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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Tradition
There was nothing wrong with TNG the television show, particularly after it found its footing and stopped trying to emulate its predecessor. The movies on the other hand.... First Contact and Nemesis were just dumbed down dark action movies. Generations ranks was one of the most insulting movies ever made. Ironically, Insurrection, which was generally panned, was the closest they got to capturing the feel of the television show. Of course, even that one collapsed under the weight of its plot contrivances and couldn't resist the temptation to dip into action movie cliches. Here's a hint Rick Berman: Jean-Luc Picard != John McClane.
Random list of TNG episodes that were way better than any the movies: The Most Toys, Who Watches the Watchers, The Survivors, The Defector, The Measure of a Man, The Wounded, First Contact (the episode, not the movie), The Drumhead, Power Play, and Sarek. That's without going to the crown jewels of TNG, imagine Yesterday's Enterprise or The Best of Both Worlds if produced with a feature film budget. Actually, perhaps it's better that we don't, because they probably would have found a way to fuck them up.
Everything that came after All Good Things was just a bad nightmare.
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Re:Faulty switch at GM
I'm not saying that there wasn't scapegoating but from the article the facts are that this one engineer originally designed the switch. So there might be some ego and embarrassment about a part he designed was faulty. It would explain why he would change the design and not let others know. A Star Trek analogy would be Lewis Zimmerman and his embarassment that his EMH Mark I holograms were widely rejected and relegated to menial tasks especially since he used his own image as their template.
There is also a possible explanation that not changing the part number would also keep the costs down as change orders/revisions/new part orders cost money. On paper, GM didn't order a new part from Delphi. But that's my speculation.
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Re:Could the soul survive?
That question depends on what the soul really is. Right now we have no idea. We deduce that it's a meta-component of us, of our organic robot bodies, but we don't know what it is, where it is, how to measure it if we ever stumble upon it. We're no even sure our bodies would be anything more than meat vegetables should our soul be separated from our bodies. Is consciousness our soul? Is it a derived property from us having a soul?
Now, on the bright side, if we do ever teleport living things, this question that bothered people since they discovered thought, we may get closer to finding an answer. If everything we teleport ends up dead even though we know with 100% certainty that we teleported every particle and its state from A to B, with no misalignment, no alteration, no extra or missing electrons or atoms, then it might be clear: the soul got detached. If the result does bark the same as the source did, then the soul is either linked to some sort of hash (in which case one should really try to make two identical copies and see what happens), or the question will remain unanswered (if no matter how many clones you make, they will start identical and then diverge as independent individuals). Cloning could still unlink the original soul and link new ones into each clone. Would anybody, including the clones, even perceive anything like that?
Maybe one should clone Guinan, because she was the only one to feel something different when the Enterprise C decided to make an unannounced visit. Maybe the sole is just the pilot, and its only perception is through memories and sensors. Like a CPU, if you put it to sleep and change the memory banks underneath it with ones that contain completely different information, one might not realise that this has happened when awaken again.
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Re:CC-BY-NC are excluded
However, the "Commercial Use Waiver" still allows Wikia any form of commercial use for any derivative work.
There was in the Forum a proposal to change the wording and "make it clear that the scope and purpose of the waiver is for the placement of ads", however that clarification never arrived to the LIcensing page. What happened to those good intentions?
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obligatory Star Trek
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Game
Google Glass is an alien conspiracy.
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Re:As Spotify's DBA..
You just have to mention "little Bobby Tables"
Shaka, when the walls fell.
For those who don't get it: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wik...
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you have mildy inconvenienced me, prepare to die!
"Microsoft Tech Support" scams
If they could just drop a few hellfire missiles on those goddamn Pakled feebs, I'd be willing to give them a little bit more slack on the leash.
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Re:It is God.
Wouldn't that have been with disruptor cannons?
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Why stop there?
Next on the agenda, we clone Jem'Hadar and become galactic overlords.
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Re:Beema and Mullins
Not to be a Tamarian grammer nazi but it's "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"
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Re:Were you inspired by XKCD?
How did you first hear about the ISEE-3 story?
Or by Star Trek?
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Re:But is it a class M planet?
It appears you missed a (silly) reference there: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wik...
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If only PRESS events yielded bloody diomonds.
This is the only game I really care about right now: Planetary Annihilation.
There are others, but really, nothing else matters to me besides my own experiments. I really tried to care about some 1st world problems concerning about who got what tablet that will be burning in a waste pile in Ghana in two years, but I just really couldn't bring myself to do so. I mean, don't get me wrong. I can love me some games, but I just can't give a flying fuck about who got what data on which Starfleet PADD.
Know what I do care about on games.slashdot.org? Actual games. It's in the subdomain, damnit. This isn't reviews.accountability.tard, we all know journalistic integrity in game reviews does not exist (seriously, if you don't give them at least a 7 (or 6 at the worst) then you don't get a review copy of the next game and everyone else scoops you). SO FUCKING WHAT. I don't go to theaters based on movie reviews. I don't go to museums based on art critics reviews. I don't play games based on advertising either. What's the big deal?
I suppose next you'll be whining about how the mainstream news is just a bunch of filtered statist propaganda messages? No, that's decades old not news, you dorks. We know the slant is there. The real news would be if there were some form of actual integrity springing up in game journalism.
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Re:Not the first time this has happened
Torez and Kim trade holodeck time. I don't have the DVDs available, but it's stuff that's casually mentioned in downtime while they're doing engineering type tasks. It's not anything that is plot critical, so it rarely shows up in synopses (which I'm guessing is the only way you've "watched" Voyager if you aren't aware of the the fact that there are two crews on a starship with only two holodecks (unless you count sickbay, which I don't).
As for citing:
HOLODECK SCARCITY:
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag...
"KIM: Doc, how about a trade? I'm willing to throw in some holodeck time. Come on! It would mean a lot to my mother."
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag...
NEELIX: Now watch carefully. I place the tera nut under the cup. Then I shuffle them. Round and round they go. Keep your eye on the nut, but be careful, the hand is faster than the eye. Now, for three hours of Holodeck time, can you tell me where is the tera nut?
REPLICATOR RATIONING:
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wik...
https://www.google.com/search?...
The Voyager Transcripts - Meld
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag...
PARIS: Why don't we make it interesting this time. Let's add some table stakes. KIM: What kind of stakes? PARIS: I don't know. Hmm. Couple of replicator rations, ...
The Voyager Transcripts - Parturition
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag... ... So I ate Neelix's food for a week and used my replicator rations. PARIS: Play something for me. KIM: Well, I've only had ...
The Voyager Transcripts - Warhead
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag... ... PARIS: I'll pay you back double with next month's replicator rations. NEELIX: That's what you said when I let you ...
The Voyager Transcripts - Twisted
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag... ... It must have cost you a week's worth of replicator rations. PARIS: Two weeks actually, but who's counting? I'm just glad ...
The Voyager Transcripts - Equinox
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag... ... NAOMI: If you need anything, replicator rations, a tour of the lower decks, I'm your man. GILMORE: Thank you, Miss ...
The Voyager Transcripts - Real Life
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag...
Apr 23, 1997 - ... CHAKOTAY: If we could harness some of that energy, we could go off replicator rations for a while.
The Voyager Transcripts - Scorpion
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag... ... I'm working on a plan to extend our food and replicator rations. JANEWAY: We have to act fast. The Borg have captured ...
The Voyager Transcripts - The Chute
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag...
Sep 18, 1996 - ... So, what do you say we blow a week's worth of replicator rations? KIM: So what's for dessert?
The Voyager Transcripts - The Cloud
http://www.chakoteya.net/voyag...
Feb 13, 1995 - ... I'll use one of my replicator rations for coffee. NEELIX: That would not be appropriate, Captain.
The Voyager Transcripts - Before And After
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Re:Level of public funding ?
I'd bet it was along the lines of the velcro paradox. Velcro.
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Re:Not the first time this has happened
I just read through the synopsis of the "Hollow Pursuits" episode, at http://en.memory-alpha.org/wik...
There is no mention of rationing holodeck time or the scarce resources of the holodeck or Barclay trading favors. The holodeck is not considered a scarce resource.
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Re:Mulgrew is an airhead
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Re:Mulgrew is an airhead
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Red Matter link
sorry messed up the link in my post
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wik...
if you don't know what it is in reference to Trek count yourself lucky
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So this is the beggining of...
Star Trek's Bio-neural gel pack?
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Re:We are the geeks, we are not tools for non-geekI always thought rule #1 was:
Once you have their money, you never give it back.
You might be thinking of rule #17:
A contract is a contract is a contract
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Re:Worst: when they use magic
How many ST plot lines would disintegrate with this ability? Need physicists? Just put the best man you have into the transporter and we will make 100 more just like him! They even come out with all the education and experience he has collected.
No good. Half the physicists will be good and the other half evil. Didn't you see The Enemy Within?
I'm glad they didn't rehash the hackneyed "evil twin" trope with Riker. They'd already gone that route with Data and Lore. "Second Chances" reminded me more of the Red Dwarf episode "Me2" where Rimmer can't get along with a copy of himself.
I could see how the transporter might accidentally make a copy of a Kirk, but the idea that it would split him into two nearly-identical Jekyll and Hyde people - and then somehow re-integrate them - was just stupid.
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Re:Worst: when they use magic
The real question is: would continuity of consciousness be preserved if your body were taken apart and reassembled elsewhere? Since we don't truly know what consciousness is, we can't answer that question yet. My feeling is that it's an empirical question; nobody will know for sure until it's possible to test it by experiment.
That's where TNG Second Chances" comes into play, where two Rikers existed at the same time. If consciousness was preserved for one of them, there is no way to tell which one it is. But one thing is clear, it cannot have happened for both. They both functioned independently and didn't share a single consciousness. This episode is canon and they choose to go down this way.
If I was one of those lazy writers I would at least have explained it by involvement of time travel and say that one of the Rikers is simply from another time frame. Yeah, good old time travel, another good method to to sweep something under the carpet.
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In Defense of Wesley Crusher
First Duty was a good episode, perhaps even a great one, easily in TNG's Top 20. Final Mission was good too. There were also some perfectly watchable Wesley episodes, like The Game, and the evolution of his character in Journey's End hinted at bigger things to come.
In fact, all of the bad Wesley episodes were in the first two seasons, which with few exceptions (Q Who, Measure of a Man) were filled with all sorts of suckitude that usually had nothing to do with Wil Wheaton or Wesley Crusher.
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In Defense of Wesley Crusher
First Duty was a good episode, perhaps even a great one, easily in TNG's Top 20. Final Mission was good too. There were also some perfectly watchable Wesley episodes, like The Game, and the evolution of his character in Journey's End hinted at bigger things to come.
In fact, all of the bad Wesley episodes were in the first two seasons, which with few exceptions (Q Who, Measure of a Man) were filled with all sorts of suckitude that usually had nothing to do with Wil Wheaton or Wesley Crusher.
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In Defense of Wesley Crusher
First Duty was a good episode, perhaps even a great one, easily in TNG's Top 20. Final Mission was good too. There were also some perfectly watchable Wesley episodes, like The Game, and the evolution of his character in Journey's End hinted at bigger things to come.
In fact, all of the bad Wesley episodes were in the first two seasons, which with few exceptions (Q Who, Measure of a Man) were filled with all sorts of suckitude that usually had nothing to do with Wil Wheaton or Wesley Crusher.
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In Defense of Wesley Crusher
First Duty was a good episode, perhaps even a great one, easily in TNG's Top 20. Final Mission was good too. There were also some perfectly watchable Wesley episodes, like The Game, and the evolution of his character in Journey's End hinted at bigger things to come.
In fact, all of the bad Wesley episodes were in the first two seasons, which with few exceptions (Q Who, Measure of a Man) were filled with all sorts of suckitude that usually had nothing to do with Wil Wheaton or Wesley Crusher.
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In Defense of Wesley Crusher
First Duty was a good episode, perhaps even a great one, easily in TNG's Top 20. Final Mission was good too. There were also some perfectly watchable Wesley episodes, like The Game, and the evolution of his character in Journey's End hinted at bigger things to come.
In fact, all of the bad Wesley episodes were in the first two seasons, which with few exceptions (Q Who, Measure of a Man) were filled with all sorts of suckitude that usually had nothing to do with Wil Wheaton or Wesley Crusher.
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In Defense of Wesley Crusher
First Duty was a good episode, perhaps even a great one, easily in TNG's Top 20. Final Mission was good too. There were also some perfectly watchable Wesley episodes, like The Game, and the evolution of his character in Journey's End hinted at bigger things to come.
In fact, all of the bad Wesley episodes were in the first two seasons, which with few exceptions (Q Who, Measure of a Man) were filled with all sorts of suckitude that usually had nothing to do with Wil Wheaton or Wesley Crusher.
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Re:Can I vote for..
The episode you reference is http://en.memory-alpha.org/wik.... It was already mentioned above as one of the best.
Honestly, while I agree, I'd like to see more comments on the ones that *aren't* in the top 3 or so, because *everybody* metnions those. It's a big echo chamber.
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Re:Whole classes of bad episodes
It might be hard to say whether this counts as "focused on" Data, since it's *about* him without actually making his character a central aspect, but The Measure of a Man was *excellent* both as speculative fiction in general and as a chance to give some Star Trek actors a chance to show their stuff.
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Re:Another nerd's opinion
> Meh: Anything focusing on Worf.
Best Worf episode: Redemption Part II is also a good Data story, when he gets command of the Sutherland and has to smack-down his first officer.
> Worst: Anything focusing on Troi, Wesley, Riker, or the Holodeck. So most of the rest of the entire show.
Best Troi episode: Thine Own Self
Best Wesley episode: The First Duty
Best Riker episode: First Contact
Best holodeck episode: Ship in a BottleI'll agree on all counts, with commentary.
Redemption - Agreed, especially the part where Data gets to demonstrate his command abilities. I just could never get too into how they tried to shoehorn mysticism and honor into the Klingons, who otherwise continue to fulfill their TOS-given role as space thugs.
Thine Own Self - I remembered this as a Data episode, until I followed your link and remembered that it was where Troi had to learn how to make command decisions. Fully agreed, mostly because it involves Troi not being an empathic plot devices and actually growing as a person.
First Contact - Triple agreed, because Riker spends most of the episode either unconscious or trying to save his own skin. No bullshit "ladies man" crap, no Ambo-Jitsu. Riker is basically not Riker for this episode.
The First Duty - Wesley doesn't save the day through "I'm Gene Roddenberry's self-named Mary Sue" plot magic, and has to grow as a person instead. Easily the best Wesley episode, but that isn't saying much.
Ship In a Bottle - Agreed. This was at least fun as far as I remember, without any of the cringeworthy stuff that makes me hate most episodes I can remember.
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Re:Another nerd's opinion
> Meh: Anything focusing on Worf.
Best Worf episode: Redemption Part II is also a good Data story, when he gets command of the Sutherland and has to smack-down his first officer.
> Worst: Anything focusing on Troi, Wesley, Riker, or the Holodeck. So most of the rest of the entire show.
Best Troi episode: Thine Own Self
Best Wesley episode: The First Duty
Best Riker episode: First Contact
Best holodeck episode: Ship in a BottleI'll agree on all counts, with commentary.
Redemption - Agreed, especially the part where Data gets to demonstrate his command abilities. I just could never get too into how they tried to shoehorn mysticism and honor into the Klingons, who otherwise continue to fulfill their TOS-given role as space thugs.
Thine Own Self - I remembered this as a Data episode, until I followed your link and remembered that it was where Troi had to learn how to make command decisions. Fully agreed, mostly because it involves Troi not being an empathic plot devices and actually growing as a person.
First Contact - Triple agreed, because Riker spends most of the episode either unconscious or trying to save his own skin. No bullshit "ladies man" crap, no Ambo-Jitsu. Riker is basically not Riker for this episode.
The First Duty - Wesley doesn't save the day through "I'm Gene Roddenberry's self-named Mary Sue" plot magic, and has to grow as a person instead. Easily the best Wesley episode, but that isn't saying much.
Ship In a Bottle - Agreed. This was at least fun as far as I remember, without any of the cringeworthy stuff that makes me hate most episodes I can remember.
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Re:Another nerd's opinion
> Meh: Anything focusing on Worf.
Best Worf episode: Redemption Part II is also a good Data story, when he gets command of the Sutherland and has to smack-down his first officer.
> Worst: Anything focusing on Troi, Wesley, Riker, or the Holodeck. So most of the rest of the entire show.
Best Troi episode: Thine Own Self
Best Wesley episode: The First Duty
Best Riker episode: First Contact
Best holodeck episode: Ship in a BottleI'll agree on all counts, with commentary.
Redemption - Agreed, especially the part where Data gets to demonstrate his command abilities. I just could never get too into how they tried to shoehorn mysticism and honor into the Klingons, who otherwise continue to fulfill their TOS-given role as space thugs.
Thine Own Self - I remembered this as a Data episode, until I followed your link and remembered that it was where Troi had to learn how to make command decisions. Fully agreed, mostly because it involves Troi not being an empathic plot devices and actually growing as a person.
First Contact - Triple agreed, because Riker spends most of the episode either unconscious or trying to save his own skin. No bullshit "ladies man" crap, no Ambo-Jitsu. Riker is basically not Riker for this episode.
The First Duty - Wesley doesn't save the day through "I'm Gene Roddenberry's self-named Mary Sue" plot magic, and has to grow as a person instead. Easily the best Wesley episode, but that isn't saying much.
Ship In a Bottle - Agreed. This was at least fun as far as I remember, without any of the cringeworthy stuff that makes me hate most episodes I can remember.
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Re:Another nerd's opinion
> Meh: Anything focusing on Worf.
Best Worf episode: Redemption Part II is also a good Data story, when he gets command of the Sutherland and has to smack-down his first officer.
> Worst: Anything focusing on Troi, Wesley, Riker, or the Holodeck. So most of the rest of the entire show.
Best Troi episode: Thine Own Self
Best Wesley episode: The First Duty
Best Riker episode: First Contact
Best holodeck episode: Ship in a BottleI'll agree on all counts, with commentary.
Redemption - Agreed, especially the part where Data gets to demonstrate his command abilities. I just could never get too into how they tried to shoehorn mysticism and honor into the Klingons, who otherwise continue to fulfill their TOS-given role as space thugs.
Thine Own Self - I remembered this as a Data episode, until I followed your link and remembered that it was where Troi had to learn how to make command decisions. Fully agreed, mostly because it involves Troi not being an empathic plot devices and actually growing as a person.
First Contact - Triple agreed, because Riker spends most of the episode either unconscious or trying to save his own skin. No bullshit "ladies man" crap, no Ambo-Jitsu. Riker is basically not Riker for this episode.
The First Duty - Wesley doesn't save the day through "I'm Gene Roddenberry's self-named Mary Sue" plot magic, and has to grow as a person instead. Easily the best Wesley episode, but that isn't saying much.
Ship In a Bottle - Agreed. This was at least fun as far as I remember, without any of the cringeworthy stuff that makes me hate most episodes I can remember.
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Re:Another nerd's opinion
> Meh: Anything focusing on Worf.
Best Worf episode: Redemption Part II is also a good Data story, when he gets command of the Sutherland and has to smack-down his first officer.
> Worst: Anything focusing on Troi, Wesley, Riker, or the Holodeck. So most of the rest of the entire show.
Best Troi episode: Thine Own Self
Best Wesley episode: The First Duty
Best Riker episode: First Contact
Best holodeck episode: Ship in a BottleI'll agree on all counts, with commentary.
Redemption - Agreed, especially the part where Data gets to demonstrate his command abilities. I just could never get too into how they tried to shoehorn mysticism and honor into the Klingons, who otherwise continue to fulfill their TOS-given role as space thugs.
Thine Own Self - I remembered this as a Data episode, until I followed your link and remembered that it was where Troi had to learn how to make command decisions. Fully agreed, mostly because it involves Troi not being an empathic plot devices and actually growing as a person.
First Contact - Triple agreed, because Riker spends most of the episode either unconscious or trying to save his own skin. No bullshit "ladies man" crap, no Ambo-Jitsu. Riker is basically not Riker for this episode.
The First Duty - Wesley doesn't save the day through "I'm Gene Roddenberry's self-named Mary Sue" plot magic, and has to grow as a person instead. Easily the best Wesley episode, but that isn't saying much.
Ship In a Bottle - Agreed. This was at least fun as far as I remember, without any of the cringeworthy stuff that makes me hate most episodes I can remember.
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Another nerd's opinion
> Meh: Anything focusing on Worf.
Best Worf episode: Redemption Part II is also a good Data story, when he gets command of the Sutherland and has to smack-down his first officer.
> Worst: Anything focusing on Troi, Wesley, Riker, or the Holodeck. So most of the rest of the entire show.
Best Troi episode: Thine Own Self
Best Wesley episode: The First Duty
Best Riker episode: First Contact
Best holodeck episode: Ship in a Bottle -
Another nerd's opinion
> Meh: Anything focusing on Worf.
Best Worf episode: Redemption Part II is also a good Data story, when he gets command of the Sutherland and has to smack-down his first officer.
> Worst: Anything focusing on Troi, Wesley, Riker, or the Holodeck. So most of the rest of the entire show.
Best Troi episode: Thine Own Self
Best Wesley episode: The First Duty
Best Riker episode: First Contact
Best holodeck episode: Ship in a Bottle