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In Albama they use the bibical value for pi: http://www.nmsr.org/alabama.ht...

Great post, funny indeed! I'm not sure which subthread this comment goes in (it fits many), so.... my 2 cents.

The sad thing that I see about young-earth creationists in my age group (let's just call it +50) is that they all (speaking of the ones I've known and spoken to about this - and that's a lot) exhibit the following attributes:
1. They all once believed in evolution.
2. They got poor grades in science and math as kids.
3. They now believe in creation.
4. They no longer whine about not being as smart as those of us who did better in math and science as kids.
5. They propagate the meme as wisdom to the youth.
6. They are suddenly hip again, having the belief in common with the youngsters - and can brag about how schools have improved for kids now that they're adults.

My second father-in-law, a Baptist muckity-muck in his Baptist church deep in the Bible Belt, years ago wrote letters to correct a local school board from including creation in the curriculum - and succeeded - because there was a time that it was fairly common knowledge that Bible legends and book-learning weren't supposed to reconcile. The biblical story of creation was perfectly fine for shepherds in fields thousands of years ago, he would often say. And for those in his flock that insisted the Bible contained all knowledge, he'd walk over to his Model T and ask them where in the Bible it explained how to fix the brakes. And then asked them to take the owner's manual out of whatever they were driving and show him where it said how to be a good person. Back then, he said it worked every time.

There was a time when separation of church and state was SUPPORTED by the religious in this country (USA) - because they had the most to lose by the state encroaching on religion.

Attacking creationism and ID is not ever an attack on religion - it's an attack on stupidity.

The stupid people are using religion to encroach on the state. And it's no longer difficult. With voter malaise, all it takes is enough stupid people banding together - the religious right is proof enough of that.

Here's what this comes to, unchecked: One never expects the American Inquisition!

Become active and support the suppression in your state and local school district of stupidity in classrooms. Visit http://www.nmsr.org/ and may you be blessed by His Noodly Appendage for fighting for what's right^H^H^H^H^Htrue.

As an NMSR member, I feel that it's incumbent on me to point out that the case of Alabama legislating pi as 3 was a famous April Fool's hoax that still seems to live. The Indiana case was, as you point out, unfortunately real.

http://www.nmsr.org/alabama.htm

However their isn't any solid evidence for 'random mutations' producing POSITIVE benefits (what you mean natural selection yes?). The examples usually given for it are moths or human 'sickel cell' mutation. The Moths example normaly states that because of polution moths changes color but it reality all that happens is a particualar color moth is more sucesful and becomes more preverlant ... not an example of natural selection, as the diferencial aready existed. as for the human example it is VERY debatable if its a positive mutation.

so I can only deduce that the proper Anglification of the number would be "3.14"

"we don't have perpetual energy machines"

Hey, speak for yourself. These guys have been making them for years.

http://www.ftn.info/mainsite/welcome.asp
http://befreetech.com/feinfo.htm
http://howthingswork.virginia.edu/contributions/fr ee_electricity.html
http://www.nmsr.org/denislee.htm

Not to mention all the cool things bacteria have evolved to deal with our antibiotics.

Or the entirely new viruses which have emerged over the years.

I would check your so-called "proven facts".

>I have not seen any evidence that shows new traits having been added to a genome

Well then, you haven't looked hard enough!

Maybe someone at SCO ran The Bible Code on the Linux source and found the words "Linux, SCO, rip-off".

Such as this you mean?

No, seriously, who are these scientists and what is this evidence? Kent Hovind doesn't count.

My favorite example of a mutation producing new information involves a Japanese bacterium that suffered a frame shift mutation that just happened to allow it to metabolize nylon waste.

Well, not so good if you like to wear nylon, but good for the bugs who can now eat it...