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I assure you if Max ever managed to claw above their misserable market share then they'd see their fair share of viruses, same goes for Linux.

You mean, like this? Funny, apache seems to get less exploits than IIS, despite its much larger market share. How do you explain that?

Regards, Ulli

My God, are you dumb. FreeBSD's proportion is *growing* (at the expense of other OS's). Of course, not as fast as win & lin's proportion, but who cares. In the world, it's a fact that dumbasses are growing at a faster rate than smart people, since they make many more children on the average: this hardly means that smart people are going extinct (observing the logic of some GNU/fanboys, one could argue that the comparison is more appropriate than it seems).

FreeBSD is the only OS besides win & lin whose market share is increasing (here). IOW you're full of GNU/sh*t.

Netcraft confirms.....VHS is dead.

Apparently you work for AOL.

I remember when almost every HTTP server that they ran had Solaris on it. Now I'm seeing (netcraft confirms it!) that a few are now migrated to Linux.

Oregeon State

I think we all know what OS _that_ server runs!

SuSE Linux

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

Linux Apache/1.3.31 (Unix) mod_gzip/1.3.19.1a mod_fastcgi/2.2.10 mod_ssl/2.8.17 OpenSSL/0.9.7d

What's that you cry? If it had been patched and configured properly then Linux would be secure.

Darn. Shame it's the same with Windows.

Slashdot, a prominent news web log claiming to be News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters has claimed victory over the Gay Nigger Association of America (GNAA).

With GNAA's trolls resorting to stale material which was relevant for five minutes about three months ago and enabling anyone to cut and paste a press release using the Open Source philosophy has led to GNAA's demise. Netcraft confirms it.

GNAA's founder timecop was seen locking up the headquarters one last time. An unassuming outdoor mens room deep in the heart of Tennessee was once host to numerous sessions of blowjobs, anal and creampies attended only by homosexual African-Americans. I reckon I jest likes fuckin' girls. White girls. [note broken link] was the only statement given to the press at this time. Former lovers and Windows users Lysol and Roloffle were found standing at half-mast upon the sad but inevitable occasion.

Robert W. Malda shared his feelings regarding the event. Oog the Caveman (a pioneer of ALL CAPS == TEH FNY), The Glorious Meept, Trollaxor, The Turd Report, WIPO Troll, Recipe Troll even goatse had something to contribute to our forums. GNAA is populated solely by crybaby attention whores who wouldn't know a rpm if it bit them on their tender, velvety asshole which is barely covered by a fine mist of downy, pre-pubescent hairs. After a brief reverie Mr. Malda conceded At least GNAA uses valid xHTML instead of dicey HTML 3.2

About GNAA: GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) was a troll organization known for its cut and paste style of trolls which are written once every six months. It was founded in July 2001 by timecop, found its heyday with ROR JEWS DID WTC and slowly faded into the background radiation. Its namesake, a Danish humor movie, is freely available via BitTorrent.

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FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

Netcraft says they also have FrontPage(!), SSL, Apache, and Linux(no !). Must be a standard hosting package from Interland.

It's actually using wk2 / iis / maybe jsp.. my guess is that w2k is the issue. there is amybe no load banencer, etc. installed..

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?host=blackboar d.com

That would be quite a big zombie invasion. ;)

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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

Get a clue..

I must agree to something that Mozilla being free is misunderstanding. AOL paid (sunk?) amazing money to Mozilla. While JWZ hates them, they should listen to his comments which turned to be right. Who still hosts Mozilla.org?

Not Aol

People want to buy stuff from solid companies that they know of, and can feel certain that company will be around. Free software doesn't give that.

You mean like Novell? It also seems as if Apache has dominated their market.

Also when something goes wrong with it, there is someone to hold responsible.

If a developer was making money on the support contracts their customers purchased for the Open Source Software they were using, it's a huge motivation to the developer that they make that support experience completely invaluable so the user renews their contract. As it seems to me, that would be the kind of support a company would be looking for.

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

>I think some people believe it.
They should get a clue then! :)
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

They migrated from Apache to IIS (at least for their website) ?

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project (June 2004)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD (June 2004)
"FreeBSD has dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."

Bye, lamer, have a nice day. :)
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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

Who admitted what? Netcraft *is* accurate and of course reputable. And it says FreeBSD's market share is growing.
I still haven't seen your sources, though. Maybe they contradict mine.
Come on, make me happy: I'm just asking for proof that BSD's market is "dwindling", as you uttered. Am I asking too much? :)

So, what really gives an advantage to FreeBSD is (as can be argued from the *original* text) the fact that FreeBSD is a choice favoured by the operators of shared hosting systems.
Do you happen to know why? Are they zealots, or professionals who know very well what to pick? :)

Anyway, this (the original article) is the only recent report I found that explicitly talks about FreeBSD's market share, and it says FreeBSD's *gaining* it. If not to disprove your FUD, I wouldn't even have searched for it because people using BSD usually have totally different technical and philosophical reasons.
Now it's your turn to provide links for your "dwindling market share", "dying" claims.

Come on, prove me wrong: share with us your "sources". :)

Mostly wrong.

...the DNS directs us to a server operated by Akamai... Akamai's http caching servers run Linux, and so we report Linux as the operating system. However Akamai also forwards the http Server: header from the original server as part of the cached content, and so we report "Microsoft-IIS/6.0" as the web server.

You are apparently not bright enough to understand that share is a proportion. And BSD's proportion is shrinking (as is that of OS/2, AmigaOS, and other obsolete, marginalinzed operating systems), even though in raw numbers it's seeing an increase. The pie is growing faster than *BSDs piece, to put it into language you might be able to understand.

Not only the *BSDs experience an increase in raw numbers.
The *BSDs are gaining market share.
These are the most recent data that can be found about it (June 2003).
This means that, "to put it into language you might be able to understand", the *BSDs piece is growing faster than the pie.

The FUD you GNU people are continuing to spread is just a display of how your community is pervaded by rotten politics. You're using exactly the *same* disgusting techniques applied by the corporations you hate so much.
What's even uglier, you use them against the BSD people, whose only crime is to believe in freedom and liberty (BSD license) rather than communism (GPL license).
Nope, it's not far-fetched - sadly.

You are apparently not bright enough to understand that share is a proportion. And BSD's proportion is shrinking (as is that of OS/2, AmigaOS, and other obsolete, marginalinzed operating systems), even though in raw numbers it's seeing an increase. The pie is growing faster than *BSDs piece, to put it into language you might be able to understand.

Not only the *BSDs experience an increase in raw numbers.
The *BSDs are gaining market share.
These are the most recent data that can be found about it (June 2003).
This means that, "to put it into language you might be able to understand", the *BSDs piece is growing faster than the pie.

The FUD you GNU people are continuing to spread is just a display of how your community is pervaded by rotten politics. You're using exactly the *same* disgusting techniques applied by the corporations you hate so much.
What's even uglier, you use them against the BSD people, whose only crime is to believe in freedom and liberty (BSD license) rather than communism (GPL license).
Nope, it's not far-fetched - sadly.

Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project
maybe the troll has different sources?.. :)

And these are the oh so wise things you uttered:

Heh, a *BSD fan came back from the dead to mod you down. I'm sure there's an overlap between them and the Apple faithful--both stung by legitimate criticism and in denial about an ever dwindling market share.

It's weird.. it really doesn't look so "dying" to me.
Why oh why? I can come up with just 2 possible explanations:
1) I'm biased towards my favourite OS
or
2) You're a clueless troll, using the karma bonus to make his bullsh*t resonate louder.

I really wouldn't know which one to pick... it's really hard. :)

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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

I picked the articles about FreeBSD because it's the BSD "mainstream" version, and now I'm talking about popularity. Of course this means nothing about the quality (let's remember that Windows is the "mainstream" OS... ;). In fact, NetBSD and OpenBSD are usually considered on the same level of excellence.

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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

Looking at Novell's product line, they seem to be a dead company... or a totally restructured one from the past...

Better check and be sure first:

www.netcraft.com

Individual consumers and individual corporate shops can switch to a minority product, like the Mac (for consumers) and open-source tools like Linux, Apache, Evolution, and Mozilla for the corporate enterprise.

Your link does not show that. What it shows is that Apache hosts more sites than IIS, not that there are more Apache servers.

This survey is from June 2001, and shows physical server counts and what OS they run:

http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/index-200109.html

Look under the section titled Operating Systems used by Computers running public Internet Web Sites, June 2001

While it's 3 years old, the regular survey numbers are not that different from what they are today, so it's probably still relatively accurate.

Granted, this shows servers running Windows, and Apache does run on Windows, but at the time this survey was taken Apache on Windows was not a solid product and was not used much. Pretty much everything is either IIS or an IIS derivitive.

You state that IIS runs on more servers than does Apache according to a netcraft study. But you do not provide a link. Any particular reason?

Here is a link that shows that Apache far outstrips IIS. As to sheer number of servers vs hosts, well, that comes down to MS requiring a number of machines to do the work of one *nix machine. And yet, sites that use multiple Windows box, typically serve one web site and only count as a single crack even though all boxes were cracked.

Actually, yes. Look at them:

http://www.netcraft.com/Survey/index-200109.html

While this survey is from 2001, the number of hosts on apache and IIS are not too different from what they are today. The important part of the survey though, is the section titled: Operating Systems used by Computers running public Internet Web Sites, June 2001. Windows runs > 50% of the web servers.

People always misinterpret the Netcraft numbers. They list HOSTNAMES, not servers. Since Apache is used far more often on multi-site hosting servers, it has a higher percentage, but not a larger market share.

The claim is that windows gets attacked so much because it's the most popular... but consider the following:

Look at the different web servers in the world, and look at what percentage of them run Microsoft's webserver and what percentage of them run another system.

Now take a wild guess which webserver actually has the greatest number of exploits for it floating around. Anyone who pays any attention at all to their access logs on their webserver will tell you they get almost insane numbers of IIS exploit attempts on their webservers each and every day.

But Microsoft doesn't have the marketshare in the web server market to justify the disproportional number of attacks it gets, yet it's _CLEARLY_ in the lead for being attacked.

Conclusion: Microsoft's view that they are being "picked on" because they are in the lead is false. They are being picked on because they are highly accessible target that develops software that is easy to exploit, and Microsoft is simply too stubborn to admit that it has a real problem, insted amounting to blaming it on something resembling "jealousy".

What the hell? My Real-World bank gives me encrypted communications, works perfectly in any browser, although they recommend the lates version that supports SSL (obviously). Hell, they even say that if you're behind a slow connection, Opera would be the best alternative. The pages use Javascript, but don't require it. AND, I have a long list of one-time login passwords, complemented by a bunch of reusable confirmation passwords (that I could memorize if I really wanted, but they change with every list of login passswords). And the login ID is not connected to my name, my account numbers, or anything related to me, it is random, as far as I'm concerned. The server OS is BSD. So there. The only question mark is the server itself, Netcraft says it's running TANTAU Application Server/2.1.1. Googling for it doesn't return much, seems like a custom job... does anyone know what it is?

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Being able to read *other people's* source code is a nice thing, not a 'fundamental freedom'.

In october, the 3 topmost reliable sites were all FreeBSD (4th was either Net~ or Open~ and 8th was again FreeBSD).Read More

FreeBSD, Stealth-Growth Open Source Project
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD

Everyone is invited to a triple funeral for the BSDs. Netcraft confirms it.

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=oggtrial. nm.cbc.ca

Mirroring helped

Aljazeera was also down, per Netcraft

I've blogged live about Internet Load all day on my blog today

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They have one really nice server. Why would they need another? It's not like they have anything new to say.

According to Netcraft, Apache outnumbers IIS 3:1, and I'm making the (valid) assumption that most Apache web servers run on Linux. Let's also make the other assumption that most 24/7 machines are web servers (that most servers accessible on the net are web servers).

So, Netcraft has 37,620,349 Apache servers on-file, compared to 11,679,222 IIS servers. Mi2G has reported 235,907 successful breaches. First of all, to give you an idea of the sample size, that's 0.5% of all servers recorded by Netcraft! But let's give them that, since this is a sample of breaches occuring in a relatively short time period.

Now here comes the real news. 59,419 of computers recorded as breached are Windows, whereas 154,846 of computers recorded as breached are Linux (mi2g's numbers). Let's take those as percentages of all Linux [*nix] servers, and of all Windows servers. Looks like 0.4% of Linux servers have been breached, whereas 0.5% of Windows servers have been breached. So Windows is a little less secure, by my metric.

Now, this is a little unfair, because my assumption above (that Apache servers run Linux) is wrong. Many Apache servers that Netcraft picks up run BSD and could even run Mac OS X Server, I guess. Even taking this into account, the breach rate would be about the same for the two OSes (probably a little bit better for Linux).

What this doesn't take into account in terms of the Windows/UNIX debate are the hidden costs of an IIS server in terms of administration, virii, stability, reboot requirements, etc. the list goes on and on. It also doesn't take into account SOME hidden costs of Linux/BSD servers, but those are minor compared to the Windows annoyances (trust me, I know: I administer a Windows server, unfortunately).

That said, I do think BSD probably is more secure, and I use Netcraft's "longest uptime" as one of my metrics. To me, it seems the longer a site is on the Internet, the more statistical chance it has to get attacked. That ALL of the top uptime sites on Netcraft's list run BSD shows me that BSD is a pretty rock-solid OS for servers, that you can leave them out there in the wild for years without worry.

The real bottom line is that software that runs on UNIX-like OSes tends to be more secure, and this usually has not too much to do with the OS. For your box to have real security, the system administrator has to be smart (or the distro has to come with Smart Defaults, like I believe Debian does in the Linux world). The only real way to prevent security breaches is to be a smart administrator: to think ahead and secure your boxen before it's too late.

All this study shows me is that no OS is a "magic bullet," that breaches occur on unprotected machines regardless of your OS. No one blames car manufacturers/designers for stolen in-dash CD players if you stupidly forget to lock your doors.