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Disable-Output-Escaping
Well they certainly don't appreciate being reminded that they still don't support the disable-output-escaping feature of XSLT..
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Re:Looking for what??
That's not happening to me, however I am using the 2.0 beta, and each tab is closed individually, so although I can see where that is, I have the misfortune of not being able to actually witness it. ):
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Re:Sometimes I feel like a Luddite...
Thus I need to use a language that will "just run" on systems that I have no control over.
I think IronPython compiles down to CLR bytecode, so if you're shipping managed C#, you could just as well ship IronPython and nobody would notice, which is the entire point of this article in the first place.
However, whether or not you could benefit from learning Python is a decision only you can make. Python may increase your productivity 2-3x over C# or more (and that's fairly conservative, usually), but only after you learn it, which could be months.
However, if you end up always choosing the short-term expedient answer of sticking with the language you know (and the environment you know), you lose out on any productivity gain you might get from another environment or language; this is a general point, not one specific to this case.
In general, the "common environments" (Java, .Net, etc.) have the worst productivity characteristics, because anything worse then them simply dies. Anything that survives the overwhelming advantages that being one of the Big Guys gets you is generally surviving for a reason. The longer the survival, the better the sign, and most languages you've actually heard of have actually been around for years.
Again, I'm not trying to push you, just point out that for the costs there are benefits, too. I say what I'm saying because I believe (and see) too many developers trapping themselves in local maxima by always making the short-term decision. Ultimately, it's no skin off my nose.BTW you can build full real apps in JScript.
You can, but the lack of namespacing starts to get troublesome as you start trying to build libraries, or use the libraries of others. Later versions of Javascript, which JScript will presumably track, will help with this a lot. Although based on what I see, it's nearly learning a new language anyhow. (In fact, the next version of Javascript borrows a lot from Python; generators are basically from Python, array comprehensions are from Haskell IIRC but the syntax is the Python one, and the most main-stream language with de-structuring assignment is Python.) -
Re:So...
Mozilla is no more secure than IE anyway. Check it out. I reckon Ms Window will be able to use her experience to help them out quite a bit!
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Re:Firefox is not GPL!
Possibly you're right about Firefox...though you wouldn't have been a year ago. I use SeaMonkey, which is under this license:
http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/
Mozilla & Netscape Public Licenses
This page details the licenses under which Mozilla source code can be obtained. All of the code which makes up the core Mozilla products is licensed under a MPL/GPL/LGPL tri-license or a licence compatible with all three of those (e.g. the BSD licence). Other code in our repository may have different licensing terms. ... -
Re:Is the MPL the Mozilla Public License?
Yep, MPL==Mozilla Public License. The MPL is incompatible with the GPL because MPL'd code can be combined with proprietary code. FSF says that MPL has "some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the GNU GPL." To get around this potential problem, Mozilla licenses all of their code under the MPL, GPL and LGPL (a so called tri-license).
See MPL for more details.
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My tools
For batch changing I have found Advanced Find and Replace to be very effective. I had to update a none standards compliant site that didn't use CSS to standards compliance with CSS recently. The site had about 15000 pages at the time, if I remember rightly, but it was quite painless updating it with Advanced Find and Replace.
For HTML, CSS and PHP editing I use TextPad. A great text editor with syntax highlighting and other tools that make writing code easy. For checking the page I use Firefox with Web Developer plugin, Opera (my main browser) and, grudgingly, IE.
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Seamonkey (Re:Nvu)
actually, Seamonkey's editor has similar codebase pedigree, gets updated more often, crashes less and its GUI is a bit less of a pain... still quite basic though.
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Re:Scrolling tabs?
Actually the best solution according to me is to have 3 displayed lines of tabs, if you have more tabs then you can scroll vertically with either your mouse wheel or by clicking arrows. Works good for me, I'm using Tab Mix Plus + Session Saver so no matter what happens I always have my 80 tabs opened. Well ok right now I only have 39 but it's because the last time I massively closed tabs was just a few days ago.
However, you seem to talk about it as if it was an idea of something to implement, but as I said, it's there (you might like to use SessionSaver as well so you don't lose all of your opened tabs once you close/crash) and with it you can pretty much experiment all the different possible ways to do you mentioned.
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Re:Scrolling tabs?
Actually the best solution according to me is to have 3 displayed lines of tabs, if you have more tabs then you can scroll vertically with either your mouse wheel or by clicking arrows. Works good for me, I'm using Tab Mix Plus + Session Saver so no matter what happens I always have my 80 tabs opened. Well ok right now I only have 39 but it's because the last time I massively closed tabs was just a few days ago.
However, you seem to talk about it as if it was an idea of something to implement, but as I said, it's there (you might like to use SessionSaver as well so you don't lose all of your opened tabs once you close/crash) and with it you can pretty much experiment all the different possible ways to do you mentioned.
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Re:Tabs will be broken
You can add this functionality using the Tab Clicking Options extension. I rarely have any blank space on my tabbar though, so I added a button to my bookmarks toolbar using this other extension.
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Re:Tabs will be broken
You can add this functionality using the Tab Clicking Options extension. I rarely have any blank space on my tabbar though, so I added a button to my bookmarks toolbar using this other extension.
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Re:One question before I try this out...
You can make them work by unpacking the extension and changing the supported version or by installing the nightly tester extentsion.
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gcc on AIX incompatibility?
What's with this bug in mozilla, since getting gcc and vacpp to coexist in the first place will break things despite the best care taken to avoid it.
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Re:Firefox is the most unstable program in common
The 1.5.0.4 version of Firefox was quite stable, if the Flashblock extension was installed. The 1.5.0.6 version is unstable again. The CPU-hogging bug is back!
Instead of posting on Slashdot about the problem, report a bug in Bugzilla and find the regression window. Then the bug can be fixed. -
Re:cookies
Just get Permit Cookies. In your Firefox options, block all cookies. Then when you want to accept/reject cookies for a particular site, press Alt-C or click the little icon on the left of the status bar.
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Re:Tabs will be broken
Oh yeah, your question. You can disable the 1.x red close button with Tab Mix Plus.
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It is public already!!!
Here: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bonecho/
"Congratulations! You've downloaded or compiled a copy of Firefox 2 Beta 2. This means that you've volunteered to become part of the testing community. Helping out won't take much of your time, doesn't require special skills, and will help make the next version of Firefox even better.
Note: The Firefox 2 Beta 2 build you are using is NOT A FINAL VERSION of Firefox, it has been made available for testing purposes only, with no end-user support. If that sounds scary, you'd probably be better off with the latest version of Firefox that you can download here: http://www.getfirefox.com/" -
Re:This is INCORRECTI can certainly see Firefox 2 Beta 2 listed for download from www.mozilla.org. What am I missing?
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bonecho/releases/
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Re:Even better...
Install Tab Mix Plus, which has an Undo Close Tab feature that lets you restore closed tabs (10 closed tabs are preserved and available to be un-closed by default).
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Re:Really a step forwards?Let's suppose the user has (very sensibly) disabled scripting, how is the canvas element handled then? Would the user see the alternative content or is the spec vague? What precautions are there to prevent spoofing of chrome or layout elements?
Considering the general lack support for alternate content with existing (mis)use of images, flash and javascript, what steps have been taken to encourage alternate content with canvas?
Doing vector graphics in spidermonkey is a joke isn't it?
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Re:One question before I try this out...
When installing alpha or beta versions of Firefox it's usually better to have multiple profiles. This is absolutely necessary for a developer, but I think it's recommendable for advanced users who like to take early peeks. You can copy your old profile folder into the new one and you'll have an instant migration of saved data
:-).As I side note, I use Firefox 2.0 beta 1 with my main, everyday profile, and I haven't had a single problem.
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Re:This is INCORRECT
No offense, but have you ever tried to find the Firefox beta on the website? Perhaps if the beta page were made more accessible, the Slashdot developers would. Also, the fact that this page exists before release isn't helping things.
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Re:More like opera?
On some level, it's nice, but the one thing I prefer about extensions is that their feature/fix rate is fairly more frequent than Firefox's. It will be interesting to see where Firefox is 5 years from now.
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Bugs
There are a few bug reports about Firefox not interpreting CDATA correctly, but they are not confirmed. If you see a bug in Firefox, you should probably go directly to the bug database and make sure all the information about the problem is noted there if you want it to be fixed.
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Bugs
There are a few bug reports about Firefox not interpreting CDATA correctly, but they are not confirmed. If you see a bug in Firefox, you should probably go directly to the bug database and make sure all the information about the problem is noted there if you want it to be fixed.
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Bugs
There are a few bug reports about Firefox not interpreting CDATA correctly, but they are not confirmed. If you see a bug in Firefox, you should probably go directly to the bug database and make sure all the information about the problem is noted there if you want it to be fixed.
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Re:Even better...
You can install Tab Mix Plus for FF 1.5 and have it give you close buttons on each tab. Actually, I have it set up so "Middle click on tab" closes the tab. That way you get the even better functionality than the red X (since you can position the mouse anywhere on the tab and middle click), and you don't have red X's cluttering up your tab bar. But anyway, this is right now in FF 1.5.
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Re:cookies
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Re:cookies
You might look into CookieSafe, or a similar extension. True, FF needs a better way to handle it by default, but that's what extensions are for, I guess.
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Please use the mirrors, not the FTP site!
Please use the mirror infrastructure, not the direct link to the FTP site. You can get your builds easily at:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bonecho/all-beta.h tml
as soon as they are officially relased (which should be in a few minutes!) -
One of the improvements
Instead of ftp.mozilla.org, try the mirror page – currently it seems to list beta 1, but you should be able to modify the download URL to get the en-US beta 2.
One small area that has had a reasonable amount of improvement in Firefox 2 is canvas support – I've been working on a canvas-based FPS engine and get about 50% better performance in FF2 than in FF1.5, as well as lots of fixed bugs and memory leaks.
Most major changes (like the new graphics infrastructure that'll help provide hardware accelerated rendering, full-page zooming, HTML inside SVG, better printing, etc) are being left for Firefox 3, but FF2 seems like a solid improvement over the previous version.
The canvas is actually a nice example of progress on the web. After too many years with very little going on, the major modern browsers developers (Mozilla, Opera, Apple) are working in the WHATWG to add new features – it's a balance between proprietary extensions and W3C-style specifications, with browsers implementing features at the same time as the spec is being written and guiding its development. There's room for competition between browsers in terms of feature support, and we don't have to wait years for the standards to be completed first – but it's hopefully without the old problems of those features being proprietary and poorly designed. For example, Opera 9 supports much of Web Forms 2.0 and the Mozilla developers are just starting work on it too; and it's also designed to be backward-compatible, so the new forms are still usable in all browsers and can be emulated in some (e.g. IE) with JavaScript. Firefox 2 seems to be the first browser with client-side session and persistent storage, but web sites written to benefit from that feature will be able to immediately work with future versions of e.g. Opera that support it too.
With the popularity of trends like AJAX encouraging people to think about new ways to interact with users over the web, and browsers adding features to expand the possibilities open to web developers, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few years.
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Not released
Not released, don't slashdot their FTP server. Download it from here when it updates.
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Re:Firefox Too!
Firefox works the same way with the Stealther extension.
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Extensions
Steather works very similar to "Private Browsing" in Safari.
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Firefox plugin
There's a Firefox plugin that does the same thing. Stealther claims to do the same thing, but what I don't know is how well it really covers its tracks. A forensic investigation into a hard drive can easily reveal browsing history, even if one cleans his or her history and deletes cookies, etc. I have heard of a browser that actually "shreds" this information (similar to Eraser but I can't seem to find any information on this browser.
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Well, they aren't marketing it with MY dollars...
I tried to donate money to the Mozilla Foundation through a program at work. The Mozilla Foundation were asked to fill in a form to release the money from the handling agency (United Way), who claimed it was needed for "Patriot Act compliance"). But United Way couldn't get any reponse from the Mozilla guys, and I even emailed donations@mozilla.org myself -twice- to no avail.
Not saying I would have enabled another run in the NYT with my measly contribution, but I thought every dollar would count. Apparently not so - my donations never reached them. -
Well, they aren't marketing it with MY dollars...
I tried to donate money to the Mozilla Foundation through a program at work. The Mozilla Foundation were asked to fill in a form to release the money from the handling agency (United Way), who claimed it was needed for "Patriot Act compliance"). But United Way couldn't get any reponse from the Mozilla guys, and I even emailed donations@mozilla.org myself -twice- to no avail.
Not saying I would have enabled another run in the NYT with my measly contribution, but I thought every dollar would count. Apparently not so - my donations never reached them. -
Re:Keep Mozilla Simple
Mozilla isn't giving many details on the soon-to-be-launched Firefox 2, but Dotzler says there will be new features not found in current browsers.
What do they mean by "isn't giving many details" anyway? This isn't detailed enough? The beta doesn't help clear things up? Nightly CVS snapshots? -
Re:Keep Mozilla Simple
Mozilla isn't giving many details on the soon-to-be-launched Firefox 2, but Dotzler says there will be new features not found in current browsers.
What do they mean by "isn't giving many details" anyway? This isn't detailed enough? The beta doesn't help clear things up? Nightly CVS snapshots? -
Re:Keep Mozilla Simple
Mozilla isn't giving many details on the soon-to-be-launched Firefox 2, but Dotzler says there will be new features not found in current browsers.
What do they mean by "isn't giving many details" anyway? This isn't detailed enough? The beta doesn't help clear things up? Nightly CVS snapshots? -
Re:Wasn't firefox designed as the simple mozilla?
If you decide to stick with Firefox, looks like you could really use the Session Manager extension (with the bonus you don't have to have a seperate undoclosetab as it keeps a list for you).
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Mozilla Email Clients
When Firefox has its own email client from Mozilla as part of the download, I think you will see a new wave of people switching over.
Actually, Firefox only became popular after it was split from the full-on Mozilla browser. Now, that's only a correlation, not necessarily a causal relationship, but it's worth noting.
If you'd like a Mozilla email client, you've got two options today. The first is Thunderbird, a stand-alone email client intended to be a companion to Firefox. I use it myself, and aside from a few minor annoyances, it works quite well.
The second is to switch to SeaMonkey. It's based on the original Mozilla Suite, and includes both a web browser and an email client. But the underlying code is more up to date, and it uses the same modern codebase found in Firefox.
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Re:Keep Mozilla Simple
You can sort-of do this with Firefox Extension Backup Extension. This extension picks up all of your current extensions (and more if you tell it to) and their configuration and saves them to one archive, then on the new install you simply install this one extension and point it at the backup and voila your extensions are back the way they started. Download available here.
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mozilla marketing?
I think mozilla has great marketing! How can this banner not appeal to people of all political stripes? In fact, the people who came up with the black/white PSP ads for sony really ought to take a lesson from Mozilla's marketing team. Mozilla's ads are the most inclusive and harmonious i have ever seen. In addition to the imagery, the messages on the banners ads are great too:
Work and there will be flour!
That really communicates the superior nature of mozilla's product.
For the good of the code!
That red star really wants me to download the source code and compile my own browser. take that M$ and your stupid IE!
Man, these marketing geniuses really should teach a class or something. I mean what better way to promote a web browser to the masses than with a heavy handed political message endorsing a totalitarian government! brilliant! -
mozilla marketing?
I think mozilla has great marketing! How can this banner not appeal to people of all political stripes? In fact, the people who came up with the black/white PSP ads for sony really ought to take a lesson from Mozilla's marketing team. Mozilla's ads are the most inclusive and harmonious i have ever seen. In addition to the imagery, the messages on the banners ads are great too:
Work and there will be flour!
That really communicates the superior nature of mozilla's product.
For the good of the code!
That red star really wants me to download the source code and compile my own browser. take that M$ and your stupid IE!
Man, these marketing geniuses really should teach a class or something. I mean what better way to promote a web browser to the masses than with a heavy handed political message endorsing a totalitarian government! brilliant! -
mozilla marketing?
I think mozilla has great marketing! How can this banner not appeal to people of all political stripes? In fact, the people who came up with the black/white PSP ads for sony really ought to take a lesson from Mozilla's marketing team. Mozilla's ads are the most inclusive and harmonious i have ever seen. In addition to the imagery, the messages on the banners ads are great too:
Work and there will be flour!
That really communicates the superior nature of mozilla's product.
For the good of the code!
That red star really wants me to download the source code and compile my own browser. take that M$ and your stupid IE!
Man, these marketing geniuses really should teach a class or something. I mean what better way to promote a web browser to the masses than with a heavy handed political message endorsing a totalitarian government! brilliant! -
mozilla marketing?
I think mozilla has great marketing! How can this banner not appeal to people of all political stripes? In fact, the people who came up with the black/white PSP ads for sony really ought to take a lesson from Mozilla's marketing team. Mozilla's ads are the most inclusive and harmonious i have ever seen. In addition to the imagery, the messages on the banners ads are great too:
Work and there will be flour!
That really communicates the superior nature of mozilla's product.
For the good of the code!
That red star really wants me to download the source code and compile my own browser. take that M$ and your stupid IE!
Man, these marketing geniuses really should teach a class or something. I mean what better way to promote a web browser to the masses than with a heavy handed political message endorsing a totalitarian government! brilliant! -
Re:Keep Mozilla Simple
Fortunately, the suite still exists as SeaMonkey.
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wait a second....
Mozilla isn't giving many details on the soon-to-be-launched Firefox 2, but... there will be new features not found in current browsers.'" Click here to find out more!
I guess those crafty open-source bastards were hiding their secrets pretty well!