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Mozilla makes me sad
Send them your feedback here:
https://qsurvey.mozilla.com/s3/FirefoxInput/
I let them know that I am removing Firefox and will not be downloading it ever again. They get zero trust from me now.
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Re:Make it stop....
First, I look forward to seeing you flagged as flamebait. Second, way to miss the point. The question is one of privacy. Apparently you can't sort the two out. Mozilla is claiming privacy is a priority when it's an obvious lie. But that doesn't matter to you does it? You like being lied to right? I guess it only makes sense that a foundation that receives millions of dollars (check their 990) and receives free labor through the help of volunteers should get more money from joe public. Try to form a coherent argument next time.
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Re:Except Flash?
I think the reason for why they've picked flash to survive is that its by far the most popular plugin both in install base and in use in websites.
https://w3techs.com/technologi...
Flash is said to have 7.2% of use, while Java has less than 0.1%.
Of course, it can be different for the sets of websites you visit.
Flash install base is about 76%: https://metrics.mozilla.com/fi...
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Only 77% have Flash?
My biggest surprise is that only 77% have Flash installed. That either means users don't need Flash any more on the desktop or Mozilla has a bigger mobile usage than I think... Either way I think it's good.
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Re:But of course!
Worse - it's in the cited article as well. Didn't the submitter (msmash) bother to read it first, or is this just karma whoring.
The Firefox Hardware Report published recently by Mozilla shows that Windows 7 is the number one browser for users running the company’s browser, with a share of 44.86 percent, followed by Windows 10 with 25.67 percent.
How hard would it have been to link to the actual report, which doesn't claim that Windows 7 is a browser?
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Telemetry
https://metrics.mozilla.com/firefox-hardware-report/#goto-os-and-architecture
"The data for this report comes from Firefox’s built-in Telemetry data system. Firefox automatically collects information about desktop hardware and operating system configurations and sends this to Mozilla roughly daily, unless users disable this collection."
Wonderful.
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Re:more features for the feature god.
What evidence do you have that Mozilla wants to spy on people?
Mozilla bent over backwards to make it possible for you to run your own Firefox Accounts and Sync servers:
https://docs.services.mozilla....
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Re: Iceweasel for Windows?
Sync in Palemoon is based on the old Sync 1.1 in Firefox. Everything is encrypted client-side and your key is never transmitted. Sync 1.5 is what is currently included in recent Firefox builds. It does transmit your key.
You run your own Sync 1.1 server, and configure Pale Moon to use it instead if that tickles your fancy. See here: https://docs.services.mozilla....
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Yes, Pale Moon 64 bits
Pale Moon x64 is Firefox with adult supervision. With Pale Moon, use Pale Moon's own ad blocker, AdBlock Latitude.
Firefox is becoming less and less stable. It's so unstable that it often doesn't report crashes, so the crash reports aren't reliable, they show far fewer crashes than actually occurred. Mozilla Foundation needs better management. -
Re:People still use Firefox?
Except that Mozilla created the Memshrink Project which very definitely did not blame "everything else".
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Re:Non-profit revenue streams
Mozilla (as of their 2013 financial report) had $250 million in net assets, and during the year received $306 million in 'royalties' and spent $295 million ($200mm on software development, $45mm on branding/marketing, and $30mm on general admin).
The Wikimedia Foundation (as of their 2014 financial report) had $54 million in net assets, and during the year received $50 million in donations/support and spent $46 million ($20mm on salaries, $20 mm on other, $5 mm on grants/awards. Only $3mm spent on hosting and service expenses).
There is no reason that these entities require that kind of cash flow, and need to spend that much money. Non-profit =/= money spent efficiently or effectively, and the people running these entities have managed to get themselves a very sweet deal by controlling what should in all rights be a community-led structure, and dipping their greedy snout in the stream of cash flow.
For those reasons alone, I refuse to support either of them. It is greed and control writ large.
Sources:
https://static.mozilla.com/moc...
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AdBlock Edge. uBlock. AdBlock Latitude.
"dishonest *** who take money from Google to whitelist their ads"
CEOs should accept that I use an ad blocker. If I didn't have an ad blocker, I would be more aware of their ads and would probably be successful in getting some of the CEOs fired for dishonesty and incompetence.
Adblock Edge is a fork of the Adblock Plus(R) version 2.1.2 extension for blocking advertisements on the web. Adblock Edge was primarily branched off from Adblock Plus(R) 2.1.2 source code package "https://adblockplus.org/downloads/adblockplus-2.1.2-source.tgz" created by Wladimir Palant.
Adblock Edge will be discontinued in June 2015 in favor of uBlock , a general purpose blocker that not only outperforms Adblock Edge but is also available on other browsers and, of course, without "Acceptable Ads Whitelist".***
Pale Moon x64 is Firefox with adult supervision. With Pale Moon, use AdBlock Latitude.
Firefox is becoming less and less stable. It's so unstable that it often doesn't report crashes, so the crash reports aren't reliable, they show far fewer crashes than actually occurred. The underlying problem is that Mozilla Foundation needs better management. At present, Mozilla Foundation management is sometimes excellent and sometimes very unreliable. -
MOD PARENT UP: "self-induced failure"
Pale Moon 64-bit is Firefox without the "self-induced failure" mentioned in the parent comment.
Pale Moon with Adblock Latitude is AdBlock Plus without the corruption mentioned in this story: Google, Amazon 'n' pals fork out for AdBlock Plus 'unblock' -- report
It is not necessary to use the Classic Theme Restorer add-on in Pale Moon because Pale Moon didn't change the user interface.
Firefox is becoming less and less stable. When many windows and tabs are open, the memory usage begins increasing even when there is no activity, and then Firefox crashes. Now, in recent versions, Firefox crashes but often doesn't report the crashes. The screen just becomes black. The crash reports aren't reliable, they show far fewer crashes than actually occurred.
Yahoo paid Mozilla Foundation to change the search configuration of Firefox, without notifying users. Most users of Firefox don't now how to change it back. Instead, they may change to another browser. See this Slashdot story: Firefox Signs Five-Year Deal With Yahoo, Drops Google as Default Search Engine. But "Yahoo search" is just Microsoft Bing search. It's mind-bending: Microsoft is paying Yahoo to corrupt Firefox.
The newest version of Firefox took the "Duplicate Tab" choice out of the right-click menu of each tab, and put that choice in the right-click menu of the displayed page. Often, however, right-clicking on the page itself brings up a different menu because of the way the page is coded underneath the mouse pointer. So it may be necessary to try right-clicking on several areas of the page to find the Duplicate Tab menu choice.
In Pale Moon, the right-click menu contains the "Duplicate Tab" choice in both the tab and the displayed page.
Apparently Mozilla Foundation is trying to discourage the use of the Thunderbird email client. The newest version of Thunderbird, 31.4.0, has the Save-As bug. All file saves are Save As, and suggest a different file name than the name with which the email was saved before. The Save-As bug was reported in September 2014, and has not been fixed in more than 4 months. Is it possible that the bug is deliberate?
I haven't found the bug report of the Save-As bug in Thunderbird. Here is the report for SeaMonkey Composer, the same software that Thunderbird uses: When I click save, the button does what Save As should do, even if I previously saved said file.
Other obvious bugs were recently introduced into Thunderbird. For example, the fields for email addresses are now much more difficult to read.
Pale Moon has been removing some of the issues in their FossaMail version of Thunderbird. I haven't tested it to see if the Save-As bug is fixed.
The underlying problem is that Mozilla Foundation needs better management. At present, Mozilla Foundation management is sometimes excellent and sometimes very unreliable. -
No iOS API to enumerate nearby SSIDs
I don't think it'll really catch on until you have access the entire iOS API.
Genuine question: don't you?
No, the public doesn't have access to the entire iOS API in any language. Apple reserves large chunks of the iOS API for itself, not for apps on the App Store. For example, Mozilla Stumbler is an app to help contribute to a free database of local positioning beacons. It watches your GPS and Wi-Fi and reports locations associated with SSIDs that your device can see. But it's Android exclusive because the public subset of the iOS API lacks any way to enumerate nearby SSIDs.
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Re:The obvious answer
Actually yes, assuming you have a phone (or similar) with GPS.
There are a couple of projects collecting locations of cell phone towers and wifi hotspots to allow geolocation to devices without GPS and faster geolocation for with GPS. Having opensource databases means you can do lookup without having to report your location to a google/apple/nokia and means you can do offline look ups. See https://location.services.mozi... or http://wiki.opencellid.org/wik... or http://openbmap.org/
If you are cycling on cycle paths, then you could record GPS traces and upload them to openstreet map. That will require a bit of time on the computer, but the valuable work is the actual recording.
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Mozilla needs better management.
Pale Moon x64 is Firefox with adult supervision.
Firefox is becoming less and less stable. It's so unstable that it often doesn't report crashes, so the crash reports aren't reliable, they show far fewer crashes than actually occurred.
The underlying problem is that Mozilla Foundation needs better management. At present, Mozilla Foundation management is sometimes excellent and sometimes very unreliable. -
No Mozilla Stumbler for iOS
But if you app fails the Apples check do we really want your app?
Last time I checked, iOS contained no public API to enumerate nearby Wi-Fi access points' SSIDs. This means Mozilla Stumbler, an application to help build an open location service by trilaterating from nearby SSIDs, can't be distributed in Apple's App Store, and similar programs such as WiFi-Where were pulled because they used APIs that Apple deemed private. Or are you claiming that nobody wants to help build an open location service?
I've made a list of other checks that Apple performs not for quality but for forbidden functionality.
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Re:Why?
He should get in touch with Mozilla to commercialise the idea.
They have a 'stumbler' application to map the world using wifi. Create a campaign to map neighbourhoods by kitty!
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Re:Not denying something is different from forcing
Let's not also forget two other particularly powerful points made in the Free Software Foundation's (FSF) essay:
- "We understand that Mozilla is afraid of losing users. Cory Doctorow points out that they have produced no evidence to substantiate this fear or made any effort to study the situation."
- "More importantly, popularity is not an end in itself. This is especially true for the Mozilla Foundation, a nonprofit with an ethical mission. In the past, Mozilla has distinguished itself and achieved success by protecting the freedom of its users and explaining the importance of that freedom: including publishing Firefox's source code, allowing others to make modifications to it, and sticking to Web standards in the face of attempts to impose proprietary extensions."
Brad Kuhn builds on these points in his essay discussing Mozilla's announcement: "Theoretically speaking, though, the Mozilla Foundation is supposed to be a 501(c)(3) non-profit charity which told the IRS its charitable purpose was: to "keep the Internet a universal platform that is accessible by anyone from anywhere, using any computer, and
... develop open-source Internet applications". Baker fails to explain how switching Firefox to include proprietary software fits that mission. In fact, with a bit of revisionist history, she says that open source was merely an "approach" that Mozilla Foundation was using, not their mission."Speaking of how people criticize the FSF without reading what they say, the FSF is not an "open source advocate" despite
/.'s insistence to the contrary such as is stated in this story's headline. The FSF and the free software movement predate the developmental methodology known as open source, and the FSF fights for values the open source movement sets out to deny, namely software freedom. The FSF has published more than one essay on this topic (1, 2) and RMS includes a clear and cogent explanation of this point in virtually every talk you'll hear him give. Archives of these talks are readily available online in formats that favor free software. Mozilla's choice here is another example of reaching radically different conclusions given different philosophies: Mozilla's open source choice versus a free software activist's choice to reject DRM for many valid reasons the FSF points out. -
Re:been using accounts in aurora for a month alrea
it should be a well layed out mechanism that allows one to sync to a server of choice, allowing one to host it themselves instead of relying on third parties.
It's not completely trivial to set up, but not horribly difficult either:
http://docs.services.mozilla.c...You set up your own Firefox Sync server on whatever machine you want.
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Re:Can't wait
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Reposting/Fixing My List
This list is part of a much longer list that I maintain and sometimes publish.
* 7-ZIP -- Create/Extra ZIP and many other other file compression formats, very powerful. Note can open some installer EXE and MSI files (see Microsoft Orca for more MSI options) (free, open source, Windows, there may be Linux/Mac variants). http://www.7-zip.com/
* CCleaner -- System optimization, privacy and cleaning tool. (free, closed source, Windows) http://www.ccleaner.com/ **Alternate Tool** BleachBit -- Free cache, delete cookies, clear Internet history, shred temporary files, delete logs, and discard junk you didn't know was there. (free, open source Linux/Windows) http://bleachbit.sourceforge.n...
* Greenshot -- Good Screen Shot tool with simple annotation options. (free, open source, Windows) http://greenshot.sourceforge.n...
* IrfanView -- Image Program View, convert, crop, optimize, sideshow, batch Processing etc (free noncommercial, closed source, Windows) http://www.irfanview.com/
Instantbird -- Multi Protocol Instant Messaging (IM) Client - AOL, MSM, Yahoo, etc (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) **Alternate Tool** Pidgin - Multi Protocol Instant Messaging (IM) Client - AOL, MSM, Yahoo, etc (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) http://pidgin.im/
* KeePass Password Safe -- Good Quality secure password manager, stores passwords encrypted. (free, open source, Windows Linux/Mac with Mono) http://keepass.info/
* LibreOffice -- Power-packed Open Source personal productivity suite for Windows, Macintosh and Linux, that gives you six feature-rich applications for all your document production. Excellent replacement for other Office Suites, can open many different and sometimes odd file types -- (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) http://www.libreoffice.org/
* Mozilla.org FireFox -- Web browser for more security then Internet Explore (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) http://www.mozilla.com/ http://www.mozilla.org/
* SpeedCrunch -- fast, high-precision and powerful cross-platform desktop calculator (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) http://www.speedcrunch.org/ & http://speedcrunch.blogspot.co...
* UltraEdit -- Probably the absolute best most powerful text editors around, edit huge files, FTP, column mode, and more (shareware, closed source, Win/Mac/Linux) http://www.ultraedit.com/ **Alternate Tool** Noteppad++ -- Good Text / Source Code Editor replacement for Microsoft Windows Notepad/Wordpad (free, open source) http://notepad-plus.sourceforg...
* VLC Media Player -- One of the best media players out there. Highly portable multimedia player for various audio and video formats (MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, DivX, mp3, ogg,
...) as well as DVDs, VCDs, and various streaming protocols. It can also be used as a server to stream in unicast or multicast in IPv4 or IPv6 on a high-bandwidth network. (free, oen source, Linux/Mac/Windows)
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My list from a larger list i keep
This list is part of a much longer list that I maintain and sometimes publish. There are few others, but some are more as needed special use cases. * 7-ZIP -- Create/Extra ZIP and many other other file compression formats, very powerful. Note can open some installer EXE and MSI files (see Microsoft Orca for more MSI options) (free, open source, Windows, there may be Linux/Mac variants). http://www.7-zip.com/ * CCleaner -- System optimization, privacy and cleaning tool. (free, closed source, Windows) http://www.ccleaner.com/ **Alternate Tool** BleachBit -- Free cache, delete cookies, clear Internet history, shred temporary files, delete logs, and discard junk you didn't know was there. (free, open source Linux/Windows) http://bleachbit.sourceforge.n... * Greenshot -- Good Screen Shot tool with simple annotation options. (free, open source, Windows) http://greenshot.sourceforge.n... * IrfanView -- Image Program View, convert, crop, optimize, sideshow, batch Processing etc (free noncommercial, closed source, Windows) http://www.irfanview.com/ Instantbird -- Multi Protocol Instant Messaging (IM) Client - AOL, MSM, Yahoo, etc (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) **Alternate Tool** Pidgin - Multi Protocol Instant Messaging (IM) Client - AOL, MSM, Yahoo, etc (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) http://pidgin.im/ * KeePass Password Safe -- Good Quality secure password manager, stores passwords encrypted. (free, open source, Windows Linux/Mac with Mono) http://keepass.info/ * LibreOffice -- Power-packed Open Source personal productivity suite for Windows, Macintosh and Linux, that gives you six feature-rich applications for all your document production. Excellent replacement for other Office Suites, can open many different and sometimes odd file types -- (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) http://www.libreoffice.org/ * Mozilla.org FireFox -- Web browser for more security then Internet Explore (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) http://www.mozilla.com/ http://www.mozilla.org/ * SpeedCrunch -- fast, high-precision and powerful cross-platform desktop calculator (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) http://www.speedcrunch.org/ & http://speedcrunch.blogspot.co... * UltraEdit -- Probably the absolute best most powerful text editors around, edit huge files, FTP, column mode, and more (shareware, closed source, Win/Mac/Linux) http://www.ultraedit.com/ **Alternate Tool** Noteppad++ -- Good Text / Source Code Editor replacement for Microsoft Windows Notepad/Wordpad (free, open source) http://notepad-plus.sourceforg... * VLC Media Player -- One of the best media players out there. Highly portable multimedia player for various audio and video formats ) as well as DVDs, VCDs, and various streaming protocols. It can also be used as a server to stream in unicast or multicast in IPv4 or IPv6 on a high-bandwidth network. (free, open source, Linux/Mac/Windows) http://www.videolan.org/
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Firefox is now far more unstable.
When browsing with many windows and tabs, the latest version of Firefox is far more unstable than a few versions back.
Is Mozilla Foundation becoming more sloppy? Is it bad management? Has the NSA forced Mozilla to add back doors?
Firefox crashes in the latest version, 27.0:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.co...
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Re: Sync
I switched over from Chromium to Firefox mainly because of how Firefox Sync worked back then - in the way that it encrypted your sync data with a secret that Mozilla would never know. Now, with the new sync that just requires a tuple of email address and password, I wonder what - if anything - they use to encrypt the data so they cannot know what I store there (which is a strict requirement for me to even consider any kind of "cloud"-y offering). Given that email/password is used for authentication and authorization only (I'm pretty certain they'll have a routine for users to "reset" their password...), I'm worried they'd left out the one thing that made Firefox Sync usable for folk concerned with privacy...
I have the same general concerns you did but am less trusting, so I set up my own sync server. Check out Run your own Sync Server at mozilla.com.
If you're technically inclined, familiar with general LAMP server management and have a personal linux server handy, it isn't that hard. There's a time investment up front, but once I got it running, it's been working flawlessly across several platforms and multiple browser profiles. I hope they deprecate the old sync behavior but keep it in place for awhile to give time to migrate to the new sync behavior. It's been working so well it's been "set it (up) and forget it" since I first got it running, so it will take a little time just to remember the details so I can migrate to the new server code (assuming there is even a viable migration pathway).
That said, the old sync that required the code to add new browser instances (ie. Firefox on another device or OS) was a little cumbersome, so making that a little simpler would be welcome. That would make it easier for other members of the household to manage their own devices without requiring me to set up and manage it for them.
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Re:Maps roads, Not Coverage
If they could get that out of the FCC database, why put an app on a phone and log this.?
After all, if you look at their map, they are simply showing where people were standing (driving) at the time their phone reported, and no tower locations are shown. Look here, https://location.services.mozilla.com/map#15/47.3771/8.5373 maximum zoom into Zurich. You have streets mapped, but no tower data at all. They are replicating street maps, not tower or wifi maps.
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Project is for GeoLocation NOT Cell Coverage!!
icebike, If you had bothered read the Mozilla Location Service Project Page, the goal of the project is to create an Open Wifi AP/Cell Tower to Geo Location Mapping Database, It's not meant to map Cell Coverage. https://location.services.mozilla.com/
This will allow the look up of rough position information without turning on the GPS using an OPEN DATABASE. The same thing that a few PROPRIETARY databases do currently.
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$4.1 million for 22 employees
22 employees get an average of $188,000, 3000 volunteers get zero.
https://static.mozilla.com/moco/en-US/pdf/2012_Mozilla_Form_990-Public_Disclosure.pdf -
Re:And this is impressive why?
According to the what-is-an-identity-bridge:
With Identity Bridging, Persona learned a new trick; instead of sending confirmation emails, Persona can ask you to verify your identity via your email provider’s existing OpenID or OAuth gateway.
In other words, it's just a way to make OpenID even easier to use.
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Re:And this is impressive why?
I believe mozilla can see what websites you are requesting, but they claim they do not retain this because they are not required to do so.
That could change I suppose. Clearly they have to have a list of emails that they can process, but not necessarily what sites you can use them for because they can just try to log in, and let it fail. Then go thru the authorization process.I like the idea of spreading the knowledge around so that no one source knows everything. This essentially puts a middle-man in the Auth process, but that man knows very little.
But I don't think this will work in the long run because someone will break SSL or demand the keys and the whole thing comes down.
Mozilla is just as much subject to NSA letters as anyone else. And since almost 100% of their funding comes from Google anyway, I can't help but thinking this is a joint project, or at least carried out with Google's full approval. But still it makes it necessary for the NSA to look a lot more places when building a list and checking it twice.
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Link to Mozilla Crash Reports.
I'm disgusted, also. I regularly get crashes. Some of them are reported, some of them cause the Crash Reporter to crash.
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No HiDPI support?
According to these mockups, all the sizes are pixel-based. One would think that with hidpi displays already coming out (including retina), they'be be designing vector-based and some unit relative to font-size or something.
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Re:Not google?
Wikipedia's article on Mozilla Persona (which links to "How BrowserID differs from OpenID") clarifies that. While the site you are authenticating to gets the same information it would get via OpenID, the authentication provider doesn't know what sites you are using. Due to the indirection of storing the cryptographic credentials in the browser, the OpenID provider doesn't need to be contacted for every login and therefore doesn't know what sites you are logging into.
This is related to the design of Persona being browser-based instead of web-based, which also provides additional security (harder to fake a password entry box if it's normally generated by the browser).
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Re:Mozilla has been in decline due to poor dev
When your personal evaluation is wrong there is every need to attack.
The memshrink project continues to deliver something very significant. Not knowing about it is no excuse. -
Last crash: 1 hour ago.
Firefox is the most unstable software in common use. One percent of the time it crashes: Crashes per 100 Active Daily Users
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Persona/BrowserID
what about Mozilla's Persona, could it be a real alternative?
At least gives power to the users and not to the websites...
https://login.persona.org/about
http://identity.mozilla.com/
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Mozilla BroswerID / Persona plug
This question has many parallels to "Why do all the browsers suck?" circa 2002. Similar answer: end users' interests are not aligned with commercial ventures, thus commercial entities fail to address the need. Governments, for similar reasons, are not welcome as solution providers.
Mozilla has a potentially gamechanging solution in alpha. It is inherently user controlled and FLOSS. It's also intended to be very easy to use by building user-controlled personas into the browser, allowing single sign in without revealing sign-in habits to a third party. Developers and testers welcome.
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They just improved the first time sign-up flow
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Re:FRAND is a red herring
Really? Tell me how Mozilla justifies paying on average $60Million for software development ($88Million in general salaries), bearing in mind that if all their 250 or so employees are only costed against software development, then that gives them an average salary of $245,000. Of course, rough numbers all based off the 2010 financials, and I low balled the calculations deliberately because not all those 250 or so employees are costed against software development...
Mozilla, long the poster child for open source, seems certainly to be in it for the money... I wonder how much their CEO gets.
Also interesting is the list of investments Mozilla has - hedge funds, corporate funds etc etc etc.
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Re:Where's the one on Apple?
particular browser? show me a browser that doesn't require Safari, and does rendering on device (you know, a real browser, unlike Opera Mini). Link to the Apple store please.
Show me one. Even one would be enough. I originally wrote a car analogy, but perhaps the words from an actual developer at Mozilla might help:
"I am a developer on the mobile Firefox team at Mozilla.
We currently have an iPhone App called Firefox Home, which lets you sync your Firefox tabs, history and bookmarks to your iOS device. You can get it from the app store, or read more here: http://www.mozilla.com/mobile/home/
We have no plans to release the full Firefox browser for Apple iOS devices. The current iOS SDK agreement forbids apps like Firefox that include their own compilers and interpreters:
“3.3.2 An Application may not download or install executable code. Interpreted code may only be used in an Application if all scripts, code and interpreters are packaged in the Application and not downloaded. The only exception to the foregoing is scripts and code downloaded and run by Apple’s built-in WebKit framework.”
Other browsers for iOS use the built-in WebKit libraries (like Skyfire) or do not execute any JavaScript on the device itself (like Opera Mini, which uses a proxy server). But unless Apple removes these restrictions, full browsers like Firefox are not allowed on iOS." http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/will-firefox-mobile-ever-be-released-for-ios-devices-no-blame-apple/10770
this is back in 2010, did something change? If so, show me the updated information.
You admit that other browsers exist (and use built-in WebKit libraries). Yes, you must use those libraries, but you CAN STILL WRITE A BROWSER AND SELL IT.
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Re:Where's the one on Apple?
particular browser? show me a browser that doesn't require Safari, and does rendering on device (you know, a real browser, unlike Opera Mini). Link to the Apple store please.
Show me one. Even one would be enough. I originally wrote a car analogy, but perhaps the words from an actual developer at Mozilla might help:
"I am a developer on the mobile Firefox team at Mozilla.
We currently have an iPhone App called Firefox Home, which lets you sync your Firefox tabs, history and bookmarks to your iOS device. You can get it from the app store, or read more here: http://www.mozilla.com/mobile/home/
We have no plans to release the full Firefox browser for Apple iOS devices. The current iOS SDK agreement forbids apps like Firefox that include their own compilers and interpreters:
“3.3.2 An Application may not download or install executable code. Interpreted code may only be used in an Application if all scripts, code and interpreters are packaged in the Application and not downloaded. The only exception to the foregoing is scripts and code downloaded and run by Apple’s built-in WebKit framework.”
Other browsers for iOS use the built-in WebKit libraries (like Skyfire) or do not execute any JavaScript on the device itself (like Opera Mini, which uses a proxy server). But unless Apple removes these restrictions, full browsers like Firefox are not allowed on iOS."
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/will-firefox-mobile-ever-be-released-for-ios-devices-no-blame-apple/10770this is back in 2010, did something change? If so, show me the updated information.
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Re:Drop the confusing pictures
Not that it matters, but I always thought the blue part of the FireFox logo is supposed to represent the earth, though with a coastline that doesn't correspond to any actual coastline to keep things neutral. (512x512 version here.)
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Re:/. no longer has an animated gif for Gimp?!!
No need for exceptions, png supports animations https://people.mozilla.com/~dolske/apng/demo.html
Excellent. I'm amazed Mozilla implemented this... last time I was looking at this, they were adamant it would not be implemented in Firefox because they didn't want to do anything that would increase download size, and since no one used it (for the obvious reason there were no implementations) they weren't going to implement it.
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Re:/. no longer has an animated gif for Gimp?!!
No need for exceptions, png supports animations https://people.mozilla.com/~dolske/apng/demo.html
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Ubuntu/Debian users, do not tick this!
If you're using Ubuntu/Debian, you don't have to block IcedTea - per comments on their blog, it's the Debian version of IcedTea, and has been blocked in error. The IcedTea maintainer concurs. Hopefully Mozilla can re-enable it
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Re:My solution Works most of the time
Mozilla forbids Add-on writers from putting it more than 2 major version numbers ahead. This policy worked fine when 2 major version numbers took years... but right now, that's 12 weeks.
Add-ons default to compatible since Firefox 10. See https://wiki.mozilla.org/Features/Add-ons/Add-ons_Default_to_Compatible and http://blog.mozilla.com/addons/2012/01/05/default-compatibility-is-coming-and-your-help-is-needed/.
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Re:You can go deeper than that.
Crashes per 100 active daily users, version 10.0, the version before the most recent:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox/versions/10.0
Version 11 is less stable. Crashes per 100 active daily users, version 11.0, the most recent version:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox/versions/11.0
Comparing crashes this way isn't quite fair. Firefox interacts with other software (plugins, extensions, injected DLLs) and it is likely that a new release will cause more crashes that a release that has been out for 6 weeks already because the developers of this software haven't tested or updated it to work in the new version. One would need to compare the current crash rate in 11 vs. the crash rate in 10 at the same point in the release cycle to come up with meaningful numbers.
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Re:You can go deeper than that.
Crashes per 100 active daily users, version 10.0, the version before the most recent:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox/versions/10.0
Version 11 is less stable. Crashes per 100 active daily users, version 11.0, the most recent version:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox/versions/11.0
Comparing crashes this way isn't quite fair. Firefox interacts with other software (plugins, extensions, injected DLLs) and it is likely that a new release will cause more crashes that a release that has been out for 6 weeks already because the developers of this software haven't tested or updated it to work in the new version. One would need to compare the current crash rate in 11 vs. the crash rate in 10 at the same point in the release cycle to come up with meaningful numbers.
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You can go deeper than that.
Saying things to make the subject go away avoids useful investigation. As usual, the money needs understanding.
For example, Mozilla Foundation is a rich, rich corporation. No one should make the mistake of thinking that work on Firefox is done mostly by volunteers.
But where does all the money go? Did you see $78.6 million worth of improvements in Firefox in 2008?
Did you see improvements suggesting that Mozilla Foundation had $168 million in assets in 2010? -- (Official PDF file, see page 2. Numbers are in thousands, as it says at the top of the page.)
Firefox is a world-class asset. No other browser has all the features. There is no substitute for the capabilities of Firefox together with Firefox add-ons. (Mozilla Foundation calls one thing by 3 names: Add-ons, extensions, and plug-ins.)
But Firefox is unstable. Firefox instabilities are experienced most frequently by those who open many Firefox windows and tabs, and leave them open while putting the computer into standby or hibernation several times. That is the pattern of use of those who do a lot of online research. The crashes and memory gobbling have been reported for more than 10 years, since version 0.9 of Mozilla Suite, before Mozilla began using the name Firefox. Firefox is still unstable even though the change reports for almost every version say there have been "stability improvements".
Firefox crash info:
about:crashes
Put about:crashes into your URL bar and press ENTER. Firefox will then show a list of crashes of the copy of Firefox on that computer.
Crash info for all users and all versions:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox
Crashes per 100 active daily users, version 10.0, the version before the most recent:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox/versions/10.0
Version 11 is less stable. Crashes per 100 active daily users, version 11.0, the most recent version:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox/versions/11.0
Top crashers, version 11.0:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Firefox/11.0/14
Notes:
1) The lists of crashes are ONLY the ones that Firefox caught and that were submitted. The lists do NOT include crashes that did't start the crash reporter. The lists do NOT include crashes that weren't submitted to Mozilla Foundation.
2) The crashes are often preceded by rapidly increasing memory use. Firefox often corrupts Microsoft Windows, so that Windows needs to be re-started. When Firefox corrupts Microsoft Windows it often damages operations in Windows that are not connected with browsing. -
You can go deeper than that.
Saying things to make the subject go away avoids useful investigation. As usual, the money needs understanding.
For example, Mozilla Foundation is a rich, rich corporation. No one should make the mistake of thinking that work on Firefox is done mostly by volunteers.
But where does all the money go? Did you see $78.6 million worth of improvements in Firefox in 2008?
Did you see improvements suggesting that Mozilla Foundation had $168 million in assets in 2010? -- (Official PDF file, see page 2. Numbers are in thousands, as it says at the top of the page.)
Firefox is a world-class asset. No other browser has all the features. There is no substitute for the capabilities of Firefox together with Firefox add-ons. (Mozilla Foundation calls one thing by 3 names: Add-ons, extensions, and plug-ins.)
But Firefox is unstable. Firefox instabilities are experienced most frequently by those who open many Firefox windows and tabs, and leave them open while putting the computer into standby or hibernation several times. That is the pattern of use of those who do a lot of online research. The crashes and memory gobbling have been reported for more than 10 years, since version 0.9 of Mozilla Suite, before Mozilla began using the name Firefox. Firefox is still unstable even though the change reports for almost every version say there have been "stability improvements".
Firefox crash info:
about:crashes
Put about:crashes into your URL bar and press ENTER. Firefox will then show a list of crashes of the copy of Firefox on that computer.
Crash info for all users and all versions:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox
Crashes per 100 active daily users, version 10.0, the version before the most recent:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox/versions/10.0
Version 11 is less stable. Crashes per 100 active daily users, version 11.0, the most recent version:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/products/Firefox/versions/11.0
Top crashers, version 11.0:
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/topcrasher/byversion/Firefox/11.0/14
Notes:
1) The lists of crashes are ONLY the ones that Firefox caught and that were submitted. The lists do NOT include crashes that did't start the crash reporter. The lists do NOT include crashes that weren't submitted to Mozilla Foundation.
2) The crashes are often preceded by rapidly increasing memory use. Firefox often corrupts Microsoft Windows, so that Windows needs to be re-started. When Firefox corrupts Microsoft Windows it often damages operations in Windows that are not connected with browsing.