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Scientists/Actress Say They Were 'Tricked' Into Geocentric Universe Movie
EwanPalmer (2536690) writes "Three scientists and Star Trek actress Kate Mulgrew say they were duped into appearing in a controversial documentary which claims the Earth is the center of the Universe. The Principle, a film which describes itself as 'destined to become one of the most controversial films of our time', argues the long-debunked theory of geocentrism – where the earth is the center of the Universe and the Sun resolves around it – is true and Nasa has tried to cover it up. The film features the narration of actress Mulgrew, who played the part of captain Kathryn Janeway in Star Trek Voyager, as well as three prominent scientists."
Time for them to feed
Supposedly a large # of the actors in the film Innocence of Muslims were duped into appearing in the film and had their lines (sloppily) edited after the fact to be about Mohammed instead of generic desert villain.
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Where is the controversy? If someone says the earth is the center of the universe, either they are dumb, or very conceited and really mean they are the center of the universe, but don't want to offend the rest of us. Oh wait, I get it now...
in the Laimtre universe, the earth is as much the center of the unierse as any other point is.
I was on vacation last year and saw a TV documentary about Mermaids were real was on , It was silly but really never let on that it was obviously fiction, a person that was with me was saying how they thought maybe it was real and they had found mermaids were real and we all came from mermaids, so a quick google check confirmed it was a BS TV documentary. What bothered me most was that it never let on it was BS, so I could imagine some people believed this stuff, I guess it was a gag or joke, but I just do not see why they put this stuff on TV to fool people that think it must be real.
http://www.southernfriedscience.com/?p=14946
It doesn't really affect the "Best Star Trek Captain" discussions (I always answer with the *vision* the creators had for the character not how it was acted)...but Kate Mulgrew is kind of a ditz
In interviews (like in The Captains film: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... ) she was clearly just doing Trek purely as a 'gig' for a paycheck...she had no personal connection to science or space whatsoever and did not see her role as a way to educate herself or broaden her horizons to improve her acting
to her it was all just "technobabble" which angers me to no end as a person who advocates for women in science...but it's her life and career so I'm not judging her choices necessarily...i just think it's unprofessional and lazy...her performance in Orange is the New Black is equally as bad, IMHO...very perfunctory
Mulgrew read the ***narration*** of the whole film...how could she do that and not know the film as about the earth being the *actual* center of the universe?
answer is in the subject line
Thank you Dave Raggett
"The Bible" says nothing concerning Earth status as center of the Universe, one way or the other.
The idea was popularized with the "Christian" tag in the dark ages, but long before that, it was a Greek thing.
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I believe her. I fell that Kate is totally capable of being tricked into making a movie with such claims. I'm not sure that she has much of an argument though. She was paid to do something really really stupid and she did something really really stupid, and likely something that she even believed at the time until someone else explained it to her. By her argument she seems to be claiming that she shouldn't be permitted to make any films (which I completely support). If she finds out that there really isn't any "Starfleet" will she go after the Trek franchise too?
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
At one time (i.e. the Big Bang) everything was essentially in the same spot, or "the center of the universe" and expended from there. Since the universe is infinite in size, any perceived change of our position at the center of the universe since then is so tiny that it can be ignored as a rounding error. :p
the long-debunked idea of the Earth being the centre of the Solar System.
"...the long-debunked theory of geocentrism – where the Earth is the centre of the Universe and the Sun resolves around it..."
The linked clip never makes this claim.
This documentary appears to be about the modern theory of geocentrism, the idea among some creationist circles that the Solar System is somewhere near the centre of the universe - at these scales, of course, the Earth's movement around the Sun is negligible so the term "geocentrism" is reasonable.
I'm basing this partly by the appearance, in the linked clip, multiple times of a creationist (who I've met personally) who I know does not hold to the old "earth is the exact centre" view, but who has written some papers with evidence (red-shift patterns, I think - I'm not a cosmologist myself though) that the Solar System may be *near* the centre of the mass in the universe.
He is among the top scientists in cosmology. That must have taken some doing....or perhaps they were all just plain lied to.
yeah I know what you mean...but we're techies so our definition of "technobabble" is more narrow than a non-tech, even one with a good education.
to Mulgrew, anything "science-y" was "technobabble"
this is the problem, Star Trek had mixed results with scientific accuracy...in that sense it is "technobabble" because it is fictional science in a future setting they are using...however, depending on which series at which time, the quality of the science dialogue was educational
I **liked** the fictional future science of the later series...it wasn't completely believable, but they definitely had a science advisor and you could see the consistency
It was educational...in the sense that it exposed me to new ideas & motivated me to ***actually look up the real science***
one thing Trekkies overlook is that today its mostly **teens** who watch Trek...average, everyday teenagers...I know this from my teaching experience, I'd have cheerleader type chicks mention Trek in papers
Thank you Dave Raggett
Well it's really all relative isn't it? I mean, defining the center some other arbitrary place probably makes the math simpler but really all the bits are robiting each other and choosing any one as a set reference is just arbitrary, right?
Because good hoaxes are hilarious.
...the liberal [comedy] media (talk shows, as well as pure entertainment like Ali G) tricks people into appearing in things all the time, so apparently it's not that hard. I don't personally blame people for being too trusting, it just reflects how honest they are themselves.
But the Earth is the center of the universe! Look at your general theory of relativity! Any object can be consider the unmoving center of a frame of reference. Earth is at (0,0,0) and not rotating. Of course this implies large gravitional fields to keep the sun and the planets and the stars rotating around the Earth every 24 hours, and complex stuff like that. But that just makes the math more complicated. It is still a valid frame of reference.
But hey, why stop there? *** I *** am the center of the universe! All you people rotate around me! No need to bow down...
If you keep claiming there is no Starfleet ...
better stay out of Buzz Aldrin's way!
I really like Kate a lot.. she's an amazing actor but the irony of her being tricked into this role is too much! I can't help but laugh.. if it happened to Patrick Stewart I would feel the same way. But the tone of the comments in this thread is a bit depressing... everybody seems to miss the humor in this horrid travesty :)
interesting link...ok...this is going to have to be my last post on "technobabble"...let's untangle this mess
first, is it being used as a pejorative?
that's going to clear up alot of the mess right there...in the context does the speaker mean it as a negative, annoying thing
Mulgrew in her "The Captains" interview was *definitely* using the term as a pejorative...
others, including some from your Memory Alpha link, use it as a general term for any *TV dialogue* that involves scientific or technical language...just a neutral term
2nd, why are they using the term 'technobabble' as pejorative?
here on /. for us techies, we sometimes use 'technobabble' to indicate **obviously fake** technical language that was thrown in as an afterthought to either pander to the audience's need for "authenticity" or to move the plot along...Red Matterfrom JJ Abrams reboot is a good example
To make things confusing, non-techs use the term 'technobabble' as a pejorative regardless of its accuracy or usage in the plot...they do not know the difference at all...they just don't like having to learn strange words or think it's irrelevant to the story or are just kind of dumb and don't get it
my criticism of Mulgrew is that she is the latter...a person who is intellectually incurious & generally ignorant of science who calls any scientific language used in drama "technobabble"
Thank you Dave Raggett
sorry messed up the link in my post
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wik...
if you don't know what it is in reference to Trek count yourself lucky
Thank you Dave Raggett
The earth is the centre of the visible universe and thanks to Einstein's relativity, everything moves around us. So there is absolutely nothing wrong with the geocentrist idea, it just complicates the orbital mechanics equations when you want to fly a space ship to Mars somewhat, that's all.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
So the ether theory is back on the table?
Clearly, if the Earth is in fact the center of the universe, any repeat of the Michelson–Morley experiment would fail to detect a drift through the ether, since the Ether is in the same inertial reference frame as the Earth.
So, it's possible that there's ether, and the assumptions about Earth *not* being the center of the universe are what's responsible for the negative result, we just interpreted it incorrectly.
Why are these pieces of shit messing with people's heads? Are they seeking attention or are they trying to push some sort of ignorance cult down people's throats?
Those who think I'm being anti-Christian here should note that the Church was not even an ignorance cult back when only just over half of the Cardinals decided to give Galileo a hard time for making fun of the Pope's geocentric ideas (he went down for insubordination and not for astronomy). The Church moved on long ago. It's new ignorance cults who ignore inconvenient bits of the Bible like "the good Samaritan" who are a problem.
The amphibian sex episode between the captain and Paris was the low point but the few dozen episodes I saw were crap no matter who was on the screen. There's no point blaming one actress just as there was no point blaming one actor for all the Wesley stuff in the previous series. They didn't let her run loose and fix bad material with improv like Robin Williams is allowed to do.
I never made it as far as 7 of 9 but the very idea of a cute friendly and cuddly borg makes as little sense in that setting as someone deliberately putting a rabid wolverine down their trousers just to keep warm. I only got about as far as where the actress playing the cute elf chick asked to be upgraded to speaking role wages and got fired. That shows what sort of cut price crap it was.
Voyager was so bad that it put me off the rest of Deep Space Nine and I never even started on Enterprise.
The trailer is a laugh.
One line in there: "We are the only life in the entire universe."
HAHAHAHA. Okay.
Yeah, because we all know that by choosing a party affiliation, you suddenly become scientifically literate!
The film must have been a reference to a section of an Adams story where a survey marker was placed on earth to mark the center of the universe. IIRC
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I dont care if actors have been porn start before their big time (many were) and i dont care if they appear in shiot adressing an audience which does not contain me.
Cosmos (the Neil Degrasse Tyson version) had a interesting statement about being in the centre or not.
With light having a top speed aka light speed it doesn't matter what celestial body your on it looks like your in the centre of the universe.
Of course the earth still rotates around the sun and the sun rotates around the Milky way core but it looks like your in the centre of the cosmos if you start looking.
also people who believe that the sun rotates around the Earth should get our of their little religion oriented social group and should actually read some books about the subject or listen to scientists
Congratulations! Please obey all traffic laws and posted signs, and enjoy your new GPS navigation system.
I live in Thailand; I can't even READ the posted signs. But smile and wave to the police and there is no problem. I don't have a Global Positioning System, I only have a MPS (Me Positioning System). Works fine, but it makes me cross-eyed.
Supposedly a large # of the actors in the film Innocence of Muslims were duped into appearing in the film and had their lines (sloppily) edited after the fact to be about Mohammed instead of generic desert villain.
Sort of mirror image ... in "Innocence of Muslims" actors were tricked into taking part in a film depicting the truth that was opposed by a religion and in this case they were tricked into a film depicting falshoods that are supported by a religion.
That one with Stein and others from creationist do the same. inf act this is their basic modus operendi : misquoting.
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movement is relative
consequently if you want to look at it that way the earth is indeed the center of the universe,
mind you the math becomes immensly more complex that way, but it's not really wrong per se
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Note: I am not the author of the following quote, this is a copy/paste.
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I will also go right to the heart of the question a lot of players will have - "There are a lot of survival / Zombie games.how is this one going to be any different?". First off, it's a persistent MMO that can hold thousands of players on servers we host (yes there will be multiple servers with very different rule sets). Why is that a good thing? It means a thriving economy (oh yes.there's trading). It also means you have potential allies in the all-out war on the Infected... and many an enemy as well. It uses our proprietary next-gen Forgelight engine and that means we've had a lot of really cool technology to work with to make the game we wanted to make. It's also designed from the ground up for our players to become part of the design process. The Roadmap system that we built for PlanetSide 2 will be used extensively to clearly communicate what features we're working on and what you can expect and when. You're also going to be getting awesome access to our developers. We'll be opening it up for Player Studio creations too so expect player-created items to make their way into the game. The main thing that differentiates H1Z1 from the other great games in the genre is the emphasis we are putting on player ownership and building. We want you to be able to form roving gangs that are headquartere
Of course the sun doesn't revolve around the earth... it shines out of my ass...
I'm here till Friday
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When Jack Ryan's campaign for an open United States Senate seat in Illinois began in 2003, the Chicago Tribune newspaper and WLS-TV, the local ABC affiliate, sought to have his records released. Both Jeri and Jack agreed to make their divorce, but not custody, records public, saying their release could be harmful to their son.[30]
On June 18, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider agreed to release the custody files.[31] The decision generated much controversy because it went against both parents' direct request, and reversed the decision to seal the papers in the best interest of the child. It was revealed that six years earlier, Jeri had accused Jack Ryan of asking her to perform sexual acts with him in public,[32] and in sex clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris.[30][33] Jeri Ryan described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling."[34] Jack Ryan denied these allegations. Although Jeri Ryan only made a brief statement,[35] and she refused to comment on the matter during the campaign, the document disclosure led Jack Ryan to withdraw his candidacy;[36][37] his main opponent, Barack Obama, then won the 2004 United States Senate election in Illinois.[38]
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I read this report at http://www.chomobi.com/ but it is not clear because It is short when I read this report and I understand this content
The problem is if you take it literally, with no room for metaphors or other linguistic sins. Never mind that it was King David who said the earth never moved, rather than a prophet or the voice of God. Or that from some views of special relativity you can assume the earth is fixed, or make any other point your reference. Or that it's obvious from earthquakes that the earth moves.
But where do the turtles fit in?
Cosmologists say that when we look in the sky and all the stars and planets, we can see them escaping us. This explains that the universe is expanding. But if we can observe the same thing from every side of Earth, wouldn't it mean that we are in the center?
There is no description of the earth's foundations (and I'm sorry, but the original text is NOT the King's English anyway). For all we know, this "foundation" could be a reference to the orbit the Earth is set upon and a statement that the Earth cannot be moved from that foundation (not be moved by the readers, anyway). There's LITERALLY nothing there describing the "foundation" - not size, not shape, not composition, nothing. It's also true that land is often referred to as Earth, so it could even be a reference to that what supports dry land above the Earth's molten core. You can actually choose to take the Bible totally literally (even with a talking serpent) and still see that it is NOT an engineering or astrophysics text book with cutaway drawings, dimensions, etc. The texts (taken literally or metaphorically) simply lack details... and that's just FINE. Nobody complains when Richard Dawkins or Stephen Hawkingwrites a book that lacks every little detail about the universe. I see no ammunition here for arguing pro/con this bit of scripture.
As for the sun, allow me to point out that we all (of all, and no, religions) use these expressions. Even those of us who fully understand celestial mechanics involved still say to our kids "be home by sunset" or "we'll be having dinner when the sun goes down" rather than "be home by the time this spot on the Earth's surface has rotated sufficiently away from the sun that it is no longer visible" or some other such nonsense. This is about as silly as when Bill Nye tried to slam the Bible as anti-science because it has a verse that refers to the moon as a light (and HE points out that it's not a source of light, just reflecting sunlight). Apparently in Mr. Nye's world, couples do not go out for a romantic stroll in the "moonlight", nobody goes for a "moonlight" swim, etc. The man's an idiot.
What it all really comes down to is something every person working Guidance and Navigation at the Johnson Space Center is quite familiar with: "Frame of Reference". If you set your frame of reference to the center of the sun, then everything (including all the other galaxies) goes around the sun. If you set your frame of reference to the center of the Earth, then everything, including the sun and the rest of the universe, goes around the Earth (and this is a common frame of reference used in orbital spaceflight). You could set your frame of reference to the center of the moon, or the ISS in Low Earth Orbit, or any other arbitrary point in space. It's all relative (in the basic geometric sense rather than the Einstein sense). Taking a Bible verse about sunrise and sunset an using it to claim that the book is wrong, would be like running down the street denouncing every person who speaks of sunrise or sunset - sheer lunacy. The biggest joke of all in this argument about taking the Bible "literally" is that most of those (both for and against the Bible) who claim to be taking it "literally" are actually NOT; they're almost always projecting lots of junk onto it that is plainly (literally?) NOT there.
Allow me to propose a simple rule-of-thumb for Bible readers (both "the faithful" and the skeptics) as follows: Do not criticize it any differently than you criticize every other book (i.e. use consistent standards) and do not take individual sentences out-of-context from ANY book. Bible "verses" are just sentences and they were NOT numbered in the original text (the numbers were added to aid in navigating the text). If person A gets to use individual Bible sentences, person B gets to use individual sentences from any other book. If person A gets to heap his own interpretations onto the clear text of the Bible, then person B gets to do likewise with other books.
Am I the only one that wished 7of9 wore **more** clothes?
Seriously it was embarassing to watch the show with a female in the room....and this is the show with the woman captain that was supposed to be all female inclusive. TOS had boobs everywhere but it's old enough to get away with it.
If I want porn i just look at...you know....pr0n
And the answer to my question is in the subject for this one too...
Thank you Dave Raggett
Had you actually STUDIED those oft-circulated talking points, you'd know how dishonest and false the list is. It's a list of individual verses ripped out from their contexts. For example, when the Bible says God approves of something at one particular point in time in one verse, and then says he does not approve of that thing AT A DIFFERENT TIME AND PLACE, your dishonest list plucks those verses out and lines-them-up and shouts that this is an inconsistency.
Give it a break already... probably no book you have ever read can look consistent if attacked in this dishonest way and it's always very telling that people who hate the Bible so often need to use deceit to attack it rather than legitimate analysis. Try not to pick up a copy of "Green Eggs and Ham".... if I recall correctly there's a guy in there names "Sam" who in one sentence says he hates the food and in another sentence says he loves it - a clear inconsistency that destroys the book by your reckoning.
doing it as a gig is fine from a "food on the table" perspective...no judgement its work we'd all do
i'm criticizing her acting, especially in the captain role
i'm saying that as a professional in something like Star Trek that has built-in millions of fans as an actor you can **remain an airhead** and phone in your work or you can use it to launch a much more successful career
Shatner and Patrick Stewart are, give or take, about as famous as people their age can be...Voyager was on for 6 or 7 seasons IIRC
people *love* those guys...even non-Trek fans
they obviously chose, as professionals, to take the sillyness seriously and grow professionally...fans know how silly it all looks too...people running around in pajamas and whatnot...but the cultural effect is undeniable ($$$)
Mulgrew should have known better...that's what I'm really saying
she did get a pretty sweet gig as the cook on Orange is the New Black, but IMHO her acting is just as empty and wooden and predictable in that as well
Thank you Dave Raggett
Who would make such a 'documentary' and why? What do they hope to gain from doing so?
I wonder if there is a person that excepts evolution, but does not buy that the earth revolves around the sun?
Einstein taught us that no point of reference is special. It's perfectly legitimate to state that everything goes around the earth. It does make the movements of everything else very complex though, since they then don't follow Keplerian orbits. It also breaks some of Newton's laws (like inertia, since other planets sometimes reverse course).
But, fixing all of that is just a matter of using different math and creating different physical laws. The accepted convention of the Earth orbiting the Sun is simply the one which we've found to have the simplest math and laws.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
I am not sure why celebrities would be considered the ultimate models of success... They are famous, but since I don't consider fame to be the ultimate standard by which I judge success...
Every halfway sane human being knows the world does not revolve around them, but that they play a rather small part. That the earth or even our galaxy does so as well on a cosmic scale should neither be a surprise nor a problem. What is their angle? Is this about discrediting science in general because these people are trying to sell some scam?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
In a universe that seems to be infinite in size (or a closed manifold), any point can be declared to be the centre. The reason for saying that Earth and the other planets circle the Sun is that it makes it easy to understand the observable orbits of the planets. But, it is perfectly valid to put Earth in the middle, if you have a wish to do so, just not very useful.
Gee, how long is it before APK links back to this claiming that Zontar got modded down to -1 and he got modded up to +5?
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WTF?
The idea that the Sun revolves around the Earth, particularly from our reverence point, is completely a valid and true observation. That is just not the best reference point if you want the simplest explanation/model. But just because it is simple does not make it any truer.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
NASA says the balloon analogy sucks.
Thu 4/10/14 9:11 am. The trailer I looked at it *did not* say the sun revolved around the earth. I assume slashdot is lying about it intentionally; or perhaps the actual film has a whole segment slashdot didn't tell us about. ... The trailer said the earth was "special" and quoted cosmologists who are professionally confused about various complicated matters, mostly to be sure in an effort to get more funding for cosmology. The universe may be created by a guy with a beard, and a teapot may be simmering on the other side of the moon, but the trailer didn't say anything around the sun revolving around the earth.
Beg to differ. Apk only told the truth. Anyone can see that much.
If you chose Earth or even your current spot on Earth as your reference frame, then essentially that is the "center" of the universe (as defined by your reference frame). From that perspective, the Earth is the center and the Sun is in an orbit around it. It's a point of view. The math is much easier for having the Earth orbit the Sun (or, more technically their common center of gravity or barycenter).
However, as postulated by Galileo Galilei in his principle of relativity, there are no privileged reference frames. Someone in the early part of last century expanded on this principle with two of their own (special and general)....
No. She didn't win a lawsuit. All she "won" was an unconstitutional prior restraint against Youtube (google)
forcing them to remove the segment of the movie she's in.
The actual Kozinski ruling suggests that actors HAVE a copyright in the final work despite decades
of copyright law to the contrary.
Google has appealed. This will be decided back the way it should be (that actors don't magically get
copyright laws).
The case -- in case you want to read the facts instead of making them up -- is Garcia v Google.
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The fact we were engineered by sentient beings (not an omnipotent being) in their own image is quite obvious. The fact Earth was terraformed by these beings is also obvious. The fact Jesus was a genetic cross between humans and our creators and implanted in Mary's uterus seems like a no-brainier. I thought this was all pretty clearly laid out in the bible, among other things. Modern incorrect interpretations of it are being done by people with an interest in controlling the idiotic masses. You scientists aren't helping the situation by pushing your own misinformation.
Depends on the facts stated in the article. If you're trying to talk people out of science and fact (like gravity) then the movie is wrong. But if it says it's all about the frame of reference, and which one you prefer, then it's not wrong to say the sun moves around us. It's just that most people pick Sol because it makes more sense. Picking the center of the galaxy would make even more sense (in which case we would still be revolving around the sun) but I digress...
Get off my ship.
*movie producers shot out of the airlock*
Let's start with talking snakes.
Represented an intelligent, reptilian species with a vested interest in controlling their rival's creation (humans).
An apple filled with knowledge.
Represented the free will humans were given by their creators. We were given a choice to remain coddled children for the rest of our existing or to be free to learn everything in the universe. To experience everything in the universe. Good or bad. Trust me, our creators wanted us to take the fruit.
Everybody is related to Adam and Eve, and completely inbred.
Yep. The prototypes. Genetic complexity was so high with them, that the inbreeding didn't make us completely nonfunctional. But you're still assuming Adam and Eve were the only humans involved in the initial seeding of the population.
Two of every animal fit into a single boat, and none of them ate each other.
Yes. Two DNA samples of every animal would fit quite easily in a boat or space craft.
All the animals are inbred, back to the ark.
You are assuming, again, that they had physical animals and not DNA samples on the ark.
I would have thought slashdot, with all of its smart asses, would be capable of interpreting what the bible says and not buy into the idiot's interpretation of it.
Beta completely fucked the formatting of this comment. Fuck beta. It ignores quote tags and line breaks.
Is it that hard to believe that someone who spent the best 7 years of her life lost in deep space could get tricked into this?
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Yeah, yeah, you all can argue all you want about the relative merits of the film (non-existent though they be).
The single most important fact is that, in order to get anyone even moderately credible (I don't go to any actor for scientific facts) to participate, they had to lie about what the film was actually about.
'nuff said!
If she sues and wins, this will shutdown Hollywood forever. Its one of the primary functions of the producer to lie. 'Lie, cheat and steal' is their bread and butter and you can't cheat and steal without covering yourself in lies. Its a two legged stool and it will never sit.
How many actors have had their entire performance chopped out of a film or altered completely? Kevin Costner was the dead guy in 'The Big Chill' but you wouldn't know it cause the chopped it during editing. Gabriel Byrne was told and thought all the way up until the premier that he was Khyser Sose in 'The Usual Suspects'. In 'Empire Strikes Back', only a few knew that 'Luke, I am your father' was going to be the actual line.
Can an actor now sue the producers for misleading them? Does this only apply to 'documentaries' or only to the ones you don't like?
According to my GPS display the center of the universe is my car. The whole universe revolves when I make a left turn, the whole universe moves when I drive. Looks like this movie is on to something. Except it does not go far enough. We need to promote 140mandak262jamuna'sCarCentrism.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Hollywood people in a fundamental way don't 'do' science, which is why it's so easy to pull them into any sort of Luddite anti-science cause. With no critical tools to evaluate science claims made by someone producing a film, they can be made to serve that person's cause by use of the appropriate political button-pushing phraseology.
I can imagine these actors being told that the film would be "a bold initiative against heliocentric privilege exercised by an unshielded, cancer-causing fusion reactor in Earth's vicinity."
I kept searching for Ms. Mulgrew's statement online to the effect of feeling duped, dumb, stupid, fooled into acting in something, but all I could find talked about giant space salamanders or something.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
It's really cute how he thinks that NASA is powerful enough to suppress a fundamental cosmological arrangement observable by anyone.
If Slashdot were chemistry it would look like this:Cadaverine
The 'Front Page' can be viewed in classic mode, but the articles cannot be - just another really
stupid way to force viewers to accept F#*@&g Beta.
Mod up...would that I hadn't posted already in here...
Unity? Screw that: XFCE. Slashdot Beta? Screw that: SoylentNews. Australis? Screw that: Pale Moon. UX developers DIAF
If you watch the trailer (ugh! I did), and listen critically, you'll notice that the soundbites were all fairly innocuous and non-specific. The quotes used were not in any way related to the premise of the film, they were general in the extreme: "We don't know what we don't know" or "Everything we know about the universe is wrong". I've heard similar quotes in almost every popular science-related film.
We'll see what the movie looks like. There is, however, no doubt in my mind that the two guys who made it, Robert Sungenis (Dr Sungenis, thanks to a mail-order doctorate from a "university" in Vanuatu) and Rick DeLano (his blog says it all: http://magisterialfundies.blog...) are grade-A, raving nutters. They are Catholic fundamentalists with an agenda.
How can she narrate something and not understand what it's about?
give 3 steps give me 3 steps mister!
Eat bags of bags of dicks please. -Redmancometh
Wow... this documentary is just plain stupid. We live in a tiny solar system way of in a "rural" burb... no where near the center. We are way out on the edge of the milkyway... not even near our own galaxy's center. As far as center of the Universe... I think the idiots don't know what the Universe is. Think of it as something smaller than anything you can imagine.... then a balloon expanding and expanding larger and larger and larger. Nothing exists outside of the Universe, the Universe encompasses everything.
Sorry Mulgrew, we didn't care about you when you were The Skipper of Gilligan's starship, and we still don't care.
They're paying them back for being primadonna douches off-set :)
Beg to differ. Apk only told the truth. Anyone can see that much.
TFTFY crazy stalker dewd.
It is obvious that the Earth is the bottom of the universe. Look up, everything else is above us.
...as is every other point in the Universe.
How'd "eating your words" taste + your foot in your mouth & washed down w/ "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" too? Here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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Needs moar bold and ALLCAPS. Teh crazy is too subtle.
destined to become one of the most ridiculed films of our time
FTF them. Seriously, the only people who are going to take this seriously are the ones who have already drifted away from reality a long time ago. I for one welcome this movie as a very blatant showcase of how people in a certain political corner are willing to deny science and engage in misinformation for religious regions. (Yeah, broke the "I for one" meme and all that.) Keep that ammo coming!
If you're going to force it to be binary that way, it's more political. I was thinking of it more as it's progressive in a 'science is good!' type way.
I don't read AC A human right
"Nasa" instead of "NASA", "resolves" instead of "revolves" (or indeed "orbits"), and the inability to understand that the Earth doesn't "go around the Sun" any more than "the Sun goes around the Earth" (both views are perfectly valid, one just makes planetary orbits easier to calculate).
"Allow me to propose a simple rule-of-thumb for Bible readers (both "the faithful" and the skeptics) as follows: Do not criticize it any differently than you criticize every other book (i.e. use consistent standards) and do not take individual sentences out-of-context from ANY book."
I'll do that for the harry potter book as soon as the harry potter book (and every other book) will be taken as "litteral truth" like the bible is by some people.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...
Technically only for female, no age of consent for male. Also technically it made what we consider children prostitution (12)legal. In fact if you compare mariage age without parent assent to age of consent it was
pretty clear the age for mariage was only to make sure the previous generation had a strong say in how the assets were handled and only that. I would also had that in welsh the mariage age was 12-14 (1550 or so). Age of consent was only raised to 16 much later (19th century).
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
Oh - while I didn't especially care for Star Trek: Voyager Lost In Space, I think Ms. Mulgrew is a fine actress. I'm sorry she got suckered in to this. And . . . Remo Williams Lives!.
And even if you're duped, you can't pull out
Consider the case of Kim Basinger and Boxing Helena. When she found out how objectionable/bad the film was really going to be, she tried to pull out.
Studio sued her, she lost for 8.3 Million, later reduced to 3.8 million.
This would be the same APK whose "supporters" all somehow just happen to be ACs using the exact same phrases and links that APK does, right? Just wanted to be sure we were talking abut the same guy.
Resources are finite. If the availability of resources is increased a million-fold, they will still be finite.
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
I never shy away from casting moral judgement on past events using modern standards and I think nobody should. Slavery was wrong then. is wrong now.
Are you 100% committed to that view? I think Thomas Jefferson was a pretty great guy, despite the fact that he was a slaveowner. In 2014, he'd be arrested for that. In 1770, the feedback he was getting from most of his peers was, "you're doing it right." Do you cut T.J. any slack at all for being "a product of his times"?
That that is is that that that that is not is not.
GP claimed that the AVERAGE age of marriage was below 16 and that the practice was common. It was not. My comment said nothing about age of consent or earliest marriage possible, which obviously were lower in the past (in royal marriages, it was perfectly possible for a 9 year old girl to "marry" a 5 year old boy, though consummation would obviously take place later). If you read my earlier comment, you'll note that I discussed aristocratic marriages, which were (rarely) involving very young... and even the quote in the post you responded to mentioned one girl married at 13. My response to GP was solely addressing the question of the AVERAGE and what most people did... on that point, he was clearly in error.
who is this loser and why does he keep putting this shit everywhere? Dafuq this has to do with the story? pissed-off 13 yearold?
He speaks troof, son!
She's an _actor_, for pete's sake. Where is it written that anyone pretending to be something else has to know how to /do/ something else? As an actor, she did a good job -- if you entered into a suspension of belief { after all, the ship is flying --faster than the speed of light-- most of the time! }, she could pass as a captain on a starship. There is a reason it's called *fantasy*, after all, and that's where it ends. What she does off the set is her own business. She's not an airhead. She's an actor. If you are looking for scientific credentials from an actor, who's the airhead?
The very concept of being on more than prisoner-jailer terms means "friendly and cuddly" compared with the kill on sight borg in the rest of the setting.
Look at it this way as far as we can detect in every measurable way we are at the center of the universe.
The universe extends an equal amount of distance in any direction you care to choose. The only logical conclusion is that we are in fact in the center of the universe.
if she just did the trailer that would change things...idk it seemed she narrated the whole thing b/c she mentioned going down the studio multiple times IIRC
Thank you Dave Raggett
As a cinematographer I support the producers, the actress agreed to participate in a movie and then it's the cinematographer's right to do anything he wants with the fllm, he can even use the footage in other films. Actresses don't have privacy rights related to any footage in which they appear, just like any painter can paint an image of an actress or any photographer can take a photo of her without her permission in the street and exploit her image for creating comics or anything else, it's called freedom of speech and freedom of the arts. Absinthia Stacy
Just because the Earth is hollow and dinosaurs live there, doesn't mean the Sun revolves around the Earth, after all.
Now excuse me, I have to design a method to keep ships from being damaged when they float off the edge of the Earth.
-- Tigger warning: This post may contain tiggers! --
As much as she says she was "duped", I'm both going to call "BULLSHIT" and say, "WHO CARES"?
Having known many working actors--even for stuff that is stupid or just plain idiotic, ONLY FOOLS turn down a legal paycheck very often.
Janeway making anti-heliocentric remarks.
To what demographic could this possibly appeal?
The Brits used to suffer from schemers who made crap movies for cheap and ran off with government subsidies that exceeded their minimal costs - the wild extension of Hollywood accounting.
If you follow the money, in what cesspit do we arrive?
--
Patrick Stewart, William Shattner, $PLEASE_DONT_TELL_ME_ WHERE_THIS_SEQUENCE_LEADS
How about the fact that the Big Bang theory coincides neatly with creationism?
Frankly i prefer cyclical black hole theory to the big bang which reeks of creationist intent.
A professor once pointed out to me that a black hole the size of the observable universe would have about the same density as the observable universe. IMO it is more likely that the universe is a black hole and that it cycles itself by the same means. This would explain inflation (the black hole we live in just swallowed something big) it would also explain the expansion of spacetime as well as virtual particles and the concept of the multiverse...I mean if the universe we live in is a ginormous black hole, whats to limit the number of universal black holes to just 1? Nothing, thats what.
To paraphrase, the universe is not just stranger than we imagine, it is probably stranger than we can imagine.
* :)
Does that represent you crying, drooling, or what?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Just because you project your "strange tastes" (lol) doesn't mean he does the same as you do.
HOLY MOLY ARE YOU LAME!
Irony isn't your strong suit, is it?
Zontar said himself that he's a bit whacked. It's not untrue. What's your problem?
On your meds loonybird (multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...)
AND?
You're reduced to using sockpuppets too, Zontar?
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
HOLY MOLY ARE YOU LAME!
(and weak... ESPECIALLY considering you downmodded the last time I posted this - truth hurts, doesn't it, troll - especially NOW that you've been exposed...)
APK
P.S.=> It's your reputation, not mine... lol!
... apk
How'd "eating your words" taste + your foot in your mouth & washed down w/ "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" too? Here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(Ahem: Zontar - Libeling me's OR me via attempting to LIE about apps I wrote above's one thing, however also being caught in it & being uanble to backup your OTHER lies too -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ) - Take your meds for THAT one: You're HALLUCINATING again, Zontar!
Please...
APK
P.S.=> Now, you just KNOW I've just GOTTA say it, now don't you? Ah, but of COURSE you do:
THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'"
(& it always is, especially vs. LYING libelous done ZERO losers & admitted loonybirds like Zontar ( multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ))
... apk
How'd "eating your words" taste + your foot in your mouth & washed down w/ "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" too? Here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
* :)
(Ahem: Zontar - Libeling me's OR me via attempting to LIE about apps I wrote above's one thing, however also being caught in it & being uanble to backup your OTHER lies too -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ) - Take your meds for THAT one: You're HALLUCINATING again, Zontar!
Please...
APK
P.S.=> Now, you just KNOW I've just GOTTA say it, now don't you? Ah, but of COURSE you do:
THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'"
(& it always is, especially vs. LYING libelous done ZERO losers & admitted loonybirds like Zontar ( multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ))
... apk
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
He's better than Zontar who uses sockpuppets (TrollingForHostsFiles) http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Nah. Zontar's just got "writers block" (but can't write for shit http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ) it's that, or he's just being POLITE (not talking with his mouth full of his words he had to eat along with his FOOT IN HIS MOUTH to pack them in there good, lol, + the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat" to wash it all down)
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
---
You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
---
Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
---
You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
---
Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk"
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
---
You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
---
Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
---
You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
---
Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apkquote
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
---
You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
---
Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
---
You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
---
Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
NOBODY, not even the most-extreme Christian, takes every verse of the bible "literally true". The most-strictly-literal Christians do not claim that God has feather-covered wings. The most-dedicated believers are apparently a lot smarter than you are, because they recognize the obvious allegories and recognize which parts are poetry, which parts are song lyrics, which parts are literal historical accounts, which parts are letters written by individuals to their friends, etc. When these people say they believe the entire Bible to be in-errant and true, they are saying they believe the history parts are true history, the poems about the nature of God and man's relationship to God are true, the promises by God to his people are true, etc and that they believe the entire book was written and passed-down correctly; they are saying that when the Bible says God shelters a person beneath His wing it is TRUE that God protects that person as an adult bird might protect its young beneath its wing, and NOT that God has a wing and will stuff that person physically beneath that wing. Oh, and taking an obvious allegory as an allegory does NOT mean you must take EVERYTHING as allegory. The fact that a serious Christian does not think God has a physical wing does NOT mean that he doubts the resurrection of Christ (which the text clearly treats as fact and NOT as allegory).
The Bible-hater who pretends that allegory, idiom, etc either do not exist or simply cannot be determined by simple reading comprehension (that one must either take an entire book at face value or see the whole thing as allegory) is just being intentionally dishonest or stupid and generally will NEVER treat any other book that way.
The Sun does move around the Earth.
The only reason most scientists say the Earth moves around the Sun is to make the math easier.