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Artice Text (reprinted without permission) by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-06 05:58 · Score: 0 · on What the Candidates are Running

Is there any significance to what Web server/platform combinations 2004 presidential candidates are using?

As we swing into the thick of the 2004 electoral playoffs, it's interesting to see what kinds of platforms are running under the candidates' official campaign Web sites. Netcraft has a handy feature called "What's that site running?" that lets us see combinations of Web servers and OS platforms. So here's a quick rundown, in alphabetical order:

George W. Bush: Microsoft IIS on Windows 2000
Wesley Clark: Apache on Linux
Howard Dean: Apache on FreeBSD
John Edwards: Microsoft IIS "behind a computer running NetWare"
Richard Gephardt: Microsoft IIS on Windows 2000
John Kerry: Apache on Linux
Dennis Kucinich Apache on Linux
Carol Mosely-Braun: Apache on FreeBSD
Al Sharpton: Apache on Solaris 8
Joe Lieberman: Apache on FreeBSD

For what it's worth, the Republican National Committee is running Microsoft IIS on Windows 2000, while the Democratic National Committee is running Apache on Linux.

As of this writing, November 5, 2003, the RNC has an uptime of 4.26 days (maximum of 39.04) and a 90-day moving average of 16.91. The DNC has an uptime of 445.02 days (also the maximum) and a 90-day moving average of 395.38 days.

Draw your own conclusions.

Doc Searls is Senior Editor of Linux Journal.

Re:Biased Reporting... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-06 05:29 · Score: 0 · on What the Candidates are Running

The Libertarian party is proud to be running Linux/Apache.

Felix von Leitner "papers" ... cum grane salis by Triumph+The+Insult+C · 2003-11-05 12:20 · Score: 3, Interesting · on NetBSD Focuses On Scalability

I can really only warn of using OpenBSD for scalable network servers.

Don't use OpenBSD for network servers.

...again, I would advise against using OpenBSD for scalable network servers.

If you are using OpenBSD, you should move away now.

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/11/02/secur e_dog_hosting_most_reliable_hosting_company_site_d uring_october.html

LIES by morgajel · 2003-11-05 01:37 · Score: -1, Offtopic · on Microsoft Offers A Bounty On Virus Writers

that's why IIS has more holes than apache, right? because it has a bigger market share?

Sometimes that may be true, MS gets more attention because it's bigger...but others... it's just carelessness. IIS qualifies as a clusterfuck, plain and simple. So where do you draw the line?

Hosting by 16K+Ram+Pack · 2003-11-04 23:26 · Score: 1 · on Free Software As Nigerian Scam

Who paid for this?

Anyone care to investigate?

Servers, OS for top sites by KMSelf · 2003-11-04 22:48 · Score: 1 · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

Good point. So I ran some numbers for the top 100 English, and top 500 global, sites identified by Alexa

After collecting the list of sites, I ran them through the Netcraft What's That Site Running query page.

I normalized OS for all Windows systems, and trimmed the variants for webservers.

Results (partial as Netcraft query is still running):

Top 100 English Language Sites - OS

Total sites: 100

Top 100 English Language Sites - Webserver

Total sites: 100

Top 500 Global Sites - OS

Total sites: 418

Top 500 Global Sites - Webserver

Total sites: 421

I would have posted a nicely formatted quasi-tabular post, but Slash is dinking me for short lines and syntactic sugar. So you get pipe-delimited. Bitch to Malda.

Letter from a Princeton student by kbmccarty · 2003-11-04 18:58 · Score: 5, Interesting · on Free Software As Nigerian Scam

Amazing, something that actually made me de-lurk on Slashdot...

Here is my letter to this guy:

From: Kevin B. McCarty <kmccarty@nospam.Princeton.EDU> To: howard@princeton.edu Subject: Your article in Syllabus (perspective from a Princeton graduate student)

Sir:

I am a graduate student in the Princeton University Physics Department. I came across your article regarding open source software on Syllabus Magazine's web site, in which you do a grave disservice to Princeton University's reputation of technical excellence. Allow me to elaborate.

You say, with a tad of sarcasm:

"These folks [open source software developers] are some of the same great people who are supposed to be working for you anyway, plus a smattering of teenagers too young to work at Redmond, hackers, virus creators, and a menagerie of others with whom you will feel great pride in entrusting your IT infrastructure."

I am interested, then, in how you feel about the Princeton University web servers at www.princeton.edu running Apache, the most well-known open source web server. Apparently [1], Apache has more than 2/3 of the web server market share on the Internet, so someone must trust these people. Of course, the fact that source code is available for open source projects may have something to do with this trust. By the way, how many open source viruses have you seen? (Microsoft Word macros don't count.)

[1] http://www.netcraft.com/

You say:

"We may have to give up project planning, quality control, coding standards, accountability, version control, and support, but it's FREE and we get the ability to modify the source code ourselves, something that is extremely dangerous to do, was discredited decades ago, and few people do anyway."

Really? Who discredited the ability to modify source code? Did I miss a Congressional report or something? I apologize for calling you dead wrong, but in fact the Linux kernel [2], one of the most successful open source projects in existence, has been continually updated and improved since its first release in 1991, all by people with an interest in changing source code. These "dangerous" modifications have strangely made Linux and its BSD Unix cousins more stable than any release of Windows. The open source software development process is self-regulating: stable, good software survives, while low-quality efforts are ignored and drop from the face of the Internet. It is too bad that mediocre commercial software does not do the same, since it is too well-supported by people who will not consider using anything they are not required to pay for.

[2] http://www.kernel.org/

You say:

"We either pay commercial software developers, pay to build it ourselves, or pay the even higher price to manage and maintain FREE open source software."

I don't suppose you are aware of the existence of companies who provide support for open source software. Believe it or not, it is possible to buy a support contract from most major Linux distributors, e.g., [3]. It is even possible to ask (politely) for FREE support on open source message boards, such as [4], where you will usually get far more helpful responses than the standard Microsoft "Have you tried rebooting? Reinstalling?".

[3] http://www.redhat.com/apps/commerce/
[4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

You say:

"Another way to get free software is to have students develop our critical systems," and "You can also get free software developed by having your users develop it for you."

These are ridiculous straw man arguments. No sane system administrator would tell his/her students or users to develop their own softwa

Re:What are the chances... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-04 18:55 · Score: 0 · on Free Software As Nigerian Scam

Pretty low.

Netcraft says otherwise by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-04 16:54 · Score: 0 · on Free Software As Nigerian Scam

This says otherwise... If this dude can't get his own university to follow what he says, why are we listening?

Silly Howard... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-04 16:34 · Score: 0 · on Free Software As Nigerian Scam

Silly Howard J Strauss of 205 87 Prospect Avenue Princeton, NJ. I wonder how many calls you will receive tomorrow on your phone number of 609-258-6045. Your silly antics and sophomoric analogy will surely enrage many who have dedicated their time to that which they love. I wonder how many email's you will receive at your address of howard@Princeton.EDU I wonder how many will visit the school website running apache in search for more words of wisdom coming from someone of your power.

It's too bad actually that you feel this way. The free software community could use the expertise that you must bring to the table at Princeton. Take for example your web programming skillz and your ability to use the export feature of Microsoft Power Point to create a stunning web presentation. You will be receiving an email from me shortly asking where to sign up for your "Putting Your Stuff on the Web" Seminar, I am sure it will be well worth whatever fee you charge. I only wish I were on campus at Princeton to take one of your "Lunch and Learn" seminars, like this one on creating your very own PDF forms! Last, but certainly not least, I am amazed by your grasp of web friendly concepts such as FORMS, I will bookmark this page and reference it often!

Love,
Another who lives in a glass house.

yeah, who would ever use open source software by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-04 16:31 · Score: 0 · on Free Software As Nigerian Scam

certainly not microsoft.

i mean all of their serves MUST run windows.

why else would they have all of those highly paid programmers?!

er... hmmm....

funny... by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-04 16:23 · Score: 0 · on Free Software As Nigerian Scam

Princeton runs apache

Solaris? by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-04 16:13 · Score: 0 · on Free Software As Nigerian Scam

You'd think after having to work with Solaris he'd be overjoyed to switch to something like Linux.

MS by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-04 09:21 · Score: -1, Offtopic · on Microsoft Looks At Other Search Engines

windowsupdate.microsoft.com runs on linux: click

Microsoft.com by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-04 09:16 · Score: 0 · on Microsoft Looks At Other Search Engines

According to Netcraft, microsoft.com is using Linux servers. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.micro soft.com

Re:It's official! Linux is dead! by Nynaeve · 2003-11-04 07:38 · Score: 1 · on Novell Announces Agreement to Acquire SUSE

Dude, if you're going to troll, at least put some effort into it and spice it up with some links. Your ability to cut and paste is extraordinarily ordinary. How dry. Try this:

You don't keed to be Kreskin to look into Microsoft's future. Even a child knows that Microsoft is dying. All major marketing surveys show that Microsoft has steadily declined in market share. Microsoft is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim.

Due to the troubles of Santa Claus, scientific investigations and so on, Christmas went out of business and was taken over by Microsoft. Now Rudolph is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

The numbers continue to decline for Santa but Microsoft may be hurting the most. Look at the numbers. The loss of user base for Microsoft continues in a head spinning downward spiral. In truth, for all practical purposes Microsoft is already dead. It is a dead man walking. It's a fact: Microsoft is dying.

You could look at Netcraft's Active Sites Data by blazerw11 · 2003-11-04 06:18 · Score: 1 · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

Step 1: Please read article.
Step 2: Learn about Active Sites.
Step 3: Profit.

You could look at Netcraft's Active Sites Data by blazerw11 · 2003-11-04 06:18 · Score: 1 · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

Step 1: Please read article.
Step 2: Learn about Active Sites.
Step 3: Profit.

Re:Factual post : most secure server is NOT apache by javester · 2003-11-04 02:16 · Score: 2, Informative · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

B4 you blow a gasket, check it out yourself - Netcraft survey of www.army.mil.

And security thru obscurity is one strategy that does work - why heck! Even MS keeps pestering security companies not to release advisories until they get a peek at it first.

Conflicting Statements by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-04 01:25 · Score: 0 · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

Netcraft is also reporting that all of the web is running WebSite/3.1.13 on NT4/Windows 98.

Re:Microsoft running on Linux? by aDc_73 · 2003-11-04 00:29 · Score: 2, Interesting · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

Well actually I know that not everyone eats their own dogfood all the time:

HP using NT4

SGI using Linux

Sun using Netscape Enterprise instead of SunONE

Apple moved part of their backend from MacOSX to Solaris

My point was while IBM where encouraging other companies there are still using AIX themselves. Do they know which product they are pushing? ... On the other hand I tend to agree with Quazion's point ;-)

Re:Microsoft running on Linux? by aDc_73 · 2003-11-04 00:29 · Score: 2, Interesting · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

Well actually I know that not everyone eats their own dogfood all the time:

HP using NT4

SGI using Linux

Sun using Netscape Enterprise instead of SunONE

Apple moved part of their backend from MacOSX to Solaris

My point was while IBM where encouraging other companies there are still using AIX themselves. Do they know which product they are pushing? ... On the other hand I tend to agree with Quazion's point ;-)

Re:Microsoft running on Linux? by aDc_73 · 2003-11-04 00:29 · Score: 2, Interesting · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

Well actually I know that not everyone eats their own dogfood all the time:

HP using NT4

SGI using Linux

Sun using Netscape Enterprise instead of SunONE

Apple moved part of their backend from MacOSX to Solaris

My point was while IBM where encouraging other companies there are still using AIX themselves. Do they know which product they are pushing? ... On the other hand I tend to agree with Quazion's point ;-)

Re:Microsoft running on Linux? by aDc_73 · 2003-11-04 00:29 · Score: 2, Interesting · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

Well actually I know that not everyone eats their own dogfood all the time:

HP using NT4

SGI using Linux

Sun using Netscape Enterprise instead of SunONE

Apple moved part of their backend from MacOSX to Solaris

My point was while IBM where encouraging other companies there are still using AIX themselves. Do they know which product they are pushing? ... On the other hand I tend to agree with Quazion's point ;-)

Questionable by cscx · 2003-11-04 00:02 · Score: 1 · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

I find the article kind of strange saying that since Netcraft itself claims that NetSol's entire netblock is running Solaris...

httpd versus Tomcat? by ewg · 2003-11-03 23:36 · Score: 2, Informative · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

According to their platform groupings, they lump Apache Coyote together with Apache httpd.

Since Coyote is the Connector component that allows Tomcat to function as a standalone webserver, I wonder how many of "Apache" sites are running Tomcat versus httpd.

STABILITY! by Anonymous Coward · 2003-11-03 23:35 · Score: 0 · on Netcraft Claims Apache Now Runs 2/3rds Of The Web

check out the stability of apache too among the top sites list
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html
the OS choice is interesting too