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Remove that, you kill the Mac because it will lose all of the Adobe apps, the ability to run Windows either directly or via VM, the ability to run Windows apps via WINE, a ton of software originally written for Linux, and more. It will completely kill the software ecosystem on the Mac and make it literally unusable for a ton of developers who rely on x86-64.

Adobe has been porting Photoshop to iOS for several years in anticipation of just such a move. By the time Apple switches CPUs, a substantial percentage of the Desktop version of Photoshop (if not the entire code base) will have already been ported to run on ARM. I would not be surprised if their other project teams are doing something similar.

What moving to ARM will do, unfortunately, is create a big barrier for anyone still running Photoshop CS6 and Lightroom 6, i.e. the people who refuse to switch to a subscription model. It is unlikely that very many of those users will still be running Photoshop after that, so Adobe's overall market share will take a beating pretty quickly. I hope that the rise of alternative products will fill that gap well enough that Adobe will find themselves pressured to restore their software sales model, but I'm not holding my breath. Either way, my first ARM-based Mac will mark the end of Adobe products for me. I'm done with them.

As for Linux and Windows apps, maybe you missed it, but Windows started transitioning to ARM in 2016, with hardware shipping in late 2017, and Linux has run on ARM processors since the last part of the 20th century. Any software that has strong ties to x86 will have to be rewritten anyway, no matter what Apple does.

No dirty jokes please!

The TL;DR of this means that the devices must be on the same iCloud account, cooperate with Handoff, be in close proximity geographically and it'll only leave data available for a short period of time after being copied.

https://www.macstories.net/stories/macos-sierra-the-macstories-review/#universal-clipboard

Obviously a fan site, but contains useful details on the actual implementation and behaviour. As with any online system there is a security concern, but it doesn't strike me as anymore of a "security disaster" than anything else in iCloud, especially things like the super-useful, but clearly risky, iCloud Keychain. Apple's accounts must be extraordinarily attractive to hackers, a major goldmine; one day there will doubtless be an extremely serious breach; but so far, it's all been infrequent and minor. They've a poor track record with stability of their "cloud enabled" software, but the iCloud security track record is quite alright compared to the rest of the industry.

And a Search of the iOS App Store came up with an impressive list of Programming utilities and IDEs for a wide variety of languages.

Before I spend hundreds on an iPad, keyboard, and app licenses with which to review the functionality of said "impressive list", how can the user import a project into one of these IDEs? Some reviews in the slideshow you linked mention exporting but not importing. Must all projects originate on the device? Or does the editor run locally and the testing run remotely, such as through SSH, X11, VNC, or RDP? If so, my use thereof would require an expensive mobile broadband subscription because city buses don't have Wi-Fi. The description of Kodiak PHP on page 3 of 12 of the slideshow bears this out:

Note that if you want to use a database (typically MySQL), it will be on an external server, not your iPad; you will need connectivity.

Likewise, the description of Textastic on page 5 of 12 allows offline testing only for a small fraction of the supported languages:

Textastic is a Textmate-compatible text, code, and markup language editor for the iPad with syntax highlighting for more than 80 programming and markup languages. [...] It can do local and remote Web preview for HTML and Markdown files, but it can't run any other kind of code internally.

Nearly half of the apps in the slideshow were ancillary tools useful to some developers, such as SSH (again, useless on the bus), UI design, and GitHub issue communication. But that's like saying Stack Exchange for iOS is a "programming app". That leaves Kodiak PHP, Codea, and Pythonista. Why do these get a free pass with respect to the rule whose current text is "nor may they download, install, or execute code, including other iOS, watchOS, Mac OS X, or tvOS apps"?

Launcher replacements

I guess Cromulent Labs' "Launcher" must be misnamed, then.

After six months of rejections under the rule whose current text is "Apps that create alternate desktop/home screen environments or simulate multi-app widget experiences will be rejected." Though it has since returned to the App Store, Apple's inconsistency in interpreting its own guidelines is likely to have a chilling effect on would-be developers of other launcher apps:

If developers don’t have explicit guidelines to go on [...], our only choice is to potentially waste huge amounts of time working on apps that ultimately get rejected in an attempt to find something that will get accepted. [...] When pressed on the issue of their policies leading to wasted developer time, I was told, "If you are afraid something you are working on will be rejected, then don’t work on it."

And it still can launch only those apps that expose a URL scheme.

WLAN utilities, such as utilities for troubleshooting your wireless network or for contributing to a collaborative map of wireless networks (Apple deems AP enumeration in iOS to be private)

My favorite is "Fing"

The screenshots on Fing's website make it look like a tool for scanning a WLAN to which you have already connected, not enumerating the SSIDs of WLANs whose beacons reach your device. The API for the former is public; the API for the latt

Less complex doesn’t necessarily mean less powerful; it can sometimes mean better designed. And having less complex, better designed software can be a good thing. For example, this guy was more productive with the comparatively simple Garageband on iPad than with the complex pro software on Mac, and this guy has replaced his computer with an iPad for work.

The way I see it, Apple and Google are going at it the right way by gradually adapting their touch-based OS to more powerful devices. That way, developers can make their mobile apps more complex without losing sight that they are targeting a device with a touch screen and running on a battery. On the other hand, Microsoft is still trying to cram a full PC in a tablet form factor, despite 13 years of failing. Since Windows tablets are an insignificant part of the whole Windows ecosystem, developers have no incentive to adapt their software to the form factor of the Surface.

Does trying to program on a tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard have the same effect? I ask because some people are trying to use a tablet as a main computer.

Anyone that has EVERY put anything out with Apple -- Apps, Books, Music, Movies -- knows that Apple sends an email several weeks in advanced telling that they are going into a freeze for a week or two EVERY YEAR. They let their people go on vacation and spend time with the family and all that shit.

This was sent out in November: http://www.macstories.net/news...

Guess what? It takes about a week from the time Apple gets a movie until they post it. They do a QA check on it, and make certain the ratings are correct and ask that the folks on the other side to verify the same. The quickest this happens is about a week. And now Sony wants Apple to order their employees back in from their vacation, all the while not putting this up on either of their two services.

I know /. hates Apple these days (I was around when /. loved them) but damn...

There was one other important aspect to the agency model that Apple established with the publishers — it included a most-favored-nation (MFN) clause. An MFN provision will frequently appear in contracts between wholesalers and retailers and it ensures that the wholesaler will provide the retailer with the best wholesale price. But Apple adopted it in the agency model to require that the publishers adjust e-book prices in the iBookstore to match the lowest price offered by any other retailer — regardless of whether the publisher controlled the pricing in that retailer. This meant that the iBookstore would always have the e-book at the cheapest price. It also meant that if a retailer was offering the book for a cheaper price, the publisher would have to lower the retail price to match it. If that meant the price was below what it cost to produce, the publisher would take the loss, not Apple — they would still get their 30% cut.

As I understand it after reading all of this, this is not a -normal- MFN clause at all, and it effectively coerced the publishers into requiring the Agency model for -ALL- retailers. The normal retail model becomes a kind of Poison Pill the publishers could not swallow, because a situation could arise where the publisher was forced to sell books to Apple for a loss. Consider a likely example: Amazon prices a book at 99 cents (that's probably a money-losing price but they don't care in this case). The Publisher is FORCED to make this the Retail Price in the Apple Store, and no they don't get to keep the 'wholesale' price higher. Apple sells you the book for 99 cents, keeps 30 cents and sends the publisher 69 cents. If this is less than the book cost to produce, the publisher is screwed. The only way to prevent this is for the publisher to push all its retailers to the Agency Model.

You're not getting it at all. Apple is accused of convincing the publishers to not ALLOW Amazon to sell the book to YOU for a lower price, not SELL the book to Amazon for a lower price. Amazon wanted the flexibility to lower the -retail- price to their customers, even if it meant eating into Amazon's own margins. Amazon could even sell the book for LESS than what the publisher charged and eat the loss, in order to gain market share. Retailers do this all the time (look up Loss Leaders). The accusation is that Apple and the Publishers 'conspired' to rob Amazon of this option. The publishers literally -set- the -retail- price Amazon was required to sell the book at (still leaving Amazon a profit I assume), but not giving Amazon any pricing flexibility.

Who do you think decides how much a can of Campbell's Soup costs at your local supermarket? NOT Campbell's. Each supermarket makes best wholesale deal with Campbell's it can for soup, but then decides for ITSELF what today's price on the shelves will be. Different supermarkets set their prices (and therefore their margins) based on what they think will earn them the most profit over all. This is normal commercial practice. The 'agency model' subverts that kind of competition.

http://www.macstories.net/stories/understanding-the-agency-model-and-the-dojs-allegations-against-apple-and-those-publishers/

Probably because from Apple's perspective, all Apple did was let the publishers set their own book prices. That's basically what this case is about.

No, continue your reading and research. This is FAR from all the case is about. Apple entered into a collusion with the publishers (who have all ran for the exits) to fix the price of e-books across the entire industry, and to trash the first sale doctrine in the process by forcing every reseller to be the Agent of the publisher.

There is no way this could have been accomplished previously. Apple did this to raise margins because they wanted and demanded 30% on everything sold thru the iTunes store, but there was not 30% to be had with Amazon working on much slimmer margins. The only way this could be pulled off was for all publishers to simultaneously force all resellers to Agency terms. That required one big (new) reseller with nothing to lose, to agree to it, so that the publishers could preserve the e-book market, and force the smaller resellers to toe the line.

And while we like to blame Cook, it was really Jobs who formed this conspiracy.

But the way this lawsuit works the last to agree holds the largest bag. And Apple was too proud to admit its part in this collusion, and as a result they are going to pay up big. Very Big.

...but don't let it put you off. http://www.macstories.net/stories/understanding-the-agency-model-and-the-dojs-allegations-against-apple-and-those-publishers/ It basically explains the two things "agency Model" and The most favourite nation clause (which is what you talk about).

This article has a nice graphic: http://www.macrumors.com/2013/03/21/apple-blames-high-australian-markups-for-digital-content-on-media-rights-holders/

"Earlier today, MacStories noted that markups in Australia average as much as 61.4% for music, 33.5% for movies and 25.9% for TV shows when a subset of content offerings is compared to prices in the United States once Australia's Goods and Services Tax (GST) has been accounted for. Markups for Apple's hardware products are more reasonable, with Mac, iPad and iPod prices in Australia generally falling within 10% of U.S. prices. The iPhone line, however, can go as high as a 16% markup for the iPhone 5 and 4S, while the iPhone 4 is actually slightly cheaper in Australia than it is in the United States."

Even more detail at http://www.macstories.net/stories/quantifying-the-australian-apple-tax/

what are 'reasonable' prices?

Perhaps prices that other similarly developed countries pay?... http://www.macstories.net/stories/the-great-disparity-in-global-itunes-prices/

I don't know, when the Wii U controller was announced stuff like this http://www.macstories.net/news/ipad-games-on-apple-tv-firemint-announces-real-racing-2-hd-with-ios-5-airplay-mirroring/ had already landed.

If you already own a tablet that can stream to your TV why purchase a dedicated console with a limited tablet LIKE controller?

It seems like the big vulneraibilites in mobile platforms these days involve apps doing things they shouldn't. Android is, for the most part, way ahead of Apple in terms of technical mitigations. Android sandboxes apps with explicit permission grants. Apple just vets them, incompletely. iOS also seems vulnerable to odd things, like this. Apparently executing unsigned code on iOS, if you can pull it off, sidesteps part of the sandbox. Android is based on the assumption that any app can execute unsigned code and it still tries to be secure.

Oh but they ARE fixing iTunes.

Haven't you heard? They're adding facebook integration and making iTunes lean toward getting people to use the iCloud.
http://dvice.com/archives/2012/06/itunes-will-get.php

And, in case you missed the memo, iCloud is that platform that desktop apps can only access if they are sold from the Mac App Store.
http://www.macstories.net/stories/the-state-of-icloud-enabled-apps/

Of course, it's all for the benefit of the end-user.

Same thing with killing off Flash. It's not that they thought Flash was a piece of garbage - which in many ways it was - but that they would much rather people develop native apps.
Kill Flash, and what cross-platform alternatives are there? HTML5? Ah, yes... HTML5. Because that's looking like it's such a winner right now (and by 'right now' I mean for many months previous and many more months to come).
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/11/08/16/0248232/hard-truths-about-html5
http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/06/22/186249/the-death-of-an-html5-game-breeds-an-open-source-project
http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/06/28/1719233/facebook-ios-app-ditching-html5-for-objectivec

While JAVA is perfectly capable, it, too, is not supported on the iDevices.

And, again, users aren't exactly complaining. It's not their problem if a developer has to put in extra work to support multiple platforms just because they can't fully rely on cross-platform app development, but it is their problem if an HTML5 application fails to work because the browser doesn't support what's in the specs yet. It is their problem if their favorite game's sound is laggy, won't play more than a few sounds simultaneously, etc. because the browser->sound system wasn't built for it. It is their problem when they try to use a JAVA-based navigation app only to realize that on the platform chosen, JAVA can't access the system's GPS because the manufacturer believes that's far too dangerous a piece of information to be left in the hands of JAVA developers.

tl;dr: Flash's death would have been better if HTML5 were a more realistic competitor.

Each new edition is a new discrete app. The framing app, the Apple Newsstand outer layer, operates more like a folder, and the frames for the individual publications are alse like a folder. But the new editions are indeed discrete applications themselves.

As I said, you are mistaken. I'm a paid-up registered developer and I have access to the documentation. Obviously I can't link you to that, but this article gives a broad outline.

http://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-5-newsstand-overview/

As I said, each title is an app. That app gets notified when there is a new issue. And that app downloads the content for that issue. Your concept of one app per issue is just plain wrong. That's not how Newstand works.

Now if you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them. In particular whatever the thing is that's given you the wrong impression about how they work. Feel free to ask me about that.

pdf is ideal. This is the model most publishers have already embraced prior to Apple's Newsstand being released. The reason is pretty obvious: no extra work for publishers. They are already generating pdf's in order to print their publication.

And the flaw in that argument is that of course it publishers prefer PDF then they can make the content a PDF and have their app use a PDF view. They already have complete flexibility to do it however they want, because the content is displayed by their own app. Maybe some publishers ARE using PDF for that. But it doesn't look like any of the important ones are. They want more versatility in UI than PDF can give. They don't prefer PDF at all.

Oh, believe me, I know that Congress and the Senate voted for these fucking loopholes, but that's not a valid excuse for this crap. You don't think that Steve Jobs knew that he was paying an effective tax rate well below the entry-level guys he had working 70 hour weeks? This is a guy that parked in handicapped spaces looooooong before he actually got sick we're talking about here. He rationalized it as "Horray for me, fuck everyone else", and that's a trait you see a lot among these 'Master of the Universe' types. People all over the world metaphorically polish his knob every time the subject of Apple comes up, but rarely do people talk about what an unbelievable prick he was, and I don't just mean the way he treated his employees, he treated everyone that way.

Yes, congress passed laws allowing these companies to do this shit. Congress didn't make them move their "offices" to tax havens all over the world. They didn't make them send all that money to banks in the Caribbean to hide it from the IRS. Nobody forced them to be leeches, sucking in subsidies while raking in billions. Apple's sucking up $30 million in Texan taxpayer dollars despite the fact that they are literally the most valuable corporation in the fucking world. They've got $10 Billion (with a b) in cash in the bank, and they still need Texans to cough up a little extra to build that fucking plant? Come the hell on. That's the extortion bullshit I'm talking about. They're taking $30 million from who knows how many social programs, schools, infrastructure...and in exchange we get what? The privilege of working for them so they can earn more money off of our labors?

I mean, an unemployed mother looking for food stamps, she's a fucking leech on society, but the most valuable corporation on earth gleefully taking huge transfers of wealth from public coffers into their private accounts is what? A goddamn pillar of the community? A company to admire? Please. They're the real leeches. Let these mother fuckers move their corporate offices to fucking China, or better yet, let them take their shit and go to Africa, far from these pesky taxes and everything else. I don't really much give a shit, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit here and subsidize their goddamn profit margin while half the houses in my neighborhood are sitting fucking vacant because the families that lived in them lost their jobs and then lost their homes, and then, when they hit the lowest point and have to go get some sort of assistance to make sure their kids eat decent food, get called "parasites". Fuck that shit. You want to see the real parasites, go fucking read Forbes.

Well, you can always do an out-of-band payment method, or simply use the honour system

I was under the impression that app stores banned applications from doing this.

android and not ios is heading towards the largest marketshare in the world (see india custom tablet for example).

Nah, it just isn't, in fact when apple releases a device it always clobbers android sales.

Windows has been on a gigantic decline

200 million iOS devices sold since 2007, 200 million android devices activated since the project began, even if you went to the ridiculous point of doubling that for devices that for whatever reason aren't activated through google and you still fall short of the approximately 650 million Windows 7 licenses sold since late 2009, a much shorter timespan than the lives of iOS and Android.

but has pushed hard to not have studies that mix mobile and desktop OS marketshare as windows is heading towards irrelevant whereas ios will remain relevant.

Nope and the reason why is that most people aren't replacing PCs with tablets and smartphones, they are augmenting PCs with tablets and smartphones. Otherwise we would see a marked decline in Windows sales - corresponding to a rise in mobile device sales - which quite simply is not happening.

but the adjustments don't follow a clear pattern from 6 to 7 NOK for cheapest apps, from 8 to 9 NOK for itunes songs, Apples own keynote, pages and numbers are up from 109 to 112(iPad) TomTom Europe is up 53% (!) to 840 NOK http://www.macstories.net/news/itunes-connect-maintenance-could-mean-apple-is-eventually-recalibrating-international-itunes-prices/ explains the previousprice differences

It works on Windows and Mac, which for non-mobile apps is all anyone in the real world cares about. I'm not saying thats right or fair, but the world in general, isn't.

A couple of years ago, that would have been fine. Now, not so much. Although the desktop experience will be with us for a long time, a lot of growth will be in the other form factors like cell phones and tablets. Presumably, Silverlight will run on iOS but I, for one, will wait to see if this actually ever happens.

Its only/main real use will be DisplayPort.

Wow, for a "geek" site, Slashdot seems inordinately populated with techno-IDIOTS, who don't bother to KEEP UP on IN THE PIPELINE THUNDERBOLT PRODUCTS. And there is beginning to be interest shown by other companies, like Canon, AJA, Apogee, Sonnet, and others.

To a developer for many platforms, every statement of yours shows fanboi bias.

Frankly, I should've stopped reading here. Step back and accept there are people with opinions that are different from yours to paint them all with a broad brush and call them "fanbois" is lazy. It shows a willingness to disregard the opinion of others based on stereotype. OK got that out of my system, lets continue.

Oh, yeah, they put thought into it! Gee, why didn't anybody else think of that!

Some people (many of them) are code wizards but can't do design, you see this all over the open source world as well. A lot of the "boutique" developers that came over from the mac side put a lot of thought into the user facing design and it sets a higher standard. Tapbots are a good example of this. You want to put out a cheap Twitter app, then you've got to have a well thought out and attractive user interface because that's the kind of competition you are up against.

On the OS level this is true as well. Apple is a company that hires UI designers, puts out Human Interface Guideline documents and actually follows and enforces them. Google is the kind of company that when it has to pick a shade of blue runs a test testing 41 different shades, the last great UI design they put out was the original starkly minimalist Google Search and they've been messing it up ever since. I'm exaggerating somewhat here but there is a culture difference between a company where the engineers call all the shots and one where the designers have a say and it shows in the products.

I can't imagine favoring a touch screen keyboard over even a 10 year old Psion. Instead of using half the screen for a keyboard, having a real keyboard and a shorter screen is orders of magnitude better for more serious tasks.

Stop everything ! Aighearach can't imagine it. Pack up your stuff we must've been wrong :-)
You're confusing opinion with fact again.

And for niche business users that really do need something like a tablet to carry around, the walled garden isn't what you want at all. You want to be able to install your own proprietary updates, and have full system control.

There exists iOS Enterprise Developer Program, used to distribute in-house apps. No walled garden. People are doing all sorts cool stuff, like the iPhone heart monitor.

Conclusion: iPod and iPhone are here to stay, iPad is a fad that will make a lot of money but not influence computing in the future.

I disagree. I think the iPad(-alikes) will become ubiquitous. It will be used for small tasks so you won't need to be hidden away behind a bulky computer but can integrate it better into your day-to-day activities. For some, the barely tech literate who just do email, IM, facebook and webcam chat; it will probably become their preferred way of accessing the internet. as always IMHO, YMMV, etc, etc.

Wow there is a lot to respond to.

1Mac is not their least profitable part. Here is a slightly out of data graph of how their revenue breaks out:
http://www.macstories.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/share-of-profit-graph.png
In terms of the latest quarter:
Apple sold 4.13 million Macs during the quarter, a 23 percent unit increase over the year-ago quarter. The Company sold 16.24 million iPhones in the quarter, representing 86 percent unit growth over the year-ago quarter. Apple sold 19.45 million iPods during the quarter, representing a seven percent unit decline from the year-ago quarter. The Company also sold 7.33 million iPads during the quarter.

As far as BSD goes. OSX (Darwin) isn't something that uses BSD software, it is a BSD. Apple doesn't directly work with the FreeBSD team for the same reason that OpenBSD. The FreeBSD relationship to Apple is more like Debian to Redhat. And you don't see RedHat funding Debian packages or visa versa. They don't work with BSD community they are an integral part of it. (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Unix_history-simple.png ) They way they've support the BSD community has been by spending huge sums on building a BSD based system.

As far as the architecture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Diagram_of_Mac_OS_X_architecture.svg ) everything in Darwin is open source. And then there are a huge number of technologies like Webkit.

How committed is the open-source community to Apple? Not very.

What are you basing this on? On most projects the majority of developers run OSX as their personal system. OSX is becoming the home platform for most Unix desktop applications not tied tightly to Linux (including KDE/Gnome) and creating a Macport (and often a native Aqua port) is a high priority. Just to give an example of a community I'm in GHC the mac version of the Haskell platform is key version. The Linux and Windows versions lag. For TeX, Mac is pretty much the home platform.

I guess could you be more specific? What do you think the Open Source community isn't doing for Apple that it says does for Microsoft which has 6x the market share?

You can't yet due to the current release of Apple's Java being up to date. However, this announcement from November says that Java SE 7 for Mac OS X will come from Oracle, building largely on Apple's codebase from the existing implementation.

Google is hard.

FaceTime is also built-in into all the new iPhones and iPod touches, will be in the next iPad and there's also a beta version for Mac OS X, not to mention rumors of FaceTime for Windows. Is the userbase of FaceTime already bigger than Skype?

No?

In what world is this even remotely possible?

From this source we can see that:

Skype added 39 million registered users in the fourth quarter to end the year with a total of 560 million.

36 percent of Skype-to-Skype calls as of the end of the fourth quarter included video

At peak times, 23 million users are logged into Skype (as of March 2010).

Only 47 million iPhones and eight or so million iPads were sold in 2010.

So you could make a claim that iStuff was growing faster than Skype, you would have no basis for claiming that it was already a larger userbase.

Remember, these are SKYPE USERS compared to iSTUFF OWNERS. Those owners may or may not even be aware FaceTime is on their device.

[citation needed]

Here you go.

Of course, the paranoid in their tinfoil hats will read that and say "STEVE LIED." He's not that fucking stupid - the linked email exchange was from April of this year - 6 months ago. They obviously had the app store in the works back then, and he has a history of responding to large "loaded" questions with a very terse redirection.

The rumor communicated in the email linked above states:
1) A Mac App Store is coming;
2) Only apple-approved software will run on OS X;

Then asks, "is that true?" The answer: "Nope."

Now, given that 6 months ago, Steve Jobs couldn't have NOT known about an App Store being built... we can only conclude that he's either:

1) Lying, and lying on the record, with no care for whether or not people feel that he's betrayed them;
2) The second part of the rumor ('only apple-approved software will run...') is not true, making the rumor taken as a whole false.

How tight your tinfoil hat is will determine which explanation you think is most likely.

Everyone is up-in-arms over the bizarre prediction by some third-party developers that Apple will move to an app-store model on OSX (and all the haters pre-condemn them for this "fact" despite Jobs refuting it), and then it's Microsoft that comes out and proposes to do it.

Adding a central repository of applications is no more "The App Store Model" than Ubuntu's central repository of applications. It's only "The App Store Model" if that becomes the ONLY way of putting applications on your device.

Everyone is up-in-arms over the bizarre prediction by some third-party developers that Apple will move to an app-store model on OSX (and all the haters pre-condemn them for this "fact" despite Jobs refuting it), and then it's Microsoft that comes out and proposes to do it.

Question: Since Apple was labelled "the new Microsoft" due to its supposed policies, does this make Microsoft - um - the new Microsoft, again ? [grin]

Simon

There's no indication of something like that happening anytime soon. Not sure? Then ask Steve Jobs:
He actually said there won't be any Mac App Store, and that the rumors about the Mac dying are "completely wrong". Furthermore, rumors about the iPhone 4 cutting into Mac OS X development are false.

http://www.macstories.net/news/steve-jobs-no-mac-app-store/