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Re:No surprise because of the dosage
You either have not read the article, or have no concept of pharmacology (or, possibly, both).
The quantity of 240mg per day is meaningless. What we are interested in is: 240mg *of what*? Try taking a daily dose of 240mg of Foxglove extract; or Ergot infected wheat. I think you'll find quite a profound effect!
This particular study used "Ginko Biloba Extract". All well and good - but what, precisely, was extracted (and what was, therefore, thrown away)? From the manufacturers website:
One ton (1,000 kg) of the dried leaves yields only 20 kg of EGb 761® Ref.
contains approximately 24% flavone glycosides (primarily quercetin, kaempferol and isorhamnetin) and 6% terpene lactones (2.8-3.4% ginkgolides A, B and C, and 2.6-3.2% bilobalide). Ginkgolide B and bilobalide account for about 0.8% and 3% of the total extract, respectively. Ref.
Therefore, by my maths, this study used an extract equivalent to 12 gram of dried leaf per day; a pretty reasonable dose - certainly considering that the same company sells 40mg capsules of EGb 761®. More importantly, patients received a *standardised* extract; We're not talking about Holland & Barrett bargain cheapo tea-leaves here!
It's a rather interesting article. Rather less surprisingly, the manufacturer of the product used in the study has not updated their "latest News" section to include these results!
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Re:Or not..Neurons fire when a certain threshhold of other neurons are firing around them, does that mean they can "count"? It's an electrochemical reaction, not intelligence. All humans have going for them is electrochemical reactions in neurons as well (in terms of intelligence). If your statement was at all correct (which it isn't) you would be "disproving" intelligence in humans as well.
Research on fish intelligence is showing some interesting results -- here is an impressive video of fish swimming in unison in response to hand signals . Science is busily proving that fish are smarter than most people realize.
If you believe in the theory of evolution, which most Slashdotters hopefully do, this will only make sense -- learning, reasoning, emotions, and other forms of mental activity had to evolve through different life forms before reaching their highest expression in humans. If you didn't believe that, then you would have to believe that all of the human mental gifts just somehow spontaneously "appeared" out of nowhere. (or were granted through "creation" for example). -
sounds kinda like
sounds kinda like this http://nootropics.com/genes/index.html to me.
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Re:Smart is one thing...
How about here?
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Re:caffeine or bust
Cola? Yeah, I'd say you're old fashioned. I'd also say that's more of a "high-fructose corn syrup or bust", as the effects of the massive quantity of sugar will be more pronounced than the relatively meager amount of caffeine in most sodas.
For comparison, the average cup of coffee has 115-175 mgs of caffeine, vs 36-60 for a soda, making soda roughly 3 times as weak.
Source: http://nootropics.com/caffeine/faq.html
The jolt of sugar your body receives if you drink a soda on an empty stomach is also believed to lead to insulin resistance and eventually diabetes as well. It's important to remember that everything we do has health consequences, not just drug use. Just where do you draw the line as to what is a drug anyway? -
Re:PhosphatidylcholineNot quite clear, Phosphatidylcholine is a purified extract from lecithin http://nootropics.com/lecithin/
"The only statistically significant result was in favour of placebo for adverse events, based on one trial, which appears likely to be a spurious result. "
However, other results were;
"Alzheimer's disease sufferers have been found to have a lack of the enzyme responsible for converting choline into acetylcholine within the brain. Lecithin is a major dietary source of choline, so extra consumption may reduce the progression of dementia."
"The Cochrane Dementia and Cognitive Improvement Group's Specialized Register was searched on 15 May 2002 using the terms lecithin and phosphaditylcholine."
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Nootropics
Nootropics (aka "Smart Drugs") have received a lot of attention in recent years. While many skeptics remain, there are quite a few avid followers of the nootropic "fad". Two great resources for the beginner are Smart Drugs and Smart Drugs II, although a few issues have been pointed out by some people.
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Nootropics
Nootropics (aka "Smart Drugs") have received a lot of attention in recent years. While many skeptics remain, there are quite a few avid followers of the nootropic "fad". Two great resources for the beginner are Smart Drugs and Smart Drugs II, although a few issues have been pointed out by some people.
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hydergine also reputedly prolongs brain life
In emergencies, European doctors inject hydergine directly into the carotid artery to protect the brain. Hydergine's mechanisms of actions include the reduction in the rate of lipofuscin deposition in brain cells, increased metabolism of brain cells by improving ATP synthesis and protection to the brain from free radical damage. [1]
Hydergine(tm) [2] reputedly also prolongs brain life in oxygen-starved conditions, according to the c. 1980 book "Life Extension: A Practical Scientific Approach" by research Drs. Durk Pearson & Sandy Shaw; but apparently also has some risks or lacks (FDA-)sufficient testing for this use, so most U.S. doctors at least don't seem to know about it in this capacity [3,4] (anyone have any info about it being used in emergency rooms in the U.S. or Canada?). They wrote then that it was over-the-counter in Europe, but that seems to no longer be true [5]. I have never taken it, but you might think twice [6] before trying it as a nootropic [7], despite their apparent wealth of knowledge [1] and its league of enthusiasts [8,9]. I am not a doctor, but all of this leads me to wonder: has Hydergine been overlooked? And if so, why? (Because of scientists' perennial fears of ruin for appearing over-zealous??)Notes:
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