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There's a functional XForms installation available for testing for Mozilla and Firefox. It's a 150 kb single-click installation on top of recent (last week's) Firefox or Mozilla builds.

This link from the Firfox FAQ answers why that happens. It isn't Firefox's fault, but it is adobe's fault. If you follow that link, you'll see adobe pages load (on a broadband connection) in mere seconds.

How exactly does fixing the bug equate to refusing to take responsibility?

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about. If this is enough for me to claim I'm a developer (or even if it doesn't... I don't really care what trolls think of me).....

Here's a list of the source directories for Mozilla & Firefox:

accessible browser build caps chrome config content db dbm directory docshell dom editor embedding extensions gc gfx intl ipc jpeg js l10n layout lib mailnews modules netwerk nsprpub other-licenses parser plugin profile rdf security storage sun-java themes toolkit tools uriloader view webshell widget xpcom xpfe xpinstall

Of those, only browser and toolkit are exclusive to Firefox, and most of the code in xpfe is exclusive to Mozilla. Pretty much everything else is shared. There are not different "development teams". Developers working on the core (rendering, networking, the image libraries, etc) are working on both products, since those parts are shared. Other people work on the Firefox frontend mostly, or the Mozilla frontend mostly, or both.

Development is active in both products. It just happens that the Mozilla front end is very mature and stable, so it doesn't change as rapidly. That doesn't mean features aren't being added - I've added a few little things (some of which happen to be in Firefox, some of which aren't), and I'm not the only one working on it.

There are two kinds of fool: one who says, "It is old, and therefore good", and the other, who says "It is new, and therefore better".

Bugzilla blocks referrers from slashdot, so for your copy/paste convenience, the link above is pointing to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_for mat=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact& email1=cst%40andrew.cmu.edu&chfieldto=Now

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10002 2

I stopped being lazy though and just dug up the actual proxy address from the script and entered it directly in Firefox...

A lot of the new and fixed stuff (including the /. rendering bug) is already available in the nightly builds. I wouldn't install a nightly for Grandma, but they're definitely very usable by anyone of sufficient geekdom:

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nig htly/latest-trunk/

It appears to be fixed in the nightlies. I don't know why they would fix something now and then leave it out of 1.1, so I'm fairly certain it will be fixed in 1.1. Look here for the latest nightly.

I think it is in the 1.9 plan.

If you wanted to see the actual roadmap itself, starting at this /. article you had to wade through not one, not two, but three intermediate sites to get to it. Thanks a lot for not putting a direct link anywhere in the article, guys.

There's actually a bug in Gecko that causes the mis-render, and it's fixed in the code that will be 1.1. I saw this on the burningedge 1.1 fix list.

How about bug 217527?
They say it's fixed in the trunk build, but I think that it still happens to some /.ers in Firefox 1.0. It is promised to be gone by 1.1.

I noticed that all our website testers use it, except when they are specifically testing other browsers. I don't know specifically what part they use, but I'm guessing because of Venkman (link) It's available on Firefox now too I guess, but they've been using moz for well before firefox was ever released.

By contextual search, do they mean being able to dynamically (sp? too lazy to open another damned window) search a page that is active in your window/tab without the need to visit a seperate site to use a search engine? Or do they mean that you can use the search engine to select a specific page and search from within their site?

If it is the former of the two, I've got that covered with a nifty Firefox extension that doesn't crowd my view with a search box window, but rather places a the search box down on my menu bar. I believe that it is ConQuery, but can't be certain as I am at work and forced to use IE6 for all of my darpaintrawebnet needs.

If it's the latter, then what's the point?

Sounds like something that would make a nice extension in Firefox. I know there's a Dictionary one where you can highlight a word and get definitions, or the highlight/copy one... but this could be a nice highlight -> google search or something.

Or if it already exsits, anyone have a link? I don't recall seeing one at http://update.mozilla.org/

I know I should not feed the trolls, but I can inform you that Xfce works very well on OpenBSD, and so does KDE. If only Firefox could render Slashdot properly, but that is not an OpenBSD problem ;-)

Ads???? What are those?

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I do this for quite a few other pieces of work (the Gentoo handbook, PHP Documentation (in 21 languages, it looks spectacular in color), the Creating XPCOM book is even available in Plucker format, as well as many others.

These are not straight conversions, they require actual human eyes to look over them, test them, add navigation and other elements. For example, look at the Plucker version of the 9/11 Report that I did. I added a LOT of functionality that wasn't there in the original version. (I also put my pristine HTML source version online for anyone to read. You can see the additional features I've added in that copy).

I'll be making a lot more of my stealth works public soon.

When they're finished with the Slackware Handbook, I'd be more than happy to look it over, do the conversion, and provide it in a mobile format for our user community.

You do know that there's no netscape code left don't you?

You do know that your talking complete rubbish don't you?

The majority of the Mozilla code was written by Netscape employees.

Now I know what you mean. You mean that all the old Netscape Communicator code was rewritten. Well, firstly, that's wrong (things like NSPR and NSS are still kicking around) and secondly, most of the code was rewritten by Netscape employees.

While Netscape may not have written any Mozilla code since July 2003 (the fact that there is no Netscape browser division kind of puts a damper on that), it doesn't mean that they didn't make huge contributions in the first five years of the Mozilla project.

Go to bonsai.mozilla.org and search for checkins by people with netscape.com email addresses if you don't believe me. Or use lxr.mozilla.org to search for files that have Netscape employees as listed contributors.

You do know that there's no netscape code left don't you?

You do know that your talking complete rubbish don't you?

The majority of the Mozilla code was written by Netscape employees.

Now I know what you mean. You mean that all the old Netscape Communicator code was rewritten. Well, firstly, that's wrong (things like NSPR and NSS are still kicking around) and secondly, most of the code was rewritten by Netscape employees.

While Netscape may not have written any Mozilla code since July 2003 (the fact that there is no Netscape browser division kind of puts a damper on that), it doesn't mean that they didn't make huge contributions in the first five years of the Mozilla project.

Go to bonsai.mozilla.org and search for checkins by people with netscape.com email addresses if you don't believe me. Or use lxr.mozilla.org to search for files that have Netscape employees as listed contributors.

You do know that there's no netscape code left don't you?

You do know that your talking complete rubbish don't you?

The majority of the Mozilla code was written by Netscape employees.

Now I know what you mean. You mean that all the old Netscape Communicator code was rewritten. Well, firstly, that's wrong (things like NSPR and NSS are still kicking around) and secondly, most of the code was rewritten by Netscape employees.

While Netscape may not have written any Mozilla code since July 2003 (the fact that there is no Netscape browser division kind of puts a damper on that), it doesn't mean that they didn't make huge contributions in the first five years of the Mozilla project.

Go to bonsai.mozilla.org and search for checkins by people with netscape.com email addresses if you don't believe me. Or use lxr.mozilla.org to search for files that have Netscape employees as listed contributors.

You do know that there's no netscape code left don't you?

You do know that your talking complete rubbish don't you?

The majority of the Mozilla code was written by Netscape employees.

Now I know what you mean. You mean that all the old Netscape Communicator code was rewritten. Well, firstly, that's wrong (things like NSPR and NSS are still kicking around) and secondly, most of the code was rewritten by Netscape employees.

While Netscape may not have written any Mozilla code since July 2003 (the fact that there is no Netscape browser division kind of puts a damper on that), it doesn't mean that they didn't make huge contributions in the first five years of the Mozilla project.

Go to bonsai.mozilla.org and search for checkins by people with netscape.com email addresses if you don't believe me. Or use lxr.mozilla.org to search for files that have Netscape employees as listed contributors.

You need to get the Gcache extention for FireFox It lets you right click on a link, and open a Google Cache of whatever you right-clicked on.

Yes

The releases up to Firefox 1.0 were named after beaches.

I believe "The Ocho" and "Deer Park" are rivers, but this is a complete guess. Ocho Rios is a resort town in Jamaca, Deer Park is a Gulfside town in Texas, so maybe the theme is still beaches...

or maybe the theme is river deltas.

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.ht ml

Look in the summary column.

That kind of policy can ultimately, in the long run, only be a bad thing, and those who talk about the merits of a meritocracy should keep in mind that this is none. Quite the opposite: if it was a meritocracy, someone who'd contribute good code and prove to be interested in helping out and implementing/fixing things that matter to them would become a developer without any big deal being made.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if it really a meritocracy (or a project which really understood what free software is about), there wouldn't be such a clear distinction between developers and users, anyway. All that really can be observed HERE is a kind of "ivory tower" elitist attitude that will ultimately hinder rather than help; people seem to be afraid to actually have an open development process as soon as projects grow larger or get a larger (and, in particular, a larger non-geek) userbase, but I think Linus' success with Linux' development model shows that this is not a reasonable thing.

Ever wondered why Linux actually *is* more successful than the various BSDs, and why (for that matter) hundreds of Linux distros coexist in peace while the *BSD developers generally seem to be unable to even talk to each other? It's not just because the majority of people are more inclined to contribute to a project that not only is free but *stays* free; it's also because with Linux, when you scratch your itch, you have a good chance of it actually being picked up, used and included into their trees by others, ultimately even Linus, as long as you're willing to demonstrate you're actually willing to maintain your code for longer than a few weeks.

The Xfree86 vs. X.org schism is another good example: people used Xfree86 because there was no real alternative, but they weren't happy with it and with the fact that the developers cared so little for the users and instead chose to form an elitist club of their own, so when an alternative popped up, they started using that. Can you name a major Linux distro that still uses Xfree86 instead of X.org? There may be a few left, particularly those that are more conservative about these things (like Debian, although I haven't checked which implementation they use), but I think it's safe to say that the majority has already switched, and that this trend will only continue in the future unless the Xfree86 developers radically rethink their attitude.

As for Firefox (or Mozilla in general) again, I can't say I'm too surprised, though. They have had this attitude forever (if you ever reported a bug, you'll know what I mean; if you don't, check out bug 18574, for example), and I think it's reasonably safe to say that people are using Mozilla mostly because there's no real alternative (IE decidedly is not one, and it's windows-only, anyway; Opera is not free and has banner ads unless you pay for it, and Konqueror is integrated too much with KDE for some people's taste, not to mention that not running on windows means a good share of Mozilla users can't use it, anyway). As soon as a new, better browser project gains ground, Mozilla will find itself in the same situation that Xfree86 is in today. It may be less serious, since it's more easy to include two browsers with your distro than two X servers, but ultimately, it's adapt or die, and I think some Mozilla people (asa comes to mind, as do some others) will have to learn that the hard way.

It's actually being worked on now, thankfully, but only after it had been open for almost an entire 6 years, which I think is a shame. I like to bash M$ for not being standards-compliant in IE as much as anyone else (anyone else on /., anyway), but there are many areas where Gecko isn't better in the slightest.

Credit to whoever pointed it out, sorry I can't remember your username.

When Firefox developers won't fix important issues that would improve browser acceptance in areas like internet cafes, kiosks etc, you have to wonder. What company wants a browser that you can't lock down?

Damn phpBB tags!

There's a Firefox extension that gives you a popup menu for faster phpBB tag selection. ;-)

I will definitely miss that loading time (of approx. 2 minutes) of Acrobat Reater and that invaluable information on those 4573 (or something) patents that they have for one document reader software!

Use Ghostscript then. The GSview graphical interface is available for Windows, OS/2 and Linux (though I personally prefer gv there). It supports PDF and Postscript formats (PS, EPS, etc.), and can display, print and easily convert between them, and even convert them to raster formats, so it is actually much more useful than Acrobat Reader, while being much less bloated at the same time. Ghostscript and GSview are always present on my CDs with useful Windows software, along with OpenOffice.org (which can save as PDF, nota bene), AbiWord, Firefox, ClamWin and PuTTY, to name just a few. If you work with serious printing, Ghostscript is a must.

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Two words: Tech Evangelism. Submit a bug report. Round up other affected users. Track down site contacts. Politely complain until they fix it.

"I'd offer to supply templates, if I knew who to approach and whether anyone would be remotely interested."

Get the source
Build It
Report a bug on it
and contribute!

This is probably a good place to start.

"I'd offer to supply templates, if I knew who to approach and whether anyone would be remotely interested."

Get the source
Build It
Report a bug on it
and contribute!

This is probably a good place to start.

"I'd offer to supply templates, if I knew who to approach and whether anyone would be remotely interested."

Get the source
Build It
Report a bug on it
and contribute!

This is probably a good place to start.

"I'd offer to supply templates, if I knew who to approach and whether anyone would be remotely interested."

Get the source
Build It
Report a bug on it
and contribute!

This is probably a good place to start.

"I'd offer to supply templates, if I knew who to approach and whether anyone would be remotely interested."

Get the source
Build It
Report a bug on it
and contribute!

This is probably a good place to start.

1) Restart Firefox and go to Tools > Options... (Edit > Preferences... under Linux and Mac OS X), select Advanced and click on Tabbed Browsing. Then select "Open links ... in: a new tab in the most recent window".

2) Take a look at SessionSaver http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#sessions aver If you'll run into troubles during installation just go to about:config -> extensions.disabledObsolete and set it to false.

PS: more tips and tricks: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips

You can have firefox force links that open in a new window to open in a new tab instead.Look here.

As for #2... I haven't had many crashes of Firefox or the OS so it's not an issue for me.

Mozilla has done a tiny bit of html testing.

They probably need to ask the Mozilla Foundation because of the trademarks.

That is the toolbar that comes with the Web Developer extension.

From the download page, it looks like they're just offering a plugin that handles all the customization. Their download page points to here, and their plugin resides here.

If you're using Thunderbird or Firefox, you can block ads pretty easily with userContent.css ad blocking. The Mozilla 1.8/Firefox 1.1 code is even better, because you can apply styles to specific URLs.

Here. Now quitcherbellyachin'.

Thanks for the info, but next time please make your links clickable.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21752 7