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you should.

Good enough, didn't answer much of his questions as far as languages, communities, environments, market and so on though.

Also what about QT? 4.7 just came out:
http://qt.nokia.com/products/whats-new-in-qt/

Come on, slashdot used to be smarter than this. Last year iOS was going to be biggest, this year Android is going to be biggest, etc. See also: http://xkcd.com/605/

It has lost market share, but gained users (market has grown). This is without Nokia releasing any proper high end phones during that time. And who cares whether S-E/Samsung uses Symbian, their share was non-existent to begin with.

The 4 announced S^3 devices, and the unnannounced AT&T phone, will sell, and they will sell a lot. Did you have a chance to play with them? I mean for yourself, in your hand. It's easy to make a phone look bad on video. This is a nice review where the reviewer, an iphone4 owner, does not feel insecure about that and thus does not feel the need to go out of his way to bash it just because it is Nokia/not an iPhone: http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/09/23/nokia-n8-live-photography-live-qa-join-in-now/

Like he said.. "This is not your daddy's Nokia".

See also: http://www.forum.nokia.com/Distribute/Ovi_Store_statistics.xhtml
Does that look like it's going anywhere? And this is based on S60, which I hate myself. S^3 is worlds above that. Imagine what it is going to do with that, and with Qt, WRT, flash, and java apps, and a nice SDK.

iOS share will stabilize in its niche, Android will battle with WP7 (and people stop saying Windows Mobile, it's not the same thing all), Symbian will increase. Android is not going to take over the world, sorry. If HTC/Samsung for even one second think WP7 will bring them more, (and in terms of maintenance it is a lot easier for them, look at phones still being on Android 1.5, 1.6, 2.1, etc) they'll drop Android like a hot potato. No, Android also will not die, but it's not going to be the king either.

I'm guessing that your phone is a Series 60 device. IYDK, Nokia ported Pythong to their Series 60 platform

Let me support your case better: I have a Nokia 6620, that has a 150MHz TI OMAP-1510 ARM-based SoC and it can run Python. I once had a Nokia 6600 (which has a 104MHz ARM9T and discrete motherboard components, not SoC) and it, too, can run Python.

Nokia are still (perhaps barely) alive and shipping.

LMAO. "Perhaps barely alive". Uhh, okay, if Q2 2010 profits of US$870M on sales of US$12.7B is barely alive, sure, I guess.

Nokia drops flash...? Do you have a source for that...?

I got the impression that is not the case - http://www.openscreenproject.org/partners/current_partners.html and http://openscreen.forum.nokia.com/ seem to suggest otherwise.

As for Google, they're made it pretty clear that they're sticking with Flash - http://apiblog.youtube.com/2010/06/flash-and-html5-tag.html.

And maybe the reason other devices haven't destroyed the ipad might perhaps be because they haven't been released yet?

Their "Ovi Suite" (which is Qt4 based) does a lot on Windows, there is also an official application which runs on OS X which does great amount of OS X friendly media/photos/music syncing even beating iTunes as it can convert the selected media files to device even if they are in .avi etc formats (via ffmpeg embedded).

I think, they should port it to Linux, the light Application as Ovi Suite is more like a savior for Windows users. There is a pressure on them to port it to OS X (which I believe, it can be ported as it is qt4) but it will be a serious overkill. It is more like "lets see if you actually support OS X" pressure, not realistic and useful. I bet same people will flame them for shipping a heavy weight suite for OS X which already has all the software provided by Apple.

They have a serious PR problem especially with Mac/OS X users. I know many people who were absolutely amazed when they have seen that little "nokia multimedia transfer" as they didn't know about it. Worse is, they think "Oh Nokia wouldn't support Mac anyway" and they don't even check http://www.nokia.com/mac which includes OS X style support, e.g. without re-inventing wheel, plug into iSync/iPhoto/iTunes.

Finally, if you are happy with iPhone, there is nothing to change. It does do good job syncing with OS X but, in my setup, Nokia even syncs better. E.g. multiple Nokias (one S40, one S60) merging their phonebooks via iSync etc. I was really amazed that I didn't see iPhone when I launched iSync on my brother's iPhone for example.

I guess the N8 (which has good specs) which carries the "Nokia" brand and proudly powered by Qt 4, if it sells well it could be a game changer for already prestigious Qt.

They have to get rid of this negativity but they should do it in old fashioned way, not like their recent "Boss will be on Twitter, ask whatever you like" lame web 2.0 thing. For example, put (non animated, not talking!) ads to Mac focused sites, like "Did you know your Nokia can sync to OS X via iSync?". I bet they don't know that many OS X users doesn't really do a "step 2" when they see iSync doesn't figure their phones.

It's simple. Writing apps for blackberry and symbian is expensive, and developing for them is non trivial.

Your evidence for this claim? Symbian uses standard C++, with the SDK being Qt. Having recently started learning Qt for Symbian, I have to say it's one of the best application toolkits I've come across, and I'm tempted to switch to it for my Windows development too.

(Possibly you are thinking of the old Symbian C++, that apparently was a bit harder to learn?)

As for expense, Qt is free, and the development environment available on a range of platforms.

Developing apps for android and the iphone is simple.

For Android it's simple - but not more simple. For Iphone, yeah, you only have to learn a new language, and buy a whole new machine from Apple for it... not to mention paying Apple for the privilege of releasing apps on your phone. And you say Symbian is expensive?

Maybe if Symbian or Blackberry were to create a simple to set up dev environment, there would be more developers.

Golly, if only they had something like that. Yet even if this wasn't the case, requiring that developers learn a whole new language and buy an Apple PC is evidently not an excuse for not supporting the Iphone, so I don't see these excuses would be relevant anyway.

It's simple. Writing apps for blackberry and symbian is expensive, and developing for them is non trivial.

Your evidence for this claim? Symbian uses standard C++, with the SDK being Qt. Having recently started learning Qt for Symbian, I have to say it's one of the best application toolkits I've come across, and I'm tempted to switch to it for my Windows development too.

(Possibly you are thinking of the old Symbian C++, that apparently was a bit harder to learn?)

As for expense, Qt is free, and the development environment available on a range of platforms.

Developing apps for android and the iphone is simple.

For Android it's simple - but not more simple. For Iphone, yeah, you only have to learn a new language, and buy a whole new machine from Apple for it... not to mention paying Apple for the privilege of releasing apps on your phone. And you say Symbian is expensive?

Maybe if Symbian or Blackberry were to create a simple to set up dev environment, there would be more developers.

Golly, if only they had something like that. Yet even if this wasn't the case, requiring that developers learn a whole new language and buy an Apple PC is evidently not an excuse for not supporting the Iphone, so I don't see these excuses would be relevant anyway.

Step back! This is a job for Frankencamera. Run it on your Nokia N900 today.

OTOH having that Arduino board and a mess of wires attached to your camera does score you a lot more geek cred than photographing using an plain old mobile phone.

/greger

I thought Scandinavia was the center of minimalism. Why not try to make the same article about Scandinavian websites. Is it interesting at all or is this just as dumb as the article?

Here are some examples:
Scandinavian Airlines
Norwegian government's public sector portal
Dansih news
IKEA (Of course) (Choose your language) (Also, doesn't the Japanese version look more crowded, although it is exactly the same?)
The Finnish Nokia

The E75 was left out of the "free navigation package". As I said before, they have free maps but at least last week, they were still attempting to charge me for the navigation.

At least in the US, I can't seem to find the E75 on the list.

Yes, I read about it and got excited with the news, just to find out the E75 was not on the list. I checked recently, but as I wrote to the previous commenter there are people complaints about not being free for the E75. Although it seems that they are probably charging less than $40 now, but that's still for me to check.

I checked last week, and the E75 still was on the list of "no, you're not getting free navigation".

You may still check how other users still complain about it

Yes, but most smartphones aren't being held by their ANTENNA under normal usage scenarios.

They aren't? Where do you think the antenna is in most smartphones? See, for example, page 16 of the Nokia E71 user guide: "Your device may have internal and external antennas. Avoid touching the antenna area unnecessarily while the antenna is transmitting or receiving. Contact with antennas affects the communication quality and may cause a higher power level during operation and may reduce the battery life." Followed by a diagram showing both the top and the bottom of the phone as no-no zones. It'd be pretty awkward to attempt to hold the phone up to my ear while not covering those two areas.

How about paying $479? I'm curious if they caught wind of the attention it's getting and adjusted their pricing according or if it just dropped on it's own. Anyone know?

Personally I'm a big Nokia fan. Oddly - I actually have an E71x sitting in my drawer - I went back to my 2860 Slide once ATT decided to call the E71x a smart phone and add a MANDATORY data plan of $40/mo whereas with my other phone it's $10/mo for the same data plan. Go figure, eh? The most I used out of both is email, why pay for a mandatory "unlimited" data plan that I don't need?

Software and some hardware considerations put on the side (cpu, ram, i suppose), the cameras they have in their phones are really good.
I'd like to find an android phone that can take pictures as good as the N8. Check this one out:
Colors, focus, sharpness are really good.

http://admin.conversations.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/04062010253.jpg

I guess you haven't heard of the Nokia Qt SDK? It runs on any Linux, Windows and Mac. http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/

Color me skeptical; what are the chances this is not another overpriced "flagship" POS from Nokia?

I think Nokia's hype machinery has failed at least partially if you are tellimg me you haven't seen any specs, hands on's or rumors about N8. As moderately satisfied Symbian user I have good feeling about it. But I'm looking forward for the camera maybe more than the next person probably.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/08/nokia-n8-camera-2260-days-in-the-making-part-12/

No, the N70, N80 and every other Series 60 phone from Nokia are smartphones.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N70
http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-n70/phone-software/smartphone

That's not to say that someone, somewhere didn't make a mistake and tell you they are feature phones. But they aren't. They are most definately smartphones.

Here's the relevant link on conversations.nokia.com:

http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/07/legal-action-against-eldar-murtazin-official-statement/

It pretty much boils down to this:

"To be perfectly clear, we have asked Mr. Murtazin for the return of all Nokia property in his possession. As he has declined to reply, we asked the Russian authorities to assist us. We leave it to the Russian authorities to determine the most appropriate course of action."

My 2 cents:
Nokia probably doesn't give a rat's ass about the device itself. They want it returned so they can check its serial number/IMEI and track down the person who is continuously leaking their prototypes to Eldar Murtazin.
They have publicly stated that they are trying to find his mole.

Yes, we have to take a look at ourselves, and we are diligently hunting down the source of these leaks.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/one-of-our-children-is-missing/

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's when they actually lost all the "young, hip developers".

Not really. C# is the cleanest language I've ever coded in. It's the libraries that are fucked up: the .NET base libraries are basically the managed versions of the Win32 platform.

Compare Qt, which is built on C++ (their greatest flaw), but actually do magic along the nice library to make manual garbage collection look easy, and have an event system which is multithreaded by default. With Qt, C++ looks more like a scripting language (with the byte-level stuff available if you need it), which is exactly what .NET would have needed to do.

What in the hell are you babbling about? How does a snarky comment about Ballmer's on-stage antics turn into anything regarding C#/.NET/C++/Qt?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's when they actually lost all the "young, hip developers".

Not really. C# is the cleanest language I've ever coded in. It's the libraries that are fucked up: the .NET base libraries are basically the managed versions of the Win32 platform.

Compare Qt, which is built on C++ (their greatest flaw), but actually do magic along the nice library to make manual garbage collection look easy, and have an event system which is multithreaded by default. With Qt, C++ looks more like a scripting language (with the byte-level stuff available if you need it), which is exactly what .NET would have needed to do.

What in the hell are you babbling about? How does a snarky comment about Ballmer's on-stage antics turn into anything regarding C#/.NET/C++/Qt?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's when they actually lost all the "young, hip developers".

Not really. C# is the cleanest language I've ever coded in. It's the libraries that are fucked up: the .NET base libraries are basically the managed versions of the Win32 platform.

Compare Qt, which is built on C++ (their greatest flaw), but actually do magic along the nice library to make manual garbage collection look easy, and have an event system which is multithreaded by default. With Qt, C++ looks more like a scripting language (with the byte-level stuff available if you need it), which is exactly what .NET would have needed to do.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's when they actually lost all the "young, hip developers".

Not really. C# is the cleanest language I've ever coded in. It's the libraries that are fucked up: the .NET base libraries are basically the managed versions of the Win32 platform.

Compare Qt, which is built on C++ (their greatest flaw), but actually do magic along the nice library to make manual garbage collection look easy, and have an event system which is multithreaded by default. With Qt, C++ looks more like a scripting language (with the byte-level stuff available if you need it), which is exactly what .NET would have needed to do.

For the N97. Guess you didn't install it. Ovi Maps have been pushing out new releases on around a bimonthly basis fixing bugs and adding features; Free routing, public transport.

Now days I use a Nexus One and it is literally 2-3 generations down the line from the BEST Nokia has to offer

No, it's only just keeping up. Nokia's Linux based battery burner is the N900: http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

Total FUD.

Surely you mean
1 Go to http://forum.nokia.com/
2 Click "Download Nokia QT SDK"

Guess when this started existing? June 23rd this year. So you started Symbian development 2 weeks ago?

It's also yet another incompatible SDK. It's not the same frameworks. It also requires S60 3.1 or above, which excludes a gigantic number of existing devices.

3 Run installer
4 Regsiter as Ovi Individual Developer
5 ????
6 Profit

Ovi supported devices: Nokia X6, Nokia N97 mini and Nokia N900. Wow, that's a huge number of devices and I can see the profits just rolling in.

Total FUD.

Surely you mean
1 Go to http://forum.nokia.com/
2 Click "Download Nokia QT SDK"

Guess when this started existing? June 23rd this year. So you started Symbian development 2 weeks ago?

It's also yet another incompatible SDK. It's not the same frameworks. It also requires S60 3.1 or above, which excludes a gigantic number of existing devices.

3 Run installer
4 Regsiter as Ovi Individual Developer
5 ????
6 Profit

Ovi supported devices: Nokia X6, Nokia N97 mini and Nokia N900. Wow, that's a huge number of devices and I can see the profits just rolling in.

Total FUD.

Surely you mean
1 Go to http://forum.nokia.com/
2 Click "Download Nokia QT SDK"
3 Run installer
4 Regsiter as Ovi Individual Developer
5 ????
6 Profit

Qt can be installed on all S60 3rd edition devices, that is every Symbian phone sold in the last three years or so (source). You can put Qt in you application package. Symbian^1 devices got Qt with their latest firmware updates. Symbian^3 devices have Qt factory-installed.

I really hope that the Nokia Qt SDK will change the Symbian 3rd party developer landscape.
http://www.forum.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/
Disclosure: I work inside Nokia on Qt.

Might be best now to just target Symbian Qt (with Nokia doing even new LGPL'd Qt Python bindings)

S40 is not Symbian; makes one wonder who much you really tried developing for the latter.

And just use Qt... http://qt.nokia.com/products/platform/symbian/ (also, the dev site was overhauled)

Until recently you had to jump through hoops for all object construction and memory allocation. It was very difficult to write or use even basic algorithms that are compatible with both Symbian and anything else. See http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Two-phase_construction If you don't do it quite right, your code will probably still work in their "simulator," but will fail on the actual device. Remote debugging the simulator used to require two physical serial ports looped to each other via null modem cable.

Personally, I'd rather develop for any other platform.

Nokia doesn't seem to agree with you... http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/02/the-fightback-starts-now/

I spent countless hours in attempts to getting the SDK up and running for Symbian.

My programming experience with Symbian has been very positive. I bypassed the whole SymbianC++ clusterfuck and went to Python. Can't use it for a high performance game, sure, but all you have to do to start up is installing the framework on your phone. Your first "hello world" can't take more than a few minutes after that.

- Firstly there is S40, S60 and countless other types of symbian devices.

Actually, there's only Symbian. S40 isn't a smartphone OS and isn't related to Symbian in any way; and UIQ, Series80 and Series90 are completely dead. Symbian now is the evolution of what was called S60.

- Then there are versions to each of S40, S60 etc.

If you want to target any device that is on the market now (and that has been on the market for the past 3 years), all you have is the touchscreen Symbian^1 and the non-touch S60v3. Develop for S60v3 (or S60 3rd edition) and any Symbian device can run your program; develop for Symbian^1 (also called S60v5, or S60 5th edition) and any touchscreen Symbian can run your program.

Well Symbian has Nokia behind it, and they aren't a small company.

But I'm not persuaded it's all about the companies backing it. The soon to be released, MeeGo phones have Nokia backing too (as well as Intel) but I'm much more excited about that than Symbian. Having a fairly standard Linux stack on my phone is something I love about my N900 and I'm looking forward to its successor.

You don't need a google voice app, in fact you are better off without it. Skype for example is an extra battery-sucking application that works, but is superfluous. Google Voice is SIP-compatible.

The phones of the Nokia VOIP list allow input of SIP settings directly into the Nokia OS. This cuts down on battery usage in a Big Way. If you can avoid using Fring, Skype, or other applications this way, then you are better off.

It really does seem that as of about yesterday, Nokia re-vamped their entire web-infrastructure. (I think they are switching from a Lotus Domino back-end, to a Drupal infrastructure). The Nokia document I have known and loved, a chart of SIP devices, is now gone it seems. In its place is a new tool for the clued-in to create device SIP settings. I suppose Nokia went this route, so as not to piss off the wireless Telcos that are shutting Nokia out of multiyear consumer contract bundles.

NOKIA'S DO-IT YOURSELF SIP TOOL
http://www.forum.nokia.com/Library/Tools_and_downloads/Other/SIP_VoIP_settings_applications.xhtml

NOKIA CORP'S COMMENT ON SIP SUPPORT
http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/

(BTW, I saw a review of a Droid X and an N900, and the N900 still looks best, I think. Especially the keyboard; not to mention OS differences)

You don't need a google voice app, in fact you are better off without it. Skype for example is an extra battery-sucking application that works, but is superfluous. Google Voice is SIP-compatible.

The phones of the Nokia VOIP list allow input of SIP settings directly into the Nokia OS. This cuts down on battery usage in a Big Way. If you can avoid using Fring, Skype, or other applications this way, then you are better off.

It really does seem that as of about yesterday, Nokia re-vamped their entire web-infrastructure. (I think they are switching from a Lotus Domino back-end, to a Drupal infrastructure). The Nokia document I have known and loved, a chart of SIP devices, is now gone it seems. In its place is a new tool for the clued-in to create device SIP settings. I suppose Nokia went this route, so as not to piss off the wireless Telcos that are shutting Nokia out of multiyear consumer contract bundles.

NOKIA'S DO-IT YOURSELF SIP TOOL
http://www.forum.nokia.com/Library/Tools_and_downloads/Other/SIP_VoIP_settings_applications.xhtml

NOKIA CORP'S COMMENT ON SIP SUPPORT
http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/08/27/the-report-of-the-death-of-voip-has-been-grossly-exaggerated/

(BTW, I saw a review of a Droid X and an N900, and the N900 still looks best, I think. Especially the keyboard; not to mention OS differences)

I refer to the Nokia VOIP compatibility list a lot for times like these, and the URL that has always worked is (I hope the pages works again, soon):

VoIP support in Nokia devices - Forum Nokia Wiki
http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/resources/technologies/voice_over_IP/voip_support_in_nokia_devices.html

For clients, family, & friends, I always pointed out any Nokia phone on that list handled SIP natively. However it seems today Nokia is updating their site, and that URL is unavailable. I really hope the page comes back!

My own 'ancient' N95 with a 2nd forward-facing camera (needs Fring, but then I'm making skype-compatible video calls) does pretty everything the recent 2 generations of iPhone do. Only the newer iPhone shoots in higher resolution is all. But multitasking, SIP, tethering, and A2DP bluetooth (wireless phone/music headset), I've been enjoying all that stuff for several years earlier than Apple said I could.

My favorite app is SportTracker, which allows voice-enabled AGPS, or sans-data-plan then GPS navigation (that's 2 map apps, multitasking nicely). I can ride my bike, listen to tunes, a computer lady tells me when to turn, the music fades out softly for incoming-headset SIP calls. And I can upload my trip to Nokia's SportsTracker server, for social networking/exercise, w/ Gmaps, etc. Nokia is even coming out with a 15-20 euro bike-powered-charger; I can't wait. GPS wants juice. The N79 even records Polar heart tracking data, and uploads it along with any auto-geo-tagged MP3 playlist to SportsTracker.

The N900 _IS_ a linux computer, and I'll upgrade to it, or its successor, once my N95 dies, but so far, so very good. Nokia does great with software updates too; (over the ownership of this device, Nokia has impressed me this way; it is so much better than when it was new)

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I have a Linux phone from some unknown Finnish company.

Well, if that is his plan (from the description and number & type of messages sent - I don't think so), then he's a bit late...

Few links: 1, 2, 3, 4; plus IIRC that's not the only type of such service even from Nokia (at least in India, where local division cooked their own version), and there are many other. Hell, there is even software (running on a laptop and interfacing with supported mobile phone) for conducting polls or generally independent information dissemination / basic service on request. Or providing email via SMS. It's a dynamic landscape of production solutions. So...he hasn't heard about them or indeed does "IP via SMS"?
Or...look at menu position typically provided by SIM card ("SIM services"/etc.), there is a cheap, on demand information retrieval right there; basically since the inception of GSM.

And that quote doesn't really mean SMS is very cheap per se, in some stark contrast to voice & data; it means SMS is the most affordable (when used as intended, few messages here and there) out of all options.

Well, if that is his plan (from the description and number & type of messages sent - I don't think so), then he's a bit late...

Few links: 1, 2, 3, 4; plus IIRC that's not the only type of such service even from Nokia (at least in India, where local division cooked their own version), and there are many other. Hell, there is even software (running on a laptop and interfacing with supported mobile phone) for conducting polls or generally independent information dissemination / basic service on request. Or providing email via SMS. It's a dynamic landscape of production solutions. So...he hasn't heard about them or indeed does "IP via SMS"?
Or...look at menu position typically provided by SIM card ("SIM services"/etc.), there is a cheap, on demand information retrieval right there; basically since the inception of GSM.

And that quote doesn't really mean SMS is very cheap per se, in some stark contrast to voice & data; it means SMS is the most affordable (when used as intended, few messages here and there) out of all options.

Well, if that is his plan (from the description and number & type of messages sent - I don't think so), then he's a bit late...

Few links: 1, 2, 3, 4; plus IIRC that's not the only type of such service even from Nokia (at least in India, where local division cooked their own version), and there are many other. Hell, there is even software (running on a laptop and interfacing with supported mobile phone) for conducting polls or generally independent information dissemination / basic service on request. Or providing email via SMS. It's a dynamic landscape of production solutions. So...he hasn't heard about them or indeed does "IP via SMS"?
Or...look at menu position typically provided by SIM card ("SIM services"/etc.), there is a cheap, on demand information retrieval right there; basically since the inception of GSM.

And that quote doesn't really mean SMS is very cheap per se, in some stark contrast to voice & data; it means SMS is the most affordable (when used as intended, few messages here and there) out of all options.

Well, if that is his plan (from the description and number & type of messages sent - I don't think so), then he's a bit late...

Few links: 1, 2, 3, 4; plus IIRC that's not the only type of such service even from Nokia (at least in India, where local division cooked their own version), and there are many other. Hell, there is even software (running on a laptop and interfacing with supported mobile phone) for conducting polls or generally independent information dissemination / basic service on request. Or providing email via SMS. It's a dynamic landscape of production solutions. So...he hasn't heard about them or indeed does "IP via SMS"?
Or...look at menu position typically provided by SIM card ("SIM services"/etc.), there is a cheap, on demand information retrieval right there; basically since the inception of GSM.

And that quote doesn't really mean SMS is very cheap per se, in some stark contrast to voice & data; it means SMS is the most affordable (when used as intended, few messages here and there) out of all options.

The whole story behind Nokia "abandoning" Symbian for MeeGo is just plain stupid. This was supposed to happen since day one and it was well documented for some time now. Why is it breaking now?!

Anyway, the point is moot since it won't matter much for developers. This is the genius plan of Nokia and it strikes me that many here haven't quite understood it. By combining Symbian and MeeGo under the same development toolkit (the fantastic Qt) it won't matter much for developers since with minor tweaks of their code they will eventually target both platforms.

No other platform provides such capability right now, except for the awfully weak JRE.

Why not both?

So they essentially rediscovered WAP? Great work...

Also:
http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/11/05/nokia-life-tools-opens-side-door-to-the-internet-in-rural-india-and-beyond-via-sms/
http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/11/19/nokia-life-tools-a-life-changing-service/
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/07/ovi-life-tools-lands-in-china/
(and related on above pages)

So they essentially rediscovered WAP? Great work...

Also:
http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/11/05/nokia-life-tools-opens-side-door-to-the-internet-in-rural-india-and-beyond-via-sms/
http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/11/19/nokia-life-tools-a-life-changing-service/
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/07/ovi-life-tools-lands-in-china/
(and related on above pages)

So they essentially rediscovered WAP? Great work...

Also:
http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/11/05/nokia-life-tools-opens-side-door-to-the-internet-in-rural-india-and-beyond-via-sms/
http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/11/19/nokia-life-tools-a-life-changing-service/
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/07/ovi-life-tools-lands-in-china/
(and related on above pages)