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Re:What about physical limitations?
So this is all good and find in theory where everyone is on fiber and perfect copper, but the vast majority of Australia is on ADSL2+ which has a theoretical speed limit of 25/5 and a practical speed limit that is very much dependent on each individual customer and not at all in control of the ISP or how much bandwidth they are able to allocate to you.
How are they supposed to advertise this kind of service?
The same way they do now, don't mention performance. For ADSL customers performance isn't a differentiating feature when choosing an ISP. That is in the pitch, then they offer a detailed page like Internode's that goes into a fair bit of detail and allows you to guess at your speed.
The target of this is the NBN resellers. Particularly dodgy operators which offer 100Mbps plans over a wireless link that they know maxes out at a tenth of that, or under-provision the backhaul so everyone is crawling along.
Of course you can't avoid that this is really about a political party that promised fantastic internet with unicorns and sparkles, delivered a mule with fleas and desperately wants everyone to blame the stablehand.
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Re:In-use vs owned/missing
You should pull and back up the battery backed up NVAM chips in those Sparcstations. There are documented methods to do that on the web. The MAC address of the SparcStation 5 in on the NVAM chips, which have a battery built in. There's a method you can use to 'shave' away plastic to expose contact spots on the NVAM chips and tack solder on an external battery. It's much easier if you do that before the battery is dead and you have to reprogram it (which if I am remembering right can be done in the FORTH-based setup environment of a Sparcstation)
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Re:Pragmatic choice
"(But read the fine print, it's 256k up, and absolutely worthless except for 'consuming' their 'premium' offerings.)" Rubbish. Platinum - 100/40 Mbps - http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/
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Re:Do other high tech countries have data caps?
Well to give a couple of examples of plans in Australia (looking at DSL plans, rather than fibre or cable):
Example of a cheaper ISP: http://www.tpg.com.au/products_services/adsl2-standalone
Examples of a higher-end ISP (generally better network/less contention/better customer service):
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/adsl_broadband/easy_broadband/
http://www.iinet.net.au/internet/broadband/naked-dsl/It's worth noting that due to competition laws, most Australians living in cities and towns have a LOT of ISP options. Not just the 2-3 options available in many areas in the US but typically 20+ choices of ADSL provider. The owner of the telephone lines is required to wholesale access to any third party that wants it.
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Re:Communicating with users of the same Service
telcos have a blanket policy of not letting home users run their own Service.
Sounds like you need to switch to a good ISP. Maybe one which will Stand for the users rights
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Re:More Flexibility?
Uhh... typical mac installer. Fuck package mangers.... want to move the app to a different disk? Drag/drop. No dependency bullshit to deal with. Can run it from the network if i really wanted to.
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Re:Erm.. NBNCo Fibre is a disappointmentActually we in Australia are becoming increasingly disappointed with the National Broadband Network (NBN), especially when you compare it with Google Fibre.
- * NBN is costing ~$40 billion compared with Google Fibre estimate of $150 billion for a Nationwide roll-out.
Now Australia has a similar land mass to the US, but less than 1/10th the population and is heavily urbanised. - * Google is 1Gbps for $70. Currently the highest NBN plan is 100/40Mbps with 1TB quota for $164.95/month.
1Gbps will be available in a couple of years on the NBN, but price is $150 plus data (100/40Mbps wholesale is $38/month so retail prices will be likely to be double wholesale). - * 50% on the NBN are predicted to connect at 12/1Mbps (page 64 of NBNCo Corporate Plan (2012-15)) at ~$40-$50 for 30GB month.
- * Current NBNCo wholesale prices are discounted, as per page 67 of the NBNCo Corporate Plan
- 1000/400Mbps falls from $150 to $90, while the average speed grows from 30Mbps to 230Mbps. So price falls by 40% while average speed grows by 7.6 times
- price of CVC falls by 2.5 times, while the data usage grows by 20 times
Sadly, too many people in Australia have read the "1Gbps Fibre announcement made during the 2010 Federal election campaign in response to Google Fibre Announcement. Very little investigation has been done to appreciate what is being delivered for fear that like other government initiatives, the delivery will be a failure. The reality is that for 50% 12/1Mbps will be what they experience and for maybe 25% 100/40Mbps with download quotas. The rich will have their 1Gbps connections subsidised by the national roll-out. Rather than revolutionary the NBN will be little better than current 100Mbps cable services. NBNCo are also focusing on areas already serviced by cable to re-enforce their natural monopoly and reduce competition.
The alternative would have been to release uncapped fibre speeds (everybody receives 1Gbps) and charge for data. This is fair as low quota users put hardly any load on the network, while heavy downloaders do. We would then have had something closer to Google Fibre and truly revolutionary. To quote Simon Hackett (Internode):
"They could charge that average to everyone, and open the ports up to full speed for everyone (this is my personal preference, FWIW)." post by Simon Hackett
Instead we have a fibre network where anyone downloading less than 5GB month (national average is ~20GB (ABS) is probably better using a 4G connection and ditching the land line. If we accept that NBNCo are correct in predicting that 50% will connect at 12/1Mbps, then based on the fact that 25/5Mbps plans are only $5 extra a month there is a significant number of people who may find wireless better value.
- * NBN is costing ~$40 billion compared with Google Fibre estimate of $150 billion for a Nationwide roll-out.
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Re:Why arent ISPs using WiFi for last-mile?
They are via WiMAX:
Enhanced broadband to rural and remote areas
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/wireless_broadband/fixed-wireless/terms_and_conditions/#Equipment
The "WiMax receivers and base stations must be sufficiently cheap" is the key.
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Re:That's like applying to be Canadian...
To accelerate the process there is actually a not well publicised side route. First step choose your state, Honestly for Steve Wonzniak I would recommend South Australia and Adelaide, as the ideal choice, his sort of speed and environment. Once state choice is made, you look for state sponsored immigration ie employment roles the state needs fulfilled for accelerated immigration. In Steve's case, not so much the employee but as an employer would very likely see his immigration accelerated weeks versus months or years (yep for the unskilled and un-needed, years).
Should he choose a metropolitan life style in the centre centre he can very likely hook up to broadband, http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/estates/. This is where the search starts.
So money alone is not the answer, knowing the accelerated means of immigration are. State employment opportunities, employer sponsored opportunities, family based and as always the marriage route. I was often surprised when dealing with foreign corporations, they would bring in a foreign expert for a few months and you would work through the project. The next thing you know a few months after the project ends, the foreign expert contacts you from different company, you find out they used that temporary employment visa to extend into permanent migration and quit their original company because there were no permanent positions available. The weather gets them, snow is great for holidays but living in it can be a pain.
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Re:cost?
So far the NBN has been pretty hideous cost wise as the increased speed for many is simply not worth the significant increase in cost
You mean like how internode's 25/5 NBN entry level plan (30Gb quota) is $5 cheaper than their equivalent Naked ADSL plan and their 300Gb quota plan is $15 cheaper than Naked ADSL.
And iiNet's 100Gb (Peak) + 100Gb (Off Peak) 25/5 plan is $5 cheaper than their 100Gb (any time) Naked ADSL plan, for more quota, and 500Gb+500Gb 25/5 NBN is cheaper than 400Gb Naked ADSL.
iPrimus's NBN plans aren't particularly competitive - their 25/2 plans are $10 more expensive than their equivalent naked ADSL plans (unless you "bundle" with an expensive VOIP phone service) and around $5 more expensive than the Internode & iiNet NBN plans, but their 12/1 plans are the same price as their Naked ADSL, so you can switch to NBN with no change in cost (but potentially slower speeds, depending on the length&quality of your current copper)
So what's this "hideous" cost you speak of?
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Re:cost?
So far the NBN has been pretty hideous cost wise as the increased speed for many is simply not worth the significant increase in cost
You mean like how internode's 25/5 NBN entry level plan (30Gb quota) is $5 cheaper than their equivalent Naked ADSL plan and their 300Gb quota plan is $15 cheaper than Naked ADSL.
And iiNet's 100Gb (Peak) + 100Gb (Off Peak) 25/5 plan is $5 cheaper than their 100Gb (any time) Naked ADSL plan, for more quota, and 500Gb+500Gb 25/5 NBN is cheaper than 400Gb Naked ADSL.
iPrimus's NBN plans aren't particularly competitive - their 25/2 plans are $10 more expensive than their equivalent naked ADSL plans (unless you "bundle" with an expensive VOIP phone service) and around $5 more expensive than the Internode & iiNet NBN plans, but their 12/1 plans are the same price as their Naked ADSL, so you can switch to NBN with no change in cost (but potentially slower speeds, depending on the length&quality of your current copper)
So what's this "hideous" cost you speak of?
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I've been using native IPv6 for well over a year
My ISP (Internode) has been providing opt-in dual-stack support for at least a couple of years, and enabled it by default for all new customers in January. Internode currently have about 2% of their customer base on IPv6.
Note: if you go to that page and the logo is spinning, it means you've connected via IPv6.
I get a static
/56 prefix (earlier when it was still considered a trial they gave a /64 that could change when you lost ADSL connection). My router (Billion 7800N) acts as a DHCPv6 server and everything is hunkey-dory except for one minor quibble - the router advertises the upstream DNSv6 servers instead of itself, so if you've done static MAC->IPv4 mapping in the router they won't be returned when a DNSv6 request is made. The fix there is to manually set the link-local address of the router as the DNSv6 server on each of the machines. -
Re:Features
I'd expect to see ISP wide NAT deployed before IPv6.
Too late. Although they default the configuration of the modems they ship to having IPv6 disabled, this will soon not be the case. So when that happens and you sign up to this ISP and buy a modem along with it, you'll get IPv6 by default. -
Re:No singing or dancing...
Wow, what a fucking joke, touted as a 100Mbit network, yet the cheapest plan with a reasonable cap is still almost $100 at that speed.
Did you even compare the ADSL prices at all? This is Internode here, they're a premium provider (not cheap).
ADSL2+ (24Mbps down maximum, usually less if you don't live next door to the exchange) for 300GB/Month: $79.95
NBN Fibre 25/5Mbps: $74.95Wow, would you look at that. It's cheaper. Let's boost speed though:
NBN Fibre 100/40Mbps: $94.95
Holy fuck is that cheap, $20 extra for 4x the down bandwidth and 8x the up bandwidth?But then again, it's Conroy and the Labor party's baby, so can't expect to actually be told the truth. Practically counting down the days until that pond scum and his cronies are out of office.
Conroy is scum, his censorship plan and great firewall was garbage but Abbot is just as bad, all he did was sniff the wind clearly wanting to support it but not willing to stand against the public backlash. This smacks of Liberal partisanship, "Labor can't do anything right" so you want the NBN to be bad, facts be damned. I'm not going to get upset over investment in national infrastructure, there are plenty of other things to be annoyed about other than stuff that actually has a good chance of paying back massively in GDP over a few decades.
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Re:No singing or dancing...
Wow, what a fucking joke, touted as a 100Mbit network, yet the cheapest plan with a reasonable cap is still almost $100 at that speed.
Did you even compare the ADSL prices at all? This is Internode here, they're a premium provider (not cheap).
ADSL2+ (24Mbps down maximum, usually less if you don't live next door to the exchange) for 300GB/Month: $79.95
NBN Fibre 25/5Mbps: $74.95Wow, would you look at that. It's cheaper. Let's boost speed though:
NBN Fibre 100/40Mbps: $94.95
Holy fuck is that cheap, $20 extra for 4x the down bandwidth and 8x the up bandwidth?But then again, it's Conroy and the Labor party's baby, so can't expect to actually be told the truth. Practically counting down the days until that pond scum and his cronies are out of office.
Conroy is scum, his censorship plan and great firewall was garbage but Abbot is just as bad, all he did was sniff the wind clearly wanting to support it but not willing to stand against the public backlash. This smacks of Liberal partisanship, "Labor can't do anything right" so you want the NBN to be bad, facts be damned. I'm not going to get upset over investment in national infrastructure, there are plenty of other things to be annoyed about other than stuff that actually has a good chance of paying back massively in GDP over a few decades.
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Re:No singing or dancing...
it is at current dsl prices
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iiNet is our second biggest ISP!
Owing to its smaller size and more limited resources, iiNet was gauged the perfect candidate.
According to Wikipedia iiNet is out second largest ISP these days, and are doing pretty well considering they just bought Internode for $105. They've been fighting for the user for a while now, and recently did just win against AFACT.
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Re:IPv6 and Unicorns
internode already offer native IPv6, and have for a number of years now. In Australia...
Unfortunately Internode don't have unicorns. You can however have a NodePony.
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Re:Bingo
You must have a really crappy ISP if they're renumbering their IPv6 subnets.
My ISP (Internode) gives me a static
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Re:IPv6 and Unicorns
My ISP does IPv6. Not just a tunnel either - proper, native IPv6 (dual stacked) and has done so for the best part of the last two years. It's not particularly common yet, you're right, but it's far from non-existent. (And yes it's a normal, residential/consumer ISP - Internode)
Doesn't make any real difference to using the net, of course. Don't even remember I'm using it half the time until I see IPv6 addresses reported in various software, or when I'm pinging stuff:
C:\>ping www.google.com
Pinging www.l.google.com [2404:6800:4006:802::1014] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 2404:6800:4006:802::1014: time=11ms
Reply from 2404:6800:4006:802::1014: time=11ms
Reply from 2404:6800:4006:802::1014: time=10ms
Reply from 2404:6800:4006:802::1014: time=11ms ... -
Aussie ISP Internode is a sponsor
http://www.internode.on.net/news/2011/09/247.php
Makes the 1% of me feel better that when I am surfing I'm green about it...
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Tesla 501km range
In the Global Green Challenge 2009 (sister event), Simon Hackett drove a world record distance of 501km. You can read about it on the internode blog. Internode are sponsoring the World Solar Challenge this year, but no Tesla
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Tesla 501km range
In the Global Green Challenge 2009 (sister event), Simon Hackett drove a world record distance of 501km. You can read about it on the internode blog. Internode are sponsoring the World Solar Challenge this year, but no Tesla
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Re:you have got to be joking!
our government puts so many regulations and restrictions and outdated devices in most things they do that is will start well below it's potential and won't reach it's potential till it gets privatised.
Why theorise, it's not like you can't see the plans already?
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/Looks like current top offering will be 100/40, and that the initial limitation will be down to the end-user router. Hint; professional grade routers 'aint cheap.
"High - 100/40 Mbps - which means that the theoretical peak download speed is 100 Megabits per second, and the theoretical peak upload speed is 40 Megabits per second.This is a professional grade service, and you'll need a professional grade router to get the full benefit from it."
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/performance/
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Re:you have got to be joking!
our government puts so many regulations and restrictions and outdated devices in most things they do that is will start well below it's potential and won't reach it's potential till it gets privatised.
Why theorise, it's not like you can't see the plans already?
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/Looks like current top offering will be 100/40, and that the initial limitation will be down to the end-user router. Hint; professional grade routers 'aint cheap.
"High - 100/40 Mbps - which means that the theoretical peak download speed is 100 Megabits per second, and the theoretical peak upload speed is 40 Megabits per second.This is a professional grade service, and you'll need a professional grade router to get the full benefit from it."
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/performance/
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Re:Think harder...
Yes read what was done in Australia with wimax http://www.internode.on.net/news/2008/01/71.php
"“With good line of sight, we are achieving speeds as fast as six megs per second at distances up to 30km from the base station. This is not a theoretical result – it’s a real world outcome."
(30km is near 18.6 miles)
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Re:Which would be great
The caps in Australia aren't that onerous anymore. Add to that that ISPs have mirrors that don't count towards the quota (eg. most open-source stuff, game updates, video, Steam content servers, etc.), and it really isn't that big a deal.
The alternative would be to be limited by congestion, which at least in my experience is practically nonexistent. Similarly, there is no incentive for providers to try to reduce usage of streaming video and Bittorrent, since the heavy users are paying a premium and there is no desire for them to switch to cheaper plans.
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Re:I'm using it
Hi,
I live in Australia. My ISP is Internode.
The modem/router I use is an FritzBox 7390. It's quite a new model
... however for the previous few years I was using a Billion 7404VNPX which also now supports IPv6 (via a recent firmware update).Apologies for my inaccurate terminology re prefix delegation. I'm new to all this and not a particular expert in networking. The fact sheet from my ISP about IPv6 says, verbatim:
What will [connecting to the IPv6 trial] give me?
* Your existing IPv4 address (if static) and route(s)
* A dual-stack IPv4/IPv6 PPP session
* A dynamic /64 IPv6 prefix for your PPP session
* A stable /60 IPv6 prefix for your LAN (if you are using a router with Prefix Delegation)Your IPv6 Access Device/router should assign
/64 subnets to it's interfaces after it obtains a DHCPv6 PD lease. It should then offer the prefix to your hosts via IPv6 Stateless Address Autoconfiguration. In more complicated setups you may choose to use DHCPv6 as well.Currently the addresses assigned via Prefix Delegation for your LAN will be stable (not dynamic).
Hopefully this answers some of your questions. It seems to me that several of the ISPs in Australia are fairly on the ball when it comes to IPv6. Internode is probably most advanced but a few of the others are also getting ready to trial it in the next year I believe. This may or may not have something to do with the fact that Australia is within APNIC's area of responsibility. APNIC is due to run out of IPv4s first among all the RIRs due to the rapid expansion of networked services in Asia.
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I use IPv6 from home (Internode)
My ISP (Internode - Australia) has had a long-running IPv6 dual-stack trial, and is due to take it to production later this year.
They are still working out a few quirks before declaring it production ready - for example, they do not yet have unmetered data working (for this reason, they do not publish an IPv4 address for the internode download mirror and other similar sites).
I use a Billion 7800N ADSL router. The only quirk I've found is that it doesn't publish its own link-local address as the IPv6 DNS server - it publishes my ISP's DNS servers. This means that I need to manually configure the DNSv6 settings on each of my local machines to lookup IPv4 clients on my LAN. I'm hoping this will be fixed in a future firmware update.
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Re:I already have one...
I remember the Oqo quite well, and as a geek I wanted one (or a Sharp Zarus...). However as an engineer and end user, I knew it was never practical and would be primarily an expensive toy.
Can't speak for the Oqo, but I have a Zaurus C3000, one of the clamshell models.
The whole idea of the UMPC is that it's not a tablet, it's got a keyboard. Tablets are expensive toys with questionable practical value, but I used my Zaurus to get a lot of writing done, and could tether it to my phone and ssh into servers.
It's showing its age -- they came out in 2004, IIRC. No built-in networking and the support for wifi CF cards was a little dogey. So over the past few months I've mostly switched over to an Eee, but its not nearly as convenient -- I'm thinking of picking up a Netwalker, which seems to be the closest think to an updated Zaurus.
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Re:home routers
re: How many ISPs have rolled out IPv6 to the masses?
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Re:where are the ISP's With IPV6 and routers / mod
Already out there and have been for years. They sell IPv6-capable modems too.
One of their biggest issues was dealing with a "prominent NA router vendor starting with C" where their LNSs and other hardware would fail spectacularly running certain common dual-stack configurations. It took them years to develop a stable patch for it. -
Re:What do you expect from SBC?
Well we have 'bad' ISPs here as well but there are quite a few good ones that are genuine innovators and care a lot about the quality of their network and customer service etc. Since we have such a huge selection of ISPs to choose from (for example, here are the ISPs/plans I can choose in my State). They have to differentiate themselves somehow, much more so than in the US, if they want to attract customers and survive. Some compete on price, others on network quality, customer service, bundled extras etc.
The ISP I'm on (Internode) is not the cheapest, but their network is second to none and they are more customer-focused than most. They are considered in a way a geeks' ISP in that they trial newer technologies earlier than most (first fully native IPv6 residential connections in Australia being one recent example). Previously I was with iiNet who are also top notch IMO.
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Re:What do you expect from SBC?
Well we have 'bad' ISPs here as well but there are quite a few good ones that are genuine innovators and care a lot about the quality of their network and customer service etc. Since we have such a huge selection of ISPs to choose from (for example, here are the ISPs/plans I can choose in my State). They have to differentiate themselves somehow, much more so than in the US, if they want to attract customers and survive. Some compete on price, others on network quality, customer service, bundled extras etc.
The ISP I'm on (Internode) is not the cheapest, but their network is second to none and they are more customer-focused than most. They are considered in a way a geeks' ISP in that they trial newer technologies earlier than most (first fully native IPv6 residential connections in Australia being one recent example). Previously I was with iiNet who are also top notch IMO.
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I did this over 10 years ago
http://users.on.net/~zed/gw.jpg
Yes, that is an old PC power supply box
sure it was dodgy, but it worked.
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Re:Time to look at your own desk...
I'm also on internode and use a NetComm NB6Plus4 to get my IPv6 over ADSL. The NB6Plus4 needs a firmware update that internode have on their web site. You then need to use a slightly modified PPPoE login to tell internode you want IPv6.
See http://ipv6.internode.on.net/configuration/adsl-faq-guide/
Note that home ADSL ipv6 is currently a trial and unsupported. But it works well
:).The real holdup with home equipment seems to be getting home modem/routers that support IPv6 (routing and PPPoE). I would have thought this would be fixable with firmware updates though. (Or you can stick your modem in bridge mode and use a PC with PPPoE IPv6 support - but that's unlikely to be a popular option.)
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Time to look at your own desk...
I'm running IPv6 via tunnels since 2001. I'm running native IPv6 since my ISP did their first try-out via ADSL.
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Re:Seriously?
I have a Cisco 877 at home running native IPv6, using the Advanced IP IOS image.
I installed a new 877 this week for a client, and was surprised that the Advanced Security IOS image lacks IPv6 support.
You have to pay extra for IPv6 at cisco. pathetic.
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Fast networking vs Oz copper in suburbia
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/broadband/adsl/extreme/performance/
A graph of adsl2+ bitrate as the user gets further away from the exchange.
Add in reality of crushed ducts, old copper, long loops, digital loop carriers (RIM), historical data caps with heavy per mb fines its easy to understand why a fast clean city backhaul like connection is so attractive.
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Re:Now maybe we can get some decent internet limit
Where does it clearly state that it is split between peak and off peak? The contracts don't even mention the quotas, so the only information is on the plan pages.
On http://www.internode.on.net/residential/broadband/adsl/easy_naked/plans/ I see the following text:
"Massive 'Any Time' monthly quota - measured as the total of downloads plus uploads. No 'peak' or 'off-peak' restrictions - you can use the Internet whenever you like!"That definitely sounds like there is no peak vs off-peak differentiation.
I also see: "The monthly quota allocation on Internode Easy Naked services is counted as the sum of both uploads and downloads".
That statement certainly looks like it is saying that there is only one combined quota, not separate upload and download quotas. If there were separate upload and download quotas, then that statement would qualify as deliberately misleading advertising. I'm not an Australian, but I would presume there are laws against misleading advertisements in Australia.
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Re:Now maybe we can get some decent internet limit
Bullshit! Ahem, http://www.internode.on.net/residential/broadband/adsl/easy_broadband/ 1TB per month for AU$130 a month, less if you bundle I'm currently paying $60 a month for 60GB naked ADSL2, land line on VoIP, so no monthly rental fee to Telstra for a service I don't use. The industry in
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Re:Huh?
The Zaurus line was more popular in Japan than here (in the US). I was using my Zaurus sl-5500 until I bought a Nokia N810.
Still use my Zaurus SL-C3000 as my mobile writing platform. Clamshell form factor, bigger than a cellphone so typing is easier, smaller than a netbook so it fits in your pocket -- wish somebody made something similar today.
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Re:A better PC health idea
One of my ISPs explicitly supports Linux: http://www.internode.on.net/support/faq/broadband_adsl/getting_connected/#So_you_undoubtedly_support_Windo
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Re:Data Caps
Yes and look at the new plans by Australian ISP's eg. Internode http://www.internode.on.net/residential/broadband/bundles/easy_bundle/plans/ "Massive 'Any Time' monthly quota - measured as the total of downloads plus uploads. "
That is not cheap try this , although as I have said in previous posts you still need to shop around and decide on the best plan for your needs and if the service you are after is available in your area.
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Re:Data Caps
Yes and look at the new plans by Australian ISP's eg. Internode
http://www.internode.on.net/residential/broadband/bundles/easy_bundle/plans/
"Massive 'Any Time' monthly quota - measured as the total of downloads plus uploads. " -
Re:Australian... with questions here
There's going to have to be take-up given the NBN involves ripping out all the existing copper, so there's no ADSL for it to compete against.
So if we crank that up to 100% it drops to $60. Or, y'know, have a look at the current plans: http://www.internode.on.net/residential/broadband/fibre_to_the_home/nbn_plans/
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Re:Blizzard
Just find a patch mirror an agreeable ISP like http://games.on.net/filelist.php?app=178&menu=1, not sure how up to date this is I don't WOW.
Mirroring with ISP's is the best solution to limit network costs.
I always thought distributing game servers through the ISP channel with shared income (rather than payment) from game serving for MMOG, allowing alternate sales like the ISP can provide free access to game servers as part of the internet access fee (substantially increase client numbers), would be the best model.
This avoids cross network traffic and the associated cost, reduces capital infrastructure costs for MMOG publishers, creates a distributed sales and promotion channel via numerous mid-sized or larger ISPs and provides a single billing point for the end-user (saving substantive billing costs). The game publisher just needs to be able to monitor activity on those servers at the ISP to ensure accurate payments.
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Solar specialist
Scott would have been better off to have talked to an expert. like this guy;
Whilst he is a bit of a loony (: he certainly knows his stuff when it comes to low energy homes.
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Re:Citation Needed
Not if it all just marketing blather. Best gaming experience, your ISP hosts multilayer games on high performance game servers and gives their customers priority over non customers ie. neutrality not infringed as QOS is tied to hosted games.
Lets get real, an ISP that is just prodviding a link to someone else's game servers, often another ISP, is just PR=B$ paying for something because, well, your a gullible teenage jock strap gamer who get's too much pocket money.
Want to find a gamer friendly ISP look for something like this http://games.on.net/, a whole bunch of game servers, games patches and mods, game forums and even game reviews. As a customer your game patch files et al come through at maximum network speed and, that is server priority for their customers not network priority (also doesn't affect data caps).
I am sure their are plenty of other examples where customer services are giving real priority rather than just a likely empty marketing tactic. Just to be clear, as a customer give me game server priority not network delusions.
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Re:Who cares about speed
Residential quotas for NBN-delivered service go up to 200GB, at least through my provider. This is no longer an issue for even heavy users (that are willing to pay, of course).