
Current Version - 19.0

Libreoffice:
Stable - 3.5
Testing - 3.5
Unstable - 3.5 (released February 2012)
Current version - 4.0

YOU DO have very recent packages available, even right now, during the freeze of testing. I haven't checked DE and X, since I don't know what you run (eg: which graphic card, and which environment you like).

I run XFCE on testing, not that it matters.

XFCE:
Stable - 4.6
Testing - 4.8
Unstable - 4.8 (released Jan 2011)
Current Version - 4.10 (released April 2012)

Like I said, Sid isn't bleeding edge. Of the packages here, the newest in Sid is the kernel: 7 months old.

It's also worth noting that drivers receive unblock from the release team so that they can enter stable.

Well that's great (and I genuinely mean that), but a bleeding-edge enthusiast would only see that 3.2 != 3.8.

The LibreOffice API allow many languages http://api.libreoffice.org/

What I do not understand is why all you people are still purchasing this stupid Office suite when LibreOffice is the same thing and does the same things and saves in Microsoft format and IT IS FREE. Stop buying that Microsoft Office suit. Start using Libre Office. It is FREE Get it here: http://www.libreoffice.org/#0

If you were to explain to OpenOffice users that Oracle laid off all the programmers before handing the trademark to Apache, and their new team is legally unable to accept changes made by LibreOffice, more people would try LO. That disclaimer is currently not on the Apache website. It would also be a useful warning if they listed all the features missing from LibreOffice. The current full list is already mind-blowing (4.0, 3.6, 3.5, 3.4, 3.3), and they are just getting started (Easy hacks, GSoc).

If you were to explain to OpenOffice users that Oracle laid off all the programmers before handing the trademark to Apache, and their new team is legally unable to accept changes made by LibreOffice, more people would try LO. That disclaimer is currently not on the Apache website. It would also be a useful warning if they listed all the features missing from LibreOffice. The current full list is already mind-blowing (4.0, 3.6, 3.5, 3.4, 3.3), and they are just getting started (Easy hacks, GSoc).

If you were to explain to OpenOffice users that Oracle laid off all the programmers before handing the trademark to Apache, and their new team is legally unable to accept changes made by LibreOffice, more people would try LO. That disclaimer is currently not on the Apache website. It would also be a useful warning if they listed all the features missing from LibreOffice. The current full list is already mind-blowing (4.0, 3.6, 3.5, 3.4, 3.3), and they are just getting started (Easy hacks, GSoc).

If you were to explain to OpenOffice users that Oracle laid off all the programmers before handing the trademark to Apache, and their new team is legally unable to accept changes made by LibreOffice, more people would try LO. That disclaimer is currently not on the Apache website. It would also be a useful warning if they listed all the features missing from LibreOffice. The current full list is already mind-blowing (4.0, 3.6, 3.5, 3.4, 3.3), and they are just getting started (Easy hacks, GSoc).

If you were to explain to OpenOffice users that Oracle laid off all the programmers before handing the trademark to Apache, and their new team is legally unable to accept changes made by LibreOffice, more people would try LO. That disclaimer is currently not on the Apache website. It would also be a useful warning if they listed all the features missing from LibreOffice. The current full list is already mind-blowing (4.0, 3.6, 3.5, 3.4, 3.3), and they are just getting started (Easy hacks, GSoc).

How about: LibreOffice loses images from documents regardless of which file format you use, resulting in hours of extra unnecessary work & a great deal of annoyance for coworkers? http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/2515/writer-with-pictures-often-fails/

I can't speak for everyone else, but I was answering questions and testing bugs until 11am. Then I was very tired and got a couple of hours of sleep.

The Infrastructure team was trying to migrate several of the websites over to a new server about the same time as 4.0 was released. After some brief downtime, everything pulled through. Due to a perfect storm of problems during the previous two days, the server upgrades were delayed all the way until release day (oops!)

If you grabbed 3.6.5 this morning, you didn't miss a new release on that branch -- 3.6.5 came out on Jan 30th, and 3.6.6 won't come out until the 2nd week of April. The 4.0.0.3 release is working pretty well, running into a few bugs and issues, but we're working to iron those out as quickly as possible.

Feel free to Ask questions or Report a bug if and when the fancy strikes you.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I was answering questions and testing bugs until 11am. Then I was very tired and got a couple of hours of sleep.

The Infrastructure team was trying to migrate several of the websites over to a new server about the same time as 4.0 was released. After some brief downtime, everything pulled through. Due to a perfect storm of problems during the previous two days, the server upgrades were delayed all the way until release day (oops!)

If you grabbed 3.6.5 this morning, you didn't miss a new release on that branch -- 3.6.5 came out on Jan 30th, and 3.6.6 won't come out until the 2nd week of April. The 4.0.0.3 release is working pretty well, running into a few bugs and issues, but we're working to iron those out as quickly as possible.

Feel free to Ask questions or Report a bug if and when the fancy strikes you.

Your the only one everyone else is moving to Libreoffice and Google Docs,.

No, no they're not. If your clients, boss, or coworkers are sending you Excel spreadsheets or heavily formatted Word documents for you to work on and return and you insist on using LibreOffice you will find yourself without clients, boss, or coworkers. You don't get to tell them to format their files as Office 2003 and hand them a list of formatting, drawing, template, and macro features they will have to stop using. MS owns you, or at least they own me. Heck, I tried to set up LibreOffice for my Mom but everyone else at the nonprofit she volunteers for uses MS Word/Excel, so that fell through too.

seriously though http://www.libreoffice.org/ is great.

Not if MS can help it.

Now all I need is Office to work on Linux

Your the only one everyone else is moving to Libreoffice and Google Docs, The iPad proved that few really need or want office..but then its off-topic. Ironically the best selling laptop right now on Amazon is a Chromebook guess your list of requirements is out of touch with most users..

seriously though http://www.libreoffice.org/ is great.

Are you also entitled to free internet, free Office software, free MS SQL CALs, free vSphere enterprise licenses?

Yes, yes, no, somewhat.
(although "free" is not made explicit in the first link, "basic human right" seems to hint in that direction)

steam for games

Steam for Linux Beta Now Available to All

Open Office as a good-enough-replacement for MS office

OpenOffice is as good as dead. Use LibreOffice

it will need lightroom 4 working

I can't commetn here, but outlook not so good


M.

Ever heard of LibreOffice? If you claim you're unable to write "powerful macros" in any of these languages, then it is you who is the "idiot".

I don't think the problem is so much writing new Macros, but in rewriting all of the tried-and-true macros and formulas that the Finance exec has been using for the past decade. Sure, it could be ported and rewritten, but why have a $100/hour finance professional spend time learning a new macro language and rewriting and validating his old functions/macros for a new spreadsheet platform? It only takes a few hours of wasted work to pay for MS Office.

Better link.

Ever heard of LibreOffice? If you claim you're unable to write "powerful macros" in any of these languages, then it is you who is the "idiot".

Or you could just carry LibreOffice portable along with the documents.

It is a smart decision to invest into Libreoffice. The Libreoffice Development Conference this year took place at the German ministry of business and technology. Behind the scenes several European governments consider to cut costs with huge Libreoffice migrations. Add to that Libreoffice is a European foundation while Openoffice.org is hold back by Americans. The likely solution to the competitive pressure would be that Microsoft goes open source with its own Office suite. The Chinese demonstrated the Europeans with their Kingsoft Office suite how to do it, how to break free from the Microsoft dependency.

There is a portable version (have not tried it) or installer that's about 200MB or less.
I think most people would prefer to use a cloud storage app and run it locally.

They got it working with broadway (gtk app to webpage) a while back so if you really want it its possible to do it yourself.

LibreOffice http://www.libreoffice.org/
OpenOffice OpenOffice.org
Apache Open Office

All have support (to varying degrees) for .docx
With the appropriate add ons, etc

Let me tell you that, as a developer, you are exactly the type of person I want writing feature requests and bug reports. Those are all necessary or neat features, and your descriptions are good. It's a shame LO doesn't have a feature request section or a task list of requested features being implemented (just check https://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/ , I didn't see it).

I mean honestly the only rebuttial I could provide would be for 2 + 3, which would be to use documentation/guide generation tools - but that's not a valid argument because the average office user would not be able to use most of the tools out there and those tools don't usually provide print-friendly output.

Thank you for the excellent reply.

I've already acknowledged that MS Office has/used to have nice customization for the toolbar, so this isn't necessarily about M$O vs OO.

Secondly, strictly in the spirit of going to the heart of the matter, I've spent some time digging into your test scenario, and here's what I have:

Screenshot

Basically, a blank toolbar with most of what you referenced. In turn:

Format-Column-Hide: present
Select-Visable-Only: might have to install this OO extension
Format-Cells-Accounting: Don't quite know what accounting format is. I used Currency format.
Record Macro: I added this to the toolbar, but it's not showing for some reason. Didn't dig further at this time.
Stop Macro: present
Run Macro: I forgot to add this to the screenshot, but you can add it.
(then the old ones): what does this mean?
font size: present
underline: present
fill background blue: the background color selector remembers your previous color, in this case blue. Otherwise you'd do a macro.
(unselect your cells and select all): You don't have to unselect to select all, I put both commands in.
Format-Column-Unhide: present

By the way, did you mean: perform all the actions above, and bind that to a toolbar button? Because you can do that, too.

Anything I'm missing? Just trying to understand what's possible and not in the latest MS Office vs. OpenOffice.

The Libre documentation PDF is awesome and extensive (like 400 pages!) but mentions no word of Pivot Tables.

The top google search result for [libreoffice pivot table] (disclaimer: I never used LibreOffice Calc):
http://help.libreoffice.org/Calc/Pivot_Table

"MS Office 2013 Pushing Home Users Toward Libre Office".

There, I fixed that for you.

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/

Well then, I'll just leave this here:
Download Libre Office. $0, $0 a month. I think you can swing it.

Not so fast! When I was in Spain I flagged down a taxi with a sign that said 'Libre', and the bastard made me pay for the ride anyway.

Well then, I'll just leave this here:
Download Libre Office. $0, $0 a month. I think you can swing it.

I found a 7" netbook for $46.99 USD here that meets your basic requirements (keyboard, display, low power consumption) with the quantities you'd need.

Combine that with a freeware solution like LibreOffice.

I'm no expert but I think this combination would serve you well.

What I found really interesting about TFA is that it mentioned a new feature enabling Word to import PDF files and *edit* them. How often have you wished you had the ability to do _that_ (I have wished for a long, long time)? Why wasn't this mentioned on /.?

Because there is already a mainstream office suite that does that, but Microsoft's will be the first (and probably last seeing as the spec has undocumented sections) to be fully compatible with OXML.

Did Open Office get revived? I thought LibreOffice was the newish hotness? Oh, and the set that wants Free as in Beer and isn't concerned with FOSS there is always Kingsoft Office.

Thanks for the funny comment. Is this really the year of Linux on the desktop, and the installations of KDE threaten the market position of Windows?

Oracle bought Sun and then changed the license to Open Office. Whereas Open Office had been gaining acceptance and support, Oracle's modification of the license changed halted the inertia Open Office had been gaining.

Oh that succeeded wonderfully, didn't it?

I'd suggest that people run a more modern operating system than Win XP, but LibreOffice will even run on Windows 2000!

LibreOffice system requirements:

- Microsoft Windows 2000 (Service Pack 4 or higher), XP, Vista, Windows 7, or Windows 8;
- Pentium-compatible PC (Pentium III, Athlon or more-recent system recommended);
- 256 Mb RAM (512 Mb RAM recommended);

"Completely configurable line sizes and colours."

This option is there, it is just not easy to find. It is also a little funky in the way it operates... but it IS present, and it DOES work. You can define any text color you want. Go to (in OS X), Preferences | LibreOffice | Colors, then Add, Modify, or Edit.

"Page Style sheets that are linked to each other."

This is in the Format | Page dialogue of Libre Office, in the "Organizer" tab. (I am using 3.5.0, which is not the most recent version.)

Advanced integrated bibliography handling.

Your use of the term "advanced" is ambiguous. It does do bibliographies. But without knowing what you mean by "advanced integrated", I have no way to really address your objection.

Related content management i.e. tying multiple documents together on different axis

Again, I'm not sure what you mean by "tying... together on different axis" means. Are you referring to Pivot Tables for spreadsheets? That feature is most definitely there. If that's what you meant, I don't understand why you think it's not. It has been part of the suite for quite a while.

Those things aren't at different places they just aren't there.

Yes, they are, as I have demonstrated. Except perhaps for the last item, because I am not sure what you meant by it. But if you meant what are commonly called Pivot Tables, yes that is there too.

As I said above the /. crowd tends to be ignorant of these sorts of advanced features because they aren't heavy office productivity users.

But the features you mentioned aren't missing. They are there.

I'm aware of their native versions. They are inferior to NeoOffice.

Maybe on your computer. I can't speak to your own personal difficulties. But when Open Office came out with their own OS X version, I immediately switched from NeoOffice, and I have had no trouble at all since. As mentioned, I am now running LibreOffice (because I was not about to give Oracle any support in that direction) and I have had exactly no troubles with that, either.

"In OO and LO float windows (ex style bars) float like they should in MS Windows not OSX, a partial port of the interface."

I have no idea what you are talking about. They "float" just fine for me, and dock when they are supposed to dock. Dockable windows is a per-program interface decision, and is not unique to either Windows or OS X. I just opened my Style bar and it behaves like pretty much any other floating OS X window that I have used. (The docking part being an option, as I mentioned. You don't have to use it.)

"Why do you think that back when people got Microsoft Works often for free they still bought Office?"

Jeez, dude, you're talking about like 10-12 years ago. Where have you been?

In all honestly, I don't know what you're objecting to. The features you claim are "missing" are right there... just, as I said, maybe not where you are expecting to find them (if I understood what you meant in your descriptions). The glitches you complain about, I have not had. So... our personal experiences have been different, I can accept that. But I do not agree with your "feature" arguments.

"Completely configurable line sizes and colours."

This option is there, it is just not easy to find. It is also a little funky in the way it operates... but it IS present, and it DOES work. You can define any text color you want. Go to (in OS X), Preferences | LibreOffice | Colors, then Add, Modify, or Edit.

"Page Style sheets that are linked to each other."

This is in the Format | Page dialogue of Libre Office, in the "Organizer" tab. (I am using 3.5.0, which is not the most recent version.)

Advanced integrated bibliography handling.

Your use of the term "advanced" is ambiguous. It does do bibliographies. But without knowing what you mean by "advanced integrated", I have no way to really address your objection.

Related content management i.e. tying multiple documents together on different axis

Again, I'm not sure what you mean by "tying... together on different axis" means. Are you referring to Pivot Tables for spreadsheets? That feature is most definitely there. If that's what you meant, I don't understand why you think it's not. It has been part of the suite for quite a while.

Those things aren't at different places they just aren't there.

Yes, they are, as I have demonstrated. Except perhaps for the last item, because I am not sure what you meant by it. But if you meant what are commonly called Pivot Tables, yes that is there too.

As I said above the /. crowd tends to be ignorant of these sorts of advanced features because they aren't heavy office productivity users.

But the features you mentioned aren't missing. They are there.

I'm aware of their native versions. They are inferior to NeoOffice.

Maybe on your computer. I can't speak to your own personal difficulties. But when Open Office came out with their own OS X version, I immediately switched from NeoOffice, and I have had no trouble at all since. As mentioned, I am now running LibreOffice (because I was not about to give Oracle any support in that direction) and I have had exactly no troubles with that, either.

"In OO and LO float windows (ex style bars) float like they should in MS Windows not OSX, a partial port of the interface."

I have no idea what you are talking about. They "float" just fine for me, and dock when they are supposed to dock. Dockable windows is a per-program interface decision, and is not unique to either Windows or OS X. I just opened my Style bar and it behaves like pretty much any other floating OS X window that I have used. (The docking part being an option, as I mentioned. You don't have to use it.)

"Why do you think that back when people got Microsoft Works often for free they still bought Office?"

Jeez, dude, you're talking about like 10-12 years ago. Where have you been?

In all honestly, I don't know what you're objecting to. The features you claim are "missing" are right there... just, as I said, maybe not where you are expecting to find them (if I understood what you meant in your descriptions). The glitches you complain about, I have not had. So... our personal experiences have been different, I can accept that. But I do not agree with your "feature" arguments.

"Will it run Microsoft Visio or .vsd compatible program?" Nope.

LibreOffice recently added support for importing vsd files. Not sure about exporting changes, but its at least half way there. http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-5-new-features-and-fixes/

"Will it let me log to work from home?" Nope, doesn't even run the remote client.

Not sure what you use, but Citrix, RDP, and Cisco VPN all work great from my Linux machine... Citrix was a pain to install due to outdated libraries, but it still works.

Out of the hundreds of examples, I give you one, which to me is enough to make the $100 price of Office worth it. Try this in LibreOffice:

Roger

* Create a multipage document eg 6 pages

1) Open LO Writer.
2) Hit CTRL+ENTER 5 times (to add 5 pages to the document)
3) Success!

* Try and select 3 pages worth of text using Shift-PgDn

1) Open LO Writer.
2) Copy the text from https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum and paste it once or twice into your document.

Your document will now be about 3-6 pages long (assuming default fonts, etc..)

3) Use PgUp to go to the top of the document.
4) Press and hold SHIFT+PgDn until you have selected the entire document.
5) Success!

(I used LibreOffice 3.4.4 OOO340m1 (Build:402) on Ubuntu 11.10, but I expect these instructions will work on 3.5/3.6 on various Windows flavors as well)

If LibreOffice still isn't working properly for you, feel free to ask for help on the #libreoffice channel on Freenode or file a bug using the Bug Submission Assistant.